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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.04.11 11:06:00 -
[301]
 Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Varo Jan
One Stop is running fine, tyvm. Now run along and troll somewhere else.
Care to explain how, when you're looking at 8b+ interest and only reportedly making 8b? Surely you expect the business you bought to pay for itself? Unless your mates must step up and save you every time?
Ok - now I understand why you couldn't grasp the rather basic meaning of my questions about EBANK. You clearly do have genuine problems with reading comprehension. You have repeated yourself three times now, making a point that has no connection to reality. Varo has clarified the language you might have initially misunderstood, yet you keep covering the same ground.
Can you at least try to substantiate one of your statements? Any one would be fine. Can you point me to a post that states that One Stop only makes 8 bil a month (hint: in the post where Varo mentions 15bil, the key word is "exceed")? Can you provide any evidence that the business is not able to pay for itself? Can you support your statement that Varo needed "saving" when I contacted him out of the blue and asked him if he would be willing to take on the sales side of my business so I could free up some time?
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.11 15:16:00 -
[302]
Originally by: Varo Jan
5. I have not yet released accounts for One Stop - so nobody is in a position to claim that profits were less or more than expected.
I guess we'll wait till then to see what happens, but your statement regarding the 15b could only be interpreted one way.
Originally by: RAW23
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
Nice attempt to try and make this about me; but as you can see I'm not the only one that had an issue with what Varo posted.
I can also talk semantics about wordplay, "exceed 15b" or "exceed 100b"; guess there's no difference if we play it the way you two want to. "15b" was used for a reason, and logical deduction took us to 8b profit.
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SetrakDark
DarkCorp Holdings
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Posted - 2010.04.11 15:25:00 -
[303]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
"15b" was used for a reason, and logical deduction took us to 8b profit.
...or 14.999b profit.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.04.11 16:56:00 -
[304]
Edited by: RAW23 on 11/04/2010 16:57:15
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Varo Jan
5. I have not yet released accounts for One Stop - so nobody is in a position to claim that profits were less or more than expected.
I guess we'll wait till then to see what happens, but your statement regarding the 15b could only be interpreted one way.
Originally by: RAW23
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
Nice attempt to try and make this about me; but as you can see I'm not the only one that had an issue with what Varo posted.
I can also talk semantics about wordplay, "exceed 15b" or "exceed 100b"; guess there's no difference if we play it the way you two want to. "15b" was used for a reason, and logical deduction took us to 8b profit.
Ray, your comments make little sense and show that you do, in fact, have little grasp of semantics. Varo set himself a target of 15bil a month. He then announced that with a new 7bil income stream he will, for the first time, exceed that target this month. That means he was earning less than 15bil before. It does not mean he was only earning 8bil before. You are right that "15bil" was used for a reason; it was used because that was the target he had set and that he was announcing breaking. Your suggestion that "it can only be taken one way", with that way being a statement that One Stop was only earning 8bil is simply incorrect. Not only can it be taken in other ways but also it should not be understood the way you insist on reading it. That you persist in reading it in this way even after Varo has clarified his meaning is, sadly, unsurprising.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:48:00 -
[305]
It's okay, everyone knows I'm an idiot. Varo can prove me wrong when he publishes his financials.
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Ji Sama
Caldari
Tash-Murkon Prime Industries
United Corporations Of Modern Eve
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Posted - 2010.04.11 17:51:00 -
[306]
Im teh boss
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Dzil
Caldari
SafeHouse Investments of Tautology
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Posted - 2010.04.12 18:17:00 -
[307]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
It's okay, everyone knows I'm an idiot. Varo can prove me wrong when he publishes his financials.
Are you assuming he needs to prove you wrong?
Dzil's Corp Sales - 200m |
Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.04.29 21:06:00 -
[308]
April interest payments on the secured bond, the unsecured bond, and the private loan have been made.
Investors should be aware that LadyOfWrath's account is currently inactive. The other two trustees in One Stop, Grendell and SetrakDark, are aware of the situation.
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Transval
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.04.30 02:34:00 -
[309]
Originally by: Varo Jan
April interest payments on the secured bond, the unsecured bond, and the private loan have been made.
Investors should be aware that LadyOfWrath's account is currently inactive. The other two trustees in One Stop, Grendell and SetrakDark, are aware of the situation.
Payment received with thanks.
Nice one Varo
Cheers!
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Grendell
Technologies Unlimited
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Posted - 2010.04.30 06:24:00 -
[310]
Originally by: Varo Jan
April interest payments on the secured bond, the unsecured bond, and the private loan have been made.
Investors should be aware that LadyOfWrath's account is currently inactive. The other two trustees in One Stop, Grendell and SetrakDark, are aware of the situation.
Confirming that LOW's is very busy in rl right now, I've spoken to him via telephone a few times just checking in, so he's alive just very busy.
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DrefsabZN
Caldari
Rage For Order
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Posted - 2010.04.30 13:10:00 -
[311]
For me Varo Jan's financial's are his business provided that the bond payments are met in a timely manner (as they have been from the moment he started). Then Im happy, sure that may not be enough for some people but the way I see it is that if it all goes wrong then there's liquidation as an option but for every payment Im better off.
This is the perfect investment for me as like LoW my personal life is stupidly busy and I don't have the time to play so having a passive income from investment is exactly what I want :)
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
OWN Alliance
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Posted - 2010.05.01 18:20:00 -
[312]
Thanks for payment and keeping us up to date.
