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Laechyd Eldgorn
Caldari Endemic Aggression Exalted.
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Posted - 2010.02.14 11:50:00 -
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Originally by: Yamato1940 i was planning to go for the amarr t3 cruiser, no ammmo need!!
And you will be doing crap damage too!
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RenegadeChemist
Caldari Old Farts Club DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:00:00 -
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[Tengu, Shadow] Damage Control II Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
Gist B-Type Photon Scattering Field Caldari Navy Invulnerability Field Pithi A-Type Small Shield Booster Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Caldari Navy Shield Boost Amplifier Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Heavy Missile Launcher II, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Capacitor Control Circuit I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Electronics - Dissolution Sequencer Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir
That's way overtanked. That what I used, did around 70 or 100 missions with it. I smashed my old CNR reconds 100-0. If I ever get back into empire and do missions again, will not even think about getting into CNR for mission blitzing.
You need only change the EM and EX hardener depending on mission.
First throw in T1 heavies if mission information says that there will be webbing frigates.
Secondly, kill the webbing frigates and other frigates and burn away from next gate or blob of NPC's.
Then throw in T2 fury heavy missiles and start orbiting something like next gate or structure. Shoot the NPC's and profit.
All missions were like walk in the park with it, shields staying at 99-100%, except if you were lazy and just stayed still. But of course keep moving, the speed kills incoming DPS. Webbers and neuts are your worst fear, but still I was shocked that you don't need drones at all.
T1 heavy missiles have better explosion radius than furys, so that's why you use them against small targets. I even used faction heavies, but they are little too expensive for continous use.
I think the largest amount of T2 missiles I used was little over 2500 units in one mission with average price between 300 and 400 ISK per unit. Cheap.
If you want to make serious cash, you get alt in second T3 cruiser and have subsystems for tractor beam bonus and massive tank. Fly both in mission and collect salvage at the same time you smash through the mission with your main. I couldn't do that, didn't have alt capable of flying second tengu.
CNR does about the same DPS than Tengu, range is about the same, but it's slower and much more vulnerable.
I remind that my fit above is around 2 B ISK, and it's over tanked. I tried it with Pithi A-type, CN BCU's and rest T2 or best named and basically the result was the same I think you can have my above fit replaced with cheaper mods and subsystems and Tengu hull with the same price you get CNR hull.
But if you do go with cheaper fit, and less tanking, webbers will be more dangerous.
Tengu beats CNR 100-0. Period.
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RenegadeChemist
Caldari Old Farts Club DEFI4NT
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:06:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
HML Tengu: - Spends a lot on ammo per mission
My highest ammunition cost was under 1 million ISK in one mission...
CNR is big and ugly pile of trash compared to the really serious mission runner.
You are just doing it wrong.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:18:00 -
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The Tengu makes low sec mission-running profitable again. I am extremely satisfied with mine.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
NightmareX
Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:49:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 14/02/2010 12:50:08 Can i ask why you guys are using a Small Shield Booster on a Tengu?.
You can't tank a full aggro with that. You can even run a Medium Shield Booster and still be cap stable on a Tengu.
If i can run my Loki with a Large Shield Booster and be cap stable at 56% cap even when i run my AB all the time, then you can for sure run a Medium Shield Booster on a Tengu and still be cap stable.
If not, your doing something very wrong.
But then, my Loki tanks 1.7k DPS heh.
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kyrieee
Psykotic Meat Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.14 12:57:00 -
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Edited by: kyrieee on 14/02/2010 12:57:43 Haha, Liang really hates the Tengu
CNR is slightly faster but Tengu isn't a pile of trash
edit: Nightmare, you suck As if you hadn't made that clear enough already
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Pandares
Gallente hindsight is 20-20
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:03:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX But then, my Loki tanks 1.7k DPS heh.
I'm interested in your fit _______________________________________________
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Samroski
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:17:00 -
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I am with the OP on this one. I am a trader who does missions for fun- and the most fun I have had in L4s is with a Tengu.
