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Cowardly Sniper	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:15:00 - [151]
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:28:00 - [152] Edited by: Shawshanke on 09/01/2010 23:28:55 Hulkageddon crashed eve, it was just to much evil in 1 place at 1 time. Edit: page 6, i win eve again.
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.09 23:38:00 - [153] Edited by: Zill on 09/01/2010 23:39:09 Insurance needs to be removed, make gankers lose just as much if they want to kill ppl where there is no risk to themselves. It's Darkfall online mentality. No risks to themselves as long as they can gank. CCP will nerf highsec we know they will. Hell Jihad from GF was done with skill an really fun with it, an CCP trashed highsec cos of it. This **** is 10 times worse, what do you think they are gonna do now :)... an they are well aware of it. Take out all insurance so if one these "elite pvpers" trys to kill someone he dies too. Ganker to suffer instant -5 per kill an no insurance. EvE is meant to be about consequence.....Give them one.
Lithalnas Amarr Warsmiths Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:03:00 - [154] Originally by: Zill Edited by: Zill on 09/01/2010 23:39:09 Insurance needs to be removed, make gankers lose just as much if they want to kill ppl where there is no risk to themselves. It's Darkfall online mentality. No risks to themselves as long as they can gank. CCP will nerf highsec we know they will. Hell Jihad from GF was done with skill an really fun with it, an CCP trashed highsec cos of it. This **** is 10 times worse, what do you think they are gonna do now :)... an they are well aware of it. Take out all insurance so if one these "elite pvpers" trys to kill someone he dies too. Ganker to suffer instant -5 per kill an no insurance. EvE is meant to be about consequence.....Give them one. Hey look its Zill again. You are wrong and I can prove it: Your reference "Darkfall online" and make the connection that ganking is the bane that has killed that game. (1)Your are incorrect because Eve has always been relatively lawless and suicide ganking rampant. (2)Eve has also been in existence for many years all the way back to 2003, eve, and its suicide gankers predate Darkfall, I also think that Hulkageddon 1 predates Darkfall. (3)Eve online had its most recent max concurrent player count of 54k player online LAST WEEK, which means eve is most definitely dieing. -------------
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:05:00 - [155] This thread is still going? WTF?!?!?!! What happened to my AF boost?
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:16:00 - [156] lol show me where I said eve was dieing ?.. I said its the darkfall mentality, where none wanted to take a risk but crowed about their pvp skills while killing a defencless person with 30 guys.
Neyro7830 Gallente The 5th Freedom Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:21:00 - [157] Originally by: Zill lol show me where I said eve was dieing ?.. I said its the darkfall mentality, where none wanted to take a risk but crowed about their pvp skills while killing a defencless person with 30 guys. You mean the blob mentality. I have news for you. That has been going on for as long as there has been PVP combat. Darkfall didn't create it, and EVE certainly didn't create it.
Lithalnas Amarr Warsmiths Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 00:26:00 - [158] Originally by: Zill lol show me where I said eve was dieing ?.. I said its the darkfall mentality, where none wanted to take a risk but crowed about their pvp skills while killing a defencless person with 30 guys. Are we not entitled to unfair fights by inviting friends in a massively multiplayer game? -------------
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.10 01:13:00 - [159] again with putting words in my mouth lol. I never mentioned fair fights To me a fair fight is the one I win. I dont care how its done as long as I win. But ganking a retriever with 4 tempests then actually bragging about it is just teen schoolyard BS.... As for the blob thing, no eve didn't invent it, I saw it back in the days of Asherons Call 1 10 years ago. But myself Ive been a stealther in every MMO I play, to me I pick my fights as an when I choose. I do it though without heavy hardware, I don't use a tempest to swat a retriever. I use an SB, which means that miner has every chance of getting away or kicking my arse if I'm an idiot. Duck hunting with 20mm DU rounds isnt hunting..
