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themaker1971 Minmatar BlackSite Prophecy 101010 Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.23 08:08:00 - [1] Hi, I run a Golem and CNR and wonder if the crystal set is worth the ISK. I would only use the full HG as its enough of a downgrade from +4's. Using the LG crystal with only +2 is loo low imo. Anyway, are they handy or VERY handy? Cheers
Jennz	Posted - 2010.01.23 09:08:00 - [2] PVE or PVP? I assume the former. They're useful, but in practical terms unless your ship setups consistently fail to tank L4 missions (which would be some feat in a Golem) then all you're really doing is adding even more tank that isn't strictly necessary, and if this were the case you'd probably be better off reworking your fit. On the flip side having a HG Crystal set could mean for example that you could have a less pimped shield booster and thus be a less gank-worthy target whilst maintaining the same efficiency. Personally I stopped using my HG Crystal set in missions a while ago when I got tired of having 2 points less on all learning attributes. One exception I would make to the above is on the Tengu. Because a Tengu already gets a huge shield boost bonus adding a HG Crystal set just makes it ridiculous. Good for wormholes I would imagine. tl;dr: Yes and no.
Dalts	Posted - 2010.01.23 10:11:00 - [3] Hello, personally my preference on crystals on a bit of a budget is to fit 1 to 4 slots with high grades then low grades in 5 and 6. You'll find that this way the cost is much lower, you maintain +3s for the important attributes, and the boost amount is around 40% so better than most complex shield boost amps. The main idea with crystals for missions is to reduce the slots you use for tanking so you can fit more gank, so they are very handy if you can make use of the freed slots. Ergo this works at its best on a missile ship in a torp setup so you can get another target painter on there.
Liang Nuren Perkone	Posted - 2010.01.23 10:13:00 - [4] It's good if you want to try to fit a second painter on the CNR. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Artemis Rose Sileo In Pacis THE SPACE P0LICE	Posted - 2010.01.23 10:25:00 - [5] I'd say its an absolute waste if you are lvl 4 mission running. You should take +5s instead, and improve your character in more ways than just your wallet. You should have absolutely no issue tanking, even if you need to upgrade to some faction gear to increase gank. *** Currently Playing: Trolls from Outer Space Current Equipment: VISAcard chain mail, +2 Amulet of Epic Whine, Self Banstick +2 WTB: +666 E-peen killboard stats
Tian Nu	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:05:00 - [6] depends... it will free you one slot (you won't use the booster) i guss. but for lvl 4's is not worth in PVP probably yes
Fenren Minmatar Bure Astro Photography	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:37:00 - [7] they are absolutely worth it. they free up more midslots for other things than tank and/or make you less of a suicide target... if you have a lot of skills you want to train the downgrade from 5's to 3's can be a big negative... personally I find it hard to figure what to train next... so it is quite a non-issue.
Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.23 11:55:00 - [8] I prefer +5 set in the hi sec clone. In my opinion crystals are not very sensible investment from the cost/benefit standpoint.
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.23 15:09:00 - [9] I love the HG set with a Maelstrom. With a faction fit you can easily get a 1500dps tank on the lowest resist. Rarely have to fly it like that tho. most of the time it's HG set + Gyro's + TE's + AC's for maximum DPS at range and a decent tank.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.23 17:36:00 - [10] Originally by: Liang Nuren It's good if you want to try to fit a second painter on the CNR. -Liang This..it allows you to have a sufficient tank while clearing a mid for a prop mod or (second) painter. Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?

