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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:37:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 09:39:35
That's what I managed to get a Dramiel's sig radius down to.
It goes 8983m/s in standard, 13065.1m/s in overload (MWD), 756m/s with nothing on and AB it goes 3414m/s standard, 4712m/s overload.
Now let's think.
9.99341 signature at 3414m/s. Webbed with even a 90% web (faction ship webbing) slows you down to 341m/s. Can you be hit? I mean, your signature is so ridiculously small that are you nigh invulnerable, save for smartbombs?
Even moving 341 m/s, unless you've got somebody moving at a 0 transversal full on for multiple seconds and they get incredibly lucky, you're barely EVER going to get hit. I mean this just opened my mind to new levels of stupidity.
Oh, I should probably mention this fit does approx. 152 DPS with a 60km operating range in damage (103 gun DPS) and a 50km point range (yes, I'm using special bonuses). Naturally, about 3000 EHP. And to further make lollery, it has a tracking disruptor that runs cap stable forever. Literally, forever.
Heh, I may have to try this. What do you guys think, is this feasible or just plain silly?
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swedepicker
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:47:00 -
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What is the fit, hopefully its not a stupidly overpriced gtc funded one.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:48:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 09:53:27
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 09:49:18
 Originally by: swedepicker
What is the fit, hopefully its not a stupidly overpriced gtc funded one.
[Dramiel, suuuppaafasstt]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Domination Warp Disruptor
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Javelin Rocket
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Warrior II x3
Warrior II x1
Note: It would probably be worthwhile to switch to Domination or Republic Fleet overdrives in case you are the kind of person who enjoys LOOTING targets once in a while (read: you can't fit even a single cloak into this cargohold).
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:50:00 -
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Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/12/2009 09:49:59
Hint: Jav rockets slow you down ;)
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swedepicker
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:52:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: swedepicker
What is the fit, hopefully its not a stupidly overpriced gtc funded one.
[Dramiel, suuuppaafasstt]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Domination Warp Disruptor
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Rocket Launcher II, Gremlin Javelin Rocket
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Warrior II x3
Warrior II x1
Implants as well ? or is that the standard sig? as you said get the sig DOWN to.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:53:00 -
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Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 09:54:54
Originally by: Sidus Isaacs
Edited by: Sidus Isaacs on 30/12/2009 09:49:59
Hint: Jav rockets slow you down ;)
Yeah I am aware of this, but I loaded that to look at range issues. You can swap it out for standard faction anyway. I'll fix that to reflect I was not having those rockets in mind during combat.
Originally by: swedepicker
Implants as well ? or is that the standard sig? as you said get the sig DOWN to.
There are a few tricks I'm using to reduce the signature.
Halo set
Evasive Maneuvers w/ Mindlink
Ragnarok kickin' it somewhere in system
Strong X-Instinct
Gets you a tiny signature :)
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Anddeh McNab
In Rust We Trust
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Posted - 2009.12.30 09:59:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
There are a few tricks I'm using to reduce the signature.
Halo set
Evasive Maneuvers w/ Mindlink
Ragnarok kickin' it somewhere in system
Strong X-Instinct
Gets you a tiny signature :)
With a ganglink Loki boosting too (just to be sure) EFT gives me a sig radius of 9.7
Can also throw in a Rogue AY-2 (5% agi) and Zor's Hyperlink for squeeze some more speed/agi out of it
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:00:00 -
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So, er, what exactly is your point? That a full HG Halo set, a max-skill Loki and a max-skill TITAN are good with frigates? Or that once again, you are hilariously clueless about actual PvP?
PS: quoting a 60km "operating range" for your damage is just priceless. Learn how falloff works sometime?
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
So, er, what exactly is your point? That a full HG Halo set, a max-skill Loki and a max-skill TITAN are good with frigates? Or that once again, you are hilariously clueless about actual PvP?
PS: quoting a 60km "operating range" for your damage is just priceless. Learn how falloff works sometime?
Learn how drones work sometime.
Also, Anddeh, I added your sig to the top and appreciate your help.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:09:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
So, er, what exactly is your point? That a full HG Halo set, a max-skill Loki and a max-skill TITAN are good with frigates? Or that once again, you are hilariously clueless about actual PvP?
PS: quoting a 60km "operating range" for your damage is just priceless. Learn how falloff works sometime?
Learn how drones work sometime.
I rest my case. Quoting the dps from a whole three light drones as your "operating range" = fail. But, then again, it's not like this is really a surprise when you post a tackler frigate setup that requires a ****ing TITAN to work effectively.
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FREE ABATHUR - HAVING GOOD 0.0 IDEAS IS NOT A CRIME.
