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Alice Lidell
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:03:00 -
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I'm noticing that no one ransoms anymore. I made the noob mistake of flying my hawk in lowsec without a warp stabilizer or any ECM (not nec, just a personal pref), and lost it after about 2 hours of ratting. When I tried to hail the person, and then people attacking me, I was ignored. Is ransoming deemed unprofitable these days, or have we shifted to the epeen stroking that is posting your kills?
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Persephone Astrid
The Bastards
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:06:00 -
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It was just your bad luck not to be ambushed by proper pirates. Proper pirates who ransom do still exist.
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Alice Lidell
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:12:00 -
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Well, I certainly feel better knowing it was just a stroke of bad luck, rather than the loss of "proper" pirates. Nothing against getting my ship blown up, I just like "proper" pirates more. Aside from keeping your ship, the conversations can usually be pretty entertaining.
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Lana Torrin
Minmatar Republic Military Skool
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:14:00 -
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You can pay the ransom to me if you want? I promise I wont forum pod you after getting the isk.
Lana's new bounty system. |
gpfault
NQX Innovations
HYDRA RELOADED
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Alice Lidell
I made the noob mistake of buying a hawk
Fixed.
Originally by: Persephone Astrid
It was just your bad luck not to be ambushed by proper pirates. Proper pirates who ransom do still exist.
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Alice Lidell
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:23:00 -
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What's wrong with the hawk? I'm guessing you have nothing against assault frigates, just that my factional choice was a bad one in your opinion.
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Fumitsugu
Deep Core Mining Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 08:39:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Lidell
What's wrong with the hawk? I'm guessing you have nothing against assault frigates, just that my factional choice was a bad one in your opinion.
The Hawk is widely perceived as being one of the least useful ships in the game.
And ransoming is still practiced by a fair few pirates, I just do not know what percentage, or how many will honour them (which is the critical thing in your case, after all.). Then again, ransoms aren't alway offered, it can be impractical.
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Daemonspirit
Redhawk Tribal Trust
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Posted - 2010.02.11 09:24:00 -
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Originally by: gpfault
Originally by: Persephone Astrid
It was just your bad luck not to be ambushed by proper pirates. Proper pirates who ransom do still exist.
http://www.the-bastards.com/ransom/
The Bastards honor all ransoms. That doesn't mean that they will always offer one.
ôEveryone has a right to be stupid; some people just abuse the privilege.ö |
XenosisReaper
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Posted - 2010.02.11 09:51:00 -
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The Hawk is pretty much useless until CCP get around to either the roflket fix, or the AF AB boost...in fact most AF's are overpriced for what they do, and can be beaten by pretty much anything aside from T1 frigs, In packs they are quite effective however.
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Maximus Trollus
Amarr
The Village Idiots
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Posted - 2010.02.11 10:51:00 -
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seems like a fair amount of people are playing "killboard online", which resembles "eve online" a bit, but its got more of that "look at mah peen, it's huge !!!" feel to it...
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:07:00 -
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We mostly stopped ransoming when everything caught in a belt became a FW blob baitship.
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Grunanca
Final Agony
B A N E
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:12:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Lidell
I'm noticing that no one ransoms anymore. I made the noob mistake of flying my hawk in lowsec without a warp stabilizer or any ECM (not nec, just a personal pref), and lost it after about 2 hours of ratting. When I tried to hail the person, and then people attacking me, I was ignored. Is ransoming deemed unprofitable these days, or have we shifted to the epeen stroking that is posting your kills?
We always ransom pods if local is not too bussy. Problem with ship ransom is:
1. You can still shoot back
2. Usually only people with expensive loot pays up, might have made just as much popping the person
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DeathStar
Digital assassins
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:41:00 -
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Originally by: Grunanca
Originally by: Alice Lidell
I'm noticing that no one ransoms anymore. I made the noob mistake of flying my hawk in lowsec without a warp stabilizer or any ECM (not nec, just a personal pref), and lost it after about 2 hours of ratting. When I tried to hail the person, and then people attacking me, I was ignored. Is ransoming deemed unprofitable these days, or have we shifted to the epeen stroking that is posting your kills?
