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SavageBastard Caldari Igneus Auctorita SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.06 20:52:00 - [31] Edited by: SavageBastard on 06/02/2010 20:53:52 Originally by: Biffa Buttocks As a fairly new player to Eve I'm finding people's reactions to the twists and turns of Bob/IT and Goons confusing. On the one hand with Bob/IT everyone came out in sympathy (even it's enemies) when it hit hard times but now with Goons hitting the dirt everyone is simply laughing and gloating about it. My (maybe naive) conclusion is the resilience of a large alliance isn't in it's size, strength or even the friendships between it's members, it has to be it's image, i.e. how it behaves and how it is percieved by the rest of the community, it's 'brand image' if you like, am I wrong? Btw, I'm making no judgements about IT or Goons, I've honestly had little experience of either... We so badly need and want your sympathy can't you give us just a little? Originally by: Ganymede21 BoB played the game as they should Goons played the forums. I remember hotdropping your posts, apparently.
rmfHorus Gallente AWE Corporation Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.02.06 23:20:00 - [32] Sorry guys but the error here is compare bob to it : and bob it/ to goonswarm. BOB where an elite alliance of the past, that have win for much time thx to theyr coordination , high quality and relatively low number compared to theyr enemy. they lost to a new tactics : swarm tactics. they tried evolve themself and bring more and more pilots but was too late. IT are bob transformed or better adapted to theyr enemys tactics, on a shorter version. IT is a copy of goonswarm tactics simply with better numbers/quality/ and with a much more active player base. as goonswarm defeated in the past bob, on meta tactics, now IT defeat goonswarm on theyr "swarm" tactics. both where victim of evolution.
Ivan Issaccs Caldari inFluX. Legiunea ROmana	Posted - 2010.02.06 23:21:00 - [33] The average Goon is irritating. The average BoB member is unseen until you make the effort to **** in their shoes.
Kushmir Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.06 23:43:00 - [34] Originally by: Ivan Issaccs The average Goon is irritating. The average BoB member is unseen until you make the effort to **** in their shoes. BoB=Goon
Goose Hypocrisy Caldari The Executives IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 00:05:00 - [35] The difference between the two organizations are minimal at best, but they try hard to paint themselves as complete opposites. -clp
Richyp Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 00:44:00 - [36] Originally by: rmfHorus Sorry guys but the error here is compare bob to it : and bob it/ to goonswarm. BOB where an elite alliance of the past, that have win for much time thx to theyr coordination , high quality and relatively low number compared to theyr enemy. they lost to a new tactics : swarm tactics. they tried evolve themself and bring more and more pilots but was too late. IT are bob transformed or better adapted to theyr enemys tactics, on a shorter version. IT is a copy of goonswarm tactics simply with better numbers/quality/ and with a much more active player base. as goonswarm defeated in the past bob, on meta tactics, now IT defeat goonswarm on theyr "swarm" tactics. both where victim of evolution. My eyes, bleeding they are.
Tector Gallente GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 01:18:00 - [37] Edited by: Tector on 07/02/2010 01:18:42 BoB ended because it tried to engage in the meta tactics its allies reviled, only to have the attempt backfire badly. Goonswarm ended because Goons are dumb.
Caleb Fury Amarr Royal Order of Security Specialists	Posted - 2010.02.07 01:41:00 - [38] Originally by: titanstory Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 18:00:06 Edited by: titanstory on 06/02/2010 17:57:46 how many thread about it and goon will you post on caod ? (its not only for you btw) you know what about hem ? nothing so... stop poasting if you dont know anything ty ! Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls. Guess who I rooted for? :) another it/bob alt... Originally by: Jondar Valador Edited by: Jondar Valador on 06/02/2010 15:50:30 I think everyone hates Goons because they can spell. I know I do. e: spellign you know goon ? they'r good alliTs anyway and i love them. goons forever Underlaget is no BoB/IT alt.
Princess Jodi Gallente Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 01:57:00 - [39] Difference between the two? I was willing to kill Bob for free. Even Goon's allies would be willing to kill Goons for free. o7 Goonie brosefs
Hideous Minx Caldari GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 02:11:00 - [40] You're no Pandemic Legion.

