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Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.02.02 20:28:00 - [1] I'd like to publicly announce EVE Trade Master. Its a web based application I've been developing during the past months, build to support players in their trading activities, such as market analysis, assets and order tracking. Shortly after I started playing EVE I became interested exploring the economic aspects of this game and started developing my own set of tools that later turned into what became EVE Trade Master. Application: http://evetrademaster.appspot.com/ Online Help: http://sites.google.com/site/evetrademasterhelp/ Screenshots: http://sites.google.com/site/evetrademasterhelp/screenshots Please feel free to sign up if interested. Due to the way the EVE API is designed, a full API key is required to allow access to trading relevant data of your account. Feedback or questions? Let me know.
Ash Zyron Caldari Innovations and Research	Posted - 2010.02.02 22:43:00 - [2] Any chance of getting the code for this to run on our own webservers? A lot of people aren't comfortable just giving any old website our full API key.
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.02.03 20:06:00 - [3] Getting it to run on "your webserver" would be rather hard because the application is specifically designed for Google App Engine. If I'd distribute it, everyone would have to sign up for GAE and deploy the code base own its own, leaving plenty of EVE trade master instance in the wild that I won't be able to patch or update. Its not making a lot of sense, although I understand if people feel uncomfortable giving away their full key.
Anders1 Volatile Instability	Posted - 2010.02.04 12:03:00 - [4] Wow, this is quite nice! Obviously you've spent a lot of time working on this. Cool, thanks! :)
Tehg Rhind	Posted - 2010.02.15 01:36:00 - [5] After hunting through a number of different tools I can safely say yours is the absolute best for the kind of stuff I do. Fantastic
Ramon Wilco Caldari Psycho Corp	Posted - 2010.02.16 21:01:00 - [6] Well done !! I'm a trader since 2 years in Eve, and now i have the tools to make more profit !!! Great job, and thank you !! Fear your incomprehension, but love the differences. Ramon Wilco
Underlaget Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.02.17 13:23:00 - [7] Does this work with corporate trading as well? I have several traders in one Corporation and all orders are corporate-orders. Does this app provide the same neat functionality for a corporation as well as a single trader account? If not, would this be something you could implement? Looks great otherwise!
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.02.17 22:46:00 - [8] Thanks for all the positive feedback! I'm working on some new cool features that I hope to push out soon. Progress is slow but steady.. As for corp orders thats something I haven't implemented yet, but its definitely on the list. I'd like to do things a bit different with corp data and allow you to share data with other corp members from within ETM. It doesn't make a lot of sense for each trader in your corp to signup and pull the same corp data individually so I'd like to implement some kind of data sharing feature. You'd just need one privileged api key for auto-updating the data and then give access to a list of google accounts owned by your corp mates. How does that sound to you? Are there any other particular features you'd like to see implemented? -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Tehg Rhind	Posted - 2010.02.18 00:50:00 - [9] One thing I love about this is the drill down concept. A place I would suggest applying it to would be with assets, but in a funkier way. Like when I am drilling down to a solar system and see I have a LOT of item X, it would be awesome if I could click that bar and see where else I have item X.
Gunner77	Posted - 2010.02.21 18:43:00 - [10] Would it be possible to have the program look at items and you are both buying and selling have their prices compared? So if I'm buying up all Warp Disruptors at 750k and selling at 900k it would say like 150k\16.6% profit less taxes and broker fees? Perhaps also calculating volume traded into the equation to show how much profit each order is making, in % and raw isk. Other than that, I love the noteworthy section of the orders screen, makes it way easier to tell if one of my buy orders got filled.
Noobious Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.21 19:49:00 - [11] Am interested! Can you allow use to use our own API proxy?
Mr Profitt	Posted - 2010.02.23 11:57:00 - [12] Forgive the question but I cant get it to display any orders, journal etc even though it shows all my characters, am I missing something?
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.02.23 20:26:00 - [13] @Gunner77 I'm currently working on adding another profit calculation variant for the order screen similiar to what you described. Thanks for your input. @Noobious Could you elaborate on why this would be useful? I guess its technically not very difficult, but I don't understand why you would want to use a API proxy with ETM? @Mr Profitt Did you pull in your API data by selecting one of your characters using the pulldown menu on top of the screen or by enabling the auto-update feature? -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Bytestorm Minmatar Marquie-X Corp Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:46:00 - [14] Edited by: Bytestorm on 25/02/2010 00:47:41 I can't delete the data, that had read in from my main-character. I just want my trader's stuff listed. When I click the "Purge data"-function, he says "Deletion of API data has been scheduled..." but then, nothing happens. In between I deleted my API-key and readded it. Now I got a different Account-name for both. Does this matter in this case? P.S.: This (Bytestorm) is the character, whos api-data I wanted to delete. P.P.S.: I also belong to the traders, who only use corp-orders to sell/buy. Account sharing would not be needed for my case. Cause I run this corp exclusivly.
