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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:30:00 -
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Hey guys, I was wondering if an Apoc running 2 large armor repairers(say 690-720 versions) with 2 kinetic and 1 thermic hardener would be able to tank the damage being dealt by Gurista officer spawns? Outfitted with cap relays, cap chargers and cap injectors if necessary, offense is secondary.
Would appreciate any advise as about how to go about it. Thanks. 
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:30:00 -
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Hey guys, I was wondering if an Apoc running 2 large armor repairers(say 690-720 versions) with 2 kinetic and 1 thermic hardener would be able to tank the damage being dealt by Gurista officer spawns? Outfitted with cap relays, cap chargers and cap injectors if necessary, offense is secondary.
Would appreciate any advise as about how to go about it. Thanks.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:33:00 -
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Members of my corp will testify that in the case of Estamel. No.
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Iratus Caelestis
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:33:00 -
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Members of my corp will testify that in the case of Estamel. No.
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:37:00 -
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Ouch.
What about 2 larges and 1 medium tech 2? 
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:37:00 -
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Ouch.
What about 2 larges and 1 medium tech 2?
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:42:00 -
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You will die with a lot of cap left. If you could run 3 large armor rep (720 or better) and have at least 80% res on kinetic and thermal (you can have a bit less on thermal) then and only then you may will be able to tank the damage. But I really doubt it. The damage there spawn can dish out is tremendous. In an Apoc you can tank 1 Bs / large rep (720 ones) if you have 2 thermal 1 kinetic hardener. (If you facing hybrid rats). ThatÆs the ônormö with ôsafeö tanking.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:42:00 -
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You will die with a lot of cap left. If you could run 3 large armor rep (720 or better) and have at least 80% res on kinetic and thermal (you can have a bit less on thermal) then and only then you may will be able to tank the damage. But I really doubt it. The damage there spawn can dish out is tremendous. In an Apoc you can tank 1 Bs / large rep (720 ones) if you have 2 thermal 1 kinetic hardener. (If you facing hybrid rats). ThatÆs the ônormö with ôsafeö tanking.
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:44:00 -
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I tanked dual 1 million BS spawn in a dominix outfitted with 6 electrons and only 1 large armor repairer(660 version) pretty easily; only issue was cap, which lasted quite a long time even with webber/guns and the occasional MWD burst all on.
So I thought an apoc with a better cap and more reps would do much better in this aspect. Hmmmmmm
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:44:00 -
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I tanked dual 1 million BS spawn in a dominix outfitted with 6 electrons and only 1 large armor repairer(660 version) pretty easily; only issue was cap, which lasted quite a long time even with webber/guns and the occasional MWD burst all on.
So I thought an apoc with a better cap and more reps would do much better in this aspect. Hmmmmmm
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:46:00 -
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Maybe 3 named large armor reps with 3 hardeners(2 kinetic and 1 thermic)? And 2 cap relays? Or switch out one relay for a medium tech 2 just in case? And have a cap injector on hand for tight situations...or maybe even 2 cap injectors. I dunno lol just speculating here. ANybody else got ideas? 
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:46:00 -
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Maybe 3 named large armor reps with 3 hardeners(2 kinetic and 1 thermic)? And 2 cap relays? Or switch out one relay for a medium tech 2 just in case? And have a cap injector on hand for tight situations...or maybe even 2 cap injectors. I dunno lol just speculating here. ANybody else got ideas?
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:59:00 -
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The problem here is not cap. ItÆs that the BS (Gruistan Officer) is pounding you like H and the 2 other BS they usually have with them. Then you donÆt have to forget that in many cases the small rats is the biggest worry.
So the sum is that your armor rep have a long cycle so even if you can calculate when to put them on (every 4 sec with 3) they will keep pounding you do peaces. And with 3 large armor reps you donÆt have that much power left to put guns to kill the spawn.
And you cap will dry out with 3 reps going on and hardners and guns.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 13:59:00 -
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The problem here is not cap. ItÆs that the BS (Gruistan Officer) is pounding you like H and the 2 other BS they usually have with them. Then you donÆt have to forget that in many cases the small rats is the biggest worry.
So the sum is that your armor rep have a long cycle so even if you can calculate when to put them on (every 4 sec with 3) they will keep pounding you do peaces. And with 3 large armor reps you donÆt have that much power left to put guns to kill the spawn.
And you cap will dry out with 3 reps going on and hardners and guns.
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:05:00 -
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 Originally by: Zensunni DX
Maybe 3 named large armor reps with 3 hardeners(2 kinetic and 1 thermic)? And 2 cap relays? Or switch out one relay for a medium tech 2 just in case? And have a cap injector on hand for tight situations...or maybe even 2 cap injectors. I dunno lol just speculating here. ANybody else got ideas?
The only way I see to tank such a spawn would be to have 3-4 buddies in support cruisers repairing you, while you'd use 5-6 hardeners.
You have to understand that these officers spawns as a whole deal roughly the equivalent firepower of 5 to 8 battleships. IF (and that's a big IF) a assault version of Battelships come out one day, it MIGHT be possible to solo a spawn officer. For the moment don't even think about it 
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Shadowsword
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:05:00 -
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Originally by: Zensunni DX
Maybe 3 named large armor reps with 3 hardeners(2 kinetic and 1 thermic)? And 2 cap relays? Or switch out one relay for a medium tech 2 just in case? And have a cap injector on hand for tight situations...or maybe even 2 cap injectors. I dunno lol just speculating here. ANybody else got ideas?
The only way I see to tank such a spawn would be to have 3-4 buddies in support cruisers repairing you, while you'd use 5-6 hardeners.
