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Aqriue	Posted - 2010.01.30 01:14:00 - [31] you got ganked for faction ammo ? You pirates must be getting desperate. I thought they only went after high value modules or freighters full of T2 ships (seen general freight containers marked "T2 intercept x 48" floating about). I have carried upwards of 150 million in faction ammo (usually stop my spending after 50) a few times down from jita and never got ganked. Last time I was ganked was for a retriever BP copy (they thought it was a BPO, even gave me my stuff back ) when I was a newb auto piloting. never did that again, except in a frig shuttle.
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 01:47:00 - [32] Originally by: Aqriue you got ganked for faction ammo ? You pirates must be getting desperate. I thought they only went after high value modules or freighters full of T2 ships (seen general freight containers marked "T2 intercept x 48" floating about). I have carried upwards of 150 million in faction ammo (usually stop my spending after 50) a few times down from jita and never got ganked. Last time I was ganked was for a retriever BP copy (they thought it was a BPO, even gave me my stuff back ) when I was a newb auto piloting. never did that again, except in a frig shuttle. I have been ganked for 20m worth of faction ammo b4.. a couple of weeks ago actually
Clair Bear Ursine Research and Production	Posted - 2010.01.30 04:45:00 - [33] Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk I have been ganked for 20m worth of faction ammo b4.. a couple of weeks ago actually Making friends and influencing people... May I suggest the following fit for hauling in highsec? Megathron 1x Improved Cloaking Device II 2x LSE II 1x Invuln II 1x MWD II 1x DCU II 2x 1600mm RT plates 2x EANM II 2x expanded cargohold II 3x trimark armor pump This can cloak/mwd trick, haul about 1k m^3 worth of valuables, and with just a hair short of 124,000 EHP is up there with freighters and orcas for # of people required to gank you. I've hauled a bil or two worth of goods with this retrofitted pvp mega just fine. And in summary, bigger blobs are the answer. Now what was the question?
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 05:15:00 - [34] Originally by: Clair Bear Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk I have been ganked for 20m worth of faction ammo b4.. a couple of weeks ago actually Making friends and influencing people... May I suggest the following fit for hauling in highsec? Megathron 1x Improved Cloaking Device II 2x LSE II 1x Invuln II 1x MWD II 1x DCU II 2x 1600mm RT plates 2x EANM II 2x expanded cargohold II 3x trimark armor pump This can cloak/mwd trick, haul about 1k m^3 worth of valuables, and with just a hair short of 124,000 EHP is up there with freighters and orcas for # of people required to gank you. I've hauled a bil or two worth of goods with this retrofitted pvp mega just fine. thx for the suggestion.. but i don't transport small high value items.. Usually just junk and opportunist stuff. Contracts seem to be working just fine atm tho
Dregek Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.01.30 08:09:00 - [35] OMGZ :idea: dont ap with expensive **** lol
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 08:46:00 - [36] Originally by: Dregek OMGZ :idea: dont ap with expensive **** lol OMGZ :idea: read the op.
Jamyl TashMurkon Amarr	Posted - 2010.01.30 10:34:00 - [37] Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk Originally by: Dregek OMGZ :idea: dont ap with expensive **** lol OMGZ :idea: read the op. OMGZ u mad?
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.30 11:15:00 - [38] Anything over 40-50 mil in a T1 hauler is asking for trouble tbh. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 12:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Marko Riva Anything over 40-50 mil in a T1 hauler is asking for trouble tbh. Yes, i know now. I just wanted to point out that even atk hauling is not safe these days. It aint that big a hit and will make it back over the weekend, hopefully. Looking at the gankers kb i could see many ganks over 1bn isk, dont feel so bad after seing them. Infact the ganker seems to have close to a trillion isk worth of kills. Must be damn profitable.
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.30 12:38:00 - [40] It is whistles

Kitaen	Posted - 2010.01.30 14:09:00 - [41] Can't believe people don't hide their cargo. Cargo scanners can only penetrate one layer, so if you put stuff in a can, they can see in the can. If you put stuff in a courier contract, they can see through the plastic wrap. They can't see through both. Have one of your chars make a courier contract to the one hauling, then put the plastic wrap they get inside a can. Cargo scanner will only show plastic wrap.
Thelma Todd	Posted - 2010.01.30 14:46:00 - [42] The first mistake you made was believing that there was worthwhile advice in C&P. But good for you, for having the stones to post the details of your loss. I see no "tears" in this thread.
