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Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:18:00 - [1] I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers. CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
Ringo Jeicha Caldari State War Academy	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:20:00 - [2] Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13 Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions... Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all. --- Braaaiiinnnsssssssssss
CEO Rockhound Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:21:00 - [3] Originally by: Amarrian Victor I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers. CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game. You must be the most ignorant person in the universe. 0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire. L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space L3 missions should be moved to low sec Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds.
Wet Ferret	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:21:00 - [4] My troll-o-meter is off the charts edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
Wesfahrn WESCORP 2.0	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:25:00 - [5] Wow your view of 0.0 is totally wrong. Who is inteprid crossing?
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:26:00 - [6] Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
Denk Tossle	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:30:00 - [7] Afaik the only real difference between 0.0 and highsec is who provides security. In highsec its NPC's in 0.0 its players themselves. So what is it you really dont want to do? Organize with other players... Why one might ask. This is a multiplayer game, a massive one
MP Rhianna	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:36:00 - [8] Originally by: CEO Rockhound Originally by: Amarrian Victor I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers. CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game. You must be the most ignorant person in the universe. 0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire. L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space L3 missions should be moved to low sec Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds. Careful there you are dangerously close to him in that regard. OP is a troll, if you want a single player experience with all the goodies find another game, or try out some worm hole ops on your own. 00 is for groups of people to exploit, it can be done solo but at a reduced efficiency rate isk/hour/risk etc you do have access to everything in the game you don't seem to understand that so try to grasp that concept before making another whine post. 00 should have comparable or maybe more 'worth' than Empire but UNDERSTAND that overdoing 00 just helps fat cats/alliances get richer. Players out there who are broke should be *****ing at their corp/alliance whom they fight for and get 'nothing' except the same experience (game wise) they could get at another corp/alliance. They fight out there defending and taking 'enemy' space for the good of the corp/alliance but have to log into their empire carebear account/alts to make isk all the while somebody else gets richer.
Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:37:00 - [9] Originally by: Virgil Travis Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to. Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players. To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:39:00 - [10] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. Yes we do. You just choose not to. Quote: As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players. Maybe. Who knows? Go have a look. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Denk Tossle	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:40:00 - [11] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features Sure but apart from that you are not putting in the same effort. Its the same problem with this Molester guy from the other thread. Demands and wants and wants and wants.. Why dont you just get amongst it, and give it a shot? Like so many other people. You dont know what your missing out on. Key word is Effort
Wesfahrn WESCORP 2.0	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:44:00 - [12] Edited by: Wesfahrn on 13/02/2010 18:46:37 I am in 0.0 by my self
Ryhss Caldari	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:48:00 - [13] Edited by: Ryhss on 13/02/2010 18:48:44 Originally by: Amarrian Victor I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers. CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game. /signed Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13 Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions... Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all. STFU. He can play his way, you can play yours. This is my sig, stop reading.
Eldern Minderhost	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:50:00 - [14] Starting Score: 0 Decent grammar: +1 Well formatted post: +1 Feigned ignorance of game mechanic: +1 Direct address to CCP in public forum: +1 Reasonable Tone Throughout: +1 Trite, overused topic of trolling: +0 Quoting absurd statistics from a "friend": +1 Self centered view of a multiplayer game: +1 Continuous stringing out of the issue: unknown as of yet Slow degredation into insults: unknown as of yet Overall Score: 7 out of a possible 10 points This is a subtle, well constructed troll that had the misfortune of being subject to an "issue" that has been to commonly flamed over in the past. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:51:00 - [15] Originally by: Eldern Minderhost This is a subtle, Subtle?! Where? ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.13 18:57:00 - [16] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Originally by: Virgil Travis Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to. Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players. To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec. Did I say solo? You should stop putting words in my mouth. You don't have to be 'extremely lucky' to get through, just gain some knowledge and and a little experience. I don't wish to live out there but I understand how to avoid the bubbles, as do my corp mates. Even though I don't wish to live out there, I still enjoy taking a trip out to see what I can find.
Watyu Minmatar Merc-ed	Posted - 2010.02.13 19:38:00 - [17] Holy obvious troll batman!
