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Glengrant TOHA Heavy Industries TOHA Conglomerate	Posted - 2010.02.13 22:41:00 - [31] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Originally by: Virgil Travis Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to. Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players. To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec. For paying the same money you get the same opportunity to take chances or play it safe. To make the best out of the choices available. 0.0 is supposed to be more profitable - while being more risky. By design. It's a package deal. If you choose not to take the risky part of the deal then you also choose not not partake in the riches. You made the choice - don't complain here about the consequences. BTW - the statement that missions are the only way to make decent money in empire happens to be wrong. You can make tons of money with trading or production. I met a Noob of a few weeks a long time ago who made 40 m just by trading. You're not seeing the sandbox yet. p.s. You have been playing EVE for a "year" - and you thought that whining on GD about how the safe(ish) empire life should provide as much money as risk-taking in 0.0 is a good idea? I can see why people think you a troll. p.p.s. It could easily be argued that empire already provides way too much riches and that the difference to 0.0 is not nearly high enough. A lot of 0.0 space is not that much more profitable than empire systems. And after losses are calculated in many pilots don't think that 0.0 is worthwhile enough monetarywise. --- Save the forum: Think before you post. ISK BUYER = LOSER EVE TV- Bring it back! Laptop, NVidia7900GS, Ubuntu 8.04, WINE
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.13 22:52:00 - [32] Originally by: Wet Ferret My troll-o-meter is off the charts indeed.
Tesco Yogurt	Posted - 2010.02.13 23:00:00 - [33] Originally by: Wet Ferret My troll-o-meter is off the charts
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.13 23:07:00 - [34] Originally by: Amarrian Victor i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. Originally by: Amarrian Victor Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. Originally by: Amarrian Victor It's completely unfair. Originally by: Amarrian Victor unfair Welcome to Eve. /Ben
Slade Trillgon Endless Possibilities Inc. Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.02.13 23:23:00 - [35] Originally by: Amarrian Victor [ As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players. Get in a covops or interceptor and work your way around those bubbles by making bookmarks. Once you have those set up you and maybe a few other pilots can work your way around 0.0 working for the access to those features that other pilots have to work for also. Slade Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat! ≡v≡
Slade Hoo Amarr 24th Imperial Crusade	Posted - 2010.02.13 23:29:00 - [36] ...don't feed the.... ------ I'm just a lonely pirate on my way to ascension
Viktor Fyretracker Caldari Fyretracker Heavy Industries	Posted - 2010.02.14 00:19:00 - [37] i am happy with what i have access to in empire, L4 Missions and while i may not have access to the best of the best ore the upside to EVE is that all ore types in empire and low sec are used in every grade of stuff. sure you wont see the profits of Megacyte or Zydrine but trust me there is money in that Pyrite, Nocx, and trit.
Jeneroux Gallente Center for Advanced Studies	Posted - 2010.02.14 01:07:00 - [38] You can go anyplace you wish, but respect is important. I live in empire but go to 0.0 all the time. I simply prefer less explosions in the place I live. I have mutually beneficial relationship with people there. I buy things and sell things and the people in 0.0 also buy things and sell things. Is not so frightening a place if you remember you are on the property of someone else.
Dodgy Past Amarr Debitum Naturae	Posted - 2010.02.14 13:55:00 - [39] Originally by: Virgil Travis Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to. OMG, you have to fight to retain access to some good space, the horror. Never been to made to feel like a number and to be honest fighting to keep the reds out of our space is what makes the game fun. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- you seem determined to turn it into ******* Hollyoaks for neckbeards.
cyclobs Minmatar Honourable Templum of Alcedonia	Posted - 2010.02.14 14:21:00 - [40] Originally by: Ringo Jeicha Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13 Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions... Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all. while i aggree with you. that statement is wrong. EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.02.14 14:44:00 - [41] Originally by: cyclobs EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp. Name 3.
Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2010.02.14 16:20:00 - [42] Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08 Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh**y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots
Klyde The Nightshift	Posted - 2010.02.14 17:01:00 - [43] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08 Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh**y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots well getting caught in a warp bubble = no warp no matter how many wcs you have fitted..i thought you said you know how to aviod them in one of your posts? Sorry, just pointing out the obvious If your serious about getting out to 0.0 you need to understand the mechanics of it.
Ripcha Headov Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2010.02.14 17:27:00 - [44] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08 Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh**y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots LOL. Sorry to say this but your not going to get your stuff back. as for getting into 0.0, join a corp/alliance based in 0.0 and get people to help you out, scout for you/jump your things out to 0.0 by carrier. and fly in gangs and get some experience pvping. oh and never fly what you can't afford to lose.
Boltorano Fourth Circle Total Comfort	Posted - 2010.02.14 17:40:00 - [45] Originally by: Amarrian Victor snip nice try Idiots The only redeeming aspect of this post is that it was #42 of the thread.