I have used a CNR and a Rattlesnake (before the Dominion nerf), and the tengu is much faster than both in L4s.
Current fit: [Tengu] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Ballistic Control System II
Pithi B-Type Small Shield Booster Pith B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier Invulnerability Field II Invulnerability Field II Magnetic Scattering Amplifier II Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner
Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile Caldari Navy Heavy Missile Launcher, Caldari Navy Scourge Heavy Missile
Medium Bay Loading Accelerator II Medium Warhead Rigor Catalyst I
Tengu Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate Tengu Defensive - Amplification Node Tengu Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir Tengu Offensive - Accelerated Ejection Bay Tengu Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
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NightmareX
Infinitus Odium Scum Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:32:00 -
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Edited by: NightmareX on 14/02/2010 13:32:38
Originally by: Pandares
Originally by: NightmareX But then, my Loki tanks 1.7k DPS heh.
I'm interested in your fit
Here you go.
High-Slot:
5 x 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion M 1 x Corpii A-Type Small Nosferatu
Med-Slot:
1 x Republic Fleet 10MN Afterburner 1 x Gist B-Type Large Shield Booster 2 x Dread Guristas Invulnerability Field 2 x Gist B-Type Shield Boost Amplifier
Low-Slot:
1 x Damage Control II 3 x Republic Fleet Gyrostabilizer
Subsystems:
Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer Loki Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix Loki Offensive - Projectile Scoping Array Loki Propulsion - Fuel Catalyst
Rigs:
1 x Medium Capacitor Control Circuit II 2 x Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Drones:
5 x Hobgoblin II (In space) 5 x Hobgoblin II (Extra in drone cargo)
This setup have the whole LG Crystal Set, a +3% to all turrets damage implant and a +3% to tracking implant, a +3% to capacitor implant and a -3% lower CPU usage on turrets implant.
With the LG Crystal set, my Loki tanks exactly 1678 DPS (2602 DPS with all of the shield mods overloaded). With the 425mm AC guns + the 3 x RF Gyros + the damage implant, this Loki does 613 DPS (690 DPS with all of the guns overloaded).
This setup have 93.1% EM, 88.9% Thermal, 88% Kinetic and 86.2% Explosive resists. And it have a speed of 786 m/s (1060 m/s with the AB overloaded. The Loki also have 160 m in sig radius. And this setup is cap stable at 50% capacitor.
But the thing is though that i'm still cap stable at 40% cap without the nos.
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:36:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX You can even run a Medium Shield Booster and still be cap stable on a Tengu.
You can actually fit an X-Large Shield Booster and run a cap-stable setup. This ship is amazing.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
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Veliria
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:38:00 -
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A Tengu won't be as efficient as a Golem or CNR, but I can understand that some pilots who hate sluggy and slow Battleships may see the Tengu as a nice alternative.
The two main downsides of the Tengu is that the damage bonus it gets is for Kinetic only (limiting you to Guristas, Serpentis, Mercs and EoM) and that you get no dronebay.
You do get a ship in return that can lock stuff a lot faster, works equally well on all ships and can AB around the field quickly.
In the end it's a matter of taste, if people prefer to fly a Tengu in their lvl 4 missions, I'd say let them do as they please.
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Jazmyn Stone
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Posted - 2010.02.14 13:47:00 -
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Thanks to many of you for your replies. (yes, even the expected mean ones.)
Thank you Katarlia! You said exactly what I could not put into words.
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar Rainbow Road
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Posted - 2010.02.14 14:01:00 -
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it's a matter of taste i guess, i can fly a maxed out CNR but now will use a tengu anyday as it requires no brainpower to fly
the ship is pretty glorious though, took it into devils dig site room 2 and farmed the crap out of it, a CNR would have died in seconds in there :P
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Exlegion
Caldari Salva Veritate
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Posted - 2010.02.14 15:06:00 -
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Originally by: Veliria The two main downsides of the Tengu is that the damage bonus it gets is for Kinetic only (limiting you to Guristas, Serpentis, Mercs and EoM) and that you get no dronebay.