Lady Karma	Posted - 2010.02.13 19:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Ryhss STFU. He can play his way, you can play yours. He is entitled to play the game anyway he wants, but instead, he is asking for the entire game to be changed to suit his limited idea of what eve is. EVE is not a wallet simulation game.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:04:00 - [19] Edited by: Khemul Zula on 13/02/2010 20:04:57 Originally by: Amarrian Victor ...and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. looks at wallet Erm...well...you see... It's... Oh ** it. I'm just gonna go repair that smoking crater that was once a troll meter. Originally by:** GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:07:00 - [20] We fight dam hard to have a semi-safe place to rat or plex... who are you to babble that you should also be able to do these things but without the work? I suppose next you will ask for a personal highend moon? YOu have access to EVERYTHING we have to... the game is a sandbox, play better.
Hardiel Da'le'mei	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:21:00 - [21] Nope, the balance is pretty good. You can make lots of money in high sec, you can make lots of money in high sec wormholes, you can make lots of money in high sec mining. You can make more in 0.0, but you will also need to be more alert, get more focused and keep multiple eyes everywhere. I like the way it is and hope it never changes (and nope I don't live in low sec/0.0 but may move there one day, I'm happy where I am)
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:22:00 - [22] man, the trolling has gotten pretty regular here _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Eirik Hammer	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:32:00 - [23] Originally by: Ringo Jeicha This IS a pvp game after all. Its a what now... People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way". Do i have to play your game style now Ringo Jeicha ?
Tagami Wasp Caldari Sarz'na Khumatari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:39:00 - [24] Very good troll, sir. However, you should have run twice back and forth through an internet translator to give it more authenticity: 8/10 ------------ Railgun performance required fix: - +15% railgun damage modifier - +10% PG for Caldari railgun ships
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2010.02.13 20:55:00 - [25] Originally by: Eirik Hammer People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way". Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing. Where nothing is a lie...technically...if you interpret it a certain way...and ignore the stuff that disagrees...and bend the truth until it snaps into a dozen or so pieces...and maybe lie a little...but its the good type of lying...the type that hurts no one...atleast no one important...which is basically everyone. Originally by: GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
Sulg Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:01:00 - [26] I'm going to assume you've never lost a ship to a player before. That being the case, you no understand how EVE do. Move along, people. =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Warp speed is not fast enough. We must go straight to...ludicrous speed!
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:18:00 - [27] Fine, fine fine… I'll bite. Originally by: Eirik Hammer Originally by: Ringo Jeicha This IS a pvp game after all. Its a what now... People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way". The problem is that you haven't thought through what that means in an MMO context. You might be used to the sandbox concept from various single-player games where the focus is on letting you play your own way. Unfortunately, in an MMO, a sandbox means that not only are you allowed to play your own way – so is everyone else. It's not just a sandbox to you, but to everyone else with a spade and bucket. Sometimes, the way they play it goes counter to how you would like to play it, and it then becomes a matter of which of these two players can best impose their will on the other. Thus, PvP is born, and suffuses everything you do in this sandbox game. To exemplify this with the complaint in the OP: everyone in the game is completely free to go out into 0.0 and make shedloads of cash of the various sources of income available out there. It's just that, since this is a sandbox game, everyone is also completely free to try to stop you from going there so they can have it to themselves. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Tason Hyena Minmatar Brutor tribe	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:21:00 - [28] What are you going to do with the ISK if it were boosted? The real problem of EVE is there is crap to do in it that doesn't involve blowing up other players. Fix that and the money wont matter.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:29:00 - [29] Originally by: Wet Ferret My troll-o-meter is off the charts I too am getting extremely high readings...
Zions Child Caldari Carthage Industries Consortium.	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:31:00 - [30] I'd say you can make a lot of money in Highsec. Are you going to be able to afford say a capital ship? Probably not quickly, but if you save you can easily rack up large quantities of money. In 0.0, you have a lot of opportunities to find and exploit valuable resources, but excepting bounties, you have to find some way of getting it back to highsec for it to be turned into money. All the officer loot in the world won't make a difference if there's no one to sell it too. And sure, you can sell things in 0.0, but you get greater returns in Empire. It's just risk vs. reward, and as this is an MMO, the more people on your side, the less risk involved. If CCP made everything available in Empire, people would have exceedingly few reasons to venture out into the dangerous areas that are 0.0. Seriously, if you could make as much money as you would in 0.0, why would you risk going into 0.0 in the first place? _________________________________________________________________ Wrong! - Cortes YES! I HAD MY SIG EDITED! DEVS FTW!

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