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Windryder Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:27:00 - [511] Ummm sorry to throw some facts into the bull**** but... When BoB lost sov it was 100% and would have taken a week to get cynojammer protection back and jump bridges up again. Also would have been a minimum 23 hours to get basic sov back again. With the alliance gone standings would be shot and other problems would be confounding things. Now Goons lost sov... it was not entire regions - go look at the maps. It was 10-15% tops. It was also ONLY one corporation within the alliance, and occurred at exactly 60 days from dominion. Thats 2 bill cycles afaik. With the new sov mechanics, it takes the TCUs 8 hours to online, upgrade levels don't decay immediately, so JBs and cynojammers could be back up in under a day. BoB lost 100% coverage for a week, and their enemies knew it was coming. Goons lost 15% coverage for 8 hours, and no-one knew it was coming. The two events are barely comparable.
boliano Caldari Archangels Assault Force Legion of Honor	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:31:00 - [512] Edited by: boliano on 27/01/2010 00:31:47 Originally by: BondGamer I don't think a lot of people understand the situation. It took BOB well over a month to lose all their space when their alliance disbanded. We lost it within hours. There wasn't even a chance to defend. Great job CCP. Lol so not paying ur bills has somehow become ccps fault?? ooh page 18
Anitta Blake Caldari Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:31:00 - [513] "give them enough rope and they'll hang themselves" Rolling Stone
Perfections Curse Gallente e X i l e	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:44:00 - [514] ... Linkage Karma is a *****, aint it?
LegendaryFrog Caldari GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 00:47:00 - [515] Originally by: Windryder Ummm sorry to throw some facts into the bull**** but... When BoB lost sov it was 100% and would have taken a week to get cynojammer protection back and jump bridges up again. Also would have been a minimum 23 hours to get basic sov back again. With the alliance gone standings would be shot and other problems would be confounding things. Now Goons lost sov... it was not entire regions - go look at the maps. It was 10-15% tops. It was also ONLY one corporation within the alliance, and occurred at exactly 60 days from dominion. Thats 2 bill cycles afaik. With the new sov mechanics, it takes the TCUs 8 hours to online, upgrade levels don't decay immediately, so JBs and cynojammers could be back up in under a day. BoB lost 100% coverage for a week, and their enemies knew it was coming. Goons lost 15% coverage for 8 hours, and no-one knew it was coming. The two events are barely comparable. At least you are right about the last bit. The point of the matter is, when BoB's sov dropped, they retained control over all their assets and stations. Within a few hours, IT could take stations and sov, without so much as a single pos to blow up first (we blew up over 500 to take delve, if you recall).
Avernus Gallente Imperium Technologies Sodalitas XX	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:01:00 - [516] I think it's fairly easy to nitpick over who had/has it worse for this particular situation, the two events vary on the negative effects and duration. I think people should focus on a happy middle ground where consensus can possibly be reached... like the fact that several hundred people still can't stop laughing about this.
Zantrei Kordisin Amarr FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:05:00 - [517] Originally by: LegendaryFrog At least you are right about the last bit. The point of the matter is, when BoB's sov dropped, they retained control over all their assets and stations. With this situation (which is completely our own fault), within a few hours, IT could take stations and sov, without so much as a single pos to blow up first (we blew up over 500 to take delve, if you recall). You are right. We're so sorry, thank you for helping us see the error of our ways. We'll be leaving now. We'll give you some time to get your jammers back online and then we can do this all the honourable way. It's the only right thing to do. ________
Fishslapper Caldari ANZAC ALLIANCE IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:15:00 - [518] I love the smell of burning goonies in the morning...
ChYph3r Minmatar Multiplex Gaming Violent Society	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:17:00 - [519] Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin Originally by: LegendaryFrog At least you are right about the last bit. The point of the matter is, when BoB's sov dropped, they retained control over all their assets and stations. With this situation (which is completely our own fault), within a few hours, IT could take stations and sov, without so much as a single pos to blow up first (we blew up over 500 to take delve, if you recall). You are right. We're so sorry, thank you for helping us see the error of our ways. We'll be leaving now. We'll give you some time to get your jammers back online and then we can do this all the honourable way. It's the only right thing to do. ROFLMAO Is it me or does stupidity flow like water threw these forums?