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Deuce Bigalo
Minmatar
Hephaestus Industries LTD
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Posted - 2010.05.04 19:56:00 -
[313]
I would like to sell my 1 Share I purchased at 500m. Contact me if interested.
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Murixo
M. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.04 21:55:00 -
[314]
Originally by: Deuce Bigalo
I would like to sell my 1 Share I purchased at 500m. Contact me if interested.
I'll have it.
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Deuce Bigalo
Minmatar
Hephaestus Industries LTD
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Posted - 2010.05.05 10:39:00 -
[315]
I'll sell it to you at 500m. Not looking to make a profit. Transfer isk and I'll post here for Varo to Adjust share holders list.
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Deuce Bigalo
Minmatar
Hephaestus Industries LTD
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Posted - 2010.05.05 14:31:00 -
[316]
Isk Received. Varo Jan, can you plz transfer my 1 share to Murixo.
Thanx.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:41:00 -
[317]
Originally by: Deuce Bigalo
Isk Received. Varo Jan, can you plz transfer my 1 share to Murixo.
Thanx.
Transfers are normally done via Grendell. Nevertheless, I'll amend my list of bondholders once Murixo confirms he sent you the money.
Thank you for investing in my bond, Deuce.
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Murixo
M. Corp
Daisho Syndicate
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Posted - 2010.05.05 15:52:00 -
[318]
Originally by: Varo Jan
Originally by: Deuce Bigalo
Isk Received. Varo Jan, can you plz transfer my 1 share to Murixo.
Thanx.
Transfers are normally done via Grendell. Nevertheless, I'll amend my list of bondholders once Murixo confirms he sent you the money.
Thank you for investing in my bond, Deuce.
ISK sent. Was going to use Grendell but everything had been sorted apparently!
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.05 18:24:00 -
[319]
Investor list for secured and unsecured bonds updated in post 232.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.05.30 19:10:00 -
[320]
Received payment , thanks again varo punctual as allways 
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.05.30 19:13:00 -
[321]
May interest payments on the secured bond, the unsecured bond, and the private loan have been made.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:19:00 -
[322]
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Originally by: Estel Arador
If that's the case, what's the problem exactly?
They seem upset that Varo has friendships and connections which allow him to continue running One Stop even in the face of a drop in core business profits.
Instead of being a smart-mouth on the forums how about replying to the thread on the EBANK forums concerning your now defaulted loan? Three months is long enough to wait for a response from you and you've now joined the illustrious crowd of previous employees that have scammed. Congratulations.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.05 09:35:00 -
[323]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: Packtu'sa
Originally by: Estel Arador
If that's the case, what's the problem exactly?
They seem upset that Varo has friendships and connections which allow him to continue running One Stop even in the face of a drop in core business profits.
Instead of being a smart-mouth on the forums how about replying to the thread on the EBANK forums concerning your now defaulted loan? Three months is long enough to wait for a response from you and you've now joined the illustrious crowd of previous employees that have scammed. Congratulations.
Since you bring this to the public forum in an unrelated thread i feel encouraged to ask you when this loan was handed out and if it was fully collateralised loan since i believe that was the rule ebank set out when redevelopment came of Ebank under your wing.
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:14:00 -
[324]
Originally by: flakeys
unrelated thread
Yah, apologies to Varo Jan for that; but it doesn't really deserve its own thread. Feel free to ask any and all questions in the thread, which contains more information on the default.
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flakeys
DRAMA Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.05 10:16:00 -
[325]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: flakeys
unrelated thread
Yah, apologies to Varo Jan for that; but it doesn't really deserve its own thread. Feel free to ask any and all questions in the thread, which contains more information on the default.
Thank you
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 14:18:00 -
[326]
Originally by: RAW23
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
No apology necessary.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.16 15:32:00 -
[327]
Edited by: RAW23 on 16/06/2010 15:33:09
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: RAW23
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
No apology necessary.
I was waiting for that.
Now, whilst I don't want to start a fight, I would be interested to know which of your statements you think has been vindicated by the figures that have just been released. The claim that One Stop didn't make enough to cover interest payments up to the date of your post without the money from me?
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Ray McCormack
Nordar Innovations.
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:13:00 -
[328]
Originally by: RAW23
I'm having trouble understanding the accounts.
Varo and cosmo discuss it in the financials thread, we don't really need to go into it any further.
But you do raise an interesting point, financials in EVE need to be presented in a much simpler format. While I accept they're a requirement for any business venture, I don't believe they need quite the effort that Varo has put in, nor the complications that arise from going into such detail as proposed by him and Hexxx.
Sure, go for it if that's what gets your goose, but I think its overkill to set such complicated, detailed financials as any sort of standard.
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Varo Jan
Caravanserai Consulting
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Posted - 2010.06.16 16:15:00 -
[329]
@ RAW23 and Ray: Would you do me a favour, please, and take your discussion to the OS Financial Statements thread - if you intend to continue it.
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RAW23
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Posted - 2010.06.16 18:18:00 -
[330]
Originally by: Ray McCormack
Originally by: RAW23
Of course you can't. Your posts attacking other people's businesses are as empty of useful substance as are your posts defending the businesses that you run.
No apology necessary.
Ok - you're right. It appears that no apology is necessary. Profits + transfers > interest payments.
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