You have to understand that these officers spawns as a whole deal roughly the equivalent firepower of 5 to 8 battleships. IF (and that's a big IF) a assault version of Battelships come out one day, it MIGHT be possible to solo a spawn officer. For the moment don't even think about it
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Simen Looswe
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:13:00 -
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3 large reps can be run forever on an apoc with nothing else fitted in mid and lowslots but t2 cap rechargers and caprelays. You will have no slots for resistance gear then. If you use a cap injector to sustain your cap running 3 large reps, you will run out of 800 charges in about 2-3 minutes.
If the officers really do so much dmg you will have to keep warping in and out or use support ship tactics.
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Simen Looswe
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:13:00 -
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3 large reps can be run forever on an apoc with nothing else fitted in mid and lowslots but t2 cap rechargers and caprelays. You will have no slots for resistance gear then. If you use a cap injector to sustain your cap running 3 large reps, you will run out of 800 charges in about 2-3 minutes.
If the officers really do so much dmg you will have to keep warping in and out or use support ship tactics.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:15:00 -
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You may kill it by using torpedos/cruis missiles and you always stay 100k from them. But you will have to pick of the small ones first and then the BS. But than again youÆre not in an Apoc. You need a raven with loads of missiles and really good rof missile launchers.
I have been 1 of 3 who took on one of those spawn. And 2 of us had to warp out and in to manage to repair armor. And that with 2 named armor rep and 80% resistance on kinetic and thermal.
So if you have a death wish, go ahead and try one out. But remember; keep a spear BS in hangar.
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ByBy Baby
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:15:00 -
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You may kill it by using torpedos/cruis missiles and you always stay 100k from them. But you will have to pick of the small ones first and then the BS. But than again youÆre not in an Apoc. You need a raven with loads of missiles and really good rof missile launchers.
I have been 1 of 3 who took on one of those spawn. And 2 of us had to warp out and in to manage to repair armor. And that with 2 named armor rep and 80% resistance on kinetic and thermal.
So if you have a death wish, go ahead and try one out. But remember; keep a spear BS in hangar.
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:35:00 -
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The main idea was I would be in either a Raven or Mega outfitted with damage mods, and my buddy would be in his trusty little apoc tanking the damage down like the tough cookie he is.
No way I'm going to try soloing an officer spawn anymore, been there and done that and I was in my pod faster before I could blink 
But it seems there's no way to tank an apoc against those spawns huh :(
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Zensunni DX
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:35:00 -
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The main idea was I would be in either a Raven or Mega outfitted with damage mods, and my buddy would be in his trusty little apoc tanking the damage down like the tough cookie he is.
No way I'm going to try soloing an officer spawn anymore, been there and done that and I was in my pod faster before I could blink
But it seems there's no way to tank an apoc against those spawns huh :(
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:37:00 -
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you can tank officer alone.. problem is that there are other battleships present too. I would adivse you fit heat sink II instead of one cap relay and kill other guys fast first. That officer has optimal range of 50km.. so you won't get that much damage if you warp at 15km. It might be advisable you fit 6x mega pulse with multi and 2x siege launcher with juggernaut torps. (guristas - especially officers are most vulnerable to kinetic damage)
With such setup and close range you can kill guristas conquistador in about 15-20 seconds. Webifier is advisable too.. so they don't run out of range;)
Just strategize and warp out after each kill...
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hatchette
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:37:00 -
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you can tank officer alone.. problem is that there are other battleships present too. I would adivse you fit heat sink II instead of one cap relay and kill other guys fast first. That officer has optimal range of 50km.. so you won't get that much damage if you warp at 15km. It might be advisable you fit 6x mega pulse with multi and 2x siege launcher with juggernaut torps. (guristas - especially officers are most vulnerable to kinetic damage)
With such setup and close range you can kill guristas conquistador in about 15-20 seconds. Webifier is advisable too.. so they don't run out of range;)
Just strategize and warp out after each kill...
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:38:00 -
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Ever heard of officer large armor reps?
one heals 1260 armor a cycle. get 2 or 3 of those and you set.
btw that will cost bout... 2.5 bill isk. lol
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal
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Frank Horrigan
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Posted - 2004.11.18 14:38:00 -
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Ever heard of officer large armor reps?
one heals 1260 armor a cycle. get 2 or 3 of those and you set.
btw that will cost bout... 2.5 bill isk. lol
Originally by: Oveur
Originally by: Bhaal
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Everything. Remember, we're from Iceland.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:14:00 -
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it IS possible to tank officers and their support in a apoc but u need 900hp reps and 55% hardeners.
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fairimear
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:14:00 -
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it IS possible to tank officers and their support in a apoc but u need 900hp reps and 55% hardeners.
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:54:00 -
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I'll chime in with the others about the possibility of tanking just the officer, but not the officer + escort BS's. A corp mate of mine tried to tank Estamel + 2 Scorps and lost his Dominix. I came in just before his ship exploded and managed to destroy the 2 Scorps while they were all focusing on taking him out, and I was then able to solo tank Estamel and destroy her. We both were in very sturdy armor tanked Dominixes set up for fighting Guristas.
It worked out in the end, though. The money from the sale of Estamels loot ended up being about 600% of the cost of his Dominix (not figuring insurance!).
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Shintoko Akahoshi
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Posted - 2004.11.18 17:54:00 -
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I'll chime in with the others about the possibility of tanking just the officer, but not the officer + escort BS's. A corp mate of mine tried to tank Estamel + 2 Scorps and lost his Dominix. I came in just before his ship exploded and managed to destroy the 2 Scorps while they were all focusing on taking him out, and I was then able to solo tank Estamel and destroy her. We both were in very sturdy armor tanked Dominixes set up for fighting Guristas.
It worked out in the end, though. The money from the sale of Estamels loot ended up being about 600% of the cost of his Dominix (not figuring insurance!).
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