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Lunewraith
Amarr
Ministry of War
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:14:00 -
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If you can play for free and still do what you like to do on a day to day basis, your doing fine.
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uinuja
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:21:00 -
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I've got a quite nice sum of isk but I can't figure out on what to spend it on.
Spending it on officer pvp ships would be stupid as I suck at pvp (go see my kb and laugh :).
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Akita T
Caldari
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:35:00 -
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Edited by: Akita T on 21/02/2010 23:36:47
 Originally by: Chainsaw Plankton
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Akita could you inflate<redacted> my ISK please.
You had your chance
In all fairness, I sort of had to close it down early because I already had received more ISK than what I was comfortable with 
So, you know, not everybody that might have wanted to "get in" actually got in 
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Xyfu
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:45:00 -
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Originally by: Elsa Nietzsche
i think when you start asking in corp chat just how much better is an x-type over an a-type you probably qualify as rich.
Like hell, I have a sum of 120m in my wallet, and I know for sure I'll be fitting X-Types.
Or I would, if there was a Pithum X MSB.
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Neddy Fox
Gallente
Paxton Industries
Paxton Federation
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Posted - 2010.02.21 23:51:00 -
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You are rich if you have enough money to "passively" sustain your pvp habits, IMO.
I can, and do, fly faction fitted ships and lose them regularly (even a x-type fitted navy domi, yes...) and still keep my wallet up with marketing and invention.
I don't think that people with 10B consider themselves upper class, I think that starts with BPO owners , and 100B+
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:02:00 -
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Here's the real life acid test:
Your yacht should cost no more than your net income x.1.
So whatever your biggest (isk costing) ship is your income should be 10x that.
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We lost around 1.5b worth of tower, fuel and modules total.
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Lashnar
Caldari
New Eden Recon Force
Beyond-Control
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:06:00 -
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Can you buy what you've always wanted? If yes, than you're rich.
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Noriko Rei
Venture Racing
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Posted - 2010.02.22 02:02:00 -
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I'd say rich is rather subjective in EVE. I've only got about 1.6b in cash, but I have all the ships and gear I really need because I rarely undock. By that standard, I have more than enough to keep me happy for a lifetime of EVE, so I'm rich. Were I involved in any risky activities, I'd consider myself quite poor.
I have enough ISK to give some away when I feel like it and not miss a dime of it. That's my standard of rich in this game.
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Kyle Cataclysm
Blue.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 03:11:00 -
[69]
Originally by: Sokratesz
If you can do what it takes to entertain you in this game, you are rich.
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Apoctasy
Deskira Industries
G String University
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Posted - 2010.02.22 03:22:00 -
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Rich is when you can lose any of your current pvp ships several times over and not really feel a dint in the wallet.
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Danton Marcellus
Nebula Rasa Holdings
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Posted - 2010.02.22 07:51:00 -
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Originally by: Apoctasy
Rich is when you can lose any of your current pvp ships several times over and not really feel a dint in the wallet.
Wait, what, when did this paradigm hit? 
I look away for a minute and now I'm dirt poor.
Should/would/could have, HAVE you chav!
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flakeys
Interstellar Brotherhood of Gravediggers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2010.02.22 08:21:00 -
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There are people with 100 mille logging in and having a blast and there are people with 50 bille + who log in just because it is a habbit to play the game.
Richness in eve should be determined by the fun factor not the amount of isk since the isk is virtuall but the entertainment you get if you are having fun is reall.
Only difference is that some people need a higher amount of isk to achieve this fun but usually the more isk = the more bored.
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Pychian Vanervi
Solar Revenue Service
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:07:00 -
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Rich is relative to what you want out of the game, some need to have billions to either support some ego trip at having X billion in their wallet for no other reason than having it, while others strive to be able to buy top end gear and ships. On the other hand some feel happy to be able to replace the lost PvP ship soon as it blows so an income of between 20 mill and 500 mill a week suffices.
I am of the mind set that if I have a fat wallet then I am not getting out and losing enough ships and that isk is dead money.. Its not the best rule to live by but I have plenty of fun in the game and as a 7yr character never had more than 800 mill in my wallet and not missed it.
I dont know have I just outed myself as a space hobo?
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2010.02.22 14:19:00 -
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Friends.
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Syberbolt8
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.22 16:26:00 -
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http://eveboard.com/fullranks/47-most-isk
fun links are fun.
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Xyfu
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.22 17:03:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Friends.
HAH, beat you to it.
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.02.22 19:40:00 -
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Originally by: Reem Fairchild
Originally by: Dodgy Past
With close to 10bn in assets I don't feel rich at all.
