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Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.25 07:44:00 - [31] Originally by: Zill C&P is notorious for being the schoolyard of EVE My dad can beat up your dad. Nya nya.
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.25 07:44:00 - [32] Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense.
JDawg1290	Posted - 2010.01.25 08:02:00 - [33] Originally by: Ran Khanon Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense. all the same organization really. the techinality is that the division that blows peeps up is called the DED and the part that controls the economic stuff(sales tax, insurance, etc.) is SCC. watch what happens when you suggest the unholiest of all idea of adjusting insurance though :)
Grunanca Final Agony	Posted - 2010.01.25 08:34:00 - [34] Originally by: JDawg1290 Originally by: Nephilius Wow, "JDawg" if that isn't the pot calling the kettle black. How? i didn't use any super-overused meme. PS: i know there are real PvP'ers out there. those who were recently blowing up hulks in catalysts are not them :) PPS: no im not going to stop doing the PS thing. So basically you are telling me that spending a week killing miners mwans that you cannot be a pvper for the other 3 couple of years you spend pvping? You are dumber than your name looks! Please re-size your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.25 08:55:00 - [35] Originally by: JDawg1290 Originally by: Ran Khanon Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense. watch what happens when you suggest the unholiest of all idea of adjusting insurance though :) Yeah but the funny thing is that the ONLY thing on which both ganker and gankee could agree upon in the past Hulkageddon discussions, was an overhaul of insurance mechanics with at least: "No insurance payouts for ships destroyed by concord or ships destroyed by self destruction". And personally I am in favor of a general lowering of insurance payouts on T1 hulls; say up to 70% and an increase of payouts for T2 and T3 hulls to establish the following: - when your ship gets killed you always lose at least something - more incentive to take out T2 and T3 hulls in pvp - you lose a lot when you choose to lose your ship to concord or self destruct it
Adelina Jasna	Posted - 2010.01.25 09:51:00 - [36] Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: JDawg1290 Originally by: Ran Khanon Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense. watch what happens when you suggest the unholiest of all idea of adjusting insurance though :) Yeah but the funny thing is that the ONLY thing on which both ganker and gankee could agree upon in the past Hulkageddon discussions, was an overhaul of insurance mechanics with at least: "No insurance payouts for ships destroyed by concord or ships destroyed by self destruction". And personally I am in favor of a general lowering of insurance payouts on T1 hulls; say up to 70% and an increase of payouts for T2 and T3 hulls to establish the following: - when your ship gets killed you always lose at least something - more incentive to take out T2 and T3 hulls in pvp - you lose a lot when you choose to lose ur ship to concord or self destruct it I reckon the insurance payouts for T1 are is fine but the T2 and T3 payouts need a fix. With a T1 hull in pvp you always lose something when you get blown up namely fits which in most cases cost more than the ship itself unless you cheap fitted it with bog T1 fits. I do dabble in the occasional suicide gank and I'd be fine with not getting paid insurance if I get Concorded or self-destruct.
Phoben	Posted - 2010.01.25 10:32:00 - [37] I see the problem as one of target choice, if the suicide gankers keep ganking virtually anything that moves then however slowly, you will force CCP to act. Its very likely they will act in way which removes the suicide gank completely. On the other hand if the gankers are more selective in their choices and therefore more likely to have higher profits from the gank then in all likleyhood CCP will let it continue as part of the game. i'm all for it, if its done for profit but if its meaningless ganking i see no point to it.
