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Fer DeLance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 00:04:00 -
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I see a new thing going on in high sec gank piracy. Swarms of newbies, of less than a month old, (some as new as 15-20 days), flying Maelstroms and Tempests (for the high alpha strike) camping the gates for as long as hey can enter high sec.
When their sec status goes below -5.0 and they can't enter high sec again, i don't see them around anymore. Of course you would say, that since they can't enter high sec, you won't be able to see them again in high sec... correct.
But, why don't they ever manage to fix their sec status? Oh, ok, it's their choice, they might never want to come back to empire again... After all the exitment in high sec, they migh want to live their lives mining in 0.0... (as i was told). Correct...
But then, i have also noticed that most of those players happen to be born on the exact same date, some with only a few minutes difference, and they all happen to join the same corp, on the same day...
I have a video capture showing 9 ppl camping a gate and later a station. One is old character since 2007... One is born on 2010.1.13... and seven (7) are born on 2010.1.10... Coincidence? Right...
I have seen others doing this thing too, this is only the latest example i have. Clearly they are just expendable characters, used up to the point that they are useless, then propably recycled.
Well, ppl, if you are concerned about high sec ganking, have in mind this trick. It's not new, but it's expanding now. They literaly have armies of expendable characters to throw on you. I am not a saint, i would kill anyone, and i like killing gankers too, but this, in my opinion, totally ruins the game, as it has no actuall cost for the gankers. Make character, use it to the point of no return, recycle, make new one repeat. Add to this the fact that insurance covers the lose of the ship, and you can be sure that these characters will shoot you even if you have things of only 50 mils worth in your cargo... They have nothing to loose and they can only benefit.
If you want to know CCP's view on this, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. I have petitioned this some days ago, and they replyed (fast i must say), that expendable characters is not an exploit. So everyone can do this. Be warned. Or even do the same thing if you like... your choice.
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Mara Tessidar
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Posted - 2010.01.29 00:31:00 -
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In before flames.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.01.29 00:41:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Tessidar In before flames.
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Owen Drakkar
DOOMED.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 00:45:00 -
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Ouch.
In after flames?
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Lord Windu
Echelon Solutions Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 01:06:00 -
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In after flames. ------
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Boomershoot
Caldari Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.01.29 01:37:00 -
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Originally by: Fer DeLance Clearly they are just expendable characters, used up to the point that they are useless, then propably recycled.
Bolded the facts
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Anna Lifera
Gallente Domestic Disturbance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 02:48:00 -
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it's not an exploit because these throwaway alts still have to be trained and they're not gonna be 100% effective from day 1, so the more powerful they're required to be, the more time and skillbooks they have to spend to train. and the whole time the alt is being trained, the main cannot be trained unless the ganker buys another account.
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Dian'h Might
Minmatar Cash and Cargo Liberators Incorporated
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Posted - 2010.01.29 03:07:00 -
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Originally by: Fer DeLance Of course you would say, that since they can't enter high sec, you won't be able to see them again in high sec... correct.
Or maybe since they're -5 they can't sit on the gate. So instead they sit in stations until the right moment, and you just don't notice them anymore (unless you happen to be flying an untanked hauler with a billion isk in cargo).
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Banana Torres
The Green Banana Corporation
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Posted - 2010.01.29 04:47:00 -
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If after they have ruined their sec status they are indeed recycled then petition this. Cause it is considered an exploit and the person doing it will get their botties slapped.
My painful rear end is personal testament to this.
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Kalnov
Gallente Problematique Inc.
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Posted - 2010.01.29 05:47:00 -
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Originally by: Banana Torres If after they have ruined their sec status they are indeed recycled then petition this. Cause it is considered an exploit and the person doing it will get their botties slapped.
My painful rear end is personal testament to this.
Then the owner will close the account because not only is the alt recycled, so is the account.
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HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.01.29 12:44:00 -
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Nice write up, would read again.
CCP answered your question as to legality in their game.
I would also like to point out that reclying characters for the following is also legal, and suffers no long term implications for the user: Spying on allainces/corp Smack talking Forum whor-ing Scouting Theft Scamming Baiting Corp Creation for War decing-war dec avoidence and no doubt a multitude of other uses
BUT You could always stress your objection to CCPs polciy for their game with an account cancellation
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Admiral Whatever
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Posted - 2010.01.29 14:38:00 -
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Be warned!!!
