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Krans Hopeson Hypercube Ventures	Posted - 2010.01.02 23:00:00 - [61] Please come kill the ice miners in Piekura (Lonetrek, conveniently adjacent to low sec)! And, while you're there, buy my very-reasonably-priced Catalysts, please! I will be ensuring that there is a plentiful supply available. My lolalt will be joining in the gankery, naturally. Thanks for setting up the orphanage corp, Helicity! -- "The only stupid question is the one you don't ask."
3ll3 Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.01.02 23:39:00 - [62] Death to the Macro-Miners! Though I should be cursing this event being a Care Bear and a Miner but still if it'll purge the Hated Macro-Miners I'll gladly take my chances as a viable target. #3ll3's Bio
SetrakDark Caldari DarkCorp Technology and Finance	Posted - 2010.01.03 00:49:00 - [63] Edited by: SetrakDark on 03/01/2010 00:49:03 I can't believe how seriously some people are taking this... Edit: as in getting upset.
Kessiaan Minmatar Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.03 01:50:00 - [64] Edited by: Kessiaan on 03/01/2010 01:50:32 Originally by: SetrakDark Edited by: SetrakDark on 03/01/2010 00:49:03 I can't believe how seriously some people are taking this... Edit: as in getting upset. I find this whole event highly amusing. Apparently mining in a Covetor for a week is beyond the ability of some people to understand. Or the people who think there's some uber Hulk setup that can survive the alpha strike from six destroyers. Or the people who think that a suicider below -5 sec. status can't fly said destroyers to the target. The real industrialists are already getting into position to profit from this - I've already seen suicide kits on sale, wouldn't surprise me at all if people are buying up Hulks (and associated equipment) now to resell to idiots who get suicided despite having weeks of warning and every game mechanic in EvE on their side.
MailOrder RussianBride	Posted - 2010.01.03 04:07:00 - [65] I just don't get it... Are the people complaining about stuff like this playing the same game? This is the Eve forums, right? Is there some motive or method of profit from whining and crying on the forums that I'm missing?
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.03 05:00:00 - [66] Originally by: MailOrder RussianBride I just don't get it... Are the people complaining about stuff like this playing the same game? This is the Eve forums, right? Is there some motive or method of profit from whining and crying on the forums that I'm missing? Ever since CCP boosted concord response times carebear tear prices have gone up on the super secret carebear tear lube market. Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.03 05:52:00 - [67] I think you'll find the game mechanics are bent towards the griefer, not the "care-bears" as you call em. Dont forget also for 2 years now Jihad has been nothing but story's to many people. They dont know how to play in highsec like they are under threat. The game is massively skewed towards the ganker, Insurance payouts for ganking tipping Ninja salvaging replacing items in cans to re-flag the can to the ninja, so the newbe flags himself.Then he gets killed in his pve mega by the pvper in a tricked out Tempest. The inability in highsec for NPC Corps to back each other up without getting concorded. The simple fact there is no consequence for killing people in highsec is enough proof that the entire system is for the ganker, not the carebear. PS, Concord is not a consequence, until Insurance is removed. That will balance the playing field, if you wanna grief awesome, go nuts, but you have to lose out as well. An before any of you start with "waaa waa hes a carebear crying tears blah blah" lol.... I think my killboard speaks for itself. (if that rubbish ever means anything)
MailOrder RussianBride	Posted - 2010.01.03 06:26:00 - [68] Edited by: MailOrder RussianBride on 03/01/2010 06:28:46 Originally by: Zill I think you'll find the game mechanics are bent towards the griefer, not the "care-bears" as you call em. Dont forget also for 2 years now Jihad has been nothing but story's to many people. They dont know how to play in highsec like they are under threat. The game is massively skewed towards the ganker, Insurance payouts for ganking tipping Ninja salvaging replacing items in cans to re-flag the can to the ninja, so the newbe flags himself.Then he gets killed in his pve mega by the pvper in a tricked out Tempest. The inability in highsec for NPC Corps to back each other up without getting concorded. The simple fact there is no consequence for killing people in highsec is enough proof that the entire system is for the ganker, not the carebear. PS, Concord is not a consequence, until Insurance is removed. That will balance the playing field, if you wanna grief awesome, go nuts, but you have to lose out as well. This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say "I don't get it." Why would you want to change that? This is Eve. This is the game where people commit corporate theft and scams. With pride. Then brag about it. On the game's official forums. Try doing that in other online games and see how long your account remains active... If these things bother you... WHY ARE YOU STILL PLAYING? Why are you surprised/outraged/annoyed/(insert emotion to nitpick about) that the system is set up with the ganker partially in mind? Why would you want to change that? Empire is boring enough as it is without taking the only serious risk out of it. Seriously, justify this to me. Why and how would this improve the game as a whole? Again. I just don't get it. Are you involved in some sort of bet in which you are trying to elicit the largest number of 'Go back to WoW' responses? It would make more sense... Quote: An before any of you start with "waaa waa hes a carebear crying tears blah blah" lol.... I think my killboard speaks for itself. (if that rubbish ever means anything) And before YOU start with 'dirty ganker, you just want easy kills, learn to really PvP' my main's a Hulk pilot.
