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Amarrian Victor
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:18:00 -
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I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes. 
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers.
CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
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Ringo Jeicha
Caldari
State War Academy
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:20:00 -
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Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13
Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions...
Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all.
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CEO Rockhound
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:21:00 -
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 Originally by: Amarrian Victor
I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes.
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers.
CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
You must be the most ignorant person in the universe.
0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire.
L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space
L3 missions should be moved to low sec
Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds.
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Wet Ferret
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:21:00 -
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My troll-o-meter is off the charts
edit: and just to remind you, there is still no divider between posts and sigs.
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:25:00 -
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Wow your view of 0.0 is totally wrong.
Who is inteprid crossing?
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:26:00 -
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Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
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Denk Tossle
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:30:00 -
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Afaik the only real difference between 0.0 and highsec is who provides security. In highsec its NPC's in 0.0 its players themselves. So what is it you really dont want to do? Organize with other players... Why one might ask. This is a multiplayer game, a massive one
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MP Rhianna
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:36:00 -
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Originally by: CEO Rockhound
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes.
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers.
CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
You must be the most ignorant person in the universe.
0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire.
L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space
L3 missions should be moved to low sec
Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds.
Careful there you are dangerously close to him in that regard.
OP is a troll, if you want a single player experience with all the goodies find another game, or try out some worm hole ops on your own. 00 is for groups of people to exploit, it can be done solo but at a reduced efficiency rate isk/hour/risk etc you do have access to everything in the game you don't seem to understand that so try to grasp that concept before making another whine post.
00 should have comparable or maybe more 'worth' than Empire but UNDERSTAND that overdoing 00 just helps fat cats/alliances get richer. Players out there who are broke should be *****ing at their corp/alliance whom they fight for and get 'nothing' except the same experience (game wise) they could get at another corp/alliance. They fight out there defending and taking 'enemy' space for the good of the corp/alliance but have to log into their empire carebear account/alts to make isk all the while somebody else gets richer.
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Amarrian Victor
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:37:00 -
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Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:39:00 -
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Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features.
Yes we do. You just choose not to.
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As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
Maybe. Who knows? Go have a look.
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you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Denk Tossle
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:40:00 -
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Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features
Sure but apart from that you are not putting in the same effort. Its the same problem with this Molester guy from the other thread. Demands and wants and wants and wants.. Why dont you just get amongst it, and give it a shot? Like so many other people. You dont know what your missing out on. Key word is Effort
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Wesfahrn
WESCORP 2.0
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:44:00 -
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Edited by: Wesfahrn on 13/02/2010 18:46:37
I am in 0.0 by my self
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Ryhss
Caldari
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:48:00 -
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Edited by: Ryhss on 13/02/2010 18:48:44
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes.
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers.
CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
/signed
Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13
Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions...
Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all.
STFU. He can play his way, you can play yours.
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Eldern Minderhost
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:50:00 -
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Starting Score: 0
Decent grammar: +1
Well formatted post: +1
Feigned ignorance of game mechanic: +1
Direct address to CCP in public forum: +1
Reasonable Tone Throughout: +1
Trite, overused topic of trolling: +0
Quoting absurd statistics from a "friend": +1
Self centered view of a multiplayer game: +1
Continuous stringing out of the issue: unknown as of yet
Slow degredation into insults: unknown as of yet
Overall Score: 7 out of a possible 10 points
This is a subtle, well constructed troll that had the misfortune of being subject to an "issue" that has been to commonly flamed over in the past. Best of luck in your future endeavors.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:51:00 -
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Originally by: Eldern Minderhost
This is a subtle,
 Subtle?! Where?
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.13 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec.
Did I say solo? You should stop putting words in my mouth. You don't have to be 'extremely lucky' to get through, just gain some knowledge and and a little experience. I don't wish to live out there but I understand how to avoid the bubbles, as do my corp mates. Even though I don't wish to live out there, I still enjoy taking a trip out to see what I can find.
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Watyu
Minmatar
Merc-ed
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Posted - 2010.02.13 19:38:00 -
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Holy obvious troll batman!