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Mashie Saldana
Hooligans Of War
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:10:00 -
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Since when are titan and gang-link bonuses stacked? Only the best value will be used.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:16:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
I rest my case. Quoting the dps from a whole three light drones as your "operating range" = fail. But, then again, it's not like this is really a surprise when you post a tackler frigate setup that requires a ****ing TITAN to work effectively.
lol dude, you freak out way too much to post in these forums.
I posted in my OP that I thought this was silly, though seeing if it was feasible drew you right out of the box. You really need to calm down man, I worry you're going to have a stress headache one of these days.
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MenanceWhite
Amarr
Emi Raaf's Corporation
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Posted - 2009.12.30 10:57:00 -
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EFTers don't know 'bout my titan tank 
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Originally by: Torfi
There's alot. That can be done. With.. corpses
Originally by: Oveur
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Lego Maniac
Minmatar
Tribal Liberation Force
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Posted - 2009.12.30 11:19:00 -
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1. you're loading barrage into 200s while counting on speed to save you -> tracking fail
2. you're counting on fleeting with a titan in the system in a frigate tournament -> reality check fail
- For all battles you will be fleeted with the other combatants (After aggro if required)
- You may not recieve any help from someone not in the tournament
- You cannot fly faction or t2 frigates
perhaps it's good to read up first before building your sandcastle in EFT eh?
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swedepicker
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Posted - 2009.12.30 12:56:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
is this feasible or just plain silly?
Plain silly, or just completly ret4rded eft who4ring after seeing what you use to get the sig that low.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:05:00 -
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claw is 2 sig pionts smaller than the dramiel.
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Benco97
Gallente
Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:16:00 -
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I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Stop looking at the game in terms of "HERPA DERP, CAN'T GANK NUBS WIF THAT" and just go "Hey, that's pretty cool, a ship that's nigh-invulnerable, I'd not thought of that combination of mechanics before even if it is unrealistic"
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:29:00 -
[18]
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/12/2009 13:31:59
Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Sure we've been around a long time. I remember one of his early threads involving a Navy Comet where I had to actually work to convince him that just because faction guns are more expensive than T2 doesn't mean they are better than T2, or that spending hundreds of millions of ISK on faction damage mods for low single digit dps increases is just plain stupid. And very predictably, he lost his comedy ship to a Drake within a week. Judging by his place in EVE history as the first person to lose a T3 ship (naturally within a week of posting a thread with his terrible fit for it), he hasn't learned much from that incident.
So no, he doesn't know more about game mechanics than everyone else, he just buys a ton of GTCs and throws lots of money at terrible ships and setups. Everyone with a little understanding of the game and access to EFT knows that you can get a tiny sig radius on a frigate by stacking gang mods, implants and titan bonuses, Siigari is just the only one who can't figure out that it's just unrealistic EFT abuse without posting a thread about it.
Of course you win some troll points for actually suggesting that Siigari knows more than anyone about game mechanics in a thread where he posted a setup involving six speed bonus modules. Or maybe he knows something about the stacking penalty that the rest of us mere mortals can't even begin to comprehend?
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Stop looking at the game in terms of "HERPA DERP, CAN'T GANK NUBS WIF THAT" and just go "Hey, that's pretty cool, a ship that's nigh-invulnerable, I'd not thought of that combination of mechanics before even if it is unrealistic"
actually its pretty realistic without the titan of course. Low signature high speed/high resists fits are feasible its just that the forum warriors cant see it in eft
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swedepicker
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:33:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I love sii... random babble
Confirming that using titans and full pirate sets is a very good mechanic to boost frigs.
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Keiko Shizuka
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:44:00 -
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Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Of course you win some troll points for actually suggesting that Siigari knows more than anyone about game mechanics in a thread where he posted a setup involving six speed bonus modules. Or maybe he knows something about the stacking penalty that the rest of us mere mortals can't even begin to comprehend?
I think you worry too much. Siigari is contributes to the forum if nothing else by posting crazy ideas no one else would. Maybe you should just try to look the other way if it angers you so.
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Benco97
Gallente
Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2009.12.30 13:47:00 -
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Originally by: swedepicker
Originally by: Benco97
I love sii... random babble
Confirming that using titans and full pirate sets is a very good mechanic to boost frigs.
Yeah, I love Siigari so much
Originally by: Keiko ****uka
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Of course you win some troll points for actually suggesting that Siigari knows more than anyone about game mechanics in a thread where he posted a setup involving six speed bonus modules. Or maybe he knows something about the stacking penalty that the rest of us mere mortals can't even begin to comprehend?
