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Pavluhos	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:25:00 - [1] How? i heard about it and it sounds interesting and chalanging in a way. Can some one please explain how its done. I tried to search the forums but didnit find anything. Thank you
Sarcough Illrilian	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:28:00 - [2] Well you see when you find some salvage that doesn't belong to you, you ninja it from them...... Yes, it's that easy.
Pavluhos	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:30:00 - [3] what i meant is jumping into missions of other people
Mistah Ewedynao Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:30:00 - [4] Actually it's correct name is Space Janitor
Sarcough Illrilian	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:37:00 - [5] Originally by: Pavluhos what i meant is jumping into missions of other people That's pretty much what you do yes, you get a small frigate/destroyer fit it with salvagers/probe and an afterburner/mwd an start scanning out busy missioning systems going round looting people salvage.
Guillame Herschel Gallente NME1	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:41:00 - [6] Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Well you see when you find some salvage that doesn't belong to you, you ninja it from them...... Salvage belongs to the one who uses the salvager on the wreck. It ends up in his cargo. Until that happens, it belongs to no one. It doesn't even exist. *-- He said "The President is near."*
Ubik Null Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:51:00 - [7] Edited by: Ubik Null on 11/02/2010 20:56:30 I have to speak up here. There is no such thing as "Ninja Salvaging" in EVE as it's presently configured. You simply salvage wrecks. Period. You can salvage wrecks in asteroid belts at will. You can also salvage other peoples mission wrecks. This is done by scanning down the wrecks using your scanning skills. Just be advised that if you try to salvage in 'roid belts or mission sites in lo-sec there's a chance you'll get your Dessie destroyed (pun - get it?) and perhaps podded as well. This also is simple game mechanics, the mission runner isn't out to "get you" they simply killed you because they could, no hard feelings m8. Perhaps your exhausts were simply the wrong color today. EDIT: Not to be picky, but you don't loot salvage. The entire concept of looting salvage is invalid. You can loot wrecks, and if they're not yours you can be shot. So when a wreck is looted (by anyone) the wreck itself is still there, to be salvaged. If you salvage a wreck, often a can will remain. this is loot, and you can be shot for taking it.
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:56:00 - [8] Originally by: Ubik Null I have to speak up here. There is no such thing as "Ninja Salvaging" in EVE as it's presently configured. You simply salvage wrecks. Period. You can salvage wrecks in asteroid belts at will. You can also salvage other peoples mission wrecks. This is done by scanning down the wrecks using your scanning skills. Just be advised that if you try to salvage in 'roid belts or mission sites in lo-sec there's a chance you'll get your Dessie destroyed (pun - get it?) and perhaps podded as well. This also is simple game mechanics, the mission runner isn't out to "get you" they simply killed you because they could, no hard feelings m8. Perhaps your exhausts were simply the wrong color today. Try shooting someone for salvaging and you'll be the one going home in your pod when Concord comes to get better acquainted, so don't be spreading such misinformation, 'cos we all know that's false. You only get to shoot if they take something out of your can. And the word 'ninja' is relevant since they are sneaking into mission sites.
Ubik Null Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:57:00 - [9] Originally by: Samantha U Originally by: Ubik Null I have to speak up here. There is no such thing as "Ninja Salvaging" in EVE as it's presently configured. You simply salvage wrecks. Period. You can salvage wrecks in asteroid belts at will. You can also salvage other peoples mission wrecks. This is done by scanning down the wrecks using your scanning skills. Just be advised that if you try to salvage in 'roid belts or mission sites in lo-sec there's a chance you'll get your Dessie destroyed (pun - get it?) and perhaps podded as well. This also is simple game mechanics, the mission runner isn't out to "get you" they simply killed you because they could, no hard feelings m8. Perhaps your exhausts were simply the wrong color today. Try shooting someone for salvaging and you'll be the one going home in your pod when Concord comes to get better acquainted, so don't be spreading such misinformation, 'cos we all know that's false. You only get to shoot if they take something out of your can. And the word 'ninja' is relevant since they are sneaking into mission sites. Hence the use of the term lo-sec.
Pavluhos	Posted - 2010.02.11 20:59:00 - [10] how can i find ppl doing missions? =/
Samantha U	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:00:00 - [11] Originally by: Ubik Null Originally by: Samantha U Originally by: Ubik Null I have to speak up here. There is no such thing as "Ninja Salvaging" in EVE as it's presently configured. You simply salvage wrecks. Period. You can salvage wrecks in asteroid belts at will. You can also salvage other peoples mission wrecks. This is done by scanning down the wrecks using your scanning skills. Just be advised that if you try to salvage in 'roid belts or mission sites in lo-sec there's a chance you'll get your Dessie destroyed (pun - get it?) and perhaps podded as well. This also is simple game mechanics, the mission runner isn't out to "get you" they simply killed you because they could, no hard feelings m8. Perhaps your exhausts were simply the wrong color today. Try shooting someone for salvaging and you'll be the one going home in your pod when Concord comes to get better acquainted, so don't be spreading such misinformation, 'cos we all know that's false. You only get to shoot if they take something out of your can. And the word 'ninja' is relevant since they are sneaking into mission sites. Hence the use of the term lo-sec. Sorry, missed that, need more coffee I guess. Yes, low sec will get you a nasty surprise, but most ninjas operate around the high sec mission hubs. Most are either smart enough to avoid putting themselves in that situation or not bored/eager enough to try ninjaing a low sec site or belt.