Hamano Walker	Posted - 2010.01.03 06:31:00 - [69] Edited by: Hamano Walker on 03/01/2010 06:33:01 Originally by: Zill I think you'll find the game mechanics are bent towards the griefer, not the "care-bears" as you call em. OK, keep in mind that in 0.0 the game mechanics are "neutral", by which I mean that there is no mechanical incentive or disincentive to either the miner or the attacker. Anyone can attack a mining ship with anything from a frigate to an entire battle fleet. Depending on your perspective that can be weighted to attackers or it can be the ultimate form of freedom. Anyone is allowed to do whatever they want. In highsec the default state is that anyone who attacks your mining ship will die. Not might die, not probably die, will die. On top of that, once they fire a single shot, everyone in your corp can strike back for 15 minutes while CONCORD is chasing the attacker down. Insurance allows the production and fitting of certain small, high alpha strike ships as a break-even proposition. They still will die. Not might die, will die. If you're mining alone, unarmed, untanked and don't have an escape plan you may die too. Not will die, may die. The profit margin is lower than blowing up unfit ships for insurance. Even if you get destroyed you can run back for your cargo just like they're doing and do it in a battleship. The only way for the attacker to practically avoid this is to wardec your corp first. So the mechanics aren't really favoring the attacker. What they are doing is allowing a couple of small, specific means of attack on undefended targets in highsec. --- How to deal with issues in EVE: Fight it, avoid it, run from it, buy it off, cry about it or learn from it.
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.03 07:31:00 - [70] Edited by: Zill on 03/01/2010 07:31:52 "This is exactly what I'm talking about when I say "I don't get it." Why would you want to change that? This is Eve. This is the game where people commit corporate theft and scams. With pride. Then brag about it. On the game's official forums. Try doing that in other online games and see how long your account remains active... If these things bother you... WHY ARE YOU STILL PLAYING? Why are you surprised/outraged/annoyed/(insert emotion to nitpick about) that the system is set up with the ganker partially in mind? Why would you want to change that? Empire is boring enough as it is without taking the only serious risk out of it. Seriously, justify this to me. Why and how would this improve the game as a whole? Again. I just don't get it. Are you involved in some sort of bet in which you are trying to elicit the largest number of 'Go back to WoW' responses? It would make more sense..." ---------------------------- Firstly, I dont want to "change" EvE, I have always made my views on ganking totally clear. It's a good thing to have risk in highsec, an I for one would never want it to be nrfed any harder than it has been. I sure as hell dont want the lie,cheat,steal,kill,murder,spy blah blah to ever be changed. Show me one single spot that this tactic "bothers" me..... seriously, please show me.... I have over 33 pod kills to my name an about a 5 to 1 kill ratio so wanting the game "softer" is not even remotely thought about by me. As for Wow, I don't see how you reach such an idiotic statement. I am not 13, nor do I gain giggles in winding people up anymore. I merely pointed out some facts. I still fail though to see why you wont see that removing insurance is actually a good thing. It makes things even, so the newbe who just gained his Hulk an has 10 isk to him name, can venture out to play. Yet knows that some numpty in a 2B isk Tengu has to take same risks he does to gain the kill. Walker, trouble with your response mate is that highsec is by an large full of guys who lack the skills or the info needed to defend against the random gank. As we both know if someone wants you dead, youc an be killed, anywhere, its down to how much that person wants you dead. Insurance just makes it easy so everyone can join in. EvE is meant to be a risk just doing anything, but the risk is 80% one sided, because the gankers risk nothing, not one single thing does any ganker risk in killing. 0.0 is as we both know a totally different ballgame.I cant really think of any parallels to use in this discussion between 0.0 an 05+.Everyone knows you cant mine in 0.0 solo unless you have a deathwish, hence the reason highsec is so valued. The insurance system while highly useful for newbe's is really exploited to hell an back by the rest of us who dont need it. Case in point, I can take my 60 mil isk SB to outer ring an hunt goonfleet an "maybe" I will get out alive... chances are I wont though, I know that going in. In highsec while I have Concord an navy to protect me, even a 0.0 fit Marauder can be killed with enough firepower on it. I lose billions while the attackers get a payday of billion isk mods. Everyone gets paid,an get insurance on their crappy APOC suiside fit. now if there was no insurance, they lose few 100 mil in ships an mods an gain less back off me, while still taking a risk for payday. How is that wrong?