Mutant Caldari Caldari Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.25 11:33:00 - [38] Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: JDawg1290 Originally by: Ran Khanon Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense. watch what happens when you suggest the unholiest of all idea of adjusting insurance though :) Yeah but the funny thing is that the ONLY thing on which both ganker and gankee could agree upon in the past Hulkageddon discussions, was an overhaul of insurance mechanics with at least: "No insurance payouts for ships destroyed by concord or ships destroyed by self destruction". And personally I am in favor of a general lowering of insurance payouts on T1 hulls; say up to 70% and an increase of payouts for T2 and T3 hulls to establish the following: - when your ship gets killed you always lose at least something - more incentive to take out T2 and T3 hulls in pvp - you lose a lot when you choose to lose your ship to concord or self destruct it orly? Links to posts where both gankers and gankees have agreed. The system is fine as is except in the case of T2 and T3 insurance. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://www.wi-alliance.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:05:00 - [39] lol you call free killing for gankers fine ? Funny how your all calling the pve crowd carebears when you wont go near 04 never mind 0.0. Now you want T2 insurance as well. lol never ceases to amaze me this place. You all call people names like your back in highschool, an you are doing exactly what you accuse people who don't give a ** about pvp of doing. Lets make it so there is no risk to using that Rapier to gank in 1.0. Why not go so far as insuring Carriers an Dreads as well. This **hole provides endless hours of entertainment.
Millie Clode Amarr Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:12:00 - [40] Originally by: Zill Why not go so far as insuring Carriers an Dreads as well. Confirming that you so totally can't insure capitals at the moment. That would be unfair as hell, right? ---------- Sig Page 1 Snipah YOU CANT MINE SO YOU KILL
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:14:00 - [41] Edited by: Lana Torrin on 25/01/2010 12:14:31 Originally by: Zill lol you call free killing for gankers fine ? Funny how your all calling the pve crowd carebears when you wont go near 04 never mind 0.0. Now you want T2 insurance as well. lol never ceases to amaze me this place. You all call people names like your back in highschool, an you are doing exactly what you accuse people who don't give a ** about pvp of doing. Lets make it so there is no risk to using that Rapier to gank in 1.0. Why not go so far as insuring Carriers an Dreads as well. This **hole provides endless hours of entertainment. Its always fun to reply to your posts so lets break this down.. First off.. Suicide gankers get a sec hit for their actions.. A pretty big one most of the time. This will mean after they have had their fun and yes, its fun) they have to go live somewhere.. Guess where that is. T2 insurance will help hulk pilots a lot more than gankers. There are thousands of hulk pilots in eve and probably only a hundred people that suicide gank more than once or twice. I for one DONT want T2 insurance but not for this reason. I dont want either T2 or T3 insurance because there has to be some risk in flying them. Then you posts gets a bit strange.. Eve is a PvP game. It always has been and it always will be. I feel you are missing this small bit of information. What happened to my AF boost?
TimMc Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:17:00 - [42] I like this thread
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:17:00 - [43] Originally by: Mutant Caldari Originally by: Ran Khanon Originally by: JDawg1290 Originally by: Ran Khanon Concord is fine. It's the insurance company which makes no sense. watch what happens when you suggest the unholiest of all idea of adjusting insurance though :) Yeah but the funny thing is that the ONLY thing on which both ganker and gankee could agree upon in the past Hulkageddon discussions, was an overhaul of insurance mechanics with at least: "No insurance payouts for ships destroyed by concord or ships destroyed by self destruction". And personally I am in favor of a general lowering of insurance payouts on T1 hulls; say up to 70% and an increase of payouts for T2 and T3 hulls to establish the following: - when your ship gets killed you always lose at least something - more incentive to take out T2 and T3 hulls in pvp - you lose a lot when you choose to lose your ship to concord or self destruct it orly? Links to posts where both gankers and gankees have agreed. The system is fine as is except in the case of T2 and T3 insurance. CBA. Scroll up two posts from yours and you see a ganker admitting that getting no insurance payout for a suicide gank is fine with him/her. Plenty of gankers have said the same in past discussions while plenty of gankees have voiced their outrage over suicide gankers getting full insurance payouts. Look it up yourself ^_^
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:23:00 - [44] I miss nothing, I simply find it funny you want insurance for everything. you lot are ones always touting the harshness of EvE. Yet you want T2 an T3 insurance, an please don't insult peoples intelligence an tell us your doing it for the miners. Thats bull**** :) Lets leave all the rubbish aside for a moment, you are going to tell me that sec hit is akin to loosing 2-3-400 mil isk each day ? Because if you are, then .....well really need to reevaluate your ideas a bit. In all these posts, I have seen not one single answer to why pvpers think they deserve cost free griefing, "and" risk free. Dont tell me I don't understand EvE please, I am fully aware of what Sec loss hit is an how hard it can be to get rid of. You are making isk hand over fist getting sec back We both know that. Forget the childish insults for a min an try an discuss things with maturity, because I quite seriously would love to know the reasons.