I think you worry too much. Siigari is contributes to the forum if nothing else by posting crazy ideas no one else would. Maybe you should just try to look the other way if it angers you so.
This is what I was trying to say, I apologise for the particularly hamfisted way I attempted to do it.
Also, if you could just eve-mail those troll-points to this character, that'd be great. Thanks.
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.12.30 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: Keiko ****uka
Maybe you should just try to look the other way if it angers you so.
You're clearly new to the internet. If something really sucks, then people will point it out, especially if the guy who created it thinks its awesome. Both of these points are INCREDIBLY relevant to anything Siig posts. They always suck, and yet he thinks they are awesome.
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Keiko Shizuka
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:07:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov
Originally by: Keiko ****uka
Maybe you should just try to look the other way if it angers you so.
You're clearly new to the internet. If something really sucks, then people will point it out, especially if the guy who created it thinks its awesome. Both of these points are INCREDIBLY relevant to anything Siig posts. They always suck, and yet he thinks they are awesome.
I'm an oldtimer actually. ;( I think the fact that he posts them even though some people cry and moan is totally awesome and I hope he never stops. There's too much pessimism and negativity going around, EVE needs people like Siigari or things would get stale and dull fast.
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Dr Fighter
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:11:00 -
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seesh, if you dont like a specific posters posts, dont click on the thread, its really that easy. And to log in just to troll him only makes you look like a internet douche bag.
9meter sig is tiny and i expect it would be very hard to land any SIGnificant damage on wihtout painting it up and webbing it down.
If your lucky enough to have a freind wiht a titan willing to follow you around to provide some sick bonuses, more power to you!
for me, if i had halos and sig drugs id be flying an armor tanked navy stabber, but thats just me ;)
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Mathias814
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Posted - 2009.12.30 16:21:00 -
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Why do people get so excited about jumping on someone elses ideas? It is a far fethched situation that he is proposing with the tian and that, but i think its interesting what COULD be done however unlikely it is. If anything else its just somthing to laugh at
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Proxyyyy
Caldari
The Tuskers
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Posted - 2009.12.30 17:18:00 -
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Edited by: Proxyyyy on 30/12/2009 17:19:17
I think most on these forums tend to be to serious! Siig is a funny guy that many of you may think is "crazy" but he is realy good at pvp. Since theyre are many who talk about doing stuff on the eve o forums (auctualy in reality never do). Its nice to have someone like (siig), thinking outside of the box, bringing kool setups and leading very successful gangs with pimped ships while having great fun!
Plus I just wanna blow his ships up!
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Pr1ncess Alia
Caldari
Perkone
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Posted - 2009.12.30 17:47:00 -
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what LOL AND YOU NEED A TITAN WITH A LOKI FBLBLAAAHH!!!! ur ******ed how terrible you are at this game and you don't even have a clue what you are talking about no PRACTICALITY and your WASTING THE FORUMS with this crap what the hell could you possibly be thinking. I swear to god you should DIAF (ingame) and you will with that TERRIBLE "OPERATING RANGE" and I know your an idiot and i've told you before your an idiot KBLAAHH!FLBLIREKLG:FHB!!! HOW DARE YOU??? This is LOL and you are pathetic.
Me? I'm here to help everyone and point out this crap as crap and thank god someone like me is around to keep these forums clean.
Ok, quick. Who am I pretending to be?
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:42:00 -
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The Titan may be unrealistic, but the max skilled mindlinked Loki isn't. Thanks for the idea Siig - I picked up some Halo implants not so long ago. 
-Liang
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Lexa Hellfury
Incura
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2009.12.30 18:44:00 -
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/me cringes.
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Katarlia Simov
Minmatar
Cowboys From Hell
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Posted - 2009.12.31 03:52:00 -
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Originally by: Proxyyyy
Edited by: Proxyyyy on 30/12/2009 17:19:17
I think most on these forums tend to be to serious! Siig is a funny guy that many of you may think is "crazy" but he is realy good at pvp. Since theyre are many who talk about doing stuff on the eve o forums (auctualy in reality never do). Its nice to have someone like (siig), thinking outside of the box, bringing kool setups and leading very successful gangs with pimped ships while having great fun!
Plus I just wanna blow his ships up!
Well then by all means, go and do so. Its not like its hard...
There doesn't seem to be a day without a couple of Siig threads on the top page, but don't confuse that for actual ability. Most people don't need to ask to know that spending 500mil on a t1 frig is pointless. Nuff said ...
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Wingardium Leviosa
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Posted - 2009.12.31 05:47:00 -
[32]
This is why EFT is bad kids.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.12.31 05:50:00 -
[33]
Edited by: Artemis Rose on 31/12/2009 05:50:25
1. Neuts
2. Web
3. Light Drones
 at your support gang. Sucks you would need a Titan and a Loki to get murdered by a small neut Arbirator/Vexor.
