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Jazmyn Stone	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:31:00 - [1] Edited by: Jazmyn Stone on 13/02/2010 21:32:18 Oh, Tengu, how do I love thee? What a great ship! I got a Tengu a few weeks ago, and started using it for L3 missions, instead of my Drake. Oh, my! It is far better than a Drake. My Tengu puts out 613dps (with CN Scourge). My Drake only puts out 508, and thatÆs with drones. I have been doing L4 missions for a long time in a CNR, but after I got the Tengu, I went back and did some L3's. I recently started doing L4's with the Tengu too, and I was impressed. It does very well. In most of the missions IÆve run, I think it actually does better than the CNR does. My CNR does 768dps and thatÆs great against other BSÆs, but the exp. rad. on the cruise missiles just sucks on anything smaller. That is where the Tengu excels because the radius on the heavies is much less, and at 600dps it actually disposes of those targets much quicker. (I going to start using HAMÆs and the dps will go over 700!) Early on in missions when my skill were low, I did a lot of ôkitingö. ItÆs a habit I got into, and continued as I used the CNR. But with the Tengu, in the L4's, IÆve become a predator. I don't even break a sweat. In some missions, I just sit still, and eliminate anything coming toward me (especially the webbing frigates). Then I attack everything thatÆs left. Instead of lobing missions from 112km, I chase many down and pound them into oblivion. L4's have become fun again. HereÆs my setup (and I think itÆs becoming a standard) Subsystems: Defensive-Amplification Electronics-Dissolution Engineering-Augumented Offensive-Accelerated Propulsion-Gravitational Rigs: 3xMed CCC High: 6xHML II (really donÆt have to use CN ammo, but I can afford it) Med: Pithum C Med SB CN Shield Bst Amp CN hardener CN resist amp 10mn AB II Med. Shield Ext II or Target Painter II (seldom) or Webber (seldom) Low: 4xCN BCU Yeah, it may be a bit expensive, but a lot of the mods I have borrowed off of the CNR. I think the Tengu actually comes out to be about 1B cheaper. IMO every mission runner should get a Tengu. It not only looks good, has great versitility, can have a great tank and really dishes out some sh**. But what would happen to the price of CNRÆs? What would happen to the price of the Tengu? The price of Drakes may even drop further, cause no one would want them anymore? IÆve only seen two other TenguÆs around my station at Irjunen. Usually itÆs Raven, CNR, Raven, Golem, CNR, CNR, Raven, Golem, CNR, etc, (you know what I mean). Once in a great while I have seen another Tengu. IÆd love to see more of this fine ship! (Of course, this is MHO). -Jaz
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.13 21:39:00 - [2] stop alt posting mr. tengu salesman. tengu is pretty bad. and with a fit like that I'm pretty sure I know why your cnr sucks against anything smaller.
Yamato1940	Posted - 2010.02.13 22:28:00 - [3] i was planning to go for the amarr t3 cruiser, no ammmo need!!
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.13 22:46:00 - [4] Originally by: Yamato1940 i was planning to go for the amarr t3 cruiser, no ammmo need!! that is an even worse idea.