Haramir Haleths Caldari Nutella Bande	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:32:00 - [45] Be sure ..... without screwed Insurance mechanic, Hulkageddon did never happen
Lana Torrin Minmatar Republic Military Skool	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:33:00 - [46] Originally by: Zill I miss nothing, I simply find it funny you want insurance for everything. you lot are ones always touting the harshness of EvE. Yet you want T2 an T3 insurance, an please don't insult peoples intelligence an tell us your doing it for the miners. Thats bull** :) Ok, go back and read it again. Don't skim this time. Originally by:** Zill Lets leave all the rubbish aside for a moment, you are going to tell me that sec hit is akin to loosing 2-3-400 mil isk each day ? Because if you are, then .....well really need to reevaluate your ideas a bit. Ok, and this was not bought up to be 'oh look.. 0.1 sec is directly worth 1 billion isk so we are loosing heaps' type of bull****.. You said suicide gankers wont go in to lowsec or 0.0.. How do you think they get their sec back up to do it again? Magic fairies? What happened to my AF boost?
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:37:00 - [47] they go there to get sec because they ahve no choice, but they only gank in highsec, because its easy an safe... that is what I meant. An ok, maybe I was taking a shot at them for telling us we are the care-bears, when its them who dont fight others in 0.0 etc... anyway all that aside. Honestly tell me why it is Gankers deserve free from cost/risk killing soft targets in 0.5 to 1.0
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:42:00 - [48] Edited by: Malcanis on 25/01/2010 12:42:42 Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: A thuggish looking man walks into your house, and grabs your $1000 TV and takes it out into your lawn. He stands there, staring menacingly at you. You try to confront the man, physically, and he pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains out. The Result:The police rule it was your fault for trying to take your stuff back. dumbass. Situation: A man follows you around aiming a gun at your head. You try to disarm him as you do not feel comfortable with him following you. The Result: as soon as you confront the man the police drive up and shoot you. Situation: The police send a letter stating that your neighbor may attack you in any way they please starting in 24 hours for the duration of a week. Result: Your neighbor mortars your house. nobody attends your family's funeral because you deserved it. sound like a police force anyone else can think of? So what you're saying is that you're surprised that a far-future hypertechnology police force who deal with unbelievably wealthy immortals who are allowed to own eg: personal capital ships, and who control vast star empires act in a rather different way from the police who keep order in a 21st century western suburb? Why are you surprised?
Mutant Caldari Caldari Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:43:00 - [49] Originally by: Zill lol you call free killing for gankers fine ? Funny how your all calling the pve crowd carebears when you wont go near 04 never mind 0.0. Now you want T2 insurance as well. lol never ceases to amaze me this place. You all call people names like your back in highschool, an you are doing exactly what you accuse people who don't give a ** about pvp of doing. Lets make it so there is no risk to using that Rapier to gank in 1.0. Why not go so far as insuring Carriers an Dreads as well. This **hole provides endless hours of entertainment. You whine a lot and your posts consist of moronic ranting along with a lot of assuming. All of my kills HAVE been in 0.0 and low sec due to the fact I haven't been to high sec on this character in well over 3 years. Now then could you please go back to highschool yourself and actually learn proper English? I realize its not everyone's first language but god damn. Yeah I am a pirate. What are you gonna do about it? http://www.wi-alliance.com/killboard/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678 http://roadkill.igs-corp.net/?a=pilot_detail&plt_id=32678
Relettov	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:47:00 - [50] Zill, why don't you just put your standardized rant in your signature? Your arguments never change, no matter what people say. So, why bother typing out the same stuff in every single post you make?
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:47:00 - [51] If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain form wasting my time. You call discussion whining, explains alot. Being that I am dyslexic I don't make apologies for my spelling nor my grammar if you cant handle that I don't much care.
