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Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:35:00 - [1] Announcement . After over one year of playing EVE-Online im finally leaving this game, the reason for leaving has nothing to do with the fact that OC "disbanded" and formed a new corp with Zoners. After flown beside Tholarim for over a year , getting to know him and most of the other players, i have full confidence that they can and will proceed doing what they did under [OC] tag. Its been an honour and privilidge to fight alongside some of the best folks and pilots i think of , and i wish everyone the best in the future both in life and game. Reasons . There are ¦not many reasons why i chosed to leave EVE after investing alot of money and lifetime , but the ones i have is good enough. The lastest month i have been a BETA tester of World of Warcraft and i can honestly say that i found less bugs in that beta version then in EVE after one year in retail. And im sick of CCP never getting rid of the serious bugs that always keep comming back cough capbug cough. I am also sick of the current system witch supports these socalled "safespots" because im a firm beliver of that if you take your ship into a hostile space, you should either be forced to log of fight. I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Grand Finale . So, im not gonna miss EVE one bit, only the community, the loggin on the TS and the laughter it always gave - but im not enjoying EVE as it is anymore and leaving for something better. I¦ll be in EVE untill WoW retail - about 1-2 weeks. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:35:00 - [2] Announcement . After over one year of playing EVE-Online im finally leaving this game, the reason for leaving has nothing to do with the fact that OC "disbanded" and formed a new corp with Zoners. After flown beside Tholarim for over a year , getting to know him and most of the other players, i have full confidence that they can and will proceed doing what they did under [OC] tag. Its been an honour and privilidge to fight alongside some of the best folks and pilots i think of , and i wish everyone the best in the future both in life and game. Reasons . There are ¦not many reasons why i chosed to leave EVE after investing alot of money and lifetime , but the ones i have is good enough. The lastest month i have been a BETA tester of World of Warcraft and i can honestly say that i found less bugs in that beta version then in EVE after one year in retail. And im sick of CCP never getting rid of the serious bugs that always keep comming back cough capbug cough. I am also sick of the current system witch supports these socalled "safespots" because im a firm beliver of that if you take your ship into a hostile space, you should either be forced to log of fight. I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Grand Finale . So, im not gonna miss EVE one bit, only the community, the loggin on the TS and the laughter it always gave - but im not enjoying EVE as it is anymore and leaving for something better. I¦ll be in EVE untill WoW retail - about 1-2 weeks. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:38:00 - [3] Originally by: Dreez I am also sick of the current system witch supports these socalled "safespots" because im a firm beliver of that if you take your ship into a hostile space, you should either be forced to log of fight. I so agree with you. Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. I so disagree with you. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:38:00 - [4] Originally by: Dreez I am also sick of the current system witch supports these socalled "safespots" because im a firm beliver of that if you take your ship into a hostile space, you should either be forced to log of fight. I so agree with you. Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. I so disagree with you. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:38:00 - [5] Always sad to see a PVP'er leave the game, even if an enemy Retail is 23'rd as far as I know. Have fun in WoW, i know I enjoyed my BetaTesting there *Spawn of the Devil*
Omniwar	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:38:00 - [6] Always sad to see a PVP'er leave the game, even if an enemy Retail is 23'rd as far as I know. Have fun in WoW, i know I enjoyed my BetaTesting there *Spawn of the Devil*
Svarun	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:55:00 - [7] Hm, know exactly what you mean Dreez, during beta testing of Wow i dont think i logged once into EVE. And the funny thing is, i dont miss the playing at all, but only people... ATM im still debating if i should pay for another month or call it quits and go play Wow fulltime. Anyway, gl hf etc Dreez
Svarun	Posted - 2004.11.19 12:55:00 - [8] Hm, know exactly what you mean Dreez, during beta testing of Wow i dont think i logged once into EVE. And the funny thing is, i dont miss the playing at all, but only people... ATM im still debating if i should pay for another month or call it quits and go play Wow fulltime. Anyway, gl hf etc Dreez
Drexciyian	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:04:00 - [9] DAOC, L2, WOW when will u ppl learn its all the same thing My Evil Half
Drexciyian	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:04:00 - [10] DAOC, L2, WOW when will u ppl learn its all the same thing My Evil Half

Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:08:00 - [11] You don't like safespots but your are going for a full restricted PvP game? Pain is meant to be felt
Juan Andalusian	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:08:00 - [12] You don't like safespots but your are going for a full restricted PvP game? Pain is meant to be felt
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:11:00 - [13] Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Hey! I take offense to that! :) Fights are never fair, else there wouldn't be a winner, would there? And yes, you should never fight a fair fight, 'cause then you haven't spent enough time planning your actions and shifting the balance in your favor pre-battle. If you're talking about odds, then look in the mirror as well, everyone ganks most of the time. :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
Waagaa Ktlehr	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:11:00 - [14] Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Hey! I take offense to that! :) Fights are never fair, else there wouldn't be a winner, would there? And yes, you should never fight a fair fight, 'cause then you haven't spent enough time planning your actions and shifting the balance in your favor pre-battle. If you're talking about odds, then look in the mirror as well, everyone ganks most of the time. :) ------------------------------------------ I am a love machine, feeding my fantasy, give me a kiss or three, have fun!