Noobious Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:25:00 - [15] Originally by: Ivy Brookdale @Noobious Could you elaborate on why this would be useful? I guess its technically not very difficult, but I don't understand why you would want to use a API proxy with ETM? Because I have several apps all pulling my API data, and we're limited to 1 request an hour through the official API. Using our custom proxy's allows multiple apps to poll the same data. It should just be a matter of entering your proxy URL (like EVEMon allows). Maybe I should have said "API Provider" instead of proxy? Anyway, thanks for responding!
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.02.28 16:22:00 - [16] Version 0.17: deployed I've added two more profitability calculation options for tracking your market orders. First is based on your own transactions as briefly discussed. If you buy/sell items at the same time this should give you good results. Second is based on eve-central prices. You can now fetch prices for all items that you have orders up and query eve-central for corresponding prices in your trade hub. Hope you like it. @Noobious AFAIK the "1 request per hour" limit is based on API key and IP address. I.e. you should be safe as long as other tools you use don't share the same IP with ETM. @Bytestorm I've done some changes to the character purge feature. Could you give it a try again? -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Valator Uel Caldari D-Stress Ad Astra.	Posted - 2010.02.28 18:32:00 - [17] Originally by: Ivy Brookdale @Noobious AFAIK the "1 request per hour" limit is based on API key and IP address. I.e. you should be safe as long as other tools you use don't share the same IP with ETM. He's not referring to that. What he has, and many others who use multiple tools, is a server that fetches and stores the API data from the official EVE API once an hour. That stored API data can then be accessed by other tools more than once an hour, or more than one tool within the hour at a time. If you have multiple tools using the same API data, with this system you don't have to wait an hour to be able to get the data on the second tool, it all comes from the personal server. The tool looks good but I am having problems with it: 1) The transactions on the google docs updates very slowly. Sometimes I have to wait 20-30 minutes before the data from the tool shows up on the document. 2) The last 150 transactions doesn't show the last 150 transactions. It only shows the last transactions since the previous update. Is this how it is supposed to work? 3) I just started using the tool today (eve time) yet the statistics generated for the last 14 days doesn't show today's statistics in the transactions area. Thanks Quote: Aya > Hostile tcf gang coming to h-pa Deva Blackfire > ships? Ralarina > Yes, in ships
small chimp	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:45:00 - [18] no cross region/system price comparison?
Tehg Rhind	Posted - 2010.03.06 03:39:00 - [19] So, in terms of speed of access for some quick arithmetic this is my number 1 tool, but I still generally just use wallet aware because it gives me a local DB I can do more specific stuff with. Would it be possible to add a function to allow downloads of our database files? I'm not sure how you store them for this app, but if you could do that then it would be fully game over for me, and this would be my bread and butter.
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.03.07 17:19:00 - [20] Currently I'm rewriting much of the code for creating exports to google docs. The google python API for that turned out to be a real pain to use and is giving me a hard time. But I definitely want to make the data export feature more powerful and also like to support market orders and assets. I hope I can finish this next week. It will also depend on how busy I'll be playing FF13 :) @Valator The statistics will be generated every night. Please let me know if that would not be the case with for you. As for the shown entries after an update you're right with your observation. I should probably merge the new entries with the previous list shown but its not implemented yet. Most people prefer to use the auto-update feature so its not top priority. @small chimp You can analyse market logs from different regions and lookup prices in your tradehub that might be in a different region. Buts theres no support for region side by side comparision as in EVE market scanner. This tool seems to work well enough, but its really not my kind of trading style so I rather like to focus on other things in ETM. @Tehg Rhind Are you aware of the data export feature? Would that be sufficient? There are no database files in a classical sense. So the only possible way to allow you to access your data would be some kind of file based export. -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Kelniun	Posted - 2010.03.07 23:33:00 - [21] I'd first like to say that I love this tool, it really is great for the trading I do. Thank you very much for taking the time to make this tool available. I am curious about the section titled "Filled buy orders that have not been reactivated (within last 48 hours)" on the orders page. Either it is not working, or the way I am assuming it works is not correct. I have had a number of buy orders get filled in the few days since I have started using this tool, and yet, the only thing I have seen in the box is "No records found." Being able to determine quickly which orders have expired rather than keeping a manual spreadsheet and going through the entire list each time I check orders is the primary reason that I am looking into other trade tools to supplement yours. Also, would it be possible to allow us to upload the orders export file to supplement the data that is provided by the API? I am not sure if there is any additional information, but at the very least I would find it handy to export