Discrodia Gallente Green Peace Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.25 12:53:00 - [52] Originally by: Zill If you don't have anything constructive to say please refrain form wasting my time. You call discussion whining, explains alot. Being that I am dyslexic I don't make apologies for my spelling nor my grammar if you cant handle that I don't much care. Oh snap we've been arguing with someone mentally handicapped. BTW OP your opening post was comic gold. Originally by: CCP Zymurgist Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
Harotak THE FINAL STAND	Posted - 2010.01.25 13:10:00 - [53] Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: A thuggish looking man walks into your house, and grabs your $1000 TV and takes it out into your lawn. He stands there, staring menacingly at you. You try to confront the man, physically, and he pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains out. The Result:The police rule it was your fault for trying to take your stuff back. dumbass. 1. Move to Texas 2. Buy shotgun 3. ???????????? 4. Profit
Tuberider Caldari Pothouse Cartel IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:30:00 - [54] Originally by: Haramir Haleths Be sure ..... without screwed Insurance mechanic, Hulkageddon did never happen How much ya willing too bet ? Thanks for Your Stuff
Kikkoman6 Amarr Terrenus Arcanorum	Posted - 2010.01.25 15:31:00 - [55] Originally by: Zill In all these posts, I have seen not one single answer to why pvpers think they deserve cost free griefing, "and" risk free. Dont tell me I don't understand EvE please, I am fully aware of what Sec loss hit is an how hard it can be to get rid of. You are making isk hand over fist getting sec back We both know that. It sounds like you haven't had to grind back up your sec status before. If you do not join a 0.0 alliance because you want to stay with your friends you either have to sneak into someone elses territory and rat while hunted or try to rat off of the few rats you can find in lowsec. The real issue here though is that we can't wardec our neighbors IRL. Lets stop all this dribble and focus on what matters people!
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:30:00 - [56] Give me a call when IRL police starts driving spaceships
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:51:00 - [57] Originally by: Zill Honestly tell me why it is Gankers deserve free from cost/risk killing soft targets in 0.5 to 1.0 Because they pay money to CCP to play Eve.
Stratio Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:52:00 - [58] Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: The police send a letter stating that your neighbor may attack you in any way they please starting in 24 hours for the duration of a week. _____________________ For Tribe and Honour!
Guillieme Lohran	Posted - 2010.01.25 16:58:00 - [59] Really?
Paknac Queltel Standards and Practices	Posted - 2010.01.25 17:37:00 - [60] Since these faulty comparisons are really starting to bore me... Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: A thuggish looking man walks into your house, and grabs your $1000 TV and takes it out into your lawn. He stands there, staring menacingly at you. You try to confront the man, physically, and he pulls out a shotgun and blows your brains out. The Result:The police rule it was your fault for trying to take your stuff back. dumbass. Invalid argument. Here's the situation: You dumped garbage from your car. Another guy (thuggishness is irrelevant) comes along and puts it in his car. You shoot at this guy with your dashboard-mounted weaponry, or you send your AI-controlled mini-cars to chase after him and shoot at him, and he shoots back. Next time, take the time to think about if what you're dumping is garbage. Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: A man follows you around aiming a gun at your head. You try to disarm him as you do not feel comfortable with him following you. The Result: as soon as you confront the man the police drive up and shoot you. Don't shoot at someone who has a gun to your head. Originally by: JDawg1290 Situation: The police send a letter stating that your neighbor may attack you in any way they please starting in 24 hours for the duration of a week. Result: Your neighbor mortars your house. nobody attends your family's funeral because you deserved it. In this case, both you and your neighbour are considered sovereigns. As such, you have a responsibility for your own defense. You think the rest of Europe went online and whined on the forums when Germany declared war way back when? Originally by: JDawg1290 sound like a police force anyone else can think of? The UN comes to mind. Please realise that as a capsuleer, you're member of a group so elite that every single member could be considered to be their own nation. You're not John Doe from down the street being harrassed by the loud neighbour with the gun.

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