Millie Clode Amarr Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.03 11:37:00 - [71] Originally by: Kessiaan Apparently mining in a Covetor for a week is beyond the ability of some people to understand. Or the people who think there's some uber Hulk setup that can survive the alpha strike from six destroyers. Or the people who think that a suicider below -5 sec. status can't fly said destroyers to the target. If we want to maximise revenue from loot, spread the word that deadspace buffer hulk fits are the way forward and will definitely save your life when the ganking happens ;) Imagine the incredulity ---------- Sig Page 1 Snipah YOU CANT MINE SO YOU KILL
Ahro Thariori	Posted - 2010.01.03 11:39:00 - [72] suggestion: dont fly t2/faction hulls if you cant afford the loss
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.03 13:08:00 - [73] I always love the false "you can't pvp" argument. I have 700+ kills on this toon, and i think like 2 of them were hulks :/ not to mention the head sponsor of the event is ranked number 1 on Battleclinic. Funny them false arguments, but whatever makes them feel better I suppose.
2Wild	Posted - 2010.01.03 22:00:00 - [74] well, I've only had 1 attempt on my retriever by a gank Thorax & my small T2 booster saved my hide. Also I fly as if I'm mining in null/lo sec (watch local, look out for warships entering belt & deploy drones, stay aligned to a station/planet/belt). I know there is no safety in hi-sec belts, a gank can come at anytime. So if some noob or afk miner dies too bad for them. It just means less competition. Happy Hunting
MailOrder RussianBride	Posted - 2010.01.03 23:42:00 - [75] I'm willing to write this off as just a difference of opinion, but even so, let's continue... I understand that you're saying you don't want to change Eve (as in the overall game)... but I disagree with you. It seems to me that you do. Changing the insurance payout system in order to make suicide ganking less profitable changes the tone of the overall game. It would make the game softer. Why should new players be shielded more? Are they not part of the same game as everyone else? By new, I do not mean 15 day old players still wet behind the ears; if you're in a Hulk, you've been playing several months and made, at minimum, 150mil. By that point, your security is your own responsibility. You should either know better or deserve to be shown (the hard way) why you should. You're also ignoring the sec status hit gankers take. It's not a huge penalty, but there's a significant amount of time they have to invest in grinding. It's not like one person is suiciding 30 Hulks a day. The biggest problem with your argument is that it's contingent on the market. Removing insurance would make suicide ganking unprofitable for Hulks, but still profitable (as you pointed out) for things like some freighters, haulers and faction fit mission runners. Why? What purpose does this serve? How does this make the game better than it currently is? I don't think it does... Okay, no, you didn't say you 'bothered.' That's partially assumption and implication from toneless forum posts. My bad, cut me some slack, I was sleepy :p
BaMBaM23	Posted - 2010.01.04 01:37:00 - [76] any people with neg status that have trouble getting into hig sec please msg to get orca support as a hi sec carrier for your boats...... support this all the way Bam 4.20 all ready OK
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2010.01.04 01:48:00 - [77] Hey Heli, Given the amount of miners shouting, scammers trying to profit off the even and the desperate attention seeking from insignificant trolls going on; I'd say Hulkageddon 2 is already a success. See you on the asteroid field ~
War Kitten	Posted - 2010.01.05 17:41:00 - [78] Zill, 1) Yes, highsec is full of newbs with no clue. But you don't write game mechanics for everyone in favor of the ignorant. Too many times I hear people say they hate to read or don't want to read about how things work, they just want to play the game. Well kids, tough luck. Those that take time to know what they're doing will always have an advantage over those who stick their head in the sand, even in Hello Kitty Online. Know the rules of the game. 2) Risk may be low for gankers, but so is the reward. There is also the risk of lowering your sec status, and it takes about as much time ratting to repair that as it takes to make the money to replace the dead hulk. 3) Turn the tables: What's the risk vs. reward of flying a hulk in hi-sec? It's way out of proportion I'd say. How often do you really get ganked, and how many billions does one make off minerals mined at really 0 risk? It all boils down to this: All you have to do is pay attention and get out if you see a guy with a really big gun loitering next to you. Would you sit next to the guy on the subway carrying a rocket launcher? I think not.