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Lady Karma
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Posted - 2010.02.13 19:47:00 -
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Originally by: Ryhss
STFU. He can play his way, you can play yours.
He is entitled to play the game anyway he wants, but instead, he is asking for the entire game to be changed to suit his limited idea of what eve is.
EVE is not a wallet simulation game.
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:04:00 -
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Edited by: Khemul Zula on 13/02/2010 20:04:57
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
...and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec.
*looks at wallet*
Erm...well...you see...
It's...
Oh **** it. I'm just gonna go repair that smoking crater that was once a troll meter. 
Originally by: GM Horse
I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button. 
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:07:00 -
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We fight dam hard to have a semi-safe place to rat or plex... who are you to babble that you should also be able to do these things but without the work? I suppose next you will ask for a personal highend moon?
YOu have access to EVERYTHING we have to... the game is a sandbox, play better.
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Hardiel Da'le'mei
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:21:00 -
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Nope, the balance is pretty good. You can make lots of money in high sec, you can make lots of money in high sec wormholes, you can make lots of money in high sec mining.
You can make more in 0.0, but you will also need to be more alert, get more focused and keep multiple eyes everywhere.
I like the way it is and hope it never changes (and nope I don't live in low sec/0.0 but may move there one day, I'm happy where I am)
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:22:00 -
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man, the trolling has gotten pretty regular here
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Eirik Hammer
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:32:00 -
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Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
This IS a pvp game after all.
Its a what now...
People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way".
Do i have to play your game style now Ringo Jeicha ?
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Tagami Wasp
Caldari
Sarz'na Khumatari
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:39:00 -
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Very good troll, sir. However, you should have run twice back and forth through an internet translator to give it more authenticity: 8/10
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Khemul Zula
Amarr
Keisen Trade League
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Posted - 2010.02.13 20:55:00 -
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Originally by: Eirik Hammer
People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way".
Welcome to the wonderful world of marketing.
Where nothing is a lie...technically...if you interpret it a certain way...and ignore the stuff that disagrees...and bend the truth until it snaps into a dozen or so pieces...and maybe lie a little...but its the good type of lying...the type that hurts no one...atleast no one important...which is basically everyone.
Originally by: GM Horse
I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
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Sulg
Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:01:00 -
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I'm going to assume you've never lost a ship to a player before. That being the case, you no understand how EVE do. Move along, people.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:18:00 -
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Fine, fine fine… I'll bite. Originally by: Eirik Hammer
Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
This IS a pvp game after all.
Its a what now...
People have been telling me its a sandbox that lets you "play your own way".
The problem is that you haven't thought through what that means in an MMO context. You might be used to the sandbox concept from various single-player games where the focus is on letting you play your own way.
Unfortunately, in an MMO, a sandbox means that not only are you allowed to play your own way – so is everyone else. It's not just a sandbox to you, but to everyone else with a spade and bucket. Sometimes, the way they play it goes counter to how you would like to play it, and it then becomes a matter of which of these two players can best impose their will on the other. Thus, PvP is born, and suffuses everything you do in this sandbox game.
To exemplify this with the complaint in the OP: everyone in the game is completely free to go out into 0.0 and make shedloads of cash of the various sources of income available out there. It's just that, since this is a sandbox game, everyone is also completely free to try to stop you from going there so they can have it to themselves.
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
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Tason Hyena
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:21:00 -
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What are you going to do with the ISK if it were boosted?
The real problem of EVE is there is crap to do in it that doesn't involve blowing up other players. Fix that and the money wont matter.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:29:00 -
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Originally by: Wet Ferret
My troll-o-meter is off the charts
I too am getting extremely high readings...
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Zions Child
Caldari
Carthage Industries
Consortium.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 21:31:00 -
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I'd say you can make a lot of money in Highsec. Are you going to be able to afford say a capital ship? Probably not quickly, but if you save you can easily rack up large quantities of money.
In 0.0, you have a lot of opportunities to find and exploit valuable resources, but excepting bounties, you have to find some way of getting it back to highsec for it to be turned into money.