We always ransom pods if local is not too bussy. Problem with ship ransom is:
1. You can still shoot back
2. Usually only people with expensive loot pays up, might have made just as much popping the person
3: PPL use a ransom convo to buy enough time to either get help or SD
P.S, Hiya grun 
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.11 12:48:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Lidell
I'm noticing that no one ransoms anymore.
Is this one isolated incident or have you lost multiple ships to pirates without a single ransom offer?
Originally by: Alice Lidell
I made the noob mistake of flying my hawk in lowsec without a warp stabilizer or any ECM (not nec, just a personal pref), and lost it after about 2 hours of ratting.
2 hours in lowsec ratting is pretty good going. Next time, watch local and watch your directional scanner
Originally by: Alice Lidell
When I tried to hail the person, and then people attacking me, I was ignored. Is ransoming deemed unprofitable these days, or have we shifted to the epeen stroking that is posting your kills?
Not everyone offers a ransom. Just because some corps offer a ransom doesn't mean everyone does. We only ransom pods most of the time, since people tend to have the mindset that their ships are free etc cos they mine minerals themselves and build their own ships or modules etc. No one makes their own implants ! That way you get both the killmail and any loot on board, plus ransom for the pod. Win-win-win situation tbh.
Originally by: salva dore
Cloak should not be AFK solution.
What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Yesh
SandStorm.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 14:34:00 -
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OK, so the warp core stab bit makes me think troll, but otherwise you make a valid point.
The problem is that most ransoms that people are willing to pay aren't that much. For one, the ransomee, quite reasonably, thinks the pirate may not honour the ransom and so makes a calculated decision on how much they are willing to risk with a ransom offer. Considering the amount of blob baits or people who try to stall whilst they can either run back to the gate or call for support it is no wonder many pirates go for my next point ....
Secondly, the pirate can make a decent return simply from the dropped loot ... fittings and cargo ... when I used to pirate the most common smack was 'oh you only pick on noobs in haulers, you cant pvp, why dont you fight in 0.0 like real man' etc etc. Truth is, when I pirated it had nothing to do with PVP. It was all about ISK. If I was a mugger in real life I would not try to mug the guy built like a brick ****ter holding a knife .... oh no ... I would steal the life savings from the frail old granny. Luckily this is just a game so that's OK. I'm nice in RL.
So I blew up lots of haulers and defenceless bears. Lame yes, but one was chock full of morphite, others had a T2 ships in them, a shuttle got caught in our gate camp and dropped a quality NYX BPC, a ratting destroyer got popped with a large faction tower BPC in its hold.
My point is, why ransom a hauler or shuttle for mere pennies when the loot they may drop could be worth billions. And if I did happen to catch your hawk .... how much would you be willing to pay for your safety? 5 mil, 10 mil, 20 mil? The mods it would drop would probably come to over 5 mil at least. Freighters, faction BS, carriers and marauders .... yes they would be worth ransoming, but none of them would even lower them selves to answering a ransom request so they got popped (or they got back up and popped us) so again no point ransoming.
If you ARE ransomed do the following.
Agree a price FAST
Pay as soon as a price has been settled
Do not stall for time or try to escape
Report here any corp/individual who does not honour ransoms
Don't fly your expensive **** in low sec
Sorry for wall of text
TL;DR Blowing you **** up and scooping the loot is as profitable as the small ransoms your are willing to pay. |
Exlegion
Caldari
Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.02.11 15:04:00 -
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Try looking at the glass half full.
My first (and only) ransom was a waste of time and isk. Some time ago in low sec I was ransomed and ship was still destroyed. I contacted the CEO who laughed, called me stupid, and added I should have been podded for extra icing on the cake.
Not that I'm offered ransoms, but with all the pirates that abound these forums in support of dishonoring ransoms because it's "extra free isk" is the reason I don't pay.
Consider yourself lucky you only lost your ship.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Larkonis Trassler
Genos Occidere
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.02.11 15:43:00 -
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Might help if people still bothered to pay them.
Between paranoia of dishono(u)r whipped up by a couple of hysterical forum types and the general smacktardness one encounters when someone is upset that they've been caught and their boat is about to get violenced it's quicker and easier for everyone involved just to blow them away.