Intense Thinker Minmatar	Posted - 2010.01.05 18:39:00 - [79] only 2 more days to Hulkageddon II!!! I'm up to -0.3 sec status and will spend a lot of time tomorrow grinding it up as high as I can before it all goes away again Originally by: a51 duke1406 The girls just dont understand that sunday is pvp night, not cuddle on the couch watching tv night.
Josef Serov Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.05 18:48:00 - [80] Originally by: Boink'urr How exactly is Eve a 'dark cold place' again with all these fully insured lolgankfits? Somebody xplain :D Well it isn't for the gankers. That's the point of people complaining about it for the most part. There is no chance of losing money unless the ganker is a complete twit. My own complaint has more to do with the fact this will probably lead to Exhumers getting a bit of a boost to deal with this. Should have run "Missiongeddon" and then "Evegankageddon" because repeatedly showing that miners can't stop a gank fit no matter what will just encourage CCP to up the resistances or something to where they can hold up to a single cheap gank alpha strike. Laugh if you want at that idea, that what caused the piracy nerfs listed in another post (webifiers and such) --- "I just do what I am told. The corporation knows all, sees all, and tells very little. If we make a bad call, we can honestly say that we have acted in good consciences based on the information a
Stuart Price Caldari The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates	Posted - 2010.01.05 20:26:00 - [81] Originally by: Josef Serov Originally by: Boink'urr How exactly is Eve a 'dark cold place' again with all these fully insured lolgankfits? Somebody xplain :D Well it isn't for the gankers. That's the point of people complaining about it for the most part. There is no chance of losing money unless the ganker is a complete twit. My own complaint has more to do with the fact this will probably lead to Exhumers getting a bit of a boost to deal with this. Should have run "Missiongeddon" and then "Evegankageddon" because repeatedly showing that miners can't stop a gank fit no matter what will just encourage CCP to up the resistances or something to where they can hold up to a single cheap gank alpha strike. Laugh if you want at that idea, that what caused the piracy nerfs listed in another post (webifiers and such) Nah, CCP generally love this kind of stuff. It's a Scandinavian thing. I seriously doubt they'll buff exhumers in response - they're more likely to say, "lol, man up", and explain that having your hulk suicide ganked is, surprisingly, completely avoidable for awake pilots. My only regret is that I won't be partaking due to exploded desktop and an 8 day wait time for its replacement (Stupid laptop won't run eve). Putting the 'irate' into 'Pirate'
Dexter Tripod	Posted - 2010.01.05 20:49:00 - [82] No worries Stuart. I'll dedicate one of my, hopefully many, hulk kills to you. :)
Josef Serov Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.05 21:43:00 - [83] Originally by: Stuart Price Nah, CCP generally love this kind of stuff. It's a Scandinavian thing. I seriously doubt they'll buff exhumers in response - they're more likely to say, "lol, man up", and explain that having your hulk suicide ganked is, surprisingly, completely avoidable for awake pilots. My only regret is that I won't be partaking due to exploded desktop and an 8 day wait time for its replacement (Stupid laptop won't run eve). Yeah and that's why you've seen the back and forth with Industry and Pirates. MWD nerfs, webifier nerfs all because of pirate or carebear tears. Yes, pirate tears. You want to see a pirate go all weepy? Tell them their high-sec ganking is no longer a guaranteed profit, and that they might gasp lose money doing it. Tell them, in general, that they might have to switch tactics. Pirates are not immune to tears in the slightest. In fact some of the most delicious tears I've gotten (along with the most hate-filled convos) were pirate tears. CCP will just look at it as a balance thing. Should they see it getting out of balance, too many easy alpha kills for example, and they'll change it. They did the same thing with MWD and Webs. --- "I just do what I am told. The corporation knows all, sees all, and tells very little. If we make a bad call, we can honestly say that we have acted in good consciences based on the information a
