Originally by: BondGamer

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I don't think a lot of people understand the situation. It took BOB well over a month to lose all their space when their alliance disbanded. We lost it within hours. There wasn't even a chance to defend.

Great job CCP.

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Originally by: Douglas Pearce

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Originally by: SirMolle

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Karma is a *****, aint it?

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Karma for what? For one of your own directors who disbanded your alliance?

This is a bug.

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Originally by: BondGamer

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I don't think a lot of people understand the situation. It took BOB well over a month to lose all their space when their alliance disbanded. We lost it within hours. There wasn't even a chance to defend.

Great job Goons.

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Originally by: kveldulfson

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Meanwhile we will just keep on doing what we are doing

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Originally by: Sir Ector

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As I said in the other thread, and for which I've received not a single rational counter-argument, this is in no way similar to Haargoth turning BoB off.

BoB were hit with a known mechanic, because they left an inactive player with high-level roles, for many months after he stopped playing. Spying, backstabbing, and all other breaches of trust were explicitly and repeatedly stated to be entirely legal in the game's universe. BoB had the tools necessary to stop Haargoth from disbanding them, they just got lazy and didn't manage their players roles.

Goonswarm and several other alliances, on the other hand, do not appear to have had any such option, unless you actually believe that multiple space-holding alliances were all hit by the same type of director mess up at the same time, all on the same week, on the first bill-day after a patch. And if you believe that, well... I got a titan to sell you.

The difference between these two events is clear. BoB had all the resources and knowledge necessary to prevent their disbanding, Goonswarm and other do not appear to have had that.

A lot of you guys on here - IT, -A-, Sys-K and so on, are gloating over this, clapping your hands happily, but you are doing so at the expense of encouraging CCP's continued insistence that it does not have to provide any kind of quality assurance. CCP has, ever more commonly, taken positions on violations of game mechanics that are entirely hands off. Stations miss RF timers, and they do nothing to correct it. Trillions of isk worth of cap ships die without loading or disappearing from space, and they do nothing to correct it. Entire regions drop sovereignty, and they do nothing to correct it.

All the scrapheap-challenge talk about crashing empire nodes means nothing, because on the public forums here, you are supporting CCP's removal from quality assurance of any meaningful type.

Laugh now, cause it's Goonswarm, PL or WI getting ****ed over. Do you expect them to stand with you when some as-of-yet unknown bug results in missing alliance wallets from you guys, when you are all willing to abandon a call for (and I really hate using this word for spaceships) justice?

Sorry for being all serious-post, but this game is increasingly becoming chance-based. Random events happen, undocumented changes destroy hundreds or thousands of hours of work, and CCP, rather than facing any unified criticism from the player base, is able to slink away while all you people cheer on whoever is on the receiving end this time.

It's shortsighted. It won't always happen to your enemies, only.

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