All the officer loot in the world won't make a difference if there's no one to sell it too. And sure, you can sell things in 0.0, but you get greater returns in Empire. It's just risk vs. reward, and as this is an MMO, the more people on your side, the less risk involved.
If CCP made everything available in Empire, people would have exceedingly few reasons to venture out into the dangerous areas that are 0.0. Seriously, if you could make as much money as you would in 0.0, why would you risk going into 0.0 in the first place?
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Glengrant
TOHA Heavy Industries
TOHA Conglomerate
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:41:00 -
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Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
To say that I can roam out there solo is ridiculous. I shouldn't have to do that, it should be available to me once I have the skills and knowledge to take advantage of it, in high sec.
For paying the same money you get the same opportunity to take chances or play it safe. To make the best out of the choices available.
0.0 is *supposed* to be more profitable - while being more risky. By design. It's a package deal. If you *choose* not to take the risky part of the deal then you also choose not not partake in the riches. You made the choice - don't complain here about the consequences.
BTW - the statement that missions are the only way to make decent money in empire happens to be wrong. You *can* make tons of money with trading or production. I met a Noob of a few weeks a long time ago who made 40 m just by trading. You're not seeing the sandbox yet.
p.s. You have been playing EVE for a "year" - and you thought that whining on GD about how the safe(ish) empire life should provide as much money as risk-taking in 0.0 is a good idea? I can see why people think you a troll.
p.p.s. It could easily be argued that empire already provides way too much riches and that the difference to 0.0 is not nearly high enough. A lot of 0.0 space is not that much more profitable than empire systems. And after losses are calculated in many pilots don't think that 0.0 is worthwhile enough monetarywise.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS
IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.13 22:52:00 -
[32]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
My troll-o-meter is off the charts
indeed.
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Tesco Yogurt
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:00:00 -
[33]
Originally by: Wet Ferret
My troll-o-meter is off the charts
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Ben Derindar
Dirty Deeds Corp.
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:07:00 -
[34]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes.
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair.
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair.
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
It's completely unfair.
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
unfair
Welcome to Eve.
/Ben
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Slade Trillgon
Endless Possibilities Inc.
Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:23:00 -
[35]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
[ As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
Get in a covops or interceptor and work your way around those bubbles by making bookmarks. Once you have those set up you and maybe a few other pilots can work your way around 0.0 working for the access to those features that other pilots have to work for also.
Slade
Originally by: Niccolado Starwalker
Please go sit in the corner, and dont forget to don the shame-on-you-hat!
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Slade Hoo
Amarr
24th Imperial Crusade
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Posted - 2010.02.13 23:29:00 -
[36]
...don't feed the....
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Viktor Fyretracker
Caldari
Fyretracker Heavy Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.14 00:19:00 -
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i am happy with what i have access to in empire, L4 Missions and while i may not have access to the best of the best ore the upside to EVE is that all ore types in empire and low sec are used in every grade of stuff. sure you wont see the profits of Megacyte or Zydrine but trust me there is money in that Pyrite, Nocx, and trit.
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Jeneroux
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.02.14 01:07:00 -
[38]
You can go anyplace you wish, but respect is important.
I live in empire but go to 0.0 all the time.
I simply prefer less explosions in the place I live.
I have mutually beneficial relationship with people there.
I buy things and sell things and the people in 0.0 also buy things and sell things.
Is not so frightening a place if you remember you are on the property of someone else.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:55:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
OMG, you have to fight to retain access to some good space, the horror.
Never been to made to feel like a number and to be honest fighting to keep the reds out of our space is what makes the game fun.
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cyclobs
Minmatar
Honourable Templum of Alcedonia
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Posted - 2010.02.14 14:21:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Ringo Jeicha
Edited by: Ringo Jeicha on 13/02/2010 18:20:13
Risk <-> reward ratio, do misions...
Hello kitty land is that way. This IS a pvp game after all.
while i aggree with you. that statement is wrong.
EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp.
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Serpents smile
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Posted - 2010.02.14 14:44:00 -
[41]
Originally by: cyclobs
EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp.
