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Jackuu Bauwaah
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jackuu Bauwaah on 13/02/2010 11:20:08
Lately I have things I did not expect to see. I have no proof of said claims but most knows it is true.
Ive seen faction ships and officer modules beeing sold to one unnamed trader (for now). This trader buys stuff from the same people, Meta 14 items at a fraction of contract costs. Is that isk laundry? Is isk laundry legal in eve?.
Take some random CNR seller we all know he got filthy rich buying cnrs from the chinese (yes they are chinese theese farmers, well known group actually.) We all know who he is. but noone can prove anything. Why hasnt ccp looked into this? When I say farmers, i obviusly mean they rmt the isk afterwards and he is simply used as a laundrer.
Anyone that have seen similar things?
Is isk laundry legal? If so get me in touch with some farmers, I got isk.
Edit: Some proof is avaible (contracts)
Edit: Made proper subject
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:29:00 -
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Considering that all ISK and item transactions are logged, laundering ISK like that is impossible. It is merely trying to obfuscate the transactions long enough to be able to sell the stuff and once the money is made, to hell with the customer.
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Mirona Etrin
Quality Boat Violencing
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Jackuu Bauwaah
Take F9X we all know he got filthy rich buying cnrs from the chinese
Nice edit mate, too late :)
But yes, he really needs to be audited by CCP.
And its blueprints, he buys blueprints then builds them...
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Jackuu Bauwaah
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:35:00 -
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Originally by: Abrazzar
Considering that all ISK and item transactions are logged, laundering ISK like that is impossible. It is merely trying to obfuscate the transactions long enough to be able to sell the stuff and once the money is made, to hell with the customer.
Hmm I see, so when one of theese traders bought meta 14 modules @ 20 percent of regular contract prices or even faction ships cheaper then t1 ships it wasnt laundry? And the seller of all theese items was the same guy.
Id assume some isk is laundred seeing as ccp is still failing when it comes to the isk sellers. I know the buyer is the problem but recent hackings shows a disturbing trend. If your account is hacked and items are sold, you get the isk the hacker managed to firesell your items for. Not the items, those belongs to the new buyers.
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Kirra Liu
Echelon Holdings
Echelon.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:37:00 -
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There is only one way of moving goods between two players without a trace thus laundering isk, I think it would work anyway and what you are talking about is a pretty poor way of isk laundering. But then again, nobody said the isk farmers / sellers are pro's. Like I say though, only one way I can think of doing it and it is so damn simple. No I am not telling, last thing we need them to learn is how to leave no trace.
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Bhattran
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Posted - 2010.02.13 11:47:00 -
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No, when you buy things at a low cost or no cost via contracts it is likely a 'trade' between alts, laundering involves cleaning the isk through at least a third party at best what you are seeing might be a step in the process but I doubt it.
Laundering isk is techically game 'legal', shifting it around to characters etc all allowed in game. If you have activities/dealings with RMT accounts you may get banned as you are aiding them in breaking the EULA, accepting 'ill gotten' isk and sending it to others etc. CCP doesn't monitor all item/currency/contract etc exchanges so if you are found dealing with RMT accounts you appear to be buying isk or assisting those accounts as a reseller.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 12:04:00 -
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Grinder alt, trader alt, combat alt?
What you see as a ridiculously low price is just the cost of producing the items (to cover ammo, base item, and tags cost)?
There are plenty of explanations to what you've found, but if you have any questions, the forum won't help you get them answered. Petition it as a possible case of RMT instead.
Also, yes, money laundering is legal, mainly because the only kind of money you'd like to launder (bought ISK) is very easy to trace for CCP – laundering your corp theft ISK is entirely within bounds (and also completely unnecessary).
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lollerwaffle
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:02:00 -
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Money LAUNDERING, not LAUNDRY
For a sec I was wondering where you got paper isk to wash and where could I get some too 
Fake edit: actually my english isn't that good so feel free to mock me if laundry is the correct term :P
Originally by: salva dore
Cloak should not be AFK solution.
What do you think?
Originally by: AFK Cloaker
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:43:00 -
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Edited by: Slade Trillgon on 13/02/2010 23:44:35
Originally by: lollerwaffle
Money LAUNDERING, not LAUNDRY
For a sec I was wondering where you got paper isk to wash and where could I get some too
Fake edit: actually my english isn't that good so feel free to mock me if laundry is the correct term :P
Your are correct in your use of the word laundering. While not wholly incorrect, Isk laundry sounds funny.
Edit: Isk Laundry? Adding a question mark may read better.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 00:10:00 -
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I do isk laundry, send it to me and you will get back clean isk!
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Some Advisor
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Posted - 2010.02.14 00:23:00 -
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...but what about the risk of deflated isk due to shrinking in the dryer?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Some Advisor
...but what about the risk of deflated isk due to shrinking in the dryer?
isk doesn't shrink, it just gets lost in administration/material fees. 
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Boomershoot
Caldari
Suddenly Ninjas
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Posted - 2010.02.14 00:29:00 -
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Originally by: lollerwaffle
For a sec I was wondering where you got paper isk to wash and where could I get some too
Icelanders won't mind, they are worth nothing right now anyway
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Yamato1940
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Posted - 2010.02.14 08:49:00 -
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how do they isk farm? I thought that was done years ago, a tempest with loads of smart bombs nuking a rat spawn point. how do u farm isk now?