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.31 05:57:00 -
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While it is comical, it is also pretty cool.
@Artemis: Wouldn't he be too fast for drones and out of range of neuts and webs?
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:13:00 -
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Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
While it is comical, it is also pretty cool.
@Artemis: Wouldn't he be too fast for drones and out of range of neuts and webs?
He won't get any use of his highslots past those ranges. Without his Warriors, he'd barely push 30-40 DPS at safe ranges.
Hell, If he gets a Loki + Titan in his gang.. the other pilot should too. With HG Snakes, I bet you could whip a Cruor that would chase it down, neut it and destroy it.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:16:00 -
[36]
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 31/12/2009 06:21:53
Originally by: Artemis Rose
Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
While it is comical, it is also pretty cool.
@Artemis: Wouldn't he be too fast for drones and out of range of neuts and webs?
He won't get any use of his highslots past those ranges. Without his Warriors, he'd barely push 30-40 DPS at safe ranges.
Hell, If he gets a Loki + Titan in his gang.. the other pilot should too. With HG Snakes, I bet you could whip a Cruor that would chase it down, neut it and destroy it.
Actually Artemis, Blood Raider ships are the absolute slowest pirate ships in the game. Back when I started working a Cruor fit, I found HG snakes to be ineffective, because the ship can't do too well with speed. I think snakes put it around 6km/s MAXIMUM.
edit: just did some checking. Maximum speed for both Dread Guristas and Blood Raiders checks in at around 7km/s overloaded with snakes + hyper. Dread Guristas are actually slower, but Dread Guristas do not sacrifice tank for speed.
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2009.12.31 06:18:00 -
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you have to admit, it is kind of interesting.
Just imagine those most hated stealth bombers running around with a signature of 10, moving at 1100m/s and being nearly impossible to land a hit on.
Practical? No.
Interesting? Yes.
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Aeon Storm
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2009.12.31 07:14:00 -
[38]
Frankly the ship is not unreasonable.
Living in WH space, we tailor ships to the different system environments. As we are in a Wolf Rayet, we specialize in making unscannable, not easily hit ships. The sig reduction in a C6 Wolf Rayet is 50%. Put a command ship in the system, and I can safe spot a Hulk, and you're not going to find it.
Put that Dramiel in a C4 Wolf, without all the boosters, Halo, etc... and its still unscannable and very difficult to kill. Anything that can do 100+ dps that I can't find or kill has value, in the right environment.
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Jaxxon Voers
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:46:00 -
[39]
I for one hope you keep coming up with this stuff.
I had a hard day, and needed the laugh.
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Artemis Rose
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2009.12.31 08:53:00 -
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Edited by: Artemis Rose on 31/12/2009 08:54:05
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Actually Artemis, Blood Raider ships are the absolute slowest pirate ships in the game. Back when I started working a Cruor fit, I found HG snakes to be ineffective, because the ship can't do too well with speed. I think snakes put it around 6km/s MAXIMUM.
edit: just did some checking. Maximum speed for both Dread Guristas and Blood Raiders checks in at around 7km/s overloaded with snakes + hyper. Dread Guristas are actually slower, but Dread Guristas do not sacrifice tank for speed.
You couldn't kill it. The Cruor's webbing bonus would take of your drones, and in order to remotely do anything to it, you'd have to get in neut/web range.
From outside of overheated faction web range, you'd be doing less than 25 DPS the farther you get out. Good luck on that one.
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The Hanz
Caldari
Mindstar Technology
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Posted - 2009.12.31 09:42:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/12/2009 13:31:59
Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Sure we've been around a long time. I remember one of his early threads involving a Navy Comet where I had to actually work to convince him that just because faction guns are more expensive than T2 doesn't mean they are better than T2, or that spending hundreds of millions of ISK on faction damage mods for low single digit dps increases is just plain stupid. And very predictably, he lost his comedy ship to a Drake within a week. Judging by his place in EVE history as the first person to lose a T3 ship (naturally within a week of posting a thread with his terrible fit for it), he hasn't learned much from that incident.
So no, he doesn't know more about game mechanics than everyone else, he just buys a ton of GTCs and throws lots of money at terrible ships and setups. Everyone with a little understanding of the game and access to EFT knows that you can get a tiny sig radius on a frigate by stacking gang mods, implants and titan bonuses, Siigari is just the only one who can't figure out that it's just unrealistic EFT abuse without posting a thread about it.