Name 3. 
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Amarrian Victor
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Posted - 2010.02.14 16:20:00 -
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Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots 
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Klyde
The Nightshift
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Posted - 2010.02.14 17:01:00 -
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Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots
well getting caught in a warp bubble = no warp no matter how many wcs you have fitted..i thought you said you know how to aviod them in one of your posts?
Sorry, just pointing out the obvious 
If your serious about getting out to 0.0 you need to understand the mechanics of it.
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Ripcha Headov
Art of War
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.02.14 17:27:00 -
[44]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots
LOL. Sorry to say this but your not going to get your stuff back. as for getting into 0.0, join a corp/alliance based in 0.0 and get people to help you out, scout for you/jump your things out to 0.0 by carrier. and fly in gangs and get some experience pvping.
oh and never fly what you can't afford to lose.
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Boltorano
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.02.14 17:40:00 -
[45]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
*snip*
nice try Idiots
The only redeeming aspect of this post is that it was #42 of the thread.
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WhiteSavage
Ever Flow
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 18:01:00 -
[46]
Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's?
Obvious troll too bad he caught me prior.
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Oddymandius
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.14 18:22:00 -
[47]
Originally by: cyclobs
EVE is a sandbox game, NOT pvp. while yes pvp plays a massive part of the game it's not just about pvp.
Eve is the sand. PvP is the box.
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Magnus Orin
Minmatar
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.02.14 18:35:00 -
[48]
0.0 is equally accessible to all players.
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Sig Sour
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Posted - 2010.02.14 19:39:00 -
[49]
Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17
This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll.
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Catherine Frasier
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Posted - 2010.02.14 19:52:00 -
[50]
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's?
400M in mining gear and BPs carried into 0.0 in a Bestower, a Bestower packing nothing but 4 WCS.
Oops?
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Serge Bastana
Gallente
GWA Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.14 20:33:00 -
[51]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots
So you thought going to 0.0 with a ship full of bpo's without a scout was a good idea. Guess who the idiot is.
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.14 20:40:00 -
[52]
Originally by: Dodgy Past
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, 0.0 appeals little to me, having seen how you have to be part of the machine of one of the big alliances to actually take control of anything out there, which I don't particularly care for, which may be part of the reason that others don't want to live in 0.0, but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
OMG, you have to fight to retain access to some good space, the horror.
Never been to made to feel like a number and to be honest fighting to keep the reds out of our space is what makes the game fun.
I have nothing against fighting to keep control of some good space. Unfortunately I've had some bad experiences with CEO's and their 'grand visions' which made me feel like all I was doing was lining their pockets and following some plan where I had little say and was made to feel like a very small cog in a big machine. I prefer the smaller corps where we have a bit more control of what we do, rather than following orders from on high.
It may not be like this for some alliances, granted, but to some this is how the big alliances are perceived, and playing someone else's game is not why we pay our money.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 23:01:00 -
[53]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots
L M F A O
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Amarrian Victor
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Posted - 2010.02.15 00:47:00 -
[54]
Originally by: Tippia
nice try Idiots
L M F A O
Can I ask what's so funny?
I started this thread because I don't have access to the same game content as others, even though we all pay the same money. Some people said it is possible to go to 0.0 solo, so I tried, and some butholes somehow prevented my Warp core stabs working inside a bubble. I've lost 75% of my net worth with that. I'm actually glad now they managed to prevent me from warping, becuase I will get my stuff back, and they will be banned for using exploits.
AS it stands, my point is still valid, and I have yet to see a decent argument against limiting game content to players, just because they like to do thinhgs differently
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Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Dissonance Corp
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 01:01:00 -
[55]
Originally by: Catherine Frasier
Originally by: WhiteSavage
Did anyone tell him to go to 0.0 alone and in a ship full of bpo's?
400M in mining gear and BPs carried into 0.0 in a Bestower, a Bestower packing nothing but 4 WCS.
Oops?
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9469023 <- not a troll
anyway, Amarrian Victor guy.