That the Tengu has no drone bay isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's actually quite handy that a Tengu doesn't depend on drones for DPS when running missions in low sec. Drones would defeat the purpose of an unprobeable Tengu.
One of us equals many of us. Disrespect one of us, you'll see plenty of us. - Gang Starr |
Mortis Betruger
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Posted - 2010.02.14 15:14:00 -
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Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: Mortis Betruger Another poster that thinks the Tengu does not have drones. Offesive Subsystem Rifling Launcher Pattern drone bandwidth 25 mbt/sec drone capacity 50 m3. I am very happy with the Tengu. So if ya dont know the ship has drones then what do ya know. If your gonna post then make sure you know what your talkin about.
Its a huge DPS hit to add a drone bay to the Tengu - enough of one that you can't possibly recover enough time from the drones to make up for it in mission scenarios.
-Liang
thats not the point,poster said no drones i never said to use the drone sub system just that the tengu does have a drone system.
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Sfynx
Caldari The Arrow Project Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.02.14 16:22:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/02/2010 13:28:14 Can i ask why you guys are using a Small Shield Booster on a Tengu?.
You can't tank a full aggro with that.
You actually can, especially against kinetic or thermal rats, because it is a cruiser with all the tanking advantages that come with it (speed and sig), including very high kin/therm resists when an amplification node subsystem is fitted. I see people tank final 8/10 Pith complex stages with all T2 except for a small deadspace shield booster without any problems.
So in a lot of cases is it very easy to overtank the thing.
Battleships soak up more damage because they are slower and bigger, so they need more boost to compensate for lost HP.
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Gul Rashen
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Posted - 2010.02.14 18:26:00 -
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Edited by: Gul Rashen on 14/02/2010 18:32:44 If i take a look at my Missiontimes, i come to this results:
Torp-Golem > Tengu > CM-CNR/CM-Golem
I need 37 minutes with my HM-Tengu for an AE (without Bonusroom). Nobody can say that a Ship that is able to run an AE, a GE or a WC in under 40minutes is a bad choice for Missionrunners.
All my Skills for these Ships are on lvl5, running Missions with Caldariships since 2006.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.14 19:44:00 -
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Edited by: Liang Nuren on 14/02/2010 19:48:56
Originally by: Katarlia Simov Why does something have to be 'perfect' to be even worth using to you guys ?
It doesn't - I just refuse to allow someone to compare a "good" Tengu setup with a ****ty CNR setup and call the Tengu all around a lot better. He claims in the OP that things were taking a long time with the CNR and the Tengu turned him into a predator. Yeah well that happens when you have a **** setup on one ship and a good setup on another.
Quote: The tengu is a good mission running ship, just not as good as the golem and CNR. And who would have thought... considering that its a cruiser against a two turbo battleships.
And if he wanted to say "Its 15% slower but I don't really have to think about it... blah blah blah" then I'd have said "Yep". But any time someone says the Tengu is better than the CNR in performance you can expect to see me state that they're dead ****ing wrong. And I WILL shove it down their throat until they understand that the Tengu is a good ship, but its not better than the CNR.
Quote: Seriously... if you aren't actually talking about the tengu and how to fit it, then GTFO.
We are actually talking about the Tengu.
Quote: Actually you kind of are, since y'all are the ones generating hundreds of thousands of navy LPs every day.
Only if you mission for Caldari...
Quote: and believe that being unprobable
IIRC this doesn't actually work in game due to a bug with ECCMs and Jackals.
Quote: You know back when I used to use a CNR, I used to get probed every third mission or there abouts, which meant the loss of everything cept bounties and LP, even worse if you were running a drone mission. You fight back, you most likely get something unpleasant with neutralizers and a taste for loot land on you soon after.