Tason Hyena Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:02:00 - [12] Yeah ninja salvaging specifically means going into a mission runners site, and salvaging the wrecks he has killed. Any other time it's just normal salvage, and people rarely give a fuss about that. If anything, more miners should abandon their rat wrecks so we can clean them up for them. (and prevent easy suicide gank warp points)
Kahega Amielden Minmatar Reckoning.	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:10:00 - [13] Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 11/02/2010 21:10:27 Linkage
Pavluhos	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:12:00 - [14] Originally by: Kahega Amielden Edited by: Kahega Amielden on 11/02/2010 21:10:27 Linkage thank you!
Ubik Null Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:14:00 - [15] Go to any of the major mission hubs and start scanning the adjoining systems. When you're scanning skills are up to snuff you'll usually find spots with huge numbers of wrecks. Keep in mind that most, imo, mission runners (and this character is a mission runner) feel that the wrecks are "theirs". This of course is sheer nonsense. CCP has repeatedly stated that the pilot who does the salvaging is the owner of the salvage. This may change tomorrow, but today, that's how it is. I've never seen a sneaky salvager - most just fly in without a cloak and start salvaging. I also enjoy rattling chains on occasion.
Sarcough Illrilian	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:19:00 - [16] Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:20:40 Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:19:53 Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:19:33 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Well you see when you find some salvage that doesn't belong to you, you ninja it from them...... Salvage belongs to the one who uses the salvager on the wreck. It ends up in his cargo. Until that happens, it belongs to no one. It doesn't even exist. The "act" of salvaging from a wreck is the same as looting a wreck. Don't try and hide it behind some nonsense gibberish. It's plain, you shoot a ship, you kill it, the wreck belongs to the person that killed it, period, that's why the name is attached to the wreck (Sure you can salvage it, and by design there isn't any penalty, but that's NOT the point being made here. The point is it IS an act of stealing). Besides, everyone knows that CCP made ninja salvaging a non punishable action because it reduces lag overall on the node, ninja salvages help to keep the node stable.....That's probably the only reason it's non punishable, if i'm wrong give me some valid proof to claim otherwise.
Nadarius Chrome Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:21:00 - [17] Originally by: Mistah Ewedynao Actually it's correct name is Space Janitor Don't really need a janitor when wrecks and cans are biodegradeable within 2 hours.
Yuki Kulotsuki	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:25:00 - [18] Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian rabble rabble You've seen the CCP dev quotes on this topic right? Originally by: CCP Lemur THIS IS GOD: ... IF YOU HAVE ANY MORE REQUESTS I'M AVAILABLE SUNDAY FROM 10:30 TO 12:00 TO RECEIVE YOUR PRAYERS.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:25:00 - [19] Here is a sensational video guide to the PROfession ~~~ http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1260276\| It will show you just how awesome hardcore ninja salvaging is. ~ Soar Like a Penguin
Sarcough Illrilian	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:38:00 - [20] Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian rabble rabble You've seen the CCP dev quotes on this topic right? Well, what do you think? I was asking someone to let me know if there is irrefutable proof against my comment, so if there is irrefutable proof in a post from the devs then obviously I haven't read it. As far as i'm aware they've merely pointed out that ninja salvaging is a "valid" profession within the game (This only further backs up the claim that it's used as a stability tool, and nothing more).
Dorbin Callas	Posted - 2010.02.11 21:55:00 - [21] Oh No! Not the Ninja Salvaging issue! I have no idea what CCP was thinking, or why they were thinking it, or IF they were even thinking. For whatever reason, Salvaging has been deemed a valid profession - It's in the player guide. They tell you how to do it. Not once, as I recall, in that guide is the term "Ninja" used when speaking of salvaging other wrecks, be they belt wrecks or mission wrecks. Although I can see how the term "Ninja" developed with relation to salvaging, it generally denotes something sneaky, underhanded, or less than savory. Of course it's always hazardous to compare game terminology with RL terminology. As far as having pilots names associated with wrecks, for purposes of argument I'd submit that they are tagged for two reasons: 1) So that the pilot themselves could find "their" wrecks, amid the dozens of other wrecks, at complexes and in belts. 2) So looters (dare I say "Ninja Looters"?) can assess the possible repercussions of stealing someones' loot. At my level I'm sure I could be bested by an unarmed Ibis, therefore I don't loot. As far as my own feelings, I'd rather my wrecks were salvaged by me than by others, but there's not much I can do about it (refer to my unarmed Ibis comment). In any even, carry on troops. Let's beat this one till it can't get up any more.