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:54:00 - [15] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Hey! I take offense to that! :) Fights are never fair, else there wouldn't be a winner, would there? And yes, you should never fight a fair fight, 'cause then you haven't spent enough time planning your actions and shifting the balance in your favor pre-battle. If you're talking about odds, then look in the mirror as well, everyone ganks most of the time. :) Think that's what he's getting at. That ganking is all there is usually in this game, bar the VERY rare small skirmish or the lagfest fleet battles. I like the 4 on 4 bs fights say, or a bunch of cruisers and frigs engaging each other. These happen now and again, but not frequently enough ;/. and now onto the important stuff. I dunno what to say dreez ;/ your a great player and been a good mate over past year i'll be very sad to see you leave mate. Have fun in WoW i might join you, still contemplating it :-D. Former Member of Omega Corp
HatePeace LoveWar	Posted - 2004.11.19 13:54:00 - [16] Originally by: Waagaa Ktlehr Originally by: Dreez I am also sick and tired of all the dishonest players in this game when it comes to fighting other corporations. I was in this game for fun , but the players witch moto is never fight a fair fight has corrupted this game and taken all fun out of it. Hey! I take offense to that! :) Fights are never fair, else there wouldn't be a winner, would there? And yes, you should never fight a fair fight, 'cause then you haven't spent enough time planning your actions and shifting the balance in your favor pre-battle. If you're talking about odds, then look in the mirror as well, everyone ganks most of the time. :) Think that's what he's getting at. That ganking is all there is usually in this game, bar the VERY rare small skirmish or the lagfest fleet battles. I like the 4 on 4 bs fights say, or a bunch of cruisers and frigs engaging each other. These happen now and again, but not frequently enough ;/. and now onto the important stuff. I dunno what to say dreez ;/ your a great player and been a good mate over past year i'll be very sad to see you leave mate. Have fun in WoW i might join you, still contemplating it :-D. Former Member of Omega Corp
Lallante	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:00:00 - [17] they USED to happen all the time, back before castor Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Lallante	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:00:00 - [18] they USED to happen all the time, back before castor Lall - THE Vocal Minority - ShinRa
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:04:00 - [19] sorry to see you go. sure its not worth at least waiting till Shiva? itll fix a lot of the safespotting and such. 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE
Shimatu	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:04:00 - [20] sorry to see you go. sure its not worth at least waiting till Shiva? itll fix a lot of the safespotting and such. 3-I's T2 sales can be found HERE

Brunis	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:05:00 - [21] I see more and more people leaving Eve to play WOW. Might be a reason why there are less bugs in WOW, maybe something to do with theres nothing to do there I realy don't get it, but oki if you guys want a "do the same thing over and over game" your welcome to, might give us less whining and less nerfs in Eve /Brunis Another dog lifting its leg
Brunis	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:05:00 - [22] I see more and more people leaving Eve to play WOW. Might be a reason why there are less bugs in WOW, maybe something to do with theres nothing to do there I realy don't get it, but oki if you guys want a "do the same thing over and over game" your welcome to, might give us less whining and less nerfs in Eve /Brunis Another dog lifting its leg
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Stavros on 19/11/2004 14:12:38 I agree with him on most of his points about eve although im sure the views about enemy corps are reciprocated by most players within eve. Eve is a damn good game, unfortunately its pretty much the same damn good game it was 1.5 years ago, nothing has really changed, nor can I see it changing much with shiva, however aint getting into a rant about that. Also for those of you who say that WOW is like every other elf type game out there, you are just plain wrong. I for one maintained a strict policy of no elf games, however playing wow has really opened my eyes to what a MMO should be going into release. Also to call it a grind game and say that eve isn't is just pap, eve has just as much if not more grinding than the majority of elf type games. Some of you people should try coming into the game as total noobs and having to mine/npc your way into a bship, I don't think you'd be so quick to judge then ^_^ Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:08:00 - [24] Edited by: Stavros on 19/11/2004 14:12:38 I agree with him on most of his points about eve although im sure the views about enemy corps are reciprocated by most players within eve. Eve is a damn good game, unfortunately its pretty much the same damn good game it was 1.5 years ago, nothing has really changed, nor can I see it changing much with shiva, however aint getting into a rant about that. Also for those of you who say that WOW is like every other elf type game out there, you are just plain wrong. I for one maintained a strict policy of no elf games, however playing wow has really opened my eyes to what a MMO should be going into release. Also to call it a grind game and say that eve isn't is just pap, eve has just as much if not more grinding than the majority of elf type games. Some of you people should try coming into the game as total noobs and having to mine/npc your way into a bship, I don't think you'd be so quick to judge then ^_^ Stav -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:32:00 - [25] i dont like elf games either. shiva really is make or break. Lets hope the long wait is make rather than break, "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:32:00 - [26] i dont like elf games either. shiva really is make or break. Lets hope the long wait is make rather than break, "Teh lord of Nonni"
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:36:00 - [27] I agree with both Stavros and Dreez in their opinion of EVE and I have to admit in direct contrast to Stav , Im actually LOOKING for an Elf game (as you put it) but none of them have what EVE has. I downloaded WoW open beta but to me its just the same as UO and Lineage with its levelling system. To me EVE stands apart from others because of its skill system to rewards long term players as opposed to those who are at school or are unemployed. Id like to see a game with a levelling system somewhere between the 2 extremes of time based training vs XP based training because any game where you have to repetively chain spawns rabbits to gain XP to move from a spoon to a knife weapon is not suited for people with a job/semi active social life. Then again time spent in game should also benefit your character. For that reason I cannot justify a move to another one of the current games because I just dont have time to play everyday. Why do the 'levelling' systems in otehr games have to be so far from what EVE's is ? If they could make a game where RL time AND time in game could work in tandom that would rule