We're pretty sure noone here told you to go into a permacamped gate with a hauler while part of an npc corp, especially one with all your stuff inside. Because that's a really bad idea.
Also, you aint getting your stuff back though, that's how nullsec bubbles work.
I mean, I've done that exact same dumbass move myself as a noob, and lots of other noobs do it too (hence why the gatecamps are constantly up). But even I had it in my head not to bring all my wealth into Syndicate first try.
Looking at the killmail reveals you were gonna die soon anyway what with your awesome plan of mining in a belt with your bestower (rats, guy in a ratting ship). Don't do that either.
In the future, before jumping into any <0.5 sec system, use the map screen to see how many kills have gone down in that system in the past hour. Then plan accordingly.
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ThrashPower
Gallente
Viper Squad
Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 01:05:00 -
[56]
Why anyone would go to these lengths to troll General Discussion is beyond me.
If someone bites all you will know is that they might have been slightly agitated by this stupid thread. You should spend your time trolling a real forum, like a forum for people with eating disorders or something.
At least there you can cause some damage instead of mild annoyance. 
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Rosenoern
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:07:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Edited by: Amarrian Victor on 14/02/2010 16:21:08
Great, thanks for the sh***y advice people. I just tried to get into 0.0, and lost most of my f***ing wealth, in the form of BPO's. You guys are probably PVP alt's trying to get people like me into your gate camps.
0.0 looks really accesable to me after that little episode. last time I take advice from anyone on this forum. You guys are just looking to trick people like me and get cheap kills. I can't believe you would stoop this low. W***ers.
It's alright though, I petitioned the loss. I was smart enough to fit warp core stabs, but the bubble still kept me from warping. probly some sh****y exploit used by 0.0ers, and CCP will give me my stuff back. So I get the last laugh.
nice try Idiots
Are you f*king serous dude?
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries
G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:07:00 -
[58]
OP is troll
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:16:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Sig Sour
Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17
This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll.
i'd agree, but there have been worse troll threads with more responses; i suppose i'll merely comment that for an obvious troll, this thread has a surprising amount of serious responses
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Horrors! Demons in the deep! |
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Amarr
Dissonance Corp
Primary.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:22:00 -
[60]
Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 15/02/2010 02:26:09
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Sig Sour
Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17
This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll.
i'd agree, but there have been worse troll threads with more responses; i suppose i'll merely comment that for an obvious troll, this thread has a surprising amount of serious responses
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9469023
You guys are talking like this doesn't happen every day in eve.
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Samantha U
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:37:00 -
[61]
Please point out on the frozen corpse where the nasty gate campers touched you
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Chaos Incarnate
Faceless Logistics
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:52:00 -
[62]
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
Edited by: Nicolo da''Vicenza on 15/02/2010 02:26:09
Originally by: Chaos Incarnate
Originally by: Sig Sour
Edited by: Sig Sour on 14/02/2010 19:40:17
This is outlandish. In many many years I have not seen so many serious responses to a troll.
i'd agree, but there have been worse troll threads with more responses; i suppose i'll merely comment that for an obvious troll, this thread has a surprising amount of serious responses
Originally by: Nicolo da'Vicenza
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=9469023
You guys are talking like this doesn't happen every day in eve.
a) battleclinic logins are a steamy load of poo, just incase they're reading
b) it does happen, but my detectors still read "troll with a bestower and BPCs"
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Dragonmede
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Posted - 2010.02.15 08:12:00 -
[63]
Is High Sec too crowded for you?
Do you want to roam solo thru 0.0 ratting, and plexing to your hearts content?
Do you feel that the prices are too high, and the market is too competitive for you to own that Faction BS you have dreams of?
Do you want to be anti-social and live in a 1 man Corp with no taxation?
OK, here's a solution for you...
CCP has generously given you an alternative, it's called the .... TEST SERVER!
That's right boys and girls, the test server. A virtual utopia where ships are cheap, and ISK grows on trees. Where you can roam to your heart's delight in whatever ship you desire to try out. The NPC rats are plentiful, and the Roid Belts lush.
Give it a try.