Lithalnas Amarr Warsmiths Privateer Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 01:50:00 - [160] Originally by: Zill Edited by: Zill on 10/01/2010 01:17:25 Edited by: Zill on 10/01/2010 01:16:29 again with putting words in my mouth lol. I never mentioned fair fights To me a fair fight is the one I win. I don't care how its done as long as I win. But ganking a retriever with 4 tempests then actually bragging about it is just teen schoolyard BS.... As for the blob thing, no eve didn't invent it, I saw it back in the days of Asherons Call 1 10 years ago. But myself Ive been a stealther in every MMO I play, to me I pick my fights as an when I choose. I do it though without heavy hardware, I don't use a tempest to swat a retriever. I use an SB, which means that miner has every chance of getting away or kicking my arse if I'm an idiot. Duck hunting with 20mm DU rounds isnt hunting.. Thats all this hulk gank is, duck shooting with arty. Your just looking for tears an hopefully ppl to leave the game so you can crow that you single handed made some kid leave the game. That isn't pvp its exploiting the mechanic that has a huge hole in it. One that CCP will undoubtably fix The only problem here is people whining on the forums, and if you would join a corp thats at war with me we can fix that. Its not an exploit, there are exploits such as the moon mineral bug, this is the way the game was built and intended. You are explicitly allowed to suicide gank. My proof is that there have been numerous CONCORD buffs over the years but the ability to suicide in high-sec has never been banned/forbidden/disabled. -------------
Jintra Jin'tak	Posted - 2010.01.10 09:28:00 - [161] Miners will be posting in C&P for the first time. Apart from that, nothing will happen. Hulkageddon takes ISK out of the game and therefor counters inflation (tiny impact, but heck, IMPACT!) and gives a push to producers of both the Exhumers AND the ships used for suicide ganking. 1 mil that the loudest whiners will be macro miners. :)
Jarnis McPieksu Insidious Existence RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.10 11:37:00 - [162] Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 10/01/2010 11:38:15 Originally by: Jintra Jin'tak Hulkageddon takes ISK out of the game No. It adds more ISK. I suggest you read up a bit on economics and how EVE game mechanics work. Each ship going boom and giving insurance (even low like on a Hulk) is an amount of ISK directly injected to the game. This ISK comes out of thin air. The ship that went boom did not require ISK to make - it required minerals, moon materials, datacores... granted, a lot of ISK changed hands between players during the process that turned moongoo and minerals into a Hulk, but when you go through all the steps, at no point ISK was paid to a "black hole" to create the Hulk. Only "sinks" on the way are POS fuel bits that are purchased from NPCs, factory rentals and sales taxes. These are just a fraction of the total. On a fundamental level, bunch of stuff players extracted from the game world turned into ISK through a great number of steps - but the actual ISK appeared only when the ship exploded. The ISK that came out of thin air when a ship went boom goes through player trading to miners, builders and traders. Do your part for the sake of the economy - suicide gank a Hulk today!
genette devo Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:16:00 - [163] Originally by: Archangel17 Originally by: Lana Torrin Originally by: Harrigan VonStudly Learn something about pvp to protect yourself and HTFU. All these greifers should learn something about mining TBH.. Cant mine, so you kill.. I hate to break it to you, but it requires no skill at all to mine. I used to mine and mission run and I can tell you I would have quit long ago had I not been introduced to pvp. Miners are usually just too afraid to pvp so will never become good at it. nothing like the skill it takes to attack unarmed ships, both suicide ganking requires the same level of skill as mining...they are both shooting at something that can't shoot back. I do find hulkageddon funny. one one hand you have the rage of miners, and on the other you have halfwits strutting around like they're delta force because they can pop easy targets. the current crop of gankers might succeed themselves out of business i could see ccp "rebalancing" high sec to keep the majority happy
Broken Spanner	Posted - 2010.01.10 12:21:00 - [164] I'm stocking up on empty bottle to store the sweet sweet suicide ganker tears, when Eve fixes insurance.
Jintra Jin'tak	Posted - 2010.01.10 13:55:00 - [165] Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu Each ship going boom and giving insurance (even low like on a Hulk) is an amount of ISK directly injected to the game. This ISK comes out of thin air. The ship that went boom did not require ISK to make - it required minerals, moon materials, datacores... granted, a lot of ISK changed hands between players during the process that turned moongoo and minerals into a Hulk, but when you go through all the steps, at no point ISK was paid to a "black hole" to create the Hulk. Only "sinks" on the way are POS fuel bits that are purchased from NPCs, factory rentals and sales taxes. These are just a fraction of the total. Didn't take that into account. Thanks for explaining. :)
Sophia Fine	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:23:00 - [166] What I think would be a nice solution is for concord to be the only NPC's ingame that pod and add 2 instalocking ships to each responsefleet. It's normal for the police to upgrade their procedures every now and then so why not in EVE, especially when the "criminals" are taing over. Anyone who gets concorded will still have a small window to escape in their pod. But it might reduce the average highsec pirates a bit since they are as carebear as most others and don't want to risk their sexpensive implants or fly around for days/weeks on end with reduced training while ganking. And no I'm not a miner at all, have 0 miningskills and even had this thought long before Hulkageddon II. /me dons flame******ant suit and laughs. Fine LotteryÖ.