Of course you win some troll points for actually suggesting that Siigari knows more than anyone about game mechanics in a thread where he posted a setup involving six speed bonus modules. Or maybe he knows something about the stacking penalty that the rest of us mere mortals can't even begin to comprehend?
This. I now have much respect for you Merin Ryskin.
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Gypsio III
Dirty Filthy Perverts
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Posted - 2009.12.31 11:40:00 -
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Siigari's mistake is basically to market these threads as "serious ideas" rather than "lol look what I did in EFT".
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Benco97
Gallente
Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2009.12.31 12:15:00 -
[43]
Originally by: The Hanz
I now have much respect for you Merin Ryskin.
You have "Much respect" for someone because they hate to see anyone having fun? If Siig enjoys coming up with fits that are crazy and sharing them with us then what is the problem? It's not like it's affected anyone in any way (other than apparently putting Merin's panties in a twist)
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Solovej
Amarr
Viziam
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Posted - 2009.12.31 14:03:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Benco97
Originally by: The Hanz
I now have much respect for you Merin Ryskin.
You have "Much respect" for someone because they hate to see anyone having fun? If Siig enjoys coming up with fits that are crazy and sharing them with us then what is the problem? It's not like it's affected anyone in any way (other than apparently putting Merin's panties in a twist)
Dude sure there is some comedy value in Siig's posts and its Xmas and whatnot but you were actually suggesting he has uberknowledge and that was even funnier than his OP.
Essentially Siig is playing with him/herself and at the same time trolling noobs and semi noobs like you into thinking these can be uber ideas for TQ pvp...
Why Merun gets so worked up on behalf of you troll victims I dont know tbh... I an much with Liang (as often) in finding some originality value in the ideas ... Siig is obviously creative but its also obvious to mopst of us he must suck big time at TQ pvp...
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Citizen 121
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Posted - 2009.12.31 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Gypsio III
Siigari's mistake is basically to market these threads as "serious ideas" rather than "lol look what I did in EFT".
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chrisss0r
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Posted - 2009.12.31 14:32:00 -
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eft awesomeness gives me a stabber fleet issue with 34,5m sig radius, 3,82 km/s 526 dps
and all you need is a titan and a claymore
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Laura Baretta
Minmatar
The Executives
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2009.12.31 15:33:00 -
[47]
People have been flying frigs with AB speedtank forever, and some even use unprobable T3 command modules with them that just work as a bubble immune, cloaked and unprobeable scout.
As with everything in EvE, you can pimp it to the extreme and waste insane amounts of isk to get just that tiny little bit better. The question is, is it worth it to you?
And that, my friends, is the question that everyone has to answer to themself.
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Aunt Red
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Posted - 2009.12.31 19:39:00 -
[48]
Originally by: chrisss0r
and all you need is a titan and a claymore
Are you saying you don't have a Titan and a Claymore in gang when you PVP?
Nooooooooooooob!
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.31 20:59:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 18:09:38
Originally by: swedepicker
What is the fit, hopefully its not a stupidly overpriced gtc funded one.
[Dramiel, suuuppaafasstt]
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
1MN MicroWarpdrive II
Gistii A-Type 1MN Afterburner
Domination Warp Disruptor
'Investor' Tracking Disruptor I
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
200mm AutoCannon II, Barrage S
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Gremlin Rocket
Small Auxiliary Thrusters II
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Small Auxiliary Thrusters I
Warrior II x3
Warrior II x1
Note: It would probably be worthwhile to switch to Domination or Republic Fleet overdrives in case you are the kind of person who enjoys LOOTING targets once in a while (read: you can't fit even a single cloak into this cargohold).
lol and what do you align at? Love eft
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2009.12.31 21:43:00 -
[50]
Originally by: The Hanz
Originally by: Merin Ryskin
Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 30/12/2009 13:31:59
Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Sure we've been around a long time. I remember one of his early threads involving a Navy Comet where I had to actually work to convince him that just because faction guns are more expensive than T2 doesn't mean they are better than T2, or that spending hundreds of millions of ISK on faction damage mods for low single digit dps increases is just plain stupid. And very predictably, he lost his comedy ship to a Drake within a week. Judging by his place in EVE history as the first person to lose a T3 ship (naturally within a week of posting a thread with his terrible fit for it), he hasn't learned much from that incident.
So no, he doesn't know more about game mechanics than everyone else, he just buys a ton of GTCs and throws lots of money at terrible ships and setups. Everyone with a little understanding of the game and access to EFT knows that you can get a tiny sig radius on a frigate by stacking gang mods, implants and titan bonuses, Siigari is just the only one who can't figure out that it's just unrealistic EFT abuse without posting a thread about it.