So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:36:00 - [28] I agree with both Stavros and Dreez in their opinion of EVE and I have to admit in direct contrast to Stav , Im actually LOOKING for an Elf game (as you put it) but none of them have what EVE has. I downloaded WoW open beta but to me its just the same as UO and Lineage with its levelling system. To me EVE stands apart from others because of its skill system to rewards long term players as opposed to those who are at school or are unemployed. Id like to see a game with a levelling system somewhere between the 2 extremes of time based training vs XP based training because any game where you have to repetively chain spawns rabbits to gain XP to move from a spoon to a knife weapon is not suited for people with a job/semi active social life. Then again time spent in game should also benefit your character. For that reason I cannot justify a move to another one of the current games because I just dont have time to play everyday. Why do the 'levelling' systems in otehr games have to be so far from what EVE's is ? If they could make a game where RL time AND time in game could work in tandom that would rule So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:44:00 - [29] Edited by: Stavros on 19/11/2004 15:01:07 Compared to alot of games WOW has very little grind and the leveling is very very gentle and interspersed with hundreds and hundreds of unique quests that you can do instead of the usual KILL 200000000 of some nub mob. In comparision, running agent missions or mining in eve is no different. Yes the skill and character development system in eve is different from other games, but the 'grind' is moved to other places such as earning money, finding rare modules or running agent missions (indeed most people who run agent missions do so without any real reward from the bp lottery ever). I really do like eve's skill system and I agree that it helps to compensate for playtime differences between powergamers and casual players, however to say that eve is a game that is easyily playable by the average 'casual' gamer is just plain wrong. You only have to look at the amount of noobs floating around in game and on the forums to realise that. What a lot of long term eve players fail to take into account is the extreme difficulty that noobs face trying to raise even 1 million isk when the first start let alone the few million needed for a cruiser or the tens of millions needed for a battleship. Raising those kinds of funds is a complete grind, and as many will attest to, it is far far worse than many other games be they elf based or not. So to put eve on a pedestal and act like its some kind of anti-grind game is simply untrue, the grind is there just in different places than usual and like all games once u max out your char (or in eve get in a good corp, get a good personal fleet of ships etc) the game becomes relatively easy no matter what you do. Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:44:00 - [30] Edited by: Stavros on 19/11/2004 15:01:07 Compared to alot of games WOW has very little grind and the leveling is very very gentle and interspersed with hundreds and hundreds of unique quests that you can do instead of the usual KILL 200000000 of some nub mob. In comparision, running agent missions or mining in eve is no different. Yes the skill and character development system in eve is different from other games, but the 'grind' is moved to other places such as earning money, finding rare modules or running agent missions (indeed most people who run agent missions do so without any real reward from the bp lottery ever). I really do like eve's skill system and I agree that it helps to compensate for playtime differences between powergamers and casual players, however to say that eve is a game that is easyily playable by the average 'casual' gamer is just plain wrong. You only have to look at the amount of noobs floating around in game and on the forums to realise that. What a lot of long term eve players fail to take into account is the extreme difficulty that noobs face trying to raise even 1 million isk when the first start let alone the few million needed for a cruiser or the tens of millions needed for a battleship. Raising those kinds of funds is a complete grind, and as many will attest to, it is far far worse than many other games be they elf based or not. So to put eve on a pedestal and act like its some kind of anti-grind game is simply untrue, the grind is there just in different places than usual and like all games once u max out your char (or in eve get in a good corp, get a good personal fleet of ships etc) the game becomes relatively easy no matter what you do. Stavros -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"

DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:50:00 - [31] We (BNC) have at least 12-15 guys all playing WoW beta, for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. Mainly they're bored with game dynamics and bugs, which never seem to get fixed. Having said that I do think we'll see an influx of older Eve players coming back to the game with the release of Exodus. Lets hope CCP get this right otherwise WoW could reduce Eve-Online quite dramatically. Black Nova Corporation COO
DoctorGonzo	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:50:00 - [32] We (BNC) have at least 12-15 guys all playing WoW beta, for all the reasons already mentioned in this thread. Mainly they're bored with game dynamics and bugs, which never seem to get fixed. Having said that I do think we'll see an influx of older Eve players coming back to the game with the release of Exodus. Lets hope CCP get this right otherwise WoW could reduce Eve-Online quite dramatically. Black Nova Corporation COO
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:52:00 - [33] Incidently, I don't know if CCP noticed, but they currently have shiva (exodus WHATEVER) scheduled to come out on the same day as american/canadian/austrailian WOW release -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
Stavros	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:52:00 - [34] Incidently, I don't know if CCP noticed, but they currently have shiva (exodus WHATEVER) scheduled to come out on the same day as american/canadian/austrailian WOW release -- "Keep On Flaming Lamers, Like Your Ships Did When We Ended You"
DaddyS	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:55:00 - [35] Originally by: Dreez I¦ll be in EVE untill WoW retail - about 1-2 weeks. Exodus is out then and you will stay.
DaddyS	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:55:00 - [36] Originally by: Dreez I¦ll be in EVE untill WoW retail - about 1-2 weeks. Exodus is out then and you will stay.
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:56:00 - [37] "Exodus" Funny title. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
Friday Dillinja	Posted - 2004.11.19 14:56:00 - [38] "Exodus" Funny title. ------------------------------------ retired. niwaie of Xanadu
Mr Popov	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:02:00 - [39] Every MMO has the same problems when people powergame for a year or more. In a year (my bet is on 4 months), WoW/EQ2 will have the same feel EVE has to you guys now.
Mr Popov	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:02:00 - [40] Every MMO has the same problems when people powergame for a year or more. In a year (my bet is on 4 months), WoW/EQ2 will have the same feel EVE has to you guys now.