laotse Gallente The Flying Dutchmen	Posted - 2010.02.07 02:37:00 - [41] there is no diference goons didnt fly there and it isnt also they are allaince made of air only big on paper
Brodde Dim Gallente Hyper-Nova	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:22:00 - [42] The old BoB was feared in game. And managed to get a lot of enemies. But even with a huge portion of the 0.0 alliances teaming up, they were never defeated. I suppose a lot of people was sympathetic when a bored director decided to disband the alliance because he could. Everyone would have preferred fighting til the end. Goons on the other hand, has never achieved anything in game. They are famous for meta gaming, forum trolling, and taking credit. Well, and being many, and still failing. I think people just expect goons to fail, and expected BoB/IT to put up a fight. I guess you could call it a brand image if you want.
Kushmir Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:30:00 - [43] Originally by: Brodde Dim The old BoB was feared in game. And managed to get a lot of enemies. But even with a huge portion of the 0.0 alliances teaming up, they were never defeated. I suppose a lot of people was sympathetic when a bored director decided to disband the alliance because he could. Everyone would have preferred fighting til the end. Goons on the other hand, has never achieved anything in game. They are famous for meta gaming, forum trolling, and taking credit. Well, and being many, and still failing. I think people just expect goons to fail, and expected BoB/IT to put up a fight. I guess you could call it a brand image if you want.
Jessica Carnius Minmatar Copia-WarRages Armaments Legion of xXDEATHXx	Posted - 2010.02.07 03:33:00 - [44] The biggest difference is simply posting style and how they they recruit that's really it. They have absorbed each others play style over the past few years.
Mystic Turtle Minmatar Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2010.02.07 06:46:00 - [45] Actually the hatred for Goons started when Goons decided to mock a person who died in RL, I cant believe you people never even mentioned that, Bob dont just 'hate' people,.. I tried to find the thread initially where molle got **ed at Goons stupid comments, I also tried to find the thread on gf.com where suas and darius say they need to spend the next few months derailing and stopping people from talking about it,.. NC disliked Bob purely because Vuk has always been jealous of Bob, since they achieved so much and Rawr didnt therefore the NC decided it was best to team up with Goons, TCF at this point was in the south chest beating making it sound like they were useful,.. After a while and after MANY failed invasions in Delve, Bob and AAA went after Goons, TCF within a month get nuked to the North (best fail ever), Goons are reduced to 10 ->> 20 systems (this was about Jan last year),.. Goons then desperately find a way to work with this and they find one of their elite members working with Haargoth in RL, at this point Haargoth has been inactive for months, he then accepts about ú2000 in RL to disband Bob, upon disbanding he then immediately goes inactive, in short Haargoth (including alts) had a total of 1 week play time in 2 years,.. Goons then buy time in their demise and have NC, KIA, ZAF, SPLOT and a ** load of other people to help them take down Bob,.. Bob may have lose its sov but loyality was still somewhat strong, it took upto June 09 before Bob decided theres no point going against 90% of Eden and fall back planning their next move,.. Bob then form as IT alliance and do exactly what was on their agenda, to take out Goons, PL and the other noobs in foutain, Delve, Querious and PB, with the help of allies such as sys-k, aaa, hun, aeturnus, blade etc,.. The battle is too easy, Goons are once again useless, PL caves incredebly fast and now delve is back in the hands of its rightful owner,.. TL;DR Goons mock a dead person, NC likes this and makes the allies, Bob hates this and goes after them, few years later all we have learnt is NC fail, Goons no longer exist along with their crappy allies,..