Of course you win some troll points for actually suggesting that Siigari knows more than anyone about game mechanics in a thread where he posted a setup involving six speed bonus modules. Or maybe he knows something about the stacking penalty that the rest of us mere mortals can't even begin to comprehend?
This. I now have much respect for you Merin Ryskin.
I don't agree with Merin on a lot. But this, is perfect.
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Admiral Yamamoto
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Posted - 2010.01.01 01:54:00 -
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No one has posted anything with the tracking formula yet... Hopefully info to come :)
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Securitas Protector
Task Force Zener
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.01 03:37:00 -
[52]
I never knew you could get it that small.
Siig brightens up my day, so I'm all for this thread. 
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.01.01 04:26:00 -
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Originally by: Admiral Yamamoto
Anyone wants to have a go at it to see what you'd need to do to be unhittable by frigate guns?
You can always hit something that has an angular velocity of 0, no matter how small the target and how cumbersome the guns are. The best you can hope for is that, if you reduce sig radius to zero, the formula will spit out the same divide-by-zero error that we used to get at zero range, which would just bug the whole thing out and make you miss.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.01.01 04:55:00 -
[54]
Happy New Year everybody.
You know, reading through some of the replies here I realize that I managed to turn a thread about something kinda cool I found into something that is nearly full of flames and it splits the thread down the line between two things: The actual thread content or people's like or dislike of me.
Regardless of the volume of my posts, the fact is if I posted this thread with some nameless face it would not get people posting "omg siigari lol" and would probably get less actual responses, but more responses actually regarding the post at hand. It bothers me that in order to read this thread I have to filter through personal attacks and other "side-taking" activities, rather than the meat of the matter which is a super small very fast frigate idea.
I don't understand you people. I'm just having fun discovering new things in Eve. As to my actual Eve experience, I believe I am a seasoned pilot with good knowledge in most areas of the game, mostly due to having dipped my head in just about every activity there is to do in Eve. I learn a lot about what I can do and then usually will obsess over something for a while (by obsess I mean I'll find something I think is really cool then be really into it for a while) then as I find something else neat I'll learn everything I can about that.
It helps me become more rounded as a pilot and Eve community contributor. I don't reply to EVERY THREAD out there, but when I feel I have some important information to contribute, I will chime in.
I dislike the fact that people feel that just because I post expensive fits they think I have no PVP capability. I take risks. I kill ships. I lose ships. I have fun. I don't make myself out to be the best Eve player ever; I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would lick me but in general I know that the experience I have gives me the ability to PVP well, both solo or in a group. People saying that I am a horrible PVPer may have never actually fought me.
It's interesting. One example of this would probably be Proxyyy, who a month ago was slandering my fits in the forums much akin to what Merin does, but then we actually encountered each other in Eve. I don't remember the actual engagement but we had a lot of fun and now we wave at each other in local when we see each other. I mean, a lot of people here make broad generalizations without having any foundation to base their judgement in. Be that the human condition, please keep it to experience here otherwise you are being plain mean and disrespectful of members of the community. This doesn't just go for me either. Every day I see a handful of people who just get beaten verbally into the ground for no reason at all and that hurts me to see that going on. When I come to these forums I wish to see a respectful community and instead I find a community full of childish remarks, comments and statements lashed out upon members for no reason. That is just distatesful and irresponsible.
If you want to be "bigger" than me, instead of using words like idiot, stupid and moron, try using words like unwise, uninformed and silly.
There's no reason to be mean to people just to feed your need to be right, ever.
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Merin Ryskin
Peregrine Industries
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Posted - 2010.01.01 11:27:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Regardless of the volume of my posts, the fact is if I posted this thread with some nameless face it would not get people posting "omg siigari lol" and would probably get less actual responses, but more responses actually regarding the post at hand. It bothers me that in order to read this thread I have to filter through personal attacks and other "side-taking" activities, rather than the meat of the matter which is a super small very fast frigate idea.
No, we'd still call the alt a moron for posting a tackler frigate setup involving gang bonuses from a TITAN, we just wouldn't have the extra bonus of knowing it was posted by one of the worst players in the game.
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I don't understand you people. I'm just having fun discovering new things in Eve. As to my actual Eve experience, I believe I am a seasoned pilot with good knowledge in most areas of the game, mostly due to having dipped my head in just about every activity there is to do in Eve. I learn a lot about what I can do and then usually will obsess over something for a while (by obsess I mean I'll find something I think is really cool then be really into it for a while) then as I find something else neat I'll learn everything I can about that.
You? Good knowledge of the game? Do I need to dig up the thread where you hilariously attempted to "explain" how tracking works and how you suffer a damage reduction even at zero transversal?