TIvian	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:02:00 - [41] Can I have your stuff Dreez? Truly man its been an honor to fly with you. I wish you the best of Luck in Life. And I will see you when you come back in a couple of months. I Love Eve. As sad as this sounds, This game was my life preserver during and after my divorce(it nearly killed me! And the war wages on) And I will take the time to say thanks to all of my friends and enemys alike...even those hookers that were friends and turned enemy's. You all don't realize it but you all kept me sane and alive and made me laugh while doing it. Thanks all. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
TIvian	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:02:00 - [42] Can I have your stuff Dreez? Truly man its been an honor to fly with you. I wish you the best of Luck in Life. And I will see you when you come back in a couple of months. I Love Eve. As sad as this sounds, This game was my life preserver during and after my divorce(it nearly killed me! And the war wages on) And I will take the time to say thanks to all of my friends and enemys alike...even those hookers that were friends and turned enemy's. You all don't realize it but you all kept me sane and alive and made me laugh while doing it. Thanks all. (\_/) (O.o) (> <) Teh Uber Asheron's Call Bunny Booty WTFPWNZ you!!
Civiare	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:14:00 - [43] Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics
Civiare	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:14:00 - [44] Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics
darth solo	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:22:00 - [45] Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo.
darth solo	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:22:00 - [46] Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo.
Galavet	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:25:00 - [47] I think every corp is suffering as far as members go at the moment. With Guildwars, WoW, Hafelife 2, Halo2 ect ect all out now people are just moving on to new things. Shiva is about 2 weeks to late to save the eve playerbase. The "Exodus" has already started. My game time is limited to 3 hours a day (because of my work load), so I really dont have the time to invest into a new game.
Galavet	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:25:00 - [48] I think every corp is suffering as far as members go at the moment. With Guildwars, WoW, Hafelife 2, Halo2 ect ect all out now people are just moving on to new things. Shiva is about 2 weeks to late to save the eve playerbase. The "Exodus" has already started. My game time is limited to 3 hours a day (because of my work load), so I really dont have the time to invest into a new game.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [49] Quote: Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics Wow, i could express my opinion better then you with a fart. Shut up retard, and move along - this thread has obviously nothing to do with you.
Negotiator	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [50] Quote: Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics Wow, i could express my opinion better then you with a fart. Shut up retard, and move along - this thread has obviously nothing to do with you.

Zen Later	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [51] Edited by: Zen Later on 19/11/2004 15:34:25 For Darth...WoW = World of Warcraft Originally by: Stavros Eve is a damn good game, unfortunately its pretty much the same damn good game it was 1.5 years ago, nothing has really changed, nor can I see it changing much with shiva, however aint getting into a rant about that... ...Also to call it a grind game and say that eve isn't is just pap, eve has just as much if not more grinding than the majority of elf type games. Couldn't agree more Stav. For a while now I've been saying that the problems Eve will face in the future...which starts now with HL2 out and WoW about to role out...is increasing competition for a gamer's playtime. WIth Christmas and the Q1 of 2005 now just around the corner this competition is going to increase even more with other great looking titles coming out. There will always be the diehard Eve only players but with so many good games coming out or on the verge of release it's going to get really interesting. I also don't know what the solution would be for beloved Eve. I know my beef is the development time of this game is measured in years instead of the months it should be.
Zen Later	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:26:00 - [52] Edited by: Zen Later on 19/11/2004 15:34:25 For Darth...WoW = World of Warcraft Originally by: Stavros Eve is a damn good game, unfortunately its pretty much the same damn good game it was 1.5 years ago, nothing has really changed, nor can I see it changing much with shiva, however aint getting into a rant about that... ...Also to call it a grind game and say that eve isn't is just pap, eve has just as much if not more grinding than the majority of elf type games. Couldn't agree more Stav. For a while now I've been saying that the problems Eve will face in the future...which starts now with HL2 out and WoW about to role out...is increasing competition for a gamer's playtime. WIth Christmas and the Q1 of 2005 now just around the corner this competition is going to increase even more with other great looking titles coming out. There will always be the diehard Eve only players but with so many good games coming out or on the verge of release it's going to get really interesting. I also don't know what the solution would be for beloved Eve. I know my beef is the development time of this game is measured in years instead of the months it should be.
Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:27:00 - [53] Quitting without telling everyone i know in this game would be a lack of respect, which i hold high. And unlike some players in this game, im also talking it through with most of the corp members , informing about my leave in good time before "D-day". Personally, i dont think exodus will save EVE. Adding a new software to an already bugged software can only end one way. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:27:00 - [54] Quitting without telling everyone i know in this game would be a lack of respect, which i hold high. And unlike some players in this game, im also talking it through with most of the corp members , informing about my leave in good time before "D-day". Personally, i dont think exodus will save EVE. Adding a new software to an already bugged software can only end one way. 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:28:00 - [55] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. -Havo ------------------- Sig: Mirus Crosius <3 DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A Fk**
DirtyHarry	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:28:00 - [56] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. -Havo ------------------- Sig: Mirus Crosius <3 DirtyHarry ~ Havocide - WoWing It Up, Not Givin A Fk**
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:29:00 - [57] Originally by: Negotiator Quote: Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics Wow, i could express my opinion better then you with a fart. Shut up retard, and move along - this thread has obviously nothing to do with you. Nego for teh win! "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:29:00 - [58] Originally by: Negotiator Quote: Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics Wow, i could express my opinion better then you with a fart. Shut up retard, and move along - this thread has obviously nothing to do with you. Nego for teh win! "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:34:00 - [59] Sorry to see you go Dreez, allthough WoW looks good, consentual PvP, its like...... not my style, but have fun, and swing by TS from time to time So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**
Einheriar Ulrich	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:34:00 - [60] Sorry to see you go Dreez, allthough WoW looks good, consentual PvP, its like...... not my style, but have fun, and swing by TS from time to time So Say I. Einheriar Ulrich of the Bloodline of Einheriar. **Minion Of VOTF**

patch	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:39:00 - [61] Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. They didnt include the actual PvP content into the beta, the honour system is being released either upon release or very shortly after, making PvP VERY worthwhile. It'll open up new quests, new items, cheaper items from vendors in certain areas if you defend your realm, along with a lot of other stuff. The death penalty is ment to be minimal because its VERY easy to die, hell a level 40 can be whooped by a couple of mid 20s easily, which is great because it doesnt mean you have to be the l33t level to be able to kill people, but it certainly gives you advantages in PvP if your a lot higher than everyone else. Questing isnt necesarrily the way to go about leveling up in WoW, you have the choice, but its defo the best way to level up. Hopefully Shiva will put some life back into EvE because, with the certain recent releases, EvE could be forgotten very soon apart from its hardcore fanbois, which would be a shame.