S3ND3TH Gallente Pilots Of Honour Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.01.30 15:23:00 - [43] first off, pirate is a blanket term for empire people. pirates sit at empire gates and target newer/empire based people. we are not pirates. just because you are empire based and we shot you does not mean you were attacked by "pirates." anyway, you want to not be ganked? NEVER fly a route in anything unless you have scouted it in a shuttle or a frigate. NEVER NEVER NEVER. NEVER fly a hauler without an escort, or at the very least, never fly a hauler holding more than you can afford to lose if you are flying unescorted. NEVER autopilot through low sec or null sec. ALWAYS set autopilot (destination, do not actually let it fly you) ALWAYS check the star maps and go to the statistics and look at "pilots in system last 30 minutes" "pilots docked and active" and "number of ships destroyed in the last hour". look for problems with your route and adjust accordingly. ALWAYS manually warp to each gate. additional rules apply for null sec, but this will keep you from getting ganked as easily. being ganked is always a possibility no matter where you are. NO WHERE IN EVE IS 100% SAFE. P.S. - i think i saw the pilots seat to that iteron in the alliance hangar if you want it back.
Microsoft Sam Pilots Of Honour	Posted - 2010.01.30 18:13:00 - [44] Originally by: S3ND3TH i think i saw the pilots seat to that iteron in the alliance hangar if you want it back. nope it was extra comfy so ive used it in my pirat.. err.. npcing ship
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 18:44:00 - [45] Originally by: S3ND3TH first off, pirate is a blanket term for empire people. pirates sit at empire gates and target newer/empire based people. we are not pirates. just because you are empire based and we shot you does not mean you were attacked by "pirates." anyway, you want to not be ganked? NEVER fly a route in anything unless you have scouted it in a shuttle or a frigate. NEVER NEVER NEVER. NEVER fly a hauler without an escort, or at the very least, never fly a hauler holding more than you can afford to lose if you are flying unescorted. NEVER autopilot through low sec or null sec. ALWAYS set autopilot (destination, do not actually let it fly you) ALWAYS check the star maps and go to the statistics and look at "pilots in system last 30 minutes" "pilots docked and active" and "number of ships destroyed in the last hour". look for problems with your route and adjust accordingly. ALWAYS manually warp to each gate. additional rules apply for null sec, but this will keep you from getting ganked as easily. being ganked is always a possibility no matter where you are. NO WHERE IN EVE IS 100% SAFE. P.S. - i think i saw the pilots seat to that iteron in the alliance hangar if you want it back. Huh? No one mentioned pirates. Scout every gate when flying thru hi-sec? The stuff i loast i could afford to lose, just damn annoying as it's the 3rd time in 3 weeks now and i had though flying at the keyboard i would be fine...I'm still kinda new to all this trading lark so some losses are to be expected i guess. I actually did receive some good advice from this thread and have now sorted my problem out fully, i owe someone in here a favour. Looking at the killboards of the peeps that ganked me, i see now there is no possible way to avoid a competent ganker. Lot's of hi-end t1 indys on there with good tanks and what i assume are 1/2 ATK trips...there killboards show a complete lack of t2 hulls tho so if i ever do have to haul anything worth a lot of isk again it's gonna be in a weeks time when i can fly a BR.
Ravenclaw2kk	Posted - 2010.01.30 18:49:00 - [46] Edited by: Ravenclaw2kk on 30/01/2010 18:50:28 Originally by: Ravenclaw2kk Originally by: S3ND3TH first off, pirate is a blanket term for empire people. pirates sit at empire gates and target newer/empire based people. we are not pirates. just because you are empire based and we shot you does not mean you were attacked by "pirates." anyway, you want to not be ganked? NEVER fly a route in anything unless you have scouted it in a shuttle or a frigate. NEVER NEVER NEVER. NEVER fly a hauler without an escort, or at the very least, never fly a hauler holding more than you can afford to lose if you are flying unescorted. NEVER autopilot through low sec or null sec. ALWAYS set autopilot (destination, do not actually let it fly you) ALWAYS check the star maps and go to the statistics and look at "pilots in system last 30 minutes" "pilots docked and active" and "number of ships destroyed in the last hour". look for problems with your route and adjust accordingly. ALWAYS manually warp to each gate. additional rules apply for null sec, but this will keep you from getting ganked as easily. being ganked is always a possibility no matter where you are. NO WHERE IN EVE IS 100% SAFE. P.S. - i think i saw the pilots seat to that iteron in the alliance hangar if you want it back. Huh? No one mentioned pirates. Scout every gate when flying thru hi-sec? The stuff i loast i could afford to lose, just damn annoying as it's the 3rd time in 3 weeks now and i had though flying at the keyboard i would be fine...I'm still kinda new to all this trading lark so some losses are to be expected i guess. I actually did receive some good advice from this thread and have now sorted my problem out fully, i owe someone in here a favour. Looking at the killboards of the peeps that ganked me, i see now there is no possible way to avoid a competent ganker. Lot's of hi-end t1 indys on there with good tanks and what i assume are 1/2 ATK trips...there killboards show a complete lack of t2 hulls tho so if i ever do have to haul anything worth a lot of isk again it's gonna be in a weeks time when i can fly a BR. I see the pirate comments now, sry, it's getting late here. EDIT - Damn, it is getting late...i thought i pressed edit...not quote :(
Marko Riva Adamant Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.30 19:07:00 - [47] Someone has an odd and mistaken idea of what are and aren't pirates. ----------- I think, therefore I'm single. New projectile damage PDF Alliance creation service
Thanatomania Eternum Noctem Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.01.30 19:45:00 - [48] Blockade runners wont help, we will kill those too.