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I dislike the fact that people feel that just because I post expensive fits they think I have no PVP capability. I take risks. I kill ships. I lose ships. I have fun. I don't make myself out to be the best Eve player ever; I am sure there are plenty of people out there who would lick me but in general I know that the experience I have gives me the ability to PVP well, both solo or in a group. People saying that I am a horrible PVPer may have never actually fought me.
It's not the fact that you post expensive fits that makes you bad at PvP. Other people post even more expensive fits with no problem, you just:
1) Post either really bad setups (such as this one) or maybe at best a basic cookie-cutter setup with all the T2 modules replaced with faction/officer stuff. Since the setup is exactly the same as the T2 setups, we can conclude that the main reason for posting it is to brag about how much ISK you have.
2) Die embarrassingly in your expensive ships. I mean, not only did you manage to get the first T3 loss in EVE, you managed to get the SECOND one as well. While other people post impressive videos of them soloing entire fleets in their expensive ships, you just manage to end up on someone's killboard by losing your billion ISK comedy ship to a BattleBadger.
3) Fund it all with GTCs. That's the really hilarious part, your entire "skill" consists of getting out your credit card and buying a bunch of faction modules.
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Siigari Kitawa
Gallente
The Aduro Protocol
HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.01.01 19:26:00 -
[56]
Since you love pulling up old experiences and fixating on them, tell me how the alleged worst player in Eve has a higher rank than you.
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.01 20:34:00 -
[57]
good question.
You've lost almost as many ships as he's killed.
You have a 2:1 kill/death ratio vs his 8:1 and you've incurred 44 bil worth of losses to his 4 bil. You have done 84 bil in damages, to his 33 bil, but your isk per kill is roughly the same.
I am assuming the battleclinic board just cares about how many people were in on the kill and not about anything else.
I'm ranked worse than Merin and I have +1700 kills with only 26 losses, a 64:1 kill/death ratio and have only incurred 2.2 bil in losses and done 143 bil in damages. But most of my kills are in fleet and not solo. Plus I kill lots of pods in my Inty and Bomber which dont count for crap.
I'd say the killboard ranking means very little in determining a pilots success given I have more kills than both of you combined and done more isk damage than both of you combined, with only 26 career losses to your 429 and his 61.
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.01.01 20:36:00 -
[58]
While I have no intention of getting into this, I will point out that BC stats are highly irrelevant. Some do not post their kills (me included) and some have alts.
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James Tritanius
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Posted - 2010.01.01 20:53:00 -
[59]
Edited by: James Tritanius on 01/01/2010 20:53:33
Edited by: James Tritanius on 01/01/2010 20:53:02
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Since you love pulling up old experiences and fixating on them, tell me how the alleged worst player in Eve has a higher rank than you.
Posting to confirm that BC stats mean everything in a debate.
EDIT: somehow links got screwed up.
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Marcus Druallis
Quantum Industries
Prime Orbital Systems
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Posted - 2010.01.01 21:01:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Since you love pulling up old experiences and fixating on them, tell me how the alleged worst player in Eve has a higher rank than you.
Not to be a ****, but you really put all of your kills in **** like battleclinic and greifwatch?
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Drazin DawnTreader
Cutthroat Mercenary Corp
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Posted - 2010.01.01 21:06:00 -
[61]
Originally by: Marcus Druallis
Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Since you love pulling up old experiences and fixating on them, tell me how the alleged worst player in Eve has a higher rank than you.
Not to be a ****, but you really put all of your kills in **** like battleclinic and greifwatch?
To be fair, I have never personally put a kill or loss of mine in BC... I think my stuff showed up there after an alliance killboard import or something.
Maybe the same for many people.
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Liang Nuren
The Lollypop Factory
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Posted - 2010.01.01 21:17:00 -
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Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
To be fair, I have never personally put a kill or loss of mine in BC... I think my stuff showed up there after an alliance killboard import or something.
Maybe the same for many people.
I've noticed that most small corp action does not appear on the BC Killboard.
-Liang
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fmercury
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.01 22:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Stop looking at the game in terms of "HERPA DERP, CAN'T GANK NUBS WIF THAT" and just go "Hey, that's pretty cool, a ship that's nigh-invulnerable, I'd not thought of that combination of mechanics before even if it is unrealistic"
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
hahahahahahahaha
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fmercury
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.01.01 22:07:00 -
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Originally by: Drazin DawnTreader
good question.
You've lost almost as many ships as he's killed.
You have a 2:1 kill/death ratio vs his 8:1 and you've incurred 44 bil worth of losses to his 4 bil. You have done 84 bil in damages, to his 33 bil, but your isk per kill is roughly the same.