Maistro	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:52:00 - [167] But seriously, what is stopping one alert person from RRing here?
Hulkageddon Jackpot	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:53:00 - [168] Originally by: Broken Spanner I'm stocking up on empty bottle to store the sweet sweet suicide ganker tears, when Eve fixes insurance. Hey genius, maybe we want that?
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2010.01.10 14:53:00 - [169] http://www.eveonline.com/council/transcripts/2009/CSM_CCP_Meeting_3-6_09_2009.pdf On page 15 it states that CCP is planning on reworking insurance for suicide ganking and T2/T3 ships. No ETA is given so I'm guessing we will see it in about 5 years. Carry on ganking
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.11 19:44:00 - [170] Edited by: Mendolus on 11/01/2010 19:45:15 Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu Edited by: Jarnis McPieksu on 10/01/2010 11:38:15 Originally by: Jintra Jin'tak Hulkageddon takes ISK out of the game No. It adds more ISK. I suggest you read up a bit on economics and how EVE game mechanics work. Each ship going boom and giving insurance (even low like on a Hulk) is an amount of ISK directly injected to the game. This ISK comes out of thin air. The ship that went boom did not require ISK to make - it required minerals, moon materials, datacores... granted, a lot of ISK changed hands between players during the process that turned moongoo and minerals into a Hulk, but when you go through all the steps, at no point ISK was paid to a "black hole" to create the Hulk. Only "sinks" on the way are POS fuel bits that are purchased from NPCs, factory rentals and sales taxes. These are just a fraction of the total. On a fundamental level, bunch of stuff players extracted from the game world turned into ISK through a great number of steps - but the actual ISK appeared only when the ship exploded. The ISK that came out of thin air when a ship went boom goes through player trading to miners, builders and traders. Do your part for the sake of the economy - suicide gank a Hulk today! T1 and T2 provide the same insurance payout. An arbitrary amount of minerals can produce more T1 than T2. Let's assume for argument's sake that minerals have an intrinsic and fixed value via insurance payouts that are seeded by the game. If more T1 ships are destroyed while insured you inject MORE ISK into the game. If more T2 ships are destroyed while insured you inject LESS ISK into the game. T2 ships have a poor mineral to currency conversion rate via insurance payouts. Suicide ganking T2 ships REMOVES ISK from the game. Suicide ganking T1 ships ADDS ISK to the game. If we wanted MORE ISK in the game we would suicide gank only T1 ships. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Kessiaan Minmatar Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.11 19:56:00 - [171] Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/01/2010 19:56:39 While personally I'm having a lot of fun with Hulkageddon (hell I even got into a video that I can shamelessly plug here!), I think anyone who believes there will be no reaction from CCP once this is all over is kidding themselves. 1000+ exhumer kills in the span of a week in highsec is going to provoke some sort of reaction.
Guardian 1O5	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:05:00 - [172] Originally by: Slimy Worm Edited by: Slimy Worm on 08/01/2010 05:33:37 I hope they just do away with insurance (EDIT: I forgot to clarify "when you get CONCORDed"). It doesn't make sense for the SCC to pay it back when you lose it through getting CONCORDed. But I doubt they'll nerf maneuverability of people with low sec status while in highsec. They've never lowered a player's stats based on his or her security status before. Plus the lowsec pirates would be in an uproar because it would make it artificially difficult for them to fly small, fast ships to other pockets of lowsec. Aw poor lil low sec piwats, fright! shock! horror! that they might get their movements westwicted, for beeing wealy wealy bad, or gasp, or maybe penalised for being piwats in the 1st place.