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 08:59:00 -
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to farm isk first you need some cheese, this gets the rats to come running, then just "Off with their heads!"
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Yamato1940
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Posted - 2010.02.14 09:04:00 -
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in 0.0 right? i cant imagine chopping heads in 0.5... time to youtube search a isk farmer
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 09:23:00 -
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Originally by: Yamato1940
in 0.0 right? i cant imagine chopping heads in 0.5... time to youtube search a isk farmer
0.0 works, so does highsec, rats get attracted to random things it seems. *cough*belts/missions*cough*
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Yamato1940
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Posted - 2010.02.14 09:27:00 -
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i just saw a few videos on youtube and Googled isk farming. hmm the videos doesnt help much and the google lead to those chinese sellers.
so isk farming is accepting a mission and shoot down npc rats? isn't that the same as just doing a missions? its not like more npc are coming up attack u, once u clean them up, they wont come back and "missions complete"...
rats in the belts? yeah right, not enough slice of cheese to feed a Haitian mouse
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 09:31:00 -
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Originally by: Yamato1940
i just saw a few videos on youtube and Googled isk farming. hmm the videos doesnt help much and the google lead to those chinese sellers.
so isk farming is accepting a mission and shoot down npc rats? isn't that the same as just doing a missions? its not like more npc are coming up attack u, once u clean them up, they wont come back and "missions complete"...
rats in the belts? yeah right, not enough slice of cheese to feed a Haitian mouse
if you do it 23/7 and then sell the isk for cash then yes.
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Yamato1940
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Posted - 2010.02.14 09:35:00 -
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F that!!! then its just as time consuming as mining...
i wish i was rich, i would hire some pinoy maids, they'll clean my house, mission and mine for me, and if they're cute, play with me!!
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:04:00 -
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Originally by: Yamato1940
F that!!! then its just as time consuming as mining...
i wish i was rich, i would hire some pinoy maids, they'll clean my house, mission and mine for me, and if they're cute, play with me!!
reportedly there are macros that do it for them.
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Cat o'Ninetails
Rancer Defence League
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:23:00 -
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hi cat here
surely clean isk is the best kind of isks and this is why it should be kept clean. i think a laundry service would be a good idea and especially if your isks have been in the hands of pirates you want to make sure all the germs are off it lol
as long as it is dry and the ink doesnt run whats the problem?
xx
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Abrazzar
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:30:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
surely clean isk is the best kind of isks and this is why it should be kept clean. i think a laundry service would be a good idea and especially if your isks have been in the hands of pirates you want to make sure all the germs are off it lol
as long as it is dry and the ink doesnt run whats the problem?
xx
This is definitely an idea for Incarna.
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ISellThingz
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Posted - 2010.02.14 10:58:00 -
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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails
hi cat here
surely clean isk is the best kind of isks and this is why it should be kept clean. i think a laundry service would be a good idea and especially if your isks have been in the hands of pirates you want to make sure all the germs are off it lol
as long as it is dry and the ink doesnt run whats the problem?
xx
Look Ma, I've made another idiotic post!
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Andrea Jars
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:32:00 -
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If you have "dirty" Isk and need it to be laundered, send me any amount of ISK and after deducting my fee I will send you yor clean Isk.
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Alexeph Stoekai
Stoekai Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:42:00 -
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Edited by: Alexeph Stoekai on 14/02/2010 13:43:00
Originally by: Boomershoot
Originally by: lollerwaffle
For a sec I was wondering where you got paper isk to wash and where could I get some too
Icelanders won't mind, they are worth nothing right now anyway
That 20 and 50-note on top (the only Kronor I see in the pile) are Swedish though, not Icelandic.
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Swiftgaze
Elysium Holdings
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 15:41:00 -
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Edited by: Swiftgaze on 14/02/2010 15:41:51
Originally by: Jackuu Bauwaah
Edited by: Jackuu Bauwaah on 13/02/2010 11:20:08
Lately I have things I did not expect to see. I have no proof of said claims but most knows it is true.
Ive seen faction ships and officer modules beeing sold to one unnamed trader (for now). This trader buys stuff from the same people, Meta 14 items at a fraction of contract costs. Is that isk laundry? Is isk laundry legal in eve?.
Take some random CNR seller we all know he got filthy rich buying cnrs from the chinese (yes they are chinese theese farmers, well known group actually.) We all know who he is. but noone can prove anything. Why hasnt ccp looked into this? When I say farmers, i obviusly mean they rmt the isk afterwards and he is simply used as a laundrer.
Anyone that have seen similar things?
Is isk laundry legal? If so get me in touch with some farmers, I got isk.
Edit: Some proof is avaible (contracts)
Edit: Made proper subject
For you to be able to see someone's contracts, they have to be public contracts in the first place. Public contracts wouldn't be used to ISK laundering, since someone could just steal faction shpis the moment you put the contract up.
If they were private, were they YOUR contracts perhaps? Are you asking how thoroughly thought-out your plan is?
EDIT: If so, not very. This posting kinda ruined it.
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Cors
It's A Trap
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Posted - 2010.02.14 18:54:00 -
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One thing they could be doing is logging everything that person does, who he does it with and then what THOSE people are doing, and who they're doing it with.
Then one day, BAM! 5K people get banned at once... Could happen.. ohh wait.. IT DID HAPPEN!!
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