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.05 21:56:00 - [84] Edited by: Zill on 05/01/2010 21:59:16 War Kitty, trouble is mate ganks are not done for profit, I was a pirate for a long time an only one reason to kill hulks "Fun" an the chance to ** someone off, we both know that :). Removing insurance is just going to make it so teams of tempest gangsta wanna be's cant roam all day in 1.0 an slaughter day old chars in their newbe ships so they can come here to boast how they made somone quit. I have no issues at all at people killing hulks n freighters etc. Hell,the game took a bad turn the day they nerfed highsec. BUT, you have to have a balance. Proof positive is out there in every single MMO ever made that anarchy games turn to in a heart beat because of the gamers playing. They turn feral an it becomes a lord of the flies thing where they attack anytign that moves. Look at Darkfall online totally teen angst tantrum driven gang bangers who need a right smackin. Oldschool UO, hacks cheats death threats bullying all the usual caper from young ones who have no moderation switch.... they just go feral overnight. Anarchy gamers are incapable of self moderation so ecery single game fails because of it.Eve has managed to survive because it moderates that behavior somewhat by instilling some controls in the game. Dont be fooled that CCP are not taking notice of the rise in ganks suddenly. They removed the ability once already because people screamed blue murder over it. If you wanna make money killing people, then pirate. It takes work I know an it also takes time to setup a reputation as someone who isnt gonna rasom an then just kill you anyway. Because the first time you do so, your name wuill get round then none will ever pay you. Education is another option other than removing insurance, but sadly I try an teach every day how to mine in highsec an all you ever get is "blah blah ** off noob I know more than you".... at which point I call a couple gankers I know to kill him (every action has an equal an opposite reaction). They usually come back then after complaining they are more likily to listen :D Anyway all I can say is if you lads don't tone it down your just gonna get the system nerfed yourself heh
Thronde United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2010.01.05 22:30:00 - [85] I will be there in one form or another... Either my main or my alt. Either way, -10 HERE I COME! I wonder if a Thrasher fit with 2x Istab IIs can still gank fast enough. LOL
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.05 22:40:00 - [86] Originally by: Zill Anyway all I can say is if you lads don't tone it down your just gonna get the system nerfed yourself heh if the system is nerfed anymore, then CCP will have some MAJOR whine to come out of. nothing like this small glass of tears coming out from the mentally impaired miners.
Neckbeard Griefmonger	Posted - 2010.01.05 22:51:00 - [87] I'd like to contribute an achievement. Mediocre award 100M to the corp that falls dead middle in exhumer kills.
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.05 22:58:00 - [88] Edited by: Zill on 05/01/2010 22:59:00 wine as in Sn *****ing an moaning you mean ? :p hehe lets face it Boomer we all know Sn don't like it when it when it isn't a "fair fight" as in 3 tooled up BS v 1 retriever. I think Sn are probably one of the main ones will scream loudest an longest if the system is fixed so you actually have a consequence for your actions. Specially when this whole -10 thing is called "a major consequence of ganking" LOL your set status is nothing. The fact you have to spend a few weeks getting status up pales compared to that newbee who worked his arse off for 2 hours a night for months in between kids/school/work/family to afford his hulk. Then only to lose it to 12 suddenly ninja griefers who then proceed to spam the poor guys mail with gangsta angst because he died to them. :D
Lady Spank Amarr Sekret Kool Klubb	Posted - 2010.01.05 23:00:00 - [89] Confirming Suddenly Ninjas are the whiniest noob fail blob pilots in eve. Now let me wait till one of them comes in and interprets this statement as "delicious tears" ~
Dimitryy Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.05 23:11:00 - [90] Hulkageddon, best geddon. ------------------------------------------ Jack Blackstone > Dimitryy I hope you die.

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