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Chesterr theMolester
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Posted - 2010.02.15 08:28:00 -
[64]
OP don't listen to these morons they are nothing but no lifers afraid someone might change eve on them and thus their only response and recourse is to call you a troll.
Tell them to get the F off your thread if they do not have anything productive to say.
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Wurzel Gummidge
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Posted - 2010.02.15 08:54:00 -
[65]
A troll trolling a troll, how quaint
I can't read and I can't write, but that doesn't really matter,
Cos I come from Trowbridge and I can drive a tractor |
Taipan Leviathan
Shadows Of The Requiem
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 18:39:00 -
[66]
That Killmail could very well be rigged.
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THE BIG BANG:
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Ranger 1
Amarr
Dynaverse Corporation
Vertigo Coalition
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:00:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Originally by: Tippia
nice try Idiots
L M F A O
Can I ask what's so funny?
I started this thread because I don't have access to the same game content as others, even though we all pay the same money. Some people said it is possible to go to 0.0 solo, so I tried, and some butholes somehow prevented my Warp core stabs working inside a bubble. I've lost 75% of my net worth with that. I'm actually glad now they managed to prevent me from warping, becuase I will get my stuff back, and they will be banned for using exploits.
AS it stands, my point is still valid, and I have yet to see a decent argument against limiting game content to players, just because they like to do thinhgs differently
Now you are trying too hard, although the KM with BPC's was a good touch.
I am forced to deduct points for going over the top.
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Tippia
Reikoku
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:17:00 -
[68]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Originally by: Tippia
L M F A O
Can I ask what's so funny?
Isn't it obvious? You!
Quote:
I started this thread because I don't have access to the same game content as others, even though we all pay the same money.
Yes you do. You just have to do what those others do: go out and earn it.
Quote:
Some people said it is possible to go to 0.0 solo
Yup. That would be me, among others.
Quote:
so I tried
…without finding out how it's done, without preparation, without any kind of forethought, without backups, and by putting almost all of your eggs in one basket. Hilarious.
Quote:
and some butholes somehow prevented my Warp core stabs working inside a bubble.
They did it by using a bubble.
Quote:
I've lost 75% of my net worth with that.
And you didn't stop to consider whether putting 75% of your net worth on the line in one go was a good idea or not?
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I'm actually glad now they managed to prevent me from warping, becuase I will get my stuff back,
Nope.
Quote:
and they will be banned for using exploits.
Nope.
Quote:
AS it stands, my point is still valid,
Nope.
Quote:
I have yet to see a decent argument against limiting game content to players, just because they like to do thinhgs differently
Maybe it's about time you presented one then – after all, you're the one saying we shouldn't limit the content that way. The rest of us are just saying "there are no limits – just your choice in what you want to do".
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“If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡…
you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.”
— Karath Piki |
Wurzel Gummidge
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Posted - 2010.02.15 19:35:00 -
[69]
I'm going to dress you and Chesterr in little pink gimps suits and keep you tied up in my barn, best place for you, out of harms way 
I can't read and I can't write, but that doesn't really matter,
Cos I come from Trowbridge and I can drive a tractor |
Valrandir
Elemental Mercury
Dystopia Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:00:00 -
[70]
Originally by: CEO Rockhound
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
I've been playing eve for about a year now, and I must say i am fustrated at the lack of riches available to me in high sec. The only way to make OK money in high sec is missioning, which is extremely boring. I looked at 0.0, and realized they have ALL the high income streams. Moon mining, ABC ores, faction rats, officer rats, plexes, exploration sites, and high end wormholes.
Why are these things only availble to those that live in 0.0? It's completely unfair. I don't want to join a 0.0 allaince and become just another number. I don't even want to join a player corparation because I will just end up losing what little hard earned ISK I have when we get war dec'd by greifers.
CCP, I believe that people who live in high sec should have access to the same stuff as those in 0.0. People live in 0.0 to build empire's and kick the crap out of each other, which is fine. but I pay the same as them every month, and shouldn't be limited in what I can access just because I choose to stay in an NPC corp. Just because I don't want to PVP or become another number in some mini dictators 0.0 alliance, doesn't mean I, and others like me shouldn't have access to everything available in game.