Ekon Bor Amarr Van Diemen's Demise	Posted - 2010.01.30 20:33:00 - [49] Originally by: S3ND3TH first off, pirate is a blanket term for empire people. pirates sit at empire gates and target newer/empire based people. we are not pirates. just because you are empire based and we shot you does not mean you were attacked by "pirates." I'm confused... - Violencing boats? Check. - Possibility of financial gain for said violencing? Check. - Probably against people who weren't exactly hanging out for pvp at the time, as evidenced by them not being in a pvp ship? Check. Is not pirates how?
Kalnov Gallente Problematique Inc.	Posted - 2010.01.31 00:13:00 - [50] Blockade runners are easy to kill - If you can catch them uncloaked. Use deep space transports. You'll be scanned, and if the gankers bring lots of friends you'll still die, but you'll be perfectly safe from 90% of solo gankers. I'm not sure if you can survive a max skilled tempest/maelstrom gank in .5 though.

Acancagua	Posted - 2010.01.31 01:55:00 - [51] Hell, I've been attacked just carrying 50mil worth of cheap reactants. You have to realize something in Eve. Some people gank, in order to gank. You could have been a random target, they could have picked you out. It's kind of like carjackings in Los Angeles. You don't have to drive a nice car to be carjacked and killed. The moral of the story. PPPPPP. Proper Planning Prevents **** Poor Perfomance. Get a T2 indy. Buy a gun. Learn to use both.
Pirate God	Posted - 2010.01.31 03:29:00 - [52] Originally by: Thanatomania Blockade runners wont help, we will kill those too. No you won't. You can't target it. No bubbles in hisec. show me how.
Thanatomania Eternum Noctem Aeternus.	Posted - 2010.01.31 05:38:00 - [53] Originally by: Pirate God Originally by: Thanatomania Blockade runners wont help, we will kill those too. No you won't. You can't target it. No bubbles in hisec. show me how. 2010.01.17 04:31:00 Victim: High Flyin Corp: 5th Front enterprises Alliance: Chain of Chaos Faction: NONE Destroyed: Viator System: Uedama Security: 0.5 Damage Taken: 4229 Involved parties: Name: Thanatomania (laid the final blow) Security: -1.2 Corp: Eternum Noctem Alliance: Aeternus. Faction: NONE Ship: Megathron Weapon: Anode Mega Neutron Particle Cannon I Damage Done: 2884
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.01.31 07:42:00 - [54] Until the insurance mechanic is balanced, just don't fly industrials, period. You will be ganked empty simply because the asshats have been sitting on the gate for two hours and mommy is telling them its time for bed. So they shoot the next Badger that comes into range just so have have something to brag about the next day. Wait till you are in a blockade runner. Agility rigged, cov ops cloak and with istabs and nanos instead of expanders. And contrary to what Mr. 'we kill Blockade Runners' posted above, it's not likely you will ever even have someone even start a lock on you before you are warping. High or low sec. Really, it's the only way to haul stuff anymore and worth the time it takes to train. Mr Epeen
Fritzman Aliastra	Posted - 2010.01.31 09:01:00 - [55] Edited by: Fritzman on 31/01/2010 09:04:08 Originally by: Mr Epeen Until the insurance mechanic is balanced, just don't fly industrials, period. You will be ganked empty simply because the asshats have been sitting on the gate for two hours and mommy is telling them its time for bed. So they shoot the next Badger that comes into range just so have have something to brag about the next day. Bitter much? Before whining about what suicide gankers do, maybe you should consider it a legit profession in game just as any other? Granted, the insurance aspect needs to be changed so you will get no insurance from actions relating to concord showing up. For me and many others, it's a way to make a living. There's no point in throwing your isk away in ganking empty haulers. Contrary to what everyone seems to believe, it's also not that easy isk after all. It takes a lot of patience to get a target with a high profit probability, very often you need to sit on a gate for 5-10 hours and scan every single ship before something that you can kill and make a good profit out of shows up. Try that for a couple of weeks and let me know how easy it is after all. On top of that, there's the sec status raising grind you have to undergo every couple of weeks just so that you can continue making your living in game. Add to that the growing number of ****ed off pilots with killrights on you that you have to avoid and sometimes lose ships to, and the picture starts becoming more realistic. Easy, huh? No. I've averaged about 1b per kill profit so far from my last 10 kills. I always fit rigs + t2 on my suicide BS, and would have done it even if there was no insurance and the BS cost would be twice as high as it is now. I really hope the insurance gets changed soon, that way people will feel secure about moving in hi sec again with their indies. It will certainly make finding profitable targets a lot easier for me.