Jazmyn Stone	Posted - 2010.02.14 00:20:00 - [5] Well Mr. Plankton, I am not selling any Tengu's. I just wanted to make a comment on what I have experienced so far with the Tengu, and reinforcing with other people who have made similiar posts about the Tengu. So why do you decide to criticise me? You the heck are you anyway? Please think next time you make a reply. I did not say all those mods were all the mods that are on my CNR. I have only borrowed some of them like the hardener, resist amp, shield amp,and the BCU's. gheesh Shame, shame on you. -Jaz
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.14 00:28:00 - [6] Originally by: Jazmyn Stone I just wanted to make a comment on what I have experienced so far with the Tengu, and reinforcing with other people who have made similiar posts about the Tengu. Well your experience with the Tengu is opposite of mine. I bought a Raven, a CNR, a Golem, and a Tengu. I have "max skills" for all of them. I tried them all out. The CNR and Golem are both much better than the Tengu. HML Tengu: - Has to shoot frigs (this costs ~3-4 seconds per frig in the mission). - Spends a lot on ammo per mission - Is unable to get much benefit from a painter, and no you don't one volley every frigate without a painter either. HAM Tengu: - Has to shoot frigs (this costs ~3-4 seconds per frig in the mission). - Spends a lot on ammo per mission - Has ridiculously short range for no real reason The Tengu is a pile of trash if you're comparing it to a "serious" mission runner. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Future Mutant Republic Military School	Posted - 2010.02.14 00:52:00 - [7] Ive found the tengu to be comparable to a cnr in time doing lvl 4's. I would say its roughly equal or slightly faster then a golem though the golem can salvage/loot as it goes while the tengu is essentially blitzing. My fit is a bit on the expensive side but nothing outrageous. I use the 6 his, 7 meds, 3 lows subsystem layout. His are hams, mids are 1 invuln, 1 em passive amp, 1 cap recharger, 1 shield boost amp, 1 webber, 1 pithum a med booster, 10 mn ab. lows are 3 bcs. rigs are 1 flight time and 1 velocity missle rig. does around 800 dps using terror rages- range of 34km- range increases to mid 50's with javs. Defense is ridiculously high and sufficient for lvl 4's even when multiple webbs are on you. I mostly use it for lvl 3's tbh- the golem makes more isk per hour. But the tengu is an "acceptable" substitute and i use it occasionally.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.14 00:59:00 - [8] Originally by: Jazmyn Stone Well Mr. Plankton, I am not selling any Tengu's. I just wanted to make a comment on what I have experienced so far with the Tengu, and reinforcing with other people who have made similiar posts about the Tengu. So why do you decide to criticise me? You the heck are you anyway? Please think next time you make a reply. I did not say all those mods were all the mods that are on my CNR. I have only borrowed some of them like the hardener, resist amp, shield amp,and the BCU's. gheesh Shame, shame on you. -Jaz not selling any, that's what they all say every similar post about the tengu gets destroyed, lolkin bonus, no drones and such. better question who the heck are you? well without posting your cnr fit you are unfairly comparing them.
Mortis Betruger	Posted - 2010.02.14 02:02:00 - [9] Another poster that thinks the Tengu does not have drones. Offesive Subsystem Rifling Launcher Pattern drone bandwidth 25 mbt/sec drone capacity 50 m3. I am very happy with the Tengu. So if ya dont know the ship has drones then what do ya know. If your gonna post then make sure you know what your talkin about.
VanNostrum Tigers Of Anatolia	Posted - 2010.02.14 02:33:00 - [10] Originally by: Jazmyn Stone But what would happen to the price of CNRÆs? What would happen to the price of the Tengu? The price of Drakes may even drop further, cause no one would want them anymore? quite the opposite, if ppl don't use a moddule/ship much their prices go up as manufacturers don't make them any more due to low demand and lack of market competetion stops price-cuts.

Jazmyn Stone	Posted - 2010.02.14 02:35:00 - [11] CNR: Rigor,2xccc 7xCruise launchers II 798dps w/drones,4646 volley True Sansha Nos or Drone link Pith A XL SB 1356/4s CN Shield Boost amp 2xCN hardeners CN resist amp Cap Recharger II 3xCN BCU PDU II 8 Light II 6 Med II I have low grade crystals, zmu1000, zml100, zma100, zms100, zmm100. Everyone knows cruise missiles don't do well on the smaller targets, that's what the drones are for. My Tengu does take out most frigates with volley (not the elite). I really don't even need the Med. Shield ext on the Tengu, I had thought of on a TP, and I have used the webber on some spider drones. What I was trying to say without righting a book is that my Tengu with it's heavy missiles and high dps, takes out the smaller targets better than my CNR with cruise. Why is there so much anger about this?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.14 02:40:00 - [12] Originally by: Mortis Betruger Another poster that thinks the Tengu does not have drones. Offesive Subsystem Rifling Launcher Pattern drone bandwidth 25 mbt/sec drone capacity 50 m3. I am very happy with the Tengu. So if ya dont know the ship has drones then what do ya know. If your gonna post then make sure you know what your talkin about. in the standard fitting it does not, in your lol fitting who even cares?