Please resize your signature to the maximum file size of 24000 bytes. Zymurgist
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Hanso Sparxx
Deep Penetration Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:13:00 -
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I've never been able to get someone to pay a ransom... and after the 100th "go f urself", I just stopped asking for them.
/shrug
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Pod Amarr
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:53:00 -
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Originally by: Fumitsugu
Originally by: Alice Lidell
What's wrong with the hawk? I'm guessing you have nothing against assault frigates, just that my factional choice was a bad one in your opinion.
The Hawk is widely perceived as being one of the least useful ships in the game.
So was Drake and 3/4s of Caldari ships but that does not make it the truth.
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Tiberizzle
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Posted - 2010.02.11 16:57:00 -
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I've been pod ransomed before, but it's usually a ****ing silly offer based on the assumption that everyone flies around in lo/nosec with +5's. I typically tell them to go **** themselves, and enjoy the time saved warping back to a logistics station.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.11 17:59:00 -
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No point in paying ransom. If you can't afford losing the ship or cargo, don't bring it to lowsec or don't fly it in the first place. Chances are they wont offer it anyways, or they will, take your money, and blow you up. So continue to starve pirates out of lowsec and the game by not giving them what they want-ignore lowsec and ransoming both.
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2010.02.11 18:03:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena
No point in paying ransom. If you can't afford losing the ship or cargo, don't bring it to lowsec or don't fly it in the first place. Chances are they wont offer it anyways, or they will, take your money, and blow you up. So continue to starve pirates out of lowsec and the game by not giving them what they want-ignore lowsec and ransoming both.
lol
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.11 18:20:00 -
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Lol yourself. How's waiting hours to kill a noobship at the gate treating you? 17 people in amamake, 3 in rancer. Keep up the good work.
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2010.02.11 18:24:00 -
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Originally by: Tason Hyena
Lol yourself. How's waiting hours to kill a noobship at the gate treating you? 17 people in amamake, 3 in rancer. Keep up the good work.
Confirming killing noobships is the highlight of my PVP career.
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.11 18:34:00 -
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Height of your pirating one, perhaps. Unless mining barges count. Who are you again?
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Vrabac
Zawa's Fan Club
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Posted - 2010.02.11 19:01:00 -
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Originally by: Alice Lidell
I made the noob mistake of flying my hawk in lowsec without a warp stabilizer or any ECM
Good lord 
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Morvyn
Destry's Lounge
Important Internet Spaceship League
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Posted - 2010.02.11 19:13:00 -
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Originally by: Multipurpose Cleaner
Originally by: Tason Hyena
Lol yourself. How's waiting hours to kill a noobship at the gate treating you? 17 people in amamake, 3 in rancer. Keep up the good work.
Confirming killing noobships is the highlight of my PVP career.
One time, we were roaming and this ISK seller had been following us in a shuttle for like 20 jumps. He finally hesitated (or something) and I managed to snag him with my Onyx.
It was, quite honestly, one of the most satisfying kills I've ever had. 
Originally by: SkeDOOSH
They are godless killing machines that put even grizzly bears to shame.
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Multipurpose Cleaner
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Posted - 2010.02.11 20:31:00 -
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Edited by: Multipurpose Cleaner on 11/02/2010 20:31:45
Originally by: Tason Hyena
Height of your pirating one, perhaps. Unless mining barges count. Who are you again?
Someone who isn't represented by an exclamation mark. The real question is: Who are YOU again?
edit: Forgot to answer your question  I'm the guy laughing at your butthurt
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Discrodia
Gallente
Green Peace Inc.
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Posted - 2010.02.11 20:34:00 -
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Only time I was ransomed recently was by an annoying inty pilot in W-space, had me jammed so I couldn't escape, and neither of us could kill each other. After ten minutes of discussion I paid 50 mil and was on my way, T3 fully intact.
Maybe you just keep finding killmail *****s?
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Locked, thread is filled with trolling.
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Doctor Cal'torien
Gallente
The Vikings of the Black Sea
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Posted - 2010.02.11 20:38:00 -
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i can directly attribute my lack of first hand knowledge of the randsoming trend to my lack of firsthand knowledge of the randsoming trend
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Originally by: Damien Grammaticus
Feeding your cat Scrabble tiles and copying the poop would have created a more legible post.
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