Be warned what exactly?
That you can get nuked in high sec? Welcome to EVE bruh.
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Fer DeLance
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Posted - 2010.01.29 15:14:00 -
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Admiral Whatever, I said "Be warned, or do the same". I don't recommend it, i believe it's lame, but since it's ok with the rules, i just inform other ppl that might want to do this, that they can do it...
Highwayman... lol.. "account cancellation"???? With all these fresh newbs around in their noob BSs waiting to be blown in pieces??? Noooo.. I am actually extending my subscrition (which ends sometime in September if i remember correctly). You misundersdud me.
But... since this is a "cost free" tactics, more and more new players will be ganked for less and less iskies, and then THEY might quit. Because a three months old player loosing their assets of 100 mils worth, may quit easier than an old character loosing 1 billion isk.
Banana Torres, you are saying you have already been "punished" for this? It makes no sense, either it was for something else, or there is some sort of confussion about the subject.
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HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.01.29 15:49:00 -
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Edited by: HighwayMan DhD on 29/01/2010 15:51:04 ~I think his issued was with biomassing.
My mining op is in full swing in a 0.4 near you!
EDIT: Appologies FD, i thought yours was a whine post, rather than an information bullitin
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Fearr Dorchaa
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Posted - 2010.01.29 16:55:00 -
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I think this is outrageous !!
If this allowed to go unchecked what else will happen, where will it all end ??
What skill plan are these people following that they can simply roll an alt and within a week be launching hardcore death from the guns of a mighty Alpha Popping Tempest?
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Somali Coastguard Authority
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Posted - 2010.01.29 16:55:00 -
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Edited by: Ifly Uwalk on 29/01/2010 16:55:55
Originally by: Fer DeLance
Banana Torres, you are saying you have already been "punished" for this? It makes no sense, either it was for something else, or there is some sort of confussion about the subject.
Actually I think what BT said is correct. Recycling a char to avoid the consequences of one's actions (i.e. going below -5) is an exploit. I'm pretty sure there was a dev post on this quite some time ago, but cba to look it up.
If I were you, I'd ask to have the petition escalated.
Ifly
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Kerfira
Audaces Fortuna Iuvat
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Posted - 2010.01.29 19:30:00 -
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Edited by: Kerfira on 29/01/2010 19:30:40 Even if it is an exploit (and I think it has been declared as one), it is a silly one....
Say CCP made is so characters with negative sec status couldn't be recycled, then all that would happen is that gankers would simply use new accounts for it. It is quite likely they do so anyway for the 14 days free training... If CCP started punishing people for it, the same thing would happen...
As it realistically can't be enforced, it doesn't matter whether it is declared an exploit. Complaining about it is useless too....
Just remove insurance (completely), and the problem will be solved...
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.01.29 19:37:00 -
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Originally by: Kerfira
Just remove insurance (completely), and the problem will be solved...
Target pool would just be smaller, higher value targets only. Its just a numbers game.
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pewpewpewr
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:00:00 -
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I have an idea to stop it... don't be an idiot and carry around valuable stuff that can get popped by a 2 week old alt.
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Jane Bennet
Caldari Alloyed Tritanium Bar And Grill
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Posted - 2010.01.29 21:06:00 -
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Originally by: HighwayMan DhD Forum whor-ing
Of course you being so versed in rules, you probably knew already that deliberately circumventing the word filters of the forum is against forum rules.
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Fer DeLance
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Posted - 2010.01.31 17:53:00 -
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Ifly Uwalk: I am not planning to escalate the petition, because the answer was straight and clear. Besides i think CCP are supposed to monitor the forums, so if they think they need to change their mind for this subject, they can do it. You are right, i have also read somewhere in the forums that it is an exploit.
Kerfira: You are absolutely right. That is exaclty what is going on. A 60 days subscription is more than enough to train 3 characters, and use them up to -5.0 security, then you don't have to renew the subscrition.
Don't think that this trick only works with Maelstroms and Tempests... a few days old expendable character flying a thrusher can do exactly the same thing, killing shuttles and frigates, for BPOs and implants. Even less days needed for traing for that. I often see that too...
You are also right that it is hard to solve the problem. You see, even if the account that does this trick is banned, you can never know who benefits, as the hauler that scoops the loot, is most of the times in a different corporation from the gankers.