patch	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:39:00 - [62] Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. They didnt include the actual PvP content into the beta, the honour system is being released either upon release or very shortly after, making PvP VERY worthwhile. It'll open up new quests, new items, cheaper items from vendors in certain areas if you defend your realm, along with a lot of other stuff. The death penalty is ment to be minimal because its VERY easy to die, hell a level 40 can be whooped by a couple of mid 20s easily, which is great because it doesnt mean you have to be the l33t level to be able to kill people, but it certainly gives you advantages in PvP if your a lot higher than everyone else. Questing isnt necesarrily the way to go about leveling up in WoW, you have the choice, but its defo the best way to level up. Hopefully Shiva will put some life back into EvE because, with the certain recent releases, EvE could be forgotten very soon apart from its hardcore fanbois, which would be a shame.
Svarun	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:41:00 - [63] This is not really a topic about EVE vs WOW. Its a topic about someone leaving and letting their friends/coplayers know and stating their reasons. EVE is an awesome game, I think we all agree about that. There are not many titles out there that can completely "enslave" a person for a year and more. But the sad thing is, one day you just log in and realize that you have been doing the same old thing every damn day. Then you start thinking a bit about the direction and future and really see no promise there. Basically, EVE is completely the same as it was 1,5 years ago when it was released. Biggest change in the mean time were the conquerable stations (tech2 doesnt really cut it, its just more and prettier of the same) and even they failed to change the playstyle or tempo dramatically. There is so much ******* promise, some of the ideas thrown around on these boards and discussed by devs are mindbending, but in the end, what do we get with Shiva? New ships/equipment (if you think about it, its the same thing when they put new swords/armor in "elf" games) which will do the same thing but more efficient. Starbases hold a bit of a promise in regard to change of dynamics but its just too vague to hold on. I personally think that the biggest change for regular PVPers will be the alliance system. But is it enough? Enough to make you give up a completely new, fresh and fun experience because of it? I dont know... Anyway I didnt mean to type out this rant when I started but there you go. Just adding a different point of view.
Svarun	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:41:00 - [64] This is not really a topic about EVE vs WOW. Its a topic about someone leaving and letting their friends/coplayers know and stating their reasons. EVE is an awesome game, I think we all agree about that. There are not many titles out there that can completely "enslave" a person for a year and more. But the sad thing is, one day you just log in and realize that you have been doing the same old thing every damn day. Then you start thinking a bit about the direction and future and really see no promise there. Basically, EVE is completely the same as it was 1,5 years ago when it was released. Biggest change in the mean time were the conquerable stations (tech2 doesnt really cut it, its just more and prettier of the same) and even they failed to change the playstyle or tempo dramatically. There is so much ******* promise, some of the ideas thrown around on these boards and discussed by devs are mindbending, but in the end, what do we get with Shiva? New ships/equipment (if you think about it, its the same thing when they put new swords/armor in "elf" games) which will do the same thing but more efficient. Starbases hold a bit of a promise in regard to change of dynamics but its just too vague to hold on. I personally think that the biggest change for regular PVPers will be the alliance system. But is it enough? Enough to make you give up a completely new, fresh and fun experience because of it? I dont know... Anyway I didnt mean to type out this rant when I started but there you go. Just adding a different point of view.
Daald	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:57:00 - [65] I am going to WoW as well. These past two weeks I have been playing it exclusively and it has captured me in a way that Eve never did. I will still keep my main account however, because I finally just got enough to build a Scorp, but my second account will be sacrificed to the WoW gods. I agree with your criticism of Eve. WoW will have it's own problems such as Warlock pet control, Shaman being overpowered etc. but the fact that it has a lot of fluff (drinking, stripping to your underwear and running around challenging people to duels) will make it a game that a lot of people will fall in love with. I know I have. I like Eve as well, and I hope that Exodus will fix the serious problems that take all the fun out of playing it.
Daald	Posted - 2004.11.19 15:57:00 - [66] I am going to WoW as well. These past two weeks I have been playing it exclusively and it has captured me in a way that Eve never did. I will still keep my main account however, because I finally just got enough to build a Scorp, but my second account will be sacrificed to the WoW gods. I agree with your criticism of Eve. WoW will have it's own problems such as Warlock pet control, Shaman being overpowered etc. but the fact that it has a lot of fluff (drinking, stripping to your underwear and running around challenging people to duels) will make it a game that a lot of people will fall in love with. I know I have. I like Eve as well, and I hope that Exodus will fix the serious problems that take all the fun out of playing it.