the data from eve right after I have made sure all my orders are up to date, and again when I want to check for expired orders, in case any orders have expired since the last time the API data was fetched. Finally, while I love the Orders History graph, I am usually more concerned with the average profit rate of each order. When orders all start at the same time, it is easy to spot the best performing orders, as they are at the top. However, when one gets filled (which the best ones usually do fairly quickly), it drops back down to the bottom and when you have a large number of orders all starting at different times, it is difficult to tell which of your orders are performing well and which aren't. There are many ways to present the profit rate, but personally I would love to be able to select a time period from a drop down box and have a bar graph, similar to the assets graphs, with the estimated profit for each order/item type that I am buying over that period. Thanks again, Kelniun
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.03.08 18:39:00 - [22] Thanks for your feedback, Kelniun! I'm not sure if there's bug with the "filled" orders display. I'd like to rework this part anyway and integrated it with the second "no transactions" table. Also I'd like to add more order states so the list would show: * Filled/Expired * No transactions since 48hrs * No transactions since 24hrs * Low on stock (>90% sold) Any further ideas what states to add? As for uploading your current orders dump that is something I never really thought about. I really need to think about this but I'm not too comfortable using the dump for import along with the API data for a couple of reasons. Maybe it would be useful to use the order dump with the analysis feature as describe above by adding an upload field right next to the "noteworthy" table. It would give you the opportunity to adhoc analyze orders without overloading the data history graph with too much insignificant data as would be if the dump is stored along with api data. Showing the profit rate of your current orders would be nice. I already tried to integrate this in the line chart. I did not get the results I expected from that. However, a bar chart visualization as you described sound promising. I'll give it a try! -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Jae Car'das	Posted - 2010.03.16 16:05:00 - [23] Edited by: Jae Car''das on 16/03/2010 16:05:44 Hi, Great work! I was thinking about writting something like this, you've beat me to it. One question though, when looking at assets, is it me or can I not see inside station containers? (where all my ore and minerals are kept)
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.03.21 14:39:00 - [24] Update 0.18 Replaced the google spreadsheet export with a plain csv export option, now supporting assets, orders, transactions and journal data. Improved order states noteworthy section as described above. Added new chart "profit by type" as discussed. Enjoy. -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Jae Car'das	Posted - 2010.03.22 15:00:00 - [25] Will you be adding the ability to see inside station containers, within the assets section?
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.03.22 19:36:00 - [26] It shouldn't be a big issue, I'll give it a try. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.03.28 14:37:00 - [27] 0.19 is out I've added some support for containers in the assets section. Items will now be visible on station level and can optionally be filtered. I've been thinking about allowing to drill-down into containers from the station level, but decided to just collapse all items into the station level so you don't have to find the right container to drill-down. Unfortunately container names are not retrievable through the API so it would be guess work to pick the right container to view into. -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Kelniun	Posted - 2010.04.01 05:47:00 - [28] Thanks for putting in that bar graph on the orders page, it is a great help for figuring out which orders are doing well. Though we discussed it, I am not sure what assumptions are behind it (e.g. what time period does it look at?), but that's just a quick update to the help page. On another note, I am unfortunately unable to update my assets from the API. It returns an error that reads "Ooops. Returned data exceeding 1MB - aborting." I think you added the error message recently, as before the last update it simply wouldn't do anything. Is it possible to somehow increase the amount of data that can be processed, or download it in smaller, more manageable chunks? I have assets spread out over an entire region, with hundreds of item types per station. Thanks again, Kelniun
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.04.01 12:14:00 - [29] The bar chart shows the total profit over the complete period that is shown in the history graph. Think of it as a summary of the history data grouped by item type. As the shown period isn't that large anyways I didn't bother adding some date based filtering. Is that something you'd like to see added? As for the assets update issue, thats something that is really hard to solve because both of your suggested solutions won't work. Theres a 1MB hard limit of data that I'm able to retrieve through http from external servers in one request. I do have some ideas how to get around this but it needs some work. Until then, there are other great assets management tools around! -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.
Ivy Brookdale	Posted - 2010.04.17 13:12:00 - [30] I've finally managed to work around some of the previous limitations and you should now be able to import data up to 10MB (zipped) through the API, which should be fairly enough even for large asset lists. -- EVE Trade Master - Web based market analysis, asset- and order tracking.

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