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.14 02:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Jazmyn Stone CNR: Rigor,2xccc 7xCruise launchers II 798dps w/drones,4646 volley True Sansha Nos or Drone link Pith A XL SB 1356/4s CN Shield Boost amp 2xCN hardeners CN resist amp Cap Recharger II 3xCN BCU PDU II 8 Light II 6 Med II I have low grade crystals, zmu1000, zml100, zma100, zms100, zmm100. Everyone knows cruise missiles don't do well on the smaller targets, that's what the drones are for. My Tengu does take out most frigates with volley (not the elite). I really don't even need the Med. Shield ext on the Tengu, I had thought of on a TP, and I have used the webber on some spider drones. What I was trying to say without righting a book is that my Tengu with it's heavy missiles and high dps, takes out the smaller targets better than my CNR with cruise. Why is there so much anger about this? 1 rigor, no painters, and only 3 bcus. of course you cant kill cruisers well in that. or are you shooting frigs in a raven? and there is no anger.
Jazmyn Stone	Posted - 2010.02.14 03:42:00 - [14] I get it now. My first mistake was to make a post on the Tengu. I guess I missed that memo. Second mistake was that I posted my CNR fit. Somehow I knew that no matter what I would post someone would find fault with it some where. Give me a fracken break! I never said I had any trouble with cruisers. I do not have trouble in L4 missions, never said I did. Do some of you people just sit back and wait for someone make a post and then pick out every little bit, by the way you missed some of my spelling errors. (I'm sure you'll go back and look.) This post on the Tengu really touches some nerves with some people. Y'all can stop here now, I'm not going to be fodder for your bantering.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.14 04:14:00 - [15] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 14/02/2010 04:18:04 Edited by: Liang Nuren on 14/02/2010 04:14:30 Originally by: Jazmyn Stone My first mistake was to make a post on the Tengu. I guess I missed that memo. Second mistake was that I posted my CNR fit. No, your first mistake was a **ty CNR fit. Your second mistake was comparing it to the "standard" Tengu fit. Here, have a reasonable CNR fit: [Raven Navy Issue, Standard] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Signal Amplifier II Caldari Navy X-Large Shield Booster Heavy Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800 Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Photon Scattering Field II Target Painter II Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Cruise Missile Launcher II, Wrath Fury Cruise Missile Small Tractor Beam I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Warrior II x5 Bouncer II x3 Feel free to drop the Cruse IIs for CN Cruise if it so pleases you. -Liang Ed: Formatting. Quote: Everyone knows cruise missiles don't do well on the smaller targets, that's what the drones are for. The CNR fit above does fine. One volleying [certain] cruisers isn't a Golem only trick. ;-) Quote: I had thought of on a TP Don't bother - the cycle time on the painter is waaaaay longer than the cycle time on your launchers... its generally not a useful thing to have on the ship. Not sure what a useful thing to put in its place is, sadly. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum *** Extraordinaire
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.14 04:20:00 - [16] Originally by: Mortis Betruger Another poster that thinks the Tengu does not have drones. Offesive Subsystem Rifling Launcher Pattern drone bandwidth 25 mbt/sec drone capacity 50 m3. I am very happy with the Tengu. So if ya dont know the ship has drones then what do ya know. If your gonna post then make sure you know what your talkin about. Its a huge DPS hit to add a drone bay to the Tengu - enough of one that you can't possibly recover enough time from the drones to make up for it in mission scenarios. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Sfynx Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.02.14 06:17:00 - [17] HAM Tengu with rage missiles, couple range+flare rigs, faction BCS, small deadspace shield booster, couple kinetic and/or thermal hardeners and one or two painters simply obliterates anything guristas/serpentis. With a 6-launcher setup you can get >800 dps rather easily this way. Faction/deadspace pimp your afterburner + fuel catalyst subsystem for extra effect. It is an ideal 0.0 combat exploration ship, at least for Guristas, with the exception of sites with neutralizers you can't dispose of quickly (or excessive webbing right at pocket entry outside of HAM range, like the Gurista Fortress complex, in which case you switch to HML for that one). Ammo usage is hardly an issue, kill six battleship belt rats and you just earned more than your hold's full of new ammo. Yes, you need to target and shoot frigates, which means you spend another 1 or 2 minutes on a pocket. In return I don't have to babysit drones when extra stuff spawns (standard behavior in cosmic anomalies). Furthermore, I find that one pointer cycle nicely matches with the popping frequency of elite frigates. CNR is nice if you value the small fraction of extra DPS it probably gives you in L4 missions, while sacrificing agility/speed, tank, and general excitement. Oh the Tengu permatanks things like final 8/10 Guristas complex room aggro, because of the cruiser+resist+speed thing... with small deadspace shield booster + rest T2 if you wish. Which one is ultimately better is not a matter of comparing DPS figures and rdawing graphs. For 0.0 exploration work I'd never want to use a CNR.