I am assuming the battleclinic board just cares about how many people were in on the kill and not about anything else.
I'm ranked worse than Merin and I have +1700 kills with only 26 losses, a 64:1 kill/death ratio and have only incurred 2.2 bil in losses and done 143 bil in damages. But most of my kills are in fleet and not solo. Plus I kill lots of pods in my Inty and Bomber which dont count for crap.
I'd say the killboard ranking means very little in determining a pilots success given I have more kills than both of you combined and done more isk damage than both of you combined, with only 26 career losses to your 429 and his 61.
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Your BC stats suck beacuse you fly in blobs. BC favors small gang and solo, favors killing small ships with big ships, favors killing t1 ships with t2 ships, etc. because those things are harder to do, they take skill. Ranking is a crude way of measuring skill, not "success", which is imo, much harder to define.
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Mynxee
Hellcats
HellFleet
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Posted - 2010.01.01 22:21:00 -
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So what if Siig wants to post about ridiculously expensive, outside-the-box ideas? He's having fun considering the possibilities of items in the game that many of us don't even think about since we would/could never afford them. Besides, crazy theory-crafting can be a useful exercise. Adapting such fits/configs to more "reasonable" standards of cost or other criteria just might suggest something creatively different enough to give you an edge over all the cookie cutter stuff that's out there. Especially for people like me who don't make a second career of EFT'ing.
As for how he funds his expensive fits, who cares? That's his business. I'll betcha people scooping the loot from his wrecks don't care either.
I enjoy flying with him and find his upbeat enthusiasm and crazy ideas a refreshing alternative to more serious internet spaceships business mindsets. Because after all...it really is just a game. I did have to make a special setting on Vent for him, though. The boy gets a bit loud in the heat of battle. *grins*
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Lubomir Penev
Dark Nexxus
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Posted - 2010.01.02 10:00:00 -
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Originally by: Benco97
I can only assume that all the people hating on Siig haven't been around very long, Siig knows more about the mechanics of this bloody game than all of us put together and it's INTERESTING to see what can be done!
Stop looking at the game in terms of "HERPA DERP, CAN'T GANK NUBS WIF THAT" and just go "Hey, that's pretty cool, a ship that's nigh-invulnerable, I'd not thought of that combination of mechanics before even if it is unrealistic"
http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1113636
As of a six months ago, Siigari had no freaking idea how one of the most fundamental game mechanic, tracking, worked. If that's in depth knowledge hey...
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Benco97
Gallente
Shadow Veil Industrial
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Posted - 2010.01.02 12:19:00 -
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You know, I've looked at the links provided to show evidence of the OP's problems and I'm noticing something quite disturbing, I'm sure this isn't the Siig I remember..
In this new light I apologise profusely for seeming so heavy-handed in my defence of the character and post but I thought it was someone I knew, apparently it is not.
I'm quite saddened now.
Still, didn't I look like an idiot
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Originally by: P'uck
You're a DUMBASS - bold italic underline at the VERY LEAST.
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Cattegirn
Rampant SR
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Posted - 2010.01.02 12:22:00 -
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Regardless of the impracticality, I thought this was a fun read. Thanks for it.
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Megan Maynard
Minmatar
Clown Punchers.
Clown Punchers Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.01.03 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Siigari Kitawa
Edited by: Siigari Kitawa on 30/12/2009 10:03:06
*Helped out by Anddeh McNab for the additional .3 sig*
That's what I managed to get a Dramiel's sig radius down to.
It goes 8983m/s in standard, 13065.1m/s in overload (MWD), 756m/s with nothing on and AB it goes 3414m/s standard, 4712m/s overload.
Now let's think.
9.69007 signature at 3414m/s. Webbed with even a 90% web (faction ship webbing) slows you down to 341m/s. Can you be hit? I mean, your signature is so ridiculously small that are you nigh invulnerable, save for smartbombs?
Even moving 341 m/s, unless you've got somebody moving at a 0 transversal full on for multiple seconds and they get incredibly lucky, you're barely EVER going to get hit. I mean this just opened my mind to new levels of stupidity.
Oh, I should probably mention this fit does approx. 152 DPS with a 60km operating range in damage (103 gun DPS) and a 50km point range (yes, I'm using special bonuses). Naturally, about 3000 EHP. And to further make lollery, it has a tracking disruptor that runs cap stable forever. Literally, forever.
Heh, I may have to try this. What do you guys think, is this feasible or just plain silly?
Hi my name is siigari and I don't know what stacking penalties are.
Originally by: F'nog
Originally by: Stareatthesun
No no no ... Polaris is where CCP keeps the death star that will destroy eve when the servers shut down.
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