Highwaymen: If target pool gets smaller then it is a good step farward. It would solve the major problem of beeing able to shoot absolutely anyone with no real cost.
pewpewpewr: If that was the subject of this thread do you believe you would have been the first person to reply with those words? We are discussing something else here.
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Le Skunk
Low Sec Liberators
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Posted - 2010.01.31 18:43:00 -
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Edited by: Le Skunk on 31/01/2010 18:45:06 Is the topic about suicide ganking alts, or alts in general.
Whilst I can see why high sec bears would choose to focus on the issue of ganking - I dont think one should pick out high sec gank alts specifically when alts are used in ways I find (but ccp dont) dubious every day in many ways.
For Example:
Every now and then (back when I was active) someone would roll an alt and sit in the system I was camping with the intention of stealing loot from kills we make. You would pod the guy, and he would roll up again in his noob ship several minutes late. We would pod him hundereds of times with no effect.
* Did the user of this char have any intention of developing this character or even training him some skills? No.. no he didnt.
* Did the character even try to warp away to avoid destruction? Often no, they wont even bother (watching TV or doing press ups or something)
In the end it would be boredom that drove him out (its booing enough waiting for the kills, let alone wiatng for the kills without even the fun of combat).
Is this, to my mind, an abuse of an alt. Yes. Just like all the scam alts in jita, who never undock. And the scout alts, whos only role in life is to jump through a gate into a bubble and die in a noob ship - or spy alts, who disapeare once they have been discovered.
Then you get into more grey areas. Pirates hauling alts allow them to avoid the penalties associated with their decision to go outlaw for example. Remote rep alts kept in NPC corps to interfere with high sec war decs. The list goes on.
The simple fact is though that CCP make money out of this, they actively encourage people to run multiple accounts and roll alts through offers like the "power of two" and as long as the characters are not repeatedly biomassed, AFAIK there is no question of any of the above being illegal.
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YARR Trustme
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Posted - 2010.01.31 18:52:00 -
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Someone has a -10 alt... and a nice +0 toon... the nice +0 toon can fly the same battleship as the -10alt. the +0 toon flies to a certain point (gate, station or bunch of miners) bookmarks the location... flies away to a safe spot... the -10 jumps in the system and meets the +0 on the safespot. The +0 gives the bookmark and handsover the battelship. the battleship warps in and kills stuff. this is done by a little amount of people.
The other thing is insurance.. the way the insurance works is just not as it should. Just imagine if you crash your brand new car every 15 minutes... what would you insurance company do? or even better... you are a criminal and the police is constantly blowing up your car...
Normally the criminal would go to jail for some time... and your insurance company wouldnt insure you anymore... at least not under the conditions as they did before.
- 2nd point... ppl are making tradehubs, this is not done by ccp. but over the years Jita changed. ccp even closes the gates sometimes during congestion and removed astroid belts or any other anomalies. So although Jita is a player created trade hub, CCP did interfere. The only possible solution i see to help the trade hub is to make the 3 biggest tradehubs ingame pacified. this will reduce tension on the gates and gives traders (a game ppl play) decent possibilities while ppl can not exploit insurance or lag in those systems. |
Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Somali Coastguard Authority
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:17:00 -
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Originally by: Fer DeLance Ifly Uwalk: I am not planning to escalate the petition, because the answer was straight and clear.
Fair enough but:
Originally by: Fer DeLance Besides i think CCP are supposed to monitor the forums, so if they think they need to change their mind for this subject, they can do it.
At any rate:
Originally by: Fer DeLance You are right, i have also read somewhere in the forums that it is an exploit.
I did do some research (thanks to Chribba and his Eve-Search) and came up with this:
Dev Postage
"Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
And that covers it pretty well imo.
Ifly
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Emperor Serenity
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:26:00 -
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Edited by: Emperor Serenity on 31/01/2010 19:29:42
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
At any rate:
Originally by: Fer DeLance You are right, i have also read somewhere in the forums that it is an exploit.
I did do some research (thanks to Chribba and his Eve-Search) and came up with this:
Dev Postage
"Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
And that covers it pretty well imo.