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.14 06:29:00 - [18] yes exactly Sfynx, it is a great 0.0 exploration ship. but hardly worth writing an ode to tengu for lv3/4 missions.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.14 07:18:00 - [19] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 14/02/2010 07:18:07 Originally by: Sfynx CNR is nice if you value the small fraction of extra DPS it probably gives you in L4 missions ... Which one is ultimately better is not a matter of comparing DPS figures and rdawing graphs. For 0.0 exploration work I'd never want to use a CNR. In L4s yes every bit of DPS counts and it is not a small gain. Taking an extra 2 minutes to finish a pocket because you had to zip every which-a-way with your HAMs and shoot a bunch of frigs is killer to your ISK/hr in L4s. -Liang Ed: I would also say that the Tengu is better than a CNR for running C3s. ;-) -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Krinthe Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.02.14 07:43:00 - [20] Wait, what? What? Wait...Ummm....(way perplexed)... You spent over 1 BILLION on a ship to run missions? Are you F'n nuts? If your going to just toss ISK around like that, mind giving me some. I can and WILL put a BILLION ISK to a much better use. Not trying to be rude or anything...but thats just...wow!! Reminds me of those people who buy little Honda Civics and put glass paks on them to make them sound like they have some sort of mega duty race engine in them. Tis funny. A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.

Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.14 08:09:00 - [21] Edited by: Liang Nuren on 14/02/2010 08:08:50 Originally by: Krinthe Wait, what? What? Wait...Ummm....(way perplexed)... You spent over 1 BILLION on a ship to run missions? Are you F'n nuts? If your going to just toss ISK around like that, mind giving me some. I can and WILL put a BILLION ISK to a much better use. Not trying to be rude or anything...but thats just...wow!! Reminds me of those people who buy little Honda Civics and put glass paks on them to make them sound like they have some sort of mega duty race engine in them. Tis funny. Not to worry, this is just you being stupid. See, the thing about it is that its an investment. In Eve, just because you've sat in the seat the value doesn't depreciate - so if you spend 2B ISK on your ship you can sell it for 2B ISK. So tell me - who is more stupid... the guy that invests 2B ISK into his mission running rig for 40% more ISK/hr or the guy that grinds away 66% more time in a cheap ship? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Chainsaw Plankton IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE	Posted - 2010.02.14 08:11:00 - [22] Originally by: Krinthe Wait, what? What? Wait...Ummm....(way perplexed)... You spent over 1 BILLION on a ship to run missions? Are you F'n nuts? If your going to just toss ISK around like that, mind giving me some. I can and WILL put a BILLION ISK to a much better use. Not trying to be rude or anything...but thats just...wow!! Reminds me of those people who buy little Honda Civics and put glass paks on them to make them sound like they have some sort of mega duty race engine in them. Tis funny. a billion isn't that much.
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.02.14 09:33:00 - [23] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 14/02/2010 09:34:23 Originally by: Krinthe Wait, what? What? Wait...Ummm....(way perplexed)... You spent over 1 BILLION on a ship to run missions? Are you F'n nuts? >_< Welcome to EvE. Most people who have been running lvl 4's for their main source of income tend to upgrade their ship with at least a couple of modules which easily brings the total ship cost over 1 bil, especially of you consider marauder / faction ship hull costs. I really wonder why pretty much every post you make is as high on expletives as it is on ignorance. Support Lana's new bounty system.
Krinthe Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.02.14 10:53:00 - [24] Guess I am being misunderstood.....or perhaps, the other way around To spend 1bil on a ship to do missions??? I dunno, to each his/her own..But when the same thing can be done for much less....hmmm..its a way to go I guess. Now, to spend that much on a ship to go kick some ass....Ahhh, now were talkin. Just seems a bit overkill to me to use such a ship on puny little missions. Gets it done faster you say...Hmmm. Time, interesting concept. A minute, an hour, a day...pffft, meaningless when it comes to EVE. Whats the hurry when there is Persistence of Time. Fault is mine. Fault is time. A billion to spend you have, spend as you will. Enjoy!! A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.