Koronos Minmatar Interstellar eXodus BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.02.07 07:02:00 - [46] lol @ thread. considered trying to explain things for historic purposes, but this is actually pretty perfect. Originally by: rmfHorus Sorry guys but the error here is compare bob to it : and bob it/ to goonswarm BOB where an elite alliance of the past, that have win for much time thx to theyr coordination , high quality and relatively low number compared to theyr enemy. they lost to a new tactics : swarm tactics. they tried evolve themself and bring more and more pilots but was too late. IT are bob transformed or better adapted to theyr enemys tactics, on a shorter version. IT is a copy of goonswarm tactics simply with better numbers/quality/ and with a much more active player base. as goonswarm defeated in the past bob, on meta tactics, now IT defeat goonswarm on theyr "swarm" tactics. both where victim of evolution.
Zlatorg Caldari Sons of Viagra Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.07 07:24:00 - [47] Both alliances are crap and were formed simply to justify the existence of a lot of ******os that did not get laid in the previous years.
Deviana Sevidon Gallente Panta-Rhei Butterfly Effect Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 07:50:00 - [48] Originally by: Underlaget IT/BOB = Respectable people on forums and in-game. GOONS = Forum trolls. Guess who I rooted for? :) Welcome to EVE, new player. :) You must be very new if you actually believe what you say about BoB and IT. Quote: Disclaimer: All mentioned above contains my opinion and is therefore an absolute truth (for me anyway, my universe, muhahaha.....ok, done
OldPueblo Gallente DarkStar 1	Posted - 2010.02.07 09:09:00 - [49] This is quite a thread.
Nemulus Gallente The Darkness Within	Posted - 2010.02.07 15:57:00 - [50] I would add that the main reason BoB was big news was that they were caught with CCP Dev's in their alliance early on and that has never really left them. Whether they helped to make IT what it is now I couldn't tell you but that's why there was such big news about them imho. Goons may have faults but I've yet to see proof that CCP funded them in anyway. Either way I don't care as every online game I have ever played had the biggest guilds/alliance/players sponsored or friends with the GM/DM/Dev team. Just life in the virtual world :). Nem

Adeptus mecanicus Caldari The Flaming Sideburn's	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:19:00 - [51] Originally by: titanstory Originally by: Mystic Turtle Originally by: bobIT ambition BOB/IT - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as Sys K, Linguini Romania, BLAST, Aternus, -A-, AAA Citizens, UK etc etc. Took space. Goons - Recruited thousands of pubbies with only the faintest grasp of how to play eve, followed by an army of sycophantic pets such as ZAF, KIA, PL, NC. Took space. I fail to see much difference, maybe differing degrees of terribleness. Compare a Goon op with an IT op then you will see a MAJOR difference,.. Its like when you are an IT op you know you are in safe hands, when you are in a Goon op you are wondering why Plague Black sounds so emo,.. IT op : kill and try to never loose ship goon op : loosing ship is fun, and newbs op are very hilarous.. i vote for goon op, sorry explains your progress vs darkside. Recruitment
Liebe DieBombe Minmatar GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:32:00 - [52] Originally by: Mystic Turtle words,.. Beep Beep.
Mystic Turtle Minmatar Trigrams Edge	Posted - 2010.02.07 17:47:00 - [53] Originally by: Liebe DieBombe Originally by: Mystic Turtle words,.. Beep Beep. The main thing you got the signature [,..] thats what counts,.. So like I asked Darius is TE could join SOLIDRAPINGBURNED and he hasnt replied guess he takes this game serious, so I apply to Band Of Brosefs and no reply still, so I apply to PL and no reply,.. Seems like all the reject alliances dont want me,..
Captain ULTIMATE Amarr DarkStar 1	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:30:00 - [54] Let's be honest, the biggest difference between BoB and Goons is Goons are full of fatties whereas BoB is not.
Kushmir Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 19:35:00 - [55] Originally by: Captain ULTIMATE Let's be honest, the biggest difference between BoB and Goons is Goons are full of fatties whereas BoB is not.