Zeus Carver Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:24:00 - [520] welp!
fugazii Minmatar Priory Of The Lemon Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:31:00 - [521] Originally by: LegendaryFrog Originally by: fugazii Originally by: Vasili Z Originally by: Khara Kleib BoB lost all sov, Goon lost partial sov Whine all you want but to claim you are facing greater difficulties than BoB did back then is laughable. I disagree, BoB got sov back in all their systems when they formed Kenzoku, so they were still able to dock and get their ships and form proper fleets to defend, just lost their cynojammers. Goons on the other hand, cannot dock again or get their caps/ships out to properly defend before 24 hours has even passed. Goons are far more **ed, which is, hilarious. Bob lost all defenses in every single system they had, jb's, cj's ect. Goons have only lost 25% of their territory, meaning they still have full defense capabilities and jb networks in a vast majority of their space. If they're stupid enough to keep all their in 1 system after seeing how well that worked out for BoB in PR then that's noones fault but their own. Sov works a little bit differently now (notice, we can lose many stations in less than 24 hours, this was literally impossible under the old system). Your point is completely valid, there's 2 different systems in place and tbh for both parties in both occasions is .... well it's **ty. Your absolutely right, it only takes 8 hours to gain a system now but what your failing to acknowledge is this system works both ways, yes you can lose it in 8 hours but at the same time you can gain it back in 8 hours. Coupled with the fact that 3/4th of your space is still in tact and wasn't effected by today you'd have to agree that your in a much better position than what BoB had to go through.
Dimitryy Gallente Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:42:00 - [522] I lol'd a bit ------------------------------------------ Jack Blackstone > Dimitryy I hope you die.
JacKDynne Minmatar Fairlight Corp Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:47:00 - [523] Well done IT, well done. I like my bees well done Nom Nom Nom Please resize your signature to the maximum allowed of 400 x 120 pixels with a maximum file size of 24000 bytes.StevieSG
Cynthia Nixon Caldari Altless Green Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:49:00 - [524] Edited by: Cynthia Nixon on 27/01/2010 01:48:55 http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/8467/gng.png
Tobruk Caldari Black Omega Security Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:57:00 - [525] Edited by: Tobruk on 27/01/2010 01:57:49 wha a bunch a hypocrites I had to spend months reading bob tears about the haargoth I win button. How wrong it was, and how it should be fixed etc - Now, here they are, gloating when the same **** happens to someone else maybe goonswarm will get their space RELOADED and IT can make their own threadnought [full circle] ---------------------------------------------- Please re-size your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
Doctor Penguin Amarr Sacred Templars Black Swan.	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:58:00 - [526] Edited by: Doctor Penguin on 27/01/2010 01:58:56 This is kind of funny. Oh wait, no it isn't. I'm forgetting how much Goon trolling has just been made into total jokes thanks to hindsight. Bye bye Goons. Better go up north or east and cry for space again.
Carl Tremura Caldari Ceptacemia Systematic-Chaos	Posted - 2010.01.27 01:59:00 - [527] Originally by: Douglas Pearce Originally by: SirMolle Karma is a *****, aint it? Karma for what? For one of your own directors who disbanded your alliance? This is a bug. Actually when the director who controls the wallet doesnt log in and sort his job, its technically not a bug... its incompetence. There is a difference i think. But you keep believing its a bug if it helps you sleep tonight. Carl Tremura
Zantrei Kordisin Amarr FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:09:00 - [528] Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 27/01/2010 01:57:49 wha a bunch a hypocrites I had to spend months reading bob tears about the haargoth I win button. How wrong it was, and how it should be fixed etc - Now, here they are, gloating when the same **** happens to someone else maybe goonswarm will get their space RELOADED and IT can make their own threadnought [full circle] it's a bit more hypocritical for the goons to be crying about it really but thanks for trying to make a good post you'll probably get there sometime soon ________
Admiral Machiavelli Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:10:00 - [529] So we burned BoB out of Delve, headshotted a few alliances, did some neck-snapping when IT came back poking around 49- again a couple weeks ago... And now this. In the end, what ends the Delve Dream isn't our enemies, or traitors, or spies, or even bugs; it's our own incompetence. Considering this is Goonswarm, that's oddly fitting. In case it hasn't been mentioned anywhere yet (unlikely), Goons are pulling up tents. The loss of our major staging systems means defense of this extremely expensive space is a bad idea at best (it's horrendously draining on ISK post-Dominion and the R64 nerf) and a catastrophe at worst. IT guys reading this are probably going to spin this as some great accomplishment on their part, but don't kid yourselves; this was all us.
Vasili Z Minmatar Cosmic Odyssey BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:10:00 - [530] Originally by: fugazii your in a much better position than what BoB had to go through. I hope goons die more than anyone, but BoB had enough time to form a new alliance, then prepare for the invasion with fleets and getting members in place before the massive cluster**** that was all of Eve came knocking on it's door downing hundreds of POS before they could take any stations because BoB was able to counterspam to stall. Half of goons are logging in to play their daily dose of Eve to find it already too late to even attempt to save the stations because sov is already IT. ------- Going to kill you in Dust 514
Cribb Minmatar Mirkur Draug'Tyr Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:14:00 - [531] This made my day :) So goons had Delve for 5-6 months OMG they just lost EVE ------- When in doubt, play loud
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:16:00 - [532] look at how bitter an angry Molle is over an internet spaceship game. It has consumed his tiny, meaningless life so much, that he's engaged to a girl he met in internet spaceships, and he spends every waking hour trying to kill goonswarm. Hey molle, you still haven't killed us. The first time around, our culture won out and caused your old alliance to disband, then we proceeded to kill your giant space dongue, and take all your space while your alliance sat pitifully camped into an NPC station for a month. In this case we are the victims of our own stupidity. We keep telling everyone how bad we are at this game, but no one seems to believe us. Maybe now they will. And we destroyed your alliance. Twice. What does that say about you?