WhiteSavage Ever Flow Atlas Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.14 18:01:00 - [46] Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's? Obvious troll too bad he caught me prior.
Oddymandius Minmatar	Posted - 2010.02.14 18:22:00 - [47] Originally by: cyclobs EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp. Eve is the sand. PvP is the box.
Magnus Orin Minmatar United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2010.02.14 18:35:00 - [48] 0.0 is equally accessible to all players. Sarcasm - Because i'm too far away to strangle you.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.02.14 19:39:00 - [49] Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17 This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.02.14 19:52:00 - [50] Originally by: WhiteSavage Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's? 400M in mining gear and BPs carried into 0.0 in a Bestower, a Bestower packing nothing but 4 WCS. Oops?
Serge Bastana Gallente GWA Corp	Posted - 2010.02.14 20:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08 Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh**y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots So you thought going to 0.0 with a ship full of bpo's without a scout was a good idea. Guess who the idiot is. ------------------------------------------------ You either need a punch up the throat or a good shag. Nobody round here is offering the second one therefore your choices are limited!
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.14 20:40:00 - [52] Originally by: Dodgy Past Originally by: Virgil Travis Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to. OMG, you have to fight to retain access to some good space, the horror. Never been to made to feel like a number and to be honest fighting to keep the reds out of our space is what makes the game fun. I have nothing against fighting to keep control of some good space. Unfortunately I've had some bad experiences with CEO's and their 'grand visions' which made me feel like all I was doing was lining their pockets and following some plan where I had little say and was made to feel like a very small cog in a big machine. I prefer the smaller corps where we have a bit more control of what we do, rather than following orders from on high. It may not be like this for some alliances, granted, but to some this is how the big alliances are perceived, and playing someone else's game is not why we pay our money.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.14 23:01:00 - [53] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh*y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots L M F A O ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki*
Amarrian Victor	Posted - 2010.02.15 00:47:00 - [54] Originally by: Tippia nice try Idiots L M F A O Can I ask what's so funny? I started this thread because I don't have access to the same game content as others, even though we all pay the same money. Some people said it is possible to go to 0.0 solo, so I tried, and some butholes somehow prevented my Warp core stabs working inside a bubble. I've lost 75% of my net worth with that. I'm actually glad now they managed to prevent me from warping, becuase I will get my stuff back, and they will be banned for using exploits. AS it stands, my point is still valid, and I have yet to see a decent argument against limiting game content to players, just because they like to do thinhgs differently
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.15 01:01:00 - [55] Originally by: Catherine Frasier Originally by: WhiteSavage Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's? 400M in mining gear and BPs carried into 0.0 in a Bestower, a Bestower packing nothing but 4 WCS. Oops? http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9469023 <- not a troll anyway, Amarrian Victor guy. We're pretty sure noone here told you to go into a permacamped gate with a hauler while part of an npc corp, especially one with all your stuff inside. Because that's a really bad idea. Also, you aint getting your stuff back though, that's how nullsec bubbles work. I mean, I've done that exact same dumbass move myself as a noob, and lots of other noobs do it too (hence why the gatecamps are constantly up). But even I had it in my head not to bring all my wealth into Syndicate first try. Looking at the killmail reveals you were gonna die soon anyway what with your awesome plan of mining in a belt with your bestower (rats, guy in a ratting ship). Don't do that either. In the future, before jumping into any <0.5 sec system, use the map screen to see how many kills have gone down in that system in the past hour. Then plan accordingly.
ThrashPower Gallente Viper Squad Triumvirate.	Posted - 2010.02.15 01:05:00 - [56] Why anyone would go to these lengths to troll General Discussion is beyond me. If someone bites all you will know is that they might have been slightly agitated by this stupid thread. You should spend your time trolling a real forum, like a forum for people with eating disorders or something. At least there you can cause some damage instead of mild annoyance.
Rosenoern	Posted - 2010.02.15 02:07:00 - [57] Originally by: Amarrian Victor Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08 Great, thanks for the sh*y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my fing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps. 0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. Wers. It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh*y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh. nice try Idiots Are you fking serous dude?
Apoctasy Deskira Industries G String University	Posted - 2010.02.15 02:07:00 - [58] OP is troll
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.02.15 02:16:00 - [59] Originally by: Sig Sour Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17 This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll. i'd agree, but there have been worse troll threads with more responses; i suppose i'll merely comment that for an obvious troll, this thread has a surprising amount of serious responses _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
Nicolo da'Vicenza Amarr Dissonance Corp Primary.	Posted - 2010.02.15 02:22:00 - [60] Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 15/02/2010 02:26:09 Originally by: Chaos Incarnate Originally by: Sig Sour Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17 This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll. i'd agree, but there have been worse troll threads with more responses; i suppose i'll merely comment that for an obvious troll, this thread has a surprising amount of serious responses Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9469023 You guys are talking like this doesn't happen every day in eve.

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