Ifly
Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing
Originally by: CCP Atropos
Using a displosable alt to bypass the standing penalties is classed as an exploit. If you do this, then delete the alt when it hits -2 and create another, you're avoidning the consequences of your actions, and as such it's an exploit.
highlighted the important part
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GrammarNazi
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Posted - 2010.01.31 19:36:00 -
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Originally by: Fer DeLance ...for as long as they can enter high sec.
Originally by: Fer DeLance ...enter high sec again, I don't see them...
Originally by: Fer DeLance After all the excitement in high sec...
Originally by: Fer DeLance But then, I have also noticed...
Originally by: Fer DeLance ...capture showing 9 people camping a gate, and later a station. One is an old character...
Originally by: Fer DeLance ...are useless, then probably recycled.
Originally by: Fer DeLance Well, people, if you are concerned about high sec ganking, keep this trick in mind. It's not new, but it's expanding now. They literally have armies of expendable characters to throw on you. I am not a saint; I would kill anyone, and I like killing gankers too. But this, in my opinion, totally ruins the game, as it has no actual cost for the gankers. Make character, use it to the point of no return, recycle, make a new one, and repeat. Add to this the fact that insurance covers the loss of the ship, and you can be sure that these characters will shoot you even if you have only 50 mil worth in your cargo. They have nothing to lose and they can only benefit.
If you want to know CCP's view on this, IT IS NOT AN EXPLOIT. I have petitioned this some days ago, and they replied (fast, I must say), that using expendable characters is not an exploit. Everyone can do this, so be warned. Or do the same thing, if you like. Your choice.
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Ifly Uwalk
Caldari Somali Coastguard Authority
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Posted - 2010.01.31 20:33:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Serenity Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
Ifly
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Emperor Serenity
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Posted - 2010.02.01 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
Ifly
Okay so you defenantly dont know what this thread is about, i suggest you throw Fer Delance a convo in game and he can fill you in to why this is NOT an exploit
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Awesome Possum
Underworld Excavators
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Posted - 2010.02.01 00:13:00 -
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Originally by: YARR Trustme Just imagine if you crash your brand new car every 15 minutes... what would you insurance company do? or even better... you are a criminal and the police is constantly blowing up your car...
Normally the criminal would go to jail for some time... and your insurance company wouldnt insure you anymore
Please go die in a fire [ingame] ♥
Wreck Disposal Services |
Fer DeLance
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Posted - 2010.02.01 00:58:00 -
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Originally by: Emperor Serenity Edited by: Emperor Serenity on 01/02/2010 00:18:40
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
Ifly
Okay so you defenantly dont know what this thread is about, i suggest you throw Fer Delance a convo in game and he can fill you in to why this is NOT an exploit
Edit: if you want to know this particular thing has nothing to do with recycling or biomassing none of it takes place Hence NOT an exploit
I never sayed that i think this is not an exploit. I sayed they replyed to me that this is not an exploit. That doesn't mean that i aggree, but i have no other option than to accept it.
And yes, as long as CCP encurages ppl to have 2 or three or four accounts, things like this will keep happening.
Anyway, i can only benefit from it, but it just doesn't feel right.
I leave typo corrections to Grammar**** (had i known you before the exams....)
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Major Stallion
The Dark Horses
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Posted - 2010.02.01 01:21:00 -
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Originally by: Fer DeLance whine whine whine...
you make a "pvp" living off of killing suiciders, i'm not so sure why this bothers you so much?
You're going to need a HELL of alot of proof to say for sure that these characters are intended as "throw away" characters... |
Droog 1
Black Rise Inbreds
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:39:00 -
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Edited by: Droog 1 on 01/02/2010 18:42:14 You can make as many suicide accounts as you want as long as you pay CCP.
You may not make a suicide alt and biomass it to make room for a new suicide alt.
To clarify: There is a difference between biomassing an alt and not renewing an account.
Originally by: Le Skunk
The simple fact is though that CCP make money out of this, they actively encourage people to run multiple accounts and roll alts through offers like the "power of two". SKUNK
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JDawg1290
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Posted - 2010.02.01 18:49:00 -
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"I didn't like the character's avatar." -EVE Forum Poster |
Kerfira
Audaces Fortuna Iuvat
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Posted - 2010.02.02 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
It may be clear as glass, but it's also completely unworkable.....
If CCP started enforcing it, anyone abusing it would just be using a separate account. When all 3 characters on that account was -sec, they'd ditch the account and make another one. Hell, do it once you've used just one char and get 14 days training for free....