Mr Epeen	Posted - 2010.01.31 11:16:00 - [56] Originally by: Fritzman Edited by: Fritzman on 31/01/2010 09:08:37 Edited by: Fritzman on 31/01/2010 09:04:08 Originally by: Mr Epeen Until the insurance mechanic is balanced, just don't fly industrials, period. You will be ganked empty simply because the asshats have been sitting on the gate for two hours and mommy is telling them its time for bed. So they shoot the next Badger that comes into range just so have have something to brag about the next day. Bitter much? Before whining about what suicide gankers do, maybe you should consider it a legit profession in game just as any other? Granted, the insurance aspect needs to be changed so you will get no insurance from actions relating to concord showing up. For me and many others, it's a way to make a living. There's no point in throwing your isk away in ganking empty haulers. Contrary to what everyone seems to believe, it's also not that easy isk after all. It takes a lot of patience to get a target with a high profit probability, very often you need to sit on a gate for 5-10 hours and scan every single ship before something that you can kill and make a good profit out of shows up. Try that for a couple of weeks and let me know how easy it is after all. On top of that, there's the sec status raising grind you have to undergo every couple of weeks just so that you can continue making your living in game. Add to that the growing number of ****ed off pilots with killrights on you that you have to avoid and sometimes lose ships to, and the picture starts becoming more realistic. Easy, huh? No. I've averaged about 1b per kill profit so far from my last 10 kills. I always fit rigs + t2 on my suicide BS. I would keep suicide ganking even if there was no insurance and the BS cost would be twice as high as it is now. I really hope the insurance gets changed soon, that way people will feel secure about moving in hi sec again with their indies. It will certainly make finding profitable targets a lot easier for me. Granted, an insurance change will remove the ones suicide ganking just for boredom, but it will never stop the ones doing it strictly for the profit. Whining...no. Pointing out the reality yes. As for the rest; I didn't see where I said it wasn't a valid mechanic for obtaining a living. And yes, a smart and successful guy like you who makes a bil a gank (lol), would certainly know that there is no point throwing away your money ganking empty haulers. Yet I see not smart people who seem to have a different idea than you what constitutes success, doing it all the time. So stop being all sensitive and whiny that someone is pointing out a flawed mechanic that allows griefing for free, "for the lulz" as a personal attack on the whole profession, please. At least you see the need for removing insurance. That's a step in the right direction. People need to realize that it will, as you stated, work out in favor of the true gankers if it's removed and only adversely affect those using the poor mechanic for greifing. Win/win Mr Epeen
YARR Trustme	Posted - 2010.01.31 15:33:00 - [57] hmm i don't understand. You are trying to fit an armor tank with shield extenders? A badger mark II with some cheap equipment has 13k hitpoints with an avarage of 50% resistance on 90% of those hitpoints. The It mV is the largest hauler but only useful for wormholes or 0.0 mining / pos ops. If you can't afford it or if you dont want spend that much time to fly transports... fly badger mII.
price checkinho	Posted - 2010.01.31 16:19:00 - [58] I love the logic here: Don't haul more than a ships worth of cargo at a time. Risk to ganker is zero. Risk to hauler is whatever is in the bay plus the cost of the ship and fitting minus insurance. High risk for the hauler no matter what scenario is in place. Risk can be eliminated with a scout, but then possibility of profit is also eliminated if there is a camp where you need to be. Again it shows who the true "carebears" are.
Lucas Lucias	Posted - 2010.01.31 19:05:00 - [59] I managed to get a Badger mk II to 13325 effective hp with my main, how the hell do you get one to 16k, could you give me your fitting?
Rafus Viziam	Posted - 2010.01.31 19:41:00 - [60] I'm guessing you got ganked by Chronz, Seph Bloodfield or Capt Goober. Haha.



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