Schani Kratnorr Amarr x13 IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.07 21:27:00 - [56] Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 07/02/2010 21:27:16 Originally by: Biffa Buttocks I've honestly had little experience of either... If you really want to know, then you would need to experience both. Alliance mechanics Any comparison must focus on differences. Goonswarm alliance allowed more corporations than IT has or Band of Brothers did. The only disadvantage I can think of, is how coordination might have been adversely affected by the mess of "too many directors." As it turned out however, the Goonswarm name was lost to an old alliancekiller - betrayal. The posts... Goonfleet and their swarm adopted a certain posting style, and for that they have been despised. Band of Brothers were despised because their posting members revelled in envy. They played or asumed the role of "arrogant and evil," and for that they were despised and hated. After claiming victory over the Evil BoB, many goons went out of their way to gloat, and appear arrogant and evil. Slowly forum sympathy for their organisation evaporated - it seems no one likes gloating... (a lesson well worth remembering.) Why it is funny Goons falling on their asses, loosing their alliance name, their space and their assets is very amusing. It is amusing because that is exactly what a lot of people found amusing about the way Band of Brothers lost their name. It is perhaps even more funny because people remember the goons gloating a whole lot about how 'they alone killed bob.' Subtly forgetting their allies and the fact that they did not in fact 'kill bob,' merely took space from them. When it comes down to it, it is all semantics. We can discuss and argue forever, but perhaps the difference can be illustrated by a quote. From an anonymous source: Quote: I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache!
Kushmir Amarr GoonWaffe SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 22:28:00 - [57] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr Edited by: Schani Kratnorr on 07/02/2010 21:27:16 Originally by: Biffa Buttocks I've honestly had little experience of either... If you really want to know, then you would need to experience both. Alliance mechanics Any comparison must focus on differences. Goonswarm alliance allowed more corporations than IT has or Band of Brothers did. The only disadvantage I can think of, is how coordination might have been adversely affected by the mess of "too many directors." As it turned out however, the Goonswarm name was lost to an old alliancekiller - betrayal. The posts... Goonfleet and their swarm adopted a certain posting style, and for that they have been despised. Band of Brothers were despised because their posting members revelled in envy. They played or asumed the role of "arrogant and evil," and for that they were despised and hated. After claiming victory over the Evil BoB, many goons went out of their way to gloat, and appear arrogant and evil. Slowly forum sympathy for their organisation evaporated - it seems no one likes gloating... (a lesson well worth remembering.) Why it is funny Goons falling on their asses, loosing their alliance name, their space and their assets is very amusing. It is amusing because that is exactly what a lot of people found amusing about the way Band of Brothers lost their name. It is perhaps even more funny because people remember the goons gloating a whole lot about how 'they alone killed bob.' Subtly forgetting their allies and the fact that they did not in fact 'kill bob,' merely took space from them. When it comes down to it, it is all semantics. We can discuss and argue forever, but perhaps the difference can be illustrated by a quote. From an anonymous source: Quote: I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache! Rifters at 30km on the Jita 4-4 undock.
Rikeka Amarr Eye of God	Posted - 2010.02.07 22:58:00 - [58] Edited by: Rikeka on 07/02/2010 23:00:47 I like the bobbits more nowadays. They toned it down a lot in CAOD lately, kudos to them. But only a short time ago they were just like the Goons are now (that is, CAOD spamming ****s). Well, maybe not that bad. But to go as far as say that the bobbits are the "good guys"... Nah --------------------------
Nobani Minmatar Merch Industrial SOLODRAKBANSOLODRAKBANSO	Posted - 2010.02.07 23:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Schani Kratnorr From an anonymous source: Quote: I tell you it is hell being on Team Speak with Goons. They all talk **** constantly and now I have a headache! I know he has a lot of alts, but DaBigRedBoat is not the entire alliance.
General Windypops Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.07 23:40:00 - [60] Indeed, the historically definining traits of Goons vs Bob are: - Goons created forum signatures to mock the death of a R/L BoB player - Bob declared war on Goons in protest as CCP didn't prevent it - Many years passed where BoB stood against huge numbers of blob enemies - Goons paid off BoB director with R/L money to disband the alliance - BoB took 6 months off to regroup as IT and attacked PL, Goons greatest allies - PL folded and retreated within 2 weeks - BoB/ IT launched offensive against Goons, Goons disbanded within 24 hours - IT claimed all Goon / PL space Twitter:@genrlwindypops



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