The 'exploit' is essentially non-enforceable, which makes it pretty irrelevant....
Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
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The Jam
Amarr Sinner Among Saints Exquisite Malevolence
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Posted - 2010.02.02 03:02:00 -
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Originally by: HighwayMan DhD Nice write up, would read again.
CCP answered your question as to legality in their game.
I would also like to point out that reclying characters for the following is also legal, and suffers no long term implications for the user: Spying on allainces/corp Smack talking Forum whor-ing Scouting Theft Scamming Baiting Corp Creation for War decing-war dec avoidence and no doubt a multitude of other uses
BUT You could always stress your objection to CCPs polciy for their game with an account cancellation
How does CCP measure someones intent on what they bio mass a char for.
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HighwayMan DhD
Highwaymen
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Posted - 2010.02.02 10:35:00 -
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Originally by: The Jam
Originally by: HighwayMan DhD Nice write up, would read again.
CCP answered your question as to legality in their game.
I would also like to point out that reclying characters for the following is also legal, and suffers no long term implications for the user: Spying on allainces/corp Smack talking Forum whor-ing Scouting Theft Scamming Baiting Corp Creation for War decing-war dec avoidence and no doubt a multitude of other uses
BUT You could always stress your objection to CCPs polciy for their game with an account cancellation
How does CCP measure someones intent on what they bio mass a char for.
they check their logs.... oh wai.
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GM Nova
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Posted - 2011.07.08 16:37:00 -
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In order to prevent players from taking actions that might get them into trouble I'd like to address this issue. What is being discussed here is an exploit clear and simple. Lead GM Grimmi has already addressed this matter Here
Originally by: GM Grimmi Hi everybody,
Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple. Using "disposable ships" is not seen as an exploit since all ships ARE disposable, when properly insured.
Exploits are the abuse of game mechanics in ways that were not intended or foreseen in order to gain unfair advantages over others. CCP has to date made arrangements to fix such issues as fast as possible. This, however, takes time and resources to sort out and the proper and perfectly logical solution is to prohibit whatever abuse of game mechanics in question until said issue is fixed.
While some unintended uses of game mechanics may not be classed as exploits they may still be subject to re-design or tuning and we assure you that CCP is working hard on fixing problems with game mechanics as deemed appropriate.
That is really the only straight answer we are able to give you guys on the contents of this thread at this time. There are so many possible scenarios and cases must be evaluated and handled on an individual basis and we simply have to deal with problems as they crop up. The petition system is the way to go about reporting possible issues that may require GM/dev attention so please be sure to file a petition if you think there is a problem. We will then investigate the issue and take the appropriate action.
The matter cannot be more clear and let me assure you this is very much enforceable. Please be sure to adhere to our rules and policies.
Yours, GM Nova |
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Written Word
Written Word's Tax Haven
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Posted - 2011.07.08 18:56:00 -
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Originally by: GM Nova In order to prevent players from taking actions that might get them into trouble I'd like to address this issue. What is being discussed here is an exploit clear and simple. Lead GM Grimmi has already addressed this matter Here
Originally by: GM Grimmi Hi everybody,
Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking or summoning CONCORD for bodyguard duty is that it is an exploit, clear and simple. Using "disposable ships" is not seen as an exploit since all ships ARE disposable, when properly insured.
Exploits are the abuse of game mechanics in ways that were not intended or foreseen in order to gain unfair advantages over others. CCP has to date made arrangements to fix such issues as fast as possible. This, however, takes time and resources to sort out and the proper and perfectly logical solution is to prohibit whatever abuse of game mechanics in question until said issue is fixed.
While some unintended uses of game mechanics may not be classed as exploits they may still be subject to re-design or tuning and we assure you that CCP is working hard on fixing problems with game mechanics as deemed appropriate.
That is really the only straight answer we are able to give you guys on the contents of this thread at this time. There are so many possible scenarios and cases must be evaluated and handled on an individual basis and we simply have to deal with problems as they crop up. The petition system is the way to go about reporting possible issues that may require GM/dev attention so please be sure to file a petition if you think there is a problem. We will then investigate the issue and take the appropriate action.
The matter cannot be more clear and let me assure you this is very much enforceable. Please be sure to adhere to our rules and policies.