Stop missioning for crappy agents in systems full of people. I've been missioning for years without anyone EVER scanning my mission down outside of lowsec. And in lowsec they didn't live to tell about it. ;-)
Quote: The CNR lobby is full of self righteous, self agrandising, chest thumping, arrogant ****ers, totally focused on worshiping the theoretical max isk/hour, and they should stop invading any thread relating to the tengu and screaming at people to fly what they fly. Go **** yourselves.
No, the "CNR lobby" is full of EXPERIENCED PILOTS who are RIGHT. Just because your baby got a **** taken on it doesn't mean that we're wrong or self righteous. Take your words, and back atcha.
-Liang
Ed: Note that I also don't mind people saying its a fantastic plexing ship, or that its a fantastic WH ship. It is - and is better than the CNR for both of those IMO. But it is NOT better for L4s, which is what the topic was about. -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.14 19:48:00 -
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Originally by: RenegadeChemist My highest ammunition cost was under 1 million ISK in one mission...
Cool now compare it to the 200K I spend on the biggest mission and the fact I do it faster. So I have higher total revenue and lower costs... yep Tengu is sounding real appealing now!
Quote: CNR is big and ugly pile of trash compared to the really serious mission runner.
You are just doing it wrong.
See, the problem is that even theoretically the Tengu doesn't beat a CNR except in 1-2 missions that generally aren't worth doing anyway. Then my experience with the ships confirms this with a pretty small margin of error. Basically you're just a clueless troll. :)
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
Professor Villinghopper
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Posted - 2010.02.14 20:15:00 -
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Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 14/02/2010 20:18:17 Edited by: Professor Villinghopper on 14/02/2010 20:16:42 The Tengu is an excellent choice for a newer pilot to run missions with. Its top advantages over the battleship hulls in my opinion would have to be:
1. It is significantly more forgiving as far as tanking goes. All you really need to run level 4 missions on it is an afterburner, and some kind of shield booster. A t2 small or medium will work just fine, you just have to be aware of the webber frigs and shoot them first.
2. It is very useful to skill the related skills for it early. As you skill for the Tengu's weapon systems, you are also skilling what is arguably one of the best Caldari PVP boats, the Drake, be it HML or HAM. Those cruiser related skills will also transfer over quite nicely to a Rook, Cerb, or Onyx. If your primary goals are to do small scall pvp, its a very attractive option.
This does not make it the best mission running ship, but if you are willing to give up a bit of ISK/HR, you can open up many options early beyond mission running to yourself by skilling for T3. For many pilots, I'd think this is much more attractive than the Raven line.
P.S. You can use a target painter for the small ships, its not terribly hard to figure out that once the small ship dies you just switch targets to something you don't need a TP on for full damage and kill that until your TP is off cycle. Battlecruisers are a good choice, they die with 2-3 shots, which should be more than enough time(while still not taking long in the case of shooting webbing frigs) for your TP to finish its cycle.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 20:54:00 -
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Originally by: Katarlia Simov Ahhh the perennial tengu thread re-appears again.
Why does something have to be 'perfect' to be even worth using to you guys ? The tengu is a good mission running ship, just not as good as the golem and CNR. And who would have thought... considering that its a cruiser against a two turbo battleships.
Seriously... if you aren't actually talking about the tengu and how to fit it, then GTFO. Does it personally offend you to see people enjoying their t3 ship ? Or are all you guys CNR salesmen ? Actually you kind of are, since y'all are the ones generating hundreds of thousands of navy LPs every day.
Anyways, some people, (me included) have a tengu for missioning, and believe that being unprobable (ie impossible to steal from) and able to go to low sec whenever we need to is a fair trade off for not having a 'perfect' mission fit. You know back when I used to use a CNR, I used to get probed every third mission or there abouts, which meant the loss of everything cept bounties and LP, even worse if you were running a drone mission. You fight back, you most likely get something unpleasant with neutralizers and a taste for loot land on you soon after.