Pandares Gallente hindsight is 20-20	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:06:00 - [25] Originally by: Krinthe Gets it done faster you say...Hmmm. Time, interesting concept. A minute, an hour, a day...pffft, meaningless when it comes to EVE. Whats the hurry when there is Persistence of Time. Persistence of time? Is that roleplay or something? Who cares that time is eternal, when human life is not? _______________________________________________
Ran Khanon Amarr Vengeance Innovations	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:08:00 - [26] Edited by: Ran Khanon on 14/02/2010 11:08:26 Originally by: Krinthe Guess I am being misunderstood.....or perhaps, the other way around To spend 1bil on a ship to do missions??? I dunno, to each his/her own..But when the same thing can be done for much less....hmmm..its a way to go I guess. Now, to spend that much on a ship to go kick some ass....Ahhh, now were talkin. Just seems a bit overkill to me to use such a ship on puny little missions. Gets it done faster you say...Hmmm. Time, interesting concept. A minute, an hour, a day...pffft, meaningless when it comes to EVE. Whats the hurry when there is Persistence of Time. Fault is mine. Fault is time. A billion to spend you have, spend as you will. Enjoy!! It makes a world of difference actually. Especially if you consider that if you've got for instance a repper which repairs almost twice the amount of a normal one, you need less slots for hardeners = more slots for gank. Not only can you improve much on each module, having better modules gives you more flexibility in load out. Also you have to realize that lvl 4 mission runners make a ***load of isk with enough to spend on extra pvp ships and fits. p.s. The answer to your question in your bio is that humans didn't evolve from modern day chimps and monkeys but humans, chimps and modern day monkeys evolved from common ancestors; chimpmanmonkeys* if you will. And yeah I am a nosey one :) Support Lana's new bounty system.
superteds	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:26:00 - [27] what is with the ****ty fits itt?
Katarlia Simov Minmatar Cowboys From Hell	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:27:00 - [28] Ahhh the perennial tengu thread re-appears again. Why does something have to be 'perfect' to be even worth using to you guys ? The tengu is a good mission running ship, just not as good as the golem and CNR. And who would have thought... considering that its a cruiser against a two turbo battleships. Seriously... if you aren't actually talking about the tengu and how to fit it, then GTFO. Does it personally offend you to see people enjoying their t3 ship ? Or are all you guys CNR salesmen ? Actually you kind of are, since y'all are the ones generating hundreds of thousands of navy LPs every day. Anyways, some people, (me included) have a tengu for missioning, and believe that being unprobable (ie impossible to steal from) and able to go to low sec whenever we need to is a fair trade off for not having a 'perfect' mission fit. You know back when I used to use a CNR, I used to get probed every third mission or there abouts, which meant the loss of everything cept bounties and LP, even worse if you were running a drone mission. You fight back, you most likely get something unpleasant with neutralizers and a taste for loot land on you soon after. The CNR lobby is full of self righteous, self agrandising, chest thumping, arrogant **ers, totally focused on worshiping the theoretical max isk/hour, and they should stop invading any thread relating to the tengu and screaming at people to fly what they fly. Go ** yourselves.
Linsyn	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:34:00 - [29] Originally by: Krinthe Wait, what? What? Wait...Ummm....(way perplexed)... You spent over 1 BILLION on a ship to run missions? Are you F'n nuts? If your going to just toss ISK around like that, mind giving me some. I can and WILL put a BILLION ISK to a much better use. Not trying to be rude or anything...but thats just...wow!! Reminds me of those people who buy little Honda Civics and put glass paks on them to make them sound like they have some sort of mega duty race engine in them. Tis funny. Actually anyone that cares to invest vast amounts in their ships usually more than make it up in time doing the hardest of missions doing 2 or three before you finish one And tbh these people are usually over flowing with wedge what else to spend it on?
Krinthe Gallente The Scope	Posted - 2010.02.14 11:50:00 - [30] Originally by: Linsyn what else to spend it on? Ahh, we got a winner..kinda. To this, my earlier post was NOT attributed to. Fault is mine. Is no one else on the plane of thought as I? Today, tomorrow and the next. It is as you make it to be. 1 billion = pocket change to you. 1 billion = retirement to others. As I see, you do not. As You see, I do not. Persistence of Time = Anthrax (which btw, would be an excellent song for EVE. Dont know, Google it. Perhaps it is ancient to most of you. Legendary in my TIME. This thread has been fun A 10th of all I earn I keep for myself.



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