Devestator	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:10:00 - [67] I also have Beta tested WoW for the last month and played it exclusively for the first two weeks. I kept up with EvE skill training and checked my corp forums everyday. After two weeks, WoW did get boring and I kept reading on my eve corp forums how my corp mates where taking out enemies and my blood lust for eve returned. The death penalty in WoW is the easiest in any game I have played. Eve gives a nice satisfaction when blowing up an enemy BS
Devestator	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:10:00 - [68] I also have Beta tested WoW for the last month and played it exclusively for the first two weeks. I kept up with EvE skill training and checked my corp forums everyday. After two weeks, WoW did get boring and I kept reading on my eve corp forums how my corp mates where taking out enemies and my blood lust for eve returned. The death penalty in WoW is the easiest in any game I have played. Eve gives a nice satisfaction when blowing up an enemy BS
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:19:00 - [69] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 19/11/2004 16:27:40 Originally by: Drexciyian DAOC, L2, WOW when will u ppl learn its all the same thing couldnt agree more! WoW graphically looks like theyve just thrown a palette of paint at the models. Gameplay it isnt better than EQ2 either tbh...EQ2 will be better, bigger...and i dont even like them. i dont like any of those types of games My vids and random stuff
MAXSuicide	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:19:00 - [70] Edited by: MAXSuicide on 19/11/2004 16:27:40 Originally by: Drexciyian DAOC, L2, WOW when will u ppl learn its all the same thing couldnt agree more! WoW graphically looks like theyve just thrown a palette of paint at the models. Gameplay it isnt better than EQ2 either tbh...EQ2 will be better, bigger...and i dont even like them. i dont like any of those types of games My vids and random stuff

Foyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:48:00 - [71] Dreeze, I understand your frustration; I hope you reconsider. Take a little break, put a skill running to level 5 and suspend the account. Do not sell it; I know you will be back under my spell in no time.. See you in 2 months! Or else! Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Foyle	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:48:00 - [72] Dreeze, I understand your frustration; I hope you reconsider. Take a little break, put a skill running to level 5 and suspend the account. Do not sell it; I know you will be back under my spell in no time.. See you in 2 months! Or else! Eternally yours, MuthaTrucka
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:53:00 - [73] This post should be in Out of Pod experience........ Anyway, Exodus is the last chance saloon for many players. If it doesn't hold its immediate "shiny sparkly new stuff" appeal, you truly will see an exodus of players. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 16:53:00 - [74] This post should be in Out of Pod experience........ Anyway, Exodus is the last chance saloon for many players. If it doesn't hold its immediate "shiny sparkly new stuff" appeal, you truly will see an exodus of players. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:06:00 - [75] Originally by: Joshua Calvert This post should be in Out of Pod experience........ Anyway, Exodus is the last chance saloon for many players. If it doesn't hold its immediate "shiny sparkly new stuff" appeal, you truly will see an exodus of players. lol we used to say that at 4am just as the club was shutting, then looking at the dancefloor trying to pick of the last remaining semi nice birds. but ushally the goggles got the better "Teh lord of Nonni"
SwitchBl4d3	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:06:00 - [76] Originally by: Joshua Calvert This post should be in Out of Pod experience........ Anyway, Exodus is the last chance saloon for many players. If it doesn't hold its immediate "shiny sparkly new stuff" appeal, you truly will see an exodus of players. lol we used to say that at 4am just as the club was shutting, then looking at the dancefloor trying to pick of the last remaining semi nice birds. but ushally the goggles got the better "Teh lord of Nonni"
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:21:00 - [77] God created EVE to test the faithfull. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Halseth Durn	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:21:00 - [78] God created EVE to test the faithfull. Oberon-Inc FEAR MY EMOTICONS
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:24:00 - [79] Originally by: Halseth Durn God created EVE to test the faithfull. but did he create it on time? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:24:00 - [80] Originally by: Halseth Durn God created EVE to test the faithfull. but did he create it on time? LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!

crice	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:30:00 - [81] Later, see online Funny I saw a character named Discordia in WOW... Hmmmm... PEACE OUT> Crice
crice	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:30:00 - [82] Later, see online Funny I saw a character named Discordia in WOW... Hmmmm... PEACE OUT> Crice
crice	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:32:00 - [83] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. World Of Warcraft, very similar to Diablo II. Darth make sure you Alliance if you play so I can kill you.
crice	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:32:00 - [84] Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare Awww look what you did.. Cry me a river. Please... dont like it?> dont forget to shut the door on your way out. I dont get it why tell everyone that you quit? just quit. nonsence topics darn alts.. have the balls to post with yer main. as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. World Of Warcraft, very similar to Diablo II. Darth make sure you Alliance if you play so I can kill you.