The CNR lobby is full of self righteous, self agrandising, chest thumping, arrogant ****ers, totally focused on worshiping the theoretical max isk/hour, and they should stop invading any thread relating to the tengu and screaming at people to fly what they fly. Go **** yourselves.
it doesn't just don't make claims based on your crap fit/skills.
lol cnr salesman, I did that once when they went for 700m+ have you looked at the isk/lp of cnrs wouldn't even think about it. I personally enjoy my ishtar, but I don't go making posts about how it is so much more awesome than any other ship.
getting probed out eh? I have been in irjunen for almost 3 years now (on and off), saw 1 buzzard in one of my missions, and I didn't even see him go to salvage anything. not that I was looting or salving anyways, and yes it was an Angels Extra.
but yes if you want to go to lowsec and be unprobeable then awesome! enjoy the awesome lp that lowsec missions bring, and the awesome mission hubs. the t3 ships are the best for this type of work. but the op said nothing of lowsec
and personally I like the Nightmare best, but I have no objective argument to why it is better than another awesome mission ship.
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Lugalzagezi666
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:02:00 -
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I love being probed when missioning. Maybe because most of the time i have some recon opened that i can sit in with my nightmare /what a shame you cant run mwd in recon 3/.
And tengu is great. Nightmare is much better but i like 740dps hml tengu alot. For lowsec missions too.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: NightmareX Edited by: NightmareX on 14/02/2010 13:28:14 Can i ask why you guys are using a Small Shield Booster on a Tengu?.
You can't tank a full aggro with that. You can even run a Medium Shield Booster and still be cap stable on a Tengu.
If i can run my Loki with a Large Shield Booster and be cap stable at 50% cap even when i run my AB all the time, then you can for sure run a Medium Shield Booster on a Tengu and still be cap stable.
If not, your doing something very wrong.
But then, my Loki tanks 1.7k DPS heh.
small booster lets you be cap stable with afterburner and 4 bcus and 3 rigor rigs. with its smallish sig and awesome resists full stage aggro shouldn't be a problem. especially against guristas as a lot of their damage comes from battleship sized missiles.
I dunno if 3 rigors is even necessary, I was blitzing some level 3s for standings the other day and was 1 volleying frigs with scourge fury in a drake.
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Chainsaw Plankton
IDLE GUNS IDLE EMPIRE
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Posted - 2010.02.14 21:22:00 -
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Originally by: Gul Rashen Edited by: Gul Rashen on 14/02/2010 18:32:44 If i take a look at my Missiontimes, i come to this results:
Torp-Golem > Tengu > CM-CNR/CM-Golem
I need 37 minutes with my HM-Tengu for an AE (without Bonusroom). Nobody can say that a Ship that is able to run an AE, a GE or a WC in under 40minutes is a bad choice for Missionrunners.
All my Skills for these Ships are on lvl5, running Missions with Caldariships since 2006.
I got that time in my nightmare 1 jump away from accept to turn in.
if the tengu is tying the nightmares worst case then
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Azcatl
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Posted - 2010.02.15 01:16:00 -
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Edited by: Azcatl on 15/02/2010 01:17:47
Originally by: Liang Nuren
Originally by: RenegadeChemist My highest ammunition cost was under 1 million ISK in one mission...
Cool now compare it to the 200K I spend on the biggest mission and the fact I do it faster. So I have higher total revenue and lower costs... yep Tengu is sounding real appealing now!
Quote: CNR is big and ugly pile of trash compared to the really serious mission runner.
You are just doing it wrong.
Edit: I intend to actually run a Golem for lvl4 so should I buy a Tengu then skip CNR to Golem?
See, the problem is that even theoretically the Tengu doesn't beat a CNR except in 1-2 missions that generally aren't worth doing anyway. Then my experience with the ships confirms this with a pretty small margin of error. Basically you're just a clueless troll. :)
-Liang
Liang and any others who wish to answer this question.
To a newish pilot who has started running l4 missions but is also interested in WH/Plex/lO-SEC etc.