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:10:00 - [173] Originally by: Kessiaan Edited by: Kessiaan on 11/01/2010 20:07:12 While personally I'm having a lot of fun with Hulkageddon (hell I even got into a video that I can shamelessly plug here!), I think anyone who believes there will be no reaction from CCP once this is all over is kidding themselves. 1000+ exhumer kills in the span of a week in highsec is going to provoke some sort of reaction. Like I pointed out: insurance IS going to get reworked, it will NOT be in favor of suicide gankers but since there is no ETA on that reworked insurance you can prolly keep ganking for free for at least a year :P
Kessiaan Minmatar Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:17:00 - [174] Originally by: Dariah Stardweller Like I pointed out: insurance IS going to get reworked, it will NOT be in favor of suicide gankers but since there is no ETA on that reworked insurance you can prolly keep ganking for free for at least a year :P They can nerf insurance all they want - fully fit suicide dessies cost less than a million ISK each and a gang of 5 can alpha an untanked Hulk. Nerfing insurance would give pause to the soloers in suicide BS but the organized gangs would barely notice.
Dariah Stardweller	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:24:00 - [175] Originally by: Kessiaan They can nerf insurance all they want - fully fit suicide dessies cost less than a million ISK each and a gang of 5 can alpha an untanked Hulk. Nerfing insurance would give pause to the soloers in suicide BS but the organized gangs would barely notice. I know, but suicide ganking is often done solo cuz ppl are bored. After hulkageddon I don't expect mass destroyer gangs much. Other than insurance I don't think CCP will do much. And certainly not short term.
Mendolus Aurelius Federation Apotheosis of Virtue	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:26:00 - [176] Edited by: Mendolus on 11/01/2010 20:28:30 I highly doubt insurance will get reworked in that way, as there is still the lingering question of why an NPC pirate faction would NOT support (insure) and condone (reward) infiltration gangs in Empire via the RP. It is highly likely that they would implement faction allegiance as a sort of proxy FW so that insurance payouts would be valid along those lines, before they would just simply hit all insurance with the nerf bat. It is more likely they'll further restrict pilots by security status as they have already done once in the fairly recent past. The most I could ever see them doing about insurance payouts is not letting outlaws insure ships, period. But that's a stretch in and of itself. {...and they will respect a line drawn in the sand more than forgiveness}
Dacryphile	Posted - 2010.01.11 20:43:00 - [177] I can easily see CCP changing insurance to no pay out to concord killed vessels. But like has been said, finding a good hulk to kill would still bring profit to 6 catalyst gankers, insurance or no. Originally by: Doc Robertson ...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
Leocadminone	Posted - 2010.01.11 23:30:00 - [178] Originally by: Dacryphile I can easily see CCP changing insurance to no pay out to concord killed vessels. But like has been said, finding a good hulk to kill would still bring profit to 6 catalyst gankers, insurance or no. There was a CCP Dev announcement over a year ago that Concord Kills would no longer get insurance payment as some point in the future - still hasn't happened yet, but it SHOULD and is overdue. On the other hand, if someone SMART at CCP was monitoring what happens to folks that get ganked, I suspect they're be a bit less happy than you might think over this - I personally know 2 folks that QUIT EVE over getting ganked for no reason by Hulkageddon participants, and I suspect there are more than that. As far as it's effects on the economy - very minor. Prices blipped due to speculation Friday and Saturday but are right back down to where they started or essencially so now. The kill rate bragged about by Hulkageddon BARELY manages to match an average sales day at Jita - if they keep up their current rate, their total bag MIGHT equate to an average Jita sales week. I'm pretty sure one dead TITAN eats more minerals. 8-P And yeah, yanking insurance isn't going to have a major effect on the DD gank gangs. it WOULD largely eliminate the Battleship solo gankers, but those aren't as common.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.01.11 23:36:00 - [179] For the umpteenth time, I created hulkageddon and I think insurance after death concord needs to be removed. there you go, straight from the horse's mouth.
Liang Nuren The Lollypop Factory	Posted - 2010.01.12 00:32:00 - [180] Originally by: Helicity Boson For the umpteenth time, I created hulkageddon and I think insurance after death concord needs to be removed. I'd say that nobody consistently suicide ganks purely for the lulz, but maybe this event proves otherwise. It would not be catastrophic to remove insurance for being CONCORDODEKKONED. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org

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