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 22:02:00 - [22] Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Well you see when you find some salvage that doesn't belong to you, you ninja it from them...... Salvage doesn't belong to anyone until it is salvaged and in someone's cargo hold. Think of salvage like ore from asteroids--it belongs to the first person to 'harvest' it. What the term normally means is to scan down a mission runner (where wrecks will usually abound) and start salvaging. They'll whine, but the salvage doesn't belong to them any more than asteroids do, so ignore their whining and keep salvaging. When probing, you'll generally want to look for drones and common mission-running ships. It also helps to be in a popular mission hub.
Kyra Felann Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 22:08:00 - [23] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 11/02/2010 22:12:14 Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian The "act" of salvaging from a wreck is the same as looting a wreck. Don't try and hide it behind some nonsense gibberish. It's plain, you shoot a ship, you kill it, the wreck belongs to the person that killed it, period, that's why the name is attached to the wreck (Sure you can salvage it, and by design there isn't any penalty, but that's NOT the point being made here. The point is it IS an act of stealing). You can't make up the rules since we're not playing the Sarcough's Fantasy Land That Exists Only In His Mind game. CCP has said repeatedly and in no uncertain terms that salvage belongs to no one until it it salvaged and sitting in their cargo hold. CCP made the game, so CCP makes the rules. Just because you live in your own fantasy land in your mind doesn't change that. Do you think you own an asteroid if you're the first to mine it too? Try arguing with the police because in your mind the laws are different. Let me know how that goes. In case you're too lazy to click the link, here you go: Per CCP Mitnal: Originally by: CCP Mitnal "Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing." Per GM Faolchu : Originally by: GM Faolchu Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage. Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up. Per Senior GM Ytterbium : Originally by: GM Ytterbium Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit. Per CCP Prism X : Originally by: CCP Prism X Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing. Per CCP Incognito : Originally by: CCP Incognito Had a chat with some designers this evening. Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private. They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks. (These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2010.02.11 23:22:00 - [24] Ninja salvaging is no big deal either way. It isn't particularly profitable to do unless you're really low-skilled, and it gives missioners a little opportunity for some economic PvP.
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.11 23:24:00 - [25] Fair play to them I say
Zartanic Red Federation	Posted - 2010.02.12 04:13:00 - [26] Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Originally by: Yuki Kulotsuki Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian rabble rabble You've seen the CCP dev quotes on this topic right? Well, what do you think? I was asking someone to let me know if there is irrefutable proof against my comment, so if there is irrefutable proof in a post from the devs then obviously I haven't read it. As far as i'm aware they've merely pointed out that ninja salvaging is a "valid" profession within the game (This only further backs up the claim that it's used as a stability tool, and nothing more). You make the assertion you have to provide the proof. I know a tea pot circles the moon. Provide me with proof it does not or I'm right. See where that gets us? But that way of arguing is the basis of whole religions and quack beliefs so it seems to wash for some people.
Derelicht	Posted - 2010.02.12 04:18:00 - [27] Originally by: Guillame Herschel Until that happens, it belongs to no one. It doesn't even exist. Quoted for comedy reasons.
Nefrin Maldoes Minmatar Outer Rim Survey and Salvage	Posted - 2010.02.12 06:35:00 - [28] See signature ---------- while(horse==dead) { beat(); }
Major Trant 287 Marine Regiment	Posted - 2010.02.12 10:57:00 - [29] Originally by: Zartanic I know a tea pot circles the moon. Is that Blue Republic's Sacred Teapot? Which moon please, they are desperate to get that back.
Brechan Skene	Posted - 2010.02.12 11:27:00 - [30] Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:20:40 Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:19:53 Edited by: Sarcough Illrilian on 11/02/2010 21:19:33 Originally by: Guillame Herschel Originally by: Sarcough Illrilian Well you see when you find some salvage that doesn't belong to you, you ninja it from them...... Salvage belongs to the one who uses the salvager on the wreck. It ends up in his cargo. Until that happens, it belongs to no one. It doesn't even exist. The "act" of salvaging from a wreck is the same as looting a wreck. Don't try and hide it behind some nonsense gibberish. It's plain, you shoot a ship, you kill it, the wreck belongs to the person that killed it, period, that's why the name is attached to the wreck (Sure you can salvage it, and by design there isn't any penalty, but that's NOT the point being made here. The point is it IS an act of stealing). Besides, everyone knows that CCP made ninja salvaging a non punishable action because it reduces lag overall on the node, ninja salvages help to keep the node stable.....That's probably the only reason it's non punishable, if i'm wrong give me some valid proof to claim otherwise. What you are saying is that the current mechanics of salvaging is not correct to "real world" examples Therefore what you are saying is that there is no example of a conflict/ engagement (a mission) occurring consisting of winner of the conflict/ engagement (the player) and a loser of the conflict / engagement (the NPC) and subsequently a third party (the Ninja) turning up later and salvaging the wrecks for profit without permission from either the designated player or NPC of the conflict/engagement Are you sure of this fact Brechan Skene

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