Which should I buy, a Tengu or a CNR. Please note atm I have 600mil and I'll only be able to afford 1 ship.
So until I get more cash for a CNR should I get a Tengu first?
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Jazmyn Stone
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Posted - 2010.02.15 01:42:00 -
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Liang, you *****!
If your going to criticise, at least have your facts straight and don't spin it to suit your needs. I never said that it was taking me a long time to do missions in my CNR. Could you please quote that one for me. I do not have any trouble at all doing L4 missions. Guess I didn't realize that we all were being timed in how long it takes to do missions either. So what if you do a mission a little quicker than someone else, BFD. I sit down an do 2-3 missions an evening, and that's just fine. Doesn't take me long to make a lot of isk, that's why I've spent 1B on the Tengu. What I did say was "in most of the missions that I've run, I think it (the Tengu) actually does better than my CNR". You took illogical offense to think that I was saying that my Tengu was better than any CNR. I said that "MY" Tengu, does better than "MY" CNR. my, my, my Geez, get a grip. Oh, Shove it down my throat? I don't think so, honey. You need to take a chill pill, or maybe some Valium. Breathe in, breathe out. Go run some missions and stay out of the forums.
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Jazmyn Stone
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Posted - 2010.02.15 02:04:00 -
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Azcat it really all depends on your skills. For both ships you should have your skills trained on the higher levels, and especially the support skills. Both ships excell when the pilot's skills are high.
For 600M could get either ship, but it also depends on how you're going to fit it. If you go to cheap you may regret it. I have 1B in my Tengu, and 2B in my CNR. Even if you have low sp, but have the standing to run L4's, doesn't mean you should actually fly one. I read in a forum a long time ago, that many people will lose the first Raven that they fly. Without knowing all your skills, and I don't need to know, it's hard to say. If you're wondering, maybe you should wait. Sorry for a generalized answer.
-Jaz
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Mortis Betruger
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Posted - 2010.02.15 03:17:00 -
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ISK/HR, how much for this, how fast with that, I got my Tengu because I thought it was cool. I play Eve to have fun.
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Azcatl
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Posted - 2010.02.15 03:22:00 -
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Originally by: Jazmyn Stone Azcat it really all depends on your skills. For both ships you should have your skills trained on the higher levels, and especially the support skills. Both ships excell when the pilot's skills are high.
For 600M could get either ship, but it also depends on how you're going to fit it. If you go to cheap you may regret it. I have 1B in my Tengu, and 2B in my CNR. Even if you have low sp, but have the standing to run L4's, doesn't mean you should actually fly one. I read in a forum a long time ago, that many people will lose the first Raven that they fly. Without knowing all your skills, and I don't need to know, it's hard to say. If you're wondering, maybe you should wait. Sorry for a generalized answer.
-Jaz
600mil is basically what I have for a Hull. I have a full T2 fit Drake right now with a couple of Caldari Navy pieces on my Raven.
I learnt all support skills to 4 before learing BS so my skills are good. Appreciate the advice. From what you are saying I'll be able to use the Tengu for a higher range of uses as apposed to the CNR.
Was hoping someone who is really CNR orientated may have a word. If they feel if I'm not going to be strictly doing missions I may be better in a Tengu would really tip the scales for the Tengu.
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Liang Nuren
No Salvation War.Pigs.
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Posted - 2010.02.15 03:30:00 -
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Originally by: Azcatl
Liang and any others who wish to answer this question.
To a newish pilot who has started running l4 missions but is also interested in WH/Plex/lO-SEC etc.
Which should I buy, a Tengu or a CNR. Please note atm I have 600mil and I'll only be able to afford 1 ship.
So until I get more cash for a CNR should I get a Tengu first?
For WHs, there is no substitute for the Drake/Tengu. For plexing, the Tengu seems very attractive - though I've seen some enticing Legion fits. Low sec... I'd probably want to stick to insurable T1 battleships.
-Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire |
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