Zantrei Kordisin Amarr FinFleet IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:19:00 - [533] Originally by: DaiTengu look at how bitter an angry Molle is over an internet spaceship game. It has consumed his tiny, meaningless life so much, that he's engaged to a girl he met in internet spaceships, and he spends every waking hour trying to kill goonswarm. Hey molle, you still haven't killed us. The first time around, our culture won out and caused your old alliance to disband, then we proceeded to kill your giant space dongue, and take all your space while your alliance sat pitifully camped into an NPC station for a month. In this case we are the victims of our own stupidity. We keep telling everyone how bad we are at this game, but no one seems to believe us. Maybe now they will. And we destroyed your alliance. Twice. What does that say about you? I mean this in the nicest way but I think you are probably taking this entire spaceship thing a bit too seriously. I mean, you know, attacking someone's rl is a bit of a sign that you are rather bitter about those space pixels. ________
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:22:00 - [534] Originally by: Zantrei Kordisin Originally by: DaiTengu look at how bitter an angry Molle is over an internet spaceship game. It has consumed his tiny, meaningless life so much, that he's engaged to a girl he met in internet spaceships, and he spends every waking hour trying to kill goonswarm. Hey molle, you still haven't killed us. The first time around, our culture won out and caused your old alliance to disband, then we proceeded to kill your giant space dongue, and take all your space while your alliance sat pitifully camped into an NPC station for a month. In this case we are the victims of our own stupidity. We keep telling everyone how bad we are at this game, but no one seems to believe us. Maybe now they will. And we destroyed your alliance. Twice. What does that say about you? I mean this in the nicest way but I think you are probably taking this entire spaceship thing a bit too seriously. I mean, you know, attacking someone's rl is a bit of a sign that you are rather bitter about those space pixels. hey buddy I'm not the one who spends every waking hour plotting to destroy some internet spaceship guild.
Cheng Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:24:00 - [535] Edited by: Cheng on 27/01/2010 02:26:13 Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 27/01/2010 01:57:49 wha a bunch a hypocrites I had to spend months reading bob tears about the haargoth I win button. How wrong it was, and how it should be fixed etc - Now, here they are, gloating when the same **** happens to someone else maybe goonswarm will get their space RELOADED and IT can make their own threadnought [full circle] You know, what happened to former Bob and what has happened to Goonswarm is not, in any ways, the same... A single person disbanded an alliance with a single click of a button. Goonswarm, however, being the failtards they are, failed to do the simplest of things, that is pay up their bills, well just some of their bills... Different a s s h o l e but same s h i t , ultimately ofcourse. ----
DaiTengu Gallente GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:28:00 - [536] Originally by: Cheng Edited by: Cheng on 27/01/2010 02:26:13 Originally by: Tobruk Edited by: Tobruk on 27/01/2010 01:57:49 wha a bunch a hypocrites I had to spend months reading bob tears about the haargoth I win button. How wrong it was, and how it should be fixed etc - Now, here they are, gloating when the same **** happens to someone else maybe goonswarm will get their space RELOADED and IT can make their own threadnought [full circle] You know, what happened to former Bob and what has happened to Goonswarm is not, in any ways, the same... A single person disbanded an alliance with a single click of a button. Goonswarm, however, being the failtards they are, failed to do the simplest of things, that is pay up their bills, well just some of their bills... Different a s s h o l e but same s h i t , ultimately ofcourse. bob lost delve because someone pushed a button. we lost delve because someone forgot to.
Cheng Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:29:00 - [537] Originally by: DaiTengu hey buddy I'm not the one who spends every waking hour plotting to destroy some internet spaceship guild. u mad ? p.s. plz continue, the tears are delicious! om nom nom ----
Airborne Ninja Minmatar GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:31:00 - [538] YES I AM FULL OF RAGE AND ANGER I SHALL GO KICK MY DOG NOW
Admiral Machiavelli Caldari Merch Industrial GoonSwarm	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:33:00 - [539] Originally by: Cheng Originally by: DaiTengu hey buddy I'm not the one who spends every waking hour plotting to destroy some internet spaceship guild. u mad ? p.s. plz continue, the tears are delicious! om nom nom What tears. I know your life has little meaning outside the confines of spaceship games, but trying to manufacture some kind of satisfaction derived from crying which doesn't really exist is pretty sad.
Cheng Gallente Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.01.27 02:35:00 - [540] OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM ----

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