Zeba Minmatar Honourable East India Trading Company	Posted - 2010.01.23 19:40:00 - [11] The hg crystal set in my mission runner turned faction warriors head have been pretty damn useful so far. So much so that I made a hg slave clone too for the armor tank ships. Gotta love no bubbles in low sec which is what lets you risk them in pvp. Originally by: Patch Notes CCP Tuxford can no longer shut down TQ on a whim.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.01.23 21:55:00 - [12] They're a total waste of isk for anything becides low sec pvp.
Ancy Denaries Forever Unbound	Posted - 2010.01.23 22:08:00 - [13] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac They're a total waste of isk for anything becides low sec pvp. On the flipside, they absolutely rock for low sec PvP :D It's always exciting taking on gangs and see how well you manage. ---- The Demigodess with a Conscience - An EVE IC Blog Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Sprilk	Posted - 2010.01.24 01:00:00 - [14] I run a 3 slot tank on my golem. crystals are needed.
Psychotic Maniac Caldari Head Shrinkers	Posted - 2010.01.24 01:07:00 - [15] Originally by: Sprilk I run a 3 slot tank on my golem. crystals are needed. and tell us. how much train time do you give up to use them? If you are skilling that char. then your 3 slot tank and stupid crystals are costing you perhaps 3m+ sp or 1.5 months of training time over the period of 1yr. You are Genuis for using them just for your Golem.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.01.24 01:13:00 - [16] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 24/01/2010 01:13:35 Originally by: Psychotic Maniac and tell us. how much train time do you give up to use them? When you have 50M SP and don't intend to crosstrain or train caps.... why not? Is it any different than running around in a set of +3s on a 'PVP main' for a year? I'd run hg crystals if it made me more ISK/hr... because ISK is what drives my game these days, not skill points. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org
Sprilk	Posted - 2010.01.24 01:14:00 - [17] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Originally by: Sprilk I run a 3 slot tank on my golem. crystals are needed. and tell us. how much train time do you give up to use them? If you are skilling that char. then your 3 slot tank and stupid crystals are costing you perhaps 3m+ sp or 1.5 months of training time over the period of 1yr. You are Genuis for using them just for your Golem. I have 77M sp.... i did no extra training for my golem and tank when i decided i wanted it.... 77M sp all caldari and missiles (can fly amarr tech 2 for the missile ships, but thats all). How much training did it take you to post like an ass?
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.24 09:32:00 - [18] Originally by: Psychotic Maniac Originally by: Sprilk I run a 3 slot tank on my golem. crystals are needed. and tell us. how much train time do you give up to use them? If you are skilling that char. then your 3 slot tank and stupid crystals are costing you perhaps 3m+ sp or 1.5 months of training time over the period of 1yr. You are Genuis for using them just for your Golem. Some people don't obsess over SP/hour and the likes. Personally I prefer to obsess over EHP and cap... Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?
Leandro Salazar Quam Singulari	Posted - 2010.01.24 09:42:00 - [19] Being at like 60 mil SP and starting to run out of things I actually want to train in addition to not wanting my clone even more expensive, personally I give a flying fart about training speed and of course use crystals, if only low grade ones. Allows use of cheap booster and second painter as already mentioned. (not that I use my highsec clone at all anymore, but in theory...) Though for me a great tradeoff was forgoing the alpha in favor of an attribute implant. The alpha only yields a very small boost bonus anyway, and perception is the most used attribute for most skills I train. So having a +5 there loses me very little of the crystal bonus but gains be the maximum benefit in training time. And if you are reading this, you have arrived at the signature without noticing...
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.01.24 09:52:00 - [20] Very clever Leandro... very clever indeed! -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire www.kwikdeath.org

Carniflex StarHunt Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.24 09:57:00 - [21] It is ofc option to go for 2x +5 for let's say perc + will and plug in the rest of the set. And ofc after approx 35 - 50 mil SP one already has all 'essential' skills and does not fret anymore about sp/hour usually. It is no problem to sit into my pvp clone without any implants at all and see the currently training skill training time jump up a week, will get there eventually anyway and have already L5 skills where they matter.
Sokratesz	Posted - 2010.01.25 09:18:00 - [22] Originally by: Carniflex It is ofc option to go for 2x +5 for let's say perc + will and plug in the rest of the set. And ofc after approx 35 - 50 mil SP one already has all 'essential' skills and does not fret anymore about sp/hour usually. It is no problem to sit into my pvp clone without any implants at all and see the currently training skill training time jump up a week, will get there eventually anyway and have already L5 skills where they matter. What's the net crystal boost if you go for perc and wil +5 ? Want to test a supercap on SISI but don't have one?
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.01.25 09:54:00 - [23] Originally by: Sprilk I run a 3 slot tank on my golem. crystals are needed. I run a 7 slot tank on my Golem, crystals are a great help when I do a bad pull and have 13 battleships trying to kill me. I just love it when I push the shield recharge button and in 4 cycles it goes from oh ****! to full.
Madmi CEO	Posted - 2010.01.25 09:58:00 - [24] As a rule of thumb, going from +5 implants to Crystal (+3) will cost you 14 days extra training on a 6-month plan.
Durzel The Xenodus Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:02:00 - [25] An alternative perhaps is to have a HG Crystal clone on standby for when you want to do missions inbetween PvP (for more ISK for PvP or whatever), you could just jump into the crystal clone, afk tank a few missions for a day, jump back out after 24 hours into whatever and lose perhaps 1-2 hours training time?


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