Stan hyd	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:38:00 - [85] tbh i get bored of eve every now and then, but then a major battle happens and it drags me back in. i mean common guys we have been playing this game for oover a year now and i am still amazed with the graphics and the sheer size of the eve universe. i played linage 2 with some other people and year it was kinda interesting to be in first player mode and it was kinda cool to play with swords and stuff but hey i like going forward in time not back. Gimmie a rail gun over a bow any day of the week. yeah eve has its floors but you know what i think most games do. EVE is a much better game than any out imho the only game i think that will ever put pressure on eve is pirates of the black sea or what ever its called STIZUM FACTA NON VERBA
Stan hyd	Posted - 2004.11.19 17:38:00 - [86] tbh i get bored of eve every now and then, but then a major battle happens and it drags me back in. i mean common guys we have been playing this game for oover a year now and i am still amazed with the graphics and the sheer size of the eve universe. i played linage 2 with some other people and year it was kinda interesting to be in first player mode and it was kinda cool to play with swords and stuff but hey i like going forward in time not back. Gimmie a rail gun over a bow any day of the week. yeah eve has its floors but you know what i think most games do. EVE is a much better game than any out imho the only game i think that will ever put pressure on eve is pirates of the black sea or what ever its called STIZUM FACTA NON VERBA
Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 18:29:00 - [87] Thx for turning my "im leaving post" to a ****ing between WoW and EvE. And Foyle, once i leave i wont come back . 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]*
Dreez	Posted - 2004.11.19 18:29:00 - [88] Thx for turning my "im leaving post" to a ****ing between WoW and EvE. And Foyle, once i leave i wont come back . 'Trying to argue logically with Evol is like trying to teach a pig to dance. It only makes you look foolish and really annoys the pig ' - Duke Droklar [OC]*
patch	Posted - 2004.11.19 19:57:00 - [89] Shouldnt have mentioned the game you were goin too then
patch	Posted - 2004.11.19 19:57:00 - [90] Shouldnt have mentioned the game you were goin too then

Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.11.20 03:46:00 - [91] I could probably count on one hand the houers i've put in to EVE over the last month or so, so i know the feeling. I'd leav this game in a hartbeat if it wasent for the people I play with. I'll save my goodbye post for now... I've had breaks from the game before but it allways fealt good finaly finishing that long skill or flying that new ship. Now however i could careless about finishing skills and/or flying new ****. it seems like shiva is just trowing inn a whole bunch of stuff I'm allready bored of. what to do what to do...? ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Dolemite2K	Posted - 2004.11.20 03:46:00 - [92] I could probably count on one hand the houers i've put in to EVE over the last month or so, so i know the feeling. I'd leav this game in a hartbeat if it wasent for the people I play with. I'll save my goodbye post for now... I've had breaks from the game before but it allways fealt good finaly finishing that long skill or flying that new ship. Now however i could careless about finishing skills and/or flying new ****. it seems like shiva is just trowing inn a whole bunch of stuff I'm allready bored of. what to do what to do...? ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a long poo that you have to take a bite of every day
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.11.20 05:05:00 - [93] It was about this time last year when I took a break from Eve. I didn't really come back full time until after Castor had launched. I'm now taking my second big break from the game, but I will be around for Shiva/Exodus/Whatever. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
Darrin Tobruk	Posted - 2004.11.20 05:05:00 - [94] It was about this time last year when I took a break from Eve. I didn't really come back full time until after Castor had launched. I'm now taking my second big break from the game, but I will be around for Shiva/Exodus/Whatever. _______________________________________________ Eris Discordia: On the scale of funny and constructive it scores low, real low.
Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 15:05:00 - [95] Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Preparing for war brings peace.
Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 15:05:00 - [96] Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Preparing for war brings peace.
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.20 16:44:00 - [97] Originally by: Cesaria Barbarossa Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Dreez announced he is leaving because he's done more in this game and for this game than you, your corp, and me put together. So STFU. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Joshua Calvert	Posted - 2004.11.20 16:44:00 - [98] Originally by: Cesaria Barbarossa Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Dreez announced he is leaving because he's done more in this game and for this game than you, your corp, and me put together. So STFU. LEEEEERRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 20:48:00 - [99] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Cesaria Barbarossa Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Dreez announced he is leaving because he's done more in this game and for this game than you, your corp, and me put together. So STFU. Preparing for war brings peace.
Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 20:48:00 - [100] Originally by: Joshua Calvert Originally by: Cesaria Barbarossa Whatever ive never understood why players "announce"they are leaving a game.Then they give reasons.(other than you actually like the game and are looking to get talked out of leaving). Ok bye see u laters. WoW+Eq2= same crap from 5 years ago.Neither game is original in its vision nor will it ever be. They use the same old "fantasy"ideas from 5 years ago.You may as well go play DAOC.Or even better go play the original EQ cause its pretty much what that is. Before i get flamed name one thing that is NOT in either game that was in EQ. Dreez announced he is leaving because he's done more in this game and for this game than you, your corp, and me put together. So STFU. Preparing for war brings peace.

Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 20:54:00 - [101] He announced hes leaving because he's done so much for the game?So he's done a lot to help in what way?Hey i dont know the guy personally so why dont you explain YOUR defense of him? I mean you would think if he had contributed so much the developers would be confused and bewildered by his leaving right? He's leaving because he contributed so much in....monthly fees?Or is it more than that?Did he help push the storyline forward? So please help me understand.In other words as you have told me in such a nice and respectful manner:Make me STFU. Preparing for war brings peace.
Cesaria Barbarossa	Posted - 2004.11.20 20:54:00 - [102] He announced hes leaving because he's done so much for the game?So he's done a lot to help in what way?Hey i dont know the guy personally so why dont you explain YOUR defense of him? I mean you would think if he had contributed so much the developers would be confused and bewildered by his leaving right? He's leaving because he contributed so much in....monthly fees?Or is it more than that?Did he help push the storyline forward? So please help me understand.In other words as you have told me in such a nice and respectful manner:Make me STFU. Preparing for war brings peace.
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:12:00 - [103] Alliances are endgame, no surprise here. WoW, hate the crayola crap, I blame it for putting Warhammer Online to death. Convert Stations
Danton Marcellus	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:12:00 - [104] Alliances are endgame, no surprise here. WoW, hate the crayola crap, I blame it for putting Warhammer Online to death. Convert Stations
Lord Drax	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:19:00 - [105] I'm sorry to see you go dreez. It's been fun flying with you since novemver last year. Hope you find the game that will satisfy all your gaming needs. Take it easy buddy. Drax -----------------------------------------
Lord Drax	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:19:00 - [106] I'm sorry to see you go dreez. It's been fun flying with you since novemver last year. Hope you find the game that will satisfy all your gaming needs. Take it easy buddy. Drax -----------------------------------------
Bele gorri	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:51:00 - [107] I think it's good to make such announcements, even if they are very bad for the morale of the rest of the players. Devs should know why ppl leaves, and the rest of the players too, esp with such clear and respectfull posts like this. EVE is, still , a "State of the art" game (no laughs please). Many ppl will try new games. I myself tried Guildwars, only to realise how great it was. I tested an "Alpha" with less bugs than EVE in 1 year.Saw their wonderful graphics, played and enjoyed with a body i could see moving (no pics).Realized though too how limited it was and knew i would be bored in few weeks. All the reasons you give are important, but From all of them the last one is for me the most important. Safespots must end , no more tricks . Log off traps must be ruled out, in some way, too. Thats fair for me and i'm understanding that for you too. If your enemy brings only 2 frigs and flies away doesen't mean it's unfair. Just that you didn't take the measures and let them flee. If they jump to a safespot, yes. I'd just say farewell, good luck, and keep an eye on EVE now and then . For EVE Devs, maybe those problems must be solved, or they are going to feel, slowly, the pressure of the new games coming.