Yours, GM Nova
Its not quite :18months: since the last post in this thread. Please un-necro and wait the additional month. |
Ein Phantom
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Posted - 2011.07.08 19:01:00 -
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Edited by: Ein Phantom on 08/07/2011 19:01:18
Originally by: HighwayMan DhD Posted - 2010.02.02 10:35:00
Originally by: GM Nova Posted - 2011.07.08 16:37:00
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Dograzor
The Black Rabbits The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2011.07.08 20:48:00 -
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I knew CCP was working on time dilation, but this is somewhat over the top... Thread gets flagged a year ago, and is lost due to lag? ;)
But anyways, ty for confirming that its an exploit. I do see it still being used.. the usual bunch of apocs with almost identical character names and birthdates hanging around gates. |
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chadbrochill17
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Posted - 2011.07.08 22:38:00 -
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Admittedly, I only skimmed the link in GM Nova's reply. But, there seems to be a lack of an explanation as to what the repercussions might be for taking advantage of this "exploit."
@ OP: If it peeves you that a small group of one month old characters can form a respectable alpha gank squad, you would definitely not have been a fan of the days when you could make a "24-hour hero" alt. for such purposes. But, alas, the days of a new character starting with just shy of 7-digit SP are long gone... |
Lady Spank
Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2011.07.08 23:06:00 -
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Suicide Kessies! |
Velocity Prime
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2011.07.09 05:47:00 -
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I just reported GM Nova's post for being ******ed.
Originally by: "Velocity Prime" This post is a prime example of lackluster performance by the CCP GM team. Thanks for the necro, GM Nova.
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Cliffy Byro
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Posted - 2011.07.09 09:55:00 -
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I haz a fix ccp - Only allow 1 charachter recycle a year |
Gurgeh Murat
Minmatar
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Posted - 2011.07.09 11:16:00 -
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These low skill gank alts arent being trained on someones main account, theyre throway accounts, not characters.
It doesent take the brains of an archbishop to work out the buddy system trick and while CCP are obviously aware of it how much they can actually do about it is a different matter.
51 days of gank alt training. For free. You dont even bother to biomass the character.
As an aside, im in favour of as many hisec gank alts griefing away as the servers can handle. Once enough carebears quit because of it, maybe CCP will do something about the stupidity of the current gank/insurance payout mechanic. Payouts for being concorded? Pffft.... |
Ranka Mei
Caldari
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Posted - 2011.07.09 14:58:00 -
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Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
^^ This. CCP. please act on it. |
Zavulon Sukkot
Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2011.07.12 07:02:00 -
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Edited by: Zavulon Sukkot on 12/07/2011 07:02:37
Originally by: Ranka Mei
Originally by: Ifly Uwalk
Originally by: Emperor Serenity Sorry to dissapoint you but thats only when bio-massing
And the difference between "recycling" and biomassing is what, exactly?
Not that it matters, because the GM sayeth: "Our stance towards recycling "disposable alts" for purposes such as suicide ganking ... is that it is an exploit"
That's as clear as glass. Sorry to disappoint you.
^^ This. CCP. please act on it.
Working as intended. With just spawning a new account, you have to dedicate an account to suiciding. With biomassing a suicide toon, you could keep another character on the account used for other stuff. Of course, this is moot if you make suiciding a career and just keep the -10 character active.
EDIT: Oh yeah, GM Necro, best Necro. NATI. |
Ospie
Ransom and Kill
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Posted - 2011.07.14 11:13:00 -
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Pretty good necro tbh.
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Ed Sullivan
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Posted - 2011.07.14 16:08:00 -
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Holy cow - did I read it wrong or did a GM just pull a necro? Nice job!
On topic: The thing I like about Eve is that your reputation can mean something and there are consequences. If it were up to me (and if it were possible), I'd limit the game to 1 character per human player. Want to be an outlaw? Awesome, live as an outlaw. Want to be a scaredy-pants carebear? Then that's you. It would make the game way better, imho. If you are going to be a bear, be a grizzly. Hiding behind alts just detracts from the fun and immersion. |
NotTheSmartestCookie
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Posted - 2011.07.14 17:44:00 -
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Cleaning yeh olde inbox before going on holidays, eh?
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Ultim8Evil
Ministry Of Eternal Disorder
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Posted - 2011.07.14 20:05:00 -
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