You must be the most ignorant person in the universe.
0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire.
L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space
L3 missions should be moved to low sec
Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds.
I'm being lazy and this copy/paste is what I want to respond:
0.0 space should be boosted A LOT compared to empire.
L4 missions should be moved to only 0.0 space
L3 missions should be moved to low sec
Concord response time should be increased with 6 seconds.
This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware. |
Desdemona Neptune
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Posted - 2010.02.15 20:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Amarrian Victor
Originally by: Virgil Travis
Yeah, definite troll, ..... but I know that you can still roam out there and take advantage of some of the good stuff it has to offer if you really care to.
Troll? Nope. Just feeling a little jaded that although we all pay the same money, we don't get the same access to features. As for roaming 0.0 solo, how is that even possible??? Having spoken to people, I hear that all 0.0 access points are "bubbled", and even if you did get extremely lucky and got through, you would be hunted down, killed and podded by a a group of players.
You say you hearthat every gate is bubbled, you'll be hunted down etc, have you ever actually tried it?
Gate camps and gangs are common in nullsec, but not universal. There's places you can slip in, especially flying a cloaker. And while nullsec is populated by trigger-happpy pvpers, there's also a lot of people out there who aren't particularly good at it; you might be able to play the role of wolf, instead of sheep.
Try joining a 0.0 organization and see for yourself, instead of relying on hearsay that's frequently wrong. If you don't like it, move back to empire, at least you'll know what you're talking about.
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SomebodyKickedMyDog
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Posted - 2010.02.15 21:06:00 -
[72]
Edited by: SomebodyKickedMyDog on 15/02/2010 21:08:45
OP, to be honest I understand where you're coming from; but after having played the game for a while I've found that you can actually have access to 0.0 in a relatively safe way. (Note I said 'relatively' safe; after all, even highsec isn't totally safe). Contact me in-game if you're interested. I run a service, based on a fairly solid understanding of game mechanics, which provides analysis, information, and techniques/methods for achieving various goals in EVE.
Note that there's no one formula that will work for every player. In order to develop a successful plan, I take into account a number of factors; for example:
- Current SP (broken down by category)
- Amount of experience flying particular ships and using certain mods
- Amount of experience relevant to/necessary for the goal you desire to achieve (PvP, running camps, cloaking, etc)
- Amount of ISK you're willing to pay for ship/modules in order to be successful, if necessary
- And more generally, your game play style
I ask a number of questions in order to reduce subjectivity in responses. Once I understand what you would like to do, and where your character is at in the game, I develop a personalized plan. Now much of what I provide is fairly common knowledge that can be found on the forums and various websites. The problem with most posts and many sites, however, is that they offer vague, incomplete, and sometimes inaccurate information. Add to that the fact that they don't take the individual player into account and you'll find yourself in a laborious and frustrating quest to find the information you need.
What I offer, on the other hand, is a comprehensive approach, with specific techniques/methods, that will leverage your strengths and support your weaknesses. I adivse you on what skills you may need to train, if any; what ship(s) is best for your task and a recommended fit; what system(s) in which you'll be most successful, as well as suggested routes to them; and, just as importantly, if not more so, specific techniques to use, based on game mechanics. The game mechanics, and specific techniques based around them, are nothing secret; however, the average player is unaware of them, or at least is unable to use them successfully.
Hit me up in-game and I'll provide you a quote. The cost is payed in three installments. There's an up-front cost which is 15% of the quote. Once this is payed we'll go through the information gathering process. I do this so that I don't start working on a plan only to have the player lose interest, costing me time and money. Next I'll draft up a general approach/plan, tailored to you. Once this has been completed, I request the second installment, which is 20% of the quote. Note that I provide the draft only after I receive the second payment. This is so you know I'm serious, and I know you're serious. If you agree to continue, I'll finish a comprehensive plan, which I'll deliver after the final installment -- 65% of the quote -- is received.
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