Bele gorri	Posted - 2004.11.20 21:51:00 - [108] I think it's good to make such announcements, even if they are very bad for the morale of the rest of the players. Devs should know why ppl leaves, and the rest of the players too, esp with such clear and respectfull posts like this. EVE is, still , a "State of the art" game (no laughs please). Many ppl will try new games. I myself tried Guildwars, only to realise how great it was. I tested an "Alpha" with less bugs than EVE in 1 year.Saw their wonderful graphics, played and enjoyed with a body i could see moving (no pics).Realized though too how limited it was and knew i would be bored in few weeks. All the reasons you give are important, but From all of them the last one is for me the most important. Safespots must end , no more tricks . Log off traps must be ruled out, in some way, too. Thats fair for me and i'm understanding that for you too. If your enemy brings only 2 frigs and flies away doesen't mean it's unfair. Just that you didn't take the measures and let them flee. If they jump to a safespot, yes. I'd just say farewell, good luck, and keep an eye on EVE now and then . For EVE Devs, maybe those problems must be solved, or they are going to feel, slowly, the pressure of the new games coming.
Naglfar	Posted - 2004.11.21 16:21:00 - [109] Well, I beta tested WoW for over 6 months and I¦ll admit that it¦s an awsome game. However, I got seriously bored with it after around 3-4 months. What I personally felt that the game is no challenge at all (completely unlike EVE). I reached high level in no time, had an easy time with all the quests I had to do and almost never got killed (and with the non existent death penalty, who cares). WoW feels like a sandbox to me... a fun sandbox, but that only lasts for so long. If you¦re a powergamer then it¦s very likely that you¦re going to get very quickly bored with it.
Naglfar	Posted - 2004.11.21 16:21:00 - [110] Well, I beta tested WoW for over 6 months and I¦ll admit that it¦s an awsome game. However, I got seriously bored with it after around 3-4 months. What I personally felt that the game is no challenge at all (completely unlike EVE). I reached high level in no time, had an easy time with all the quests I had to do and almost never got killed (and with the non existent death penalty, who cares). WoW feels like a sandbox to me... a fun sandbox, but that only lasts for so long. If you¦re a powergamer then it¦s very likely that you¦re going to get very quickly bored with it.

RagnarH	Posted - 2004.11.22 01:50:00 - [111] Edited by: RagnarH on 22/11/2004 01:56:29 Originally by: Dreez Thx for turning my "im leaving post" to a ****ing between WoW and EvE. And Foyle, once i leave i wont come back . ahh yes u will but if not...then it was honor to fly with you (well, I can't believe we didn't) and have all the best in life...and remember, the grass is never greener on the other side....remember that when u feel tired playing WOW GL n HF in life salutes* This char is perm banned on forums :S
RagnarH	Posted - 2004.11.22 01:50:00 - [112] Edited by: RagnarH on 22/11/2004 01:56:29 Originally by: Dreez Thx for turning my "im leaving post" to a ****ing between WoW and EvE. And Foyle, once i leave i wont come back . ahh yes u will but if not...then it was honor to fly with you (well, I can't believe we didn't) and have all the best in life...and remember, the grass is never greener on the other side....remember that when u feel tired playing WOW GL n HF in life salutes* This char is perm banned on forums :S
Fabster	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:29:00 - [113] Edited by: Fabster on 22/11/2004 12:40:57 Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. Couldn't argee with you more.
Fabster	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:29:00 - [114] Edited by: Fabster on 22/11/2004 12:40:57 Originally by: DirtyHarry Originally by: darth solo Originally by: Civiare as for WOW, i have no idea what that even is, is it worth a look?. wouldnt mind a wee change. i imagine many of us will meet in quite a few online games in the future. luck. d solo. I played the beta of WoW, and imo its not worth the time, the lack of death penalty (except damaging your items that can be easily repaired) makes the game lack any excitement for killing or being killed. Also Quests are about 90% of the games content for lvling, and that gets old after 2 weeks, its a real nice game as far as design goes but it gets old quickly. Couldn't argee with you more.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:37:00 - [115] I just want to cast spells though Stan I have this fascination about playing with my wand and EVE doesnt satisfy that need Im gonna buy WoW I think and give it a whirl. I dont have time to chain spawn butterflies all day everyday though and have no joy in fighting some asian uber bot so no doubt I'll cancel the WoW subscription after a month So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.
Estios	Posted - 2004.11.22 12:37:00 - [116] I just want to cast spells though Stan I have this fascination about playing with my wand and EVE doesnt satisfy that need Im gonna buy WoW I think and give it a whirl. I dont have time to chain spawn butterflies all day everyday though and have no joy in fighting some asian uber bot so no doubt I'll cancel the WoW subscription after a month So HMV consider Andy Williams and Dean Martin to be "easy listening" do they? Tell that to my mate Dave, he's been deaf for 20 years.


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