With my income it's enough to cover my day to day PvP losses if I fly T2 fit BCs and I'm not a complete idiot. I do need to improve my flying a bit before I start flying T2 ships though.
If you have a net worth of 10 billion and you're afraid of flying tech 2 ships, you either lose way, way too many ships, or you're careful at just pathological levels.
If you PvP most days and don't hide behind blobs then you're going to lose ships regularly. Especially when you're still experimenting and as an Amarr player it's amasing how often you're primaried.
Having said that I seem to be keeping my beam harb alive which means moving up to the Zealot could become an option.
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Elise Randolph
The Illuminati.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:01:00 -
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So long as I can buy a replacement Drake, I'm rich
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Dengen Krastinov
Amarr
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.22 20:22:00 -
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Edited by: Dengen Krastinov on 22/02/2010 20:24:13
I dont really think you can consider someone rich based solely on their liquid assets. Richness is more of a portfolio of someones total assets but even more importantly their ability to make copious amount of money investing the money they already have. In simple terms I'd say richness is a measure of someone's earning ability.
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Cadde
Gallente
221st Century Warfare
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Posted - 2010.02.23 03:42:00 -
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Originally by: Scout Ops
It depends on many factors. Your EVE age is one of the most important.
For a 5 days old jack, having 100m isk is an insane amount of money he could not even know where to spend in. Because a frigate is all what he can fly, and those cost 500k isk, or 6m isk with ultimate fittings.
On the other hand a 3 years old guy may find that 10b is a small wallet because he wants to buy several T2 BPO for longterm profit and stability but he can't afford them yet.
By the way, the average player wallet on this game is about 400m isk.
With an average wealth of each and every player in eve in the 400m ISK range i would like to say that 20 times the average is rich, which amounts to 8 billion ISK.
Now, lets average the time it takes the players to reach the 400 million ISK mark. Lacking any sources for this right now i will just go out on a limb and say it takes roughly 6 months to reach the 400 million mark.
The first 3 months are very very slow, then you gradually quicken the pace. The most average ISK making process in EvE is by far mission running, level 4 to be precise.
A single capsuleer can make on average, 50 million isk a day after 6 months... Though, it all depends on their accumulated knowledge/experience and current assets but it is my guesstimate anyways.
So if 400 million ISK is the average, and the average isk making capability for EVERYONE is 50 million a day... It would take a capsuleer 8 days to reach average and 160 days to reach rich in the game.
160 days in a game is a long time but i haven't yet included the other possibilities of making ISK. Lets cut that time in half and i think we have a reasonable timeframe to get from 0 ISK to 8 bil for the average player, which is 80 days... A little under 3 months of continuous hard work.
So if an average player can get "rich" in 3 months this means everything in eve is sped up considerably... Which OFC holds true!
But then we come back at the core definition of who is rich if getting rich is done so easily and relatively fast?
Last i heard, 13 trillion ISK was floating around in EvE. 8 billion is 1/1625 of all of EvE's current wealth and 400 million is 1/32500 which doesn't match the 400 mil per capsuleer average but whatever...
If you have 8 billion ISK, you have 0.06 percent of all of eve's wealth... And this is where it all matters because money is power right?
If you have your slice of POWER you are wealthy. If you wanted to have a 1% influence in EvE you would have to have 130 billion ISK and if you wanted a 10% influence you would need 1.3 trillion ISK.
Let's assume someone where to spend 1.3 trillion ISK to change the landscape in EvE, what would that kind of money buy them?
They could buy...
~150 carriers with fittings or...
~7500 battleships with fittings or...
~18 titans with fittings or...
~216,000 frigates with fittings...
I could go on but the one thing they can't buy is true loyalty. So in the end they are still poor.
And that is what it all boils down to... You can have all the money in the world but to be truly rich you need something to spend it on that is actually worth it. Only then can you consider yourself rich.
If you have enough money to replace everything you have at least five times and you have a use for everything you have all the time, then you are rich.
If however you have more money than you can spend wisely you are just greedy and stupid.
My opinions belong to me, you can't have them!
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Dodgy Past
Amarr
Debitum Naturae
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Posted - 2010.02.23 08:03:00 -
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Originally by: Cadde
Last i heard, 13 trillion ISK was floating around in EvE. 8 billion is 1/1625 of all of EvE's current wealth and 400 million is 1/32500 which doesn't match the 400 mil per capsuleer average but whatever...
One would assume that a not insignificant amount of in game isk is held by corporations and alliances.
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MsChemistry
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Posted - 2010.02.23 08:22:00 -
[82]
1 trillion ?
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Virgil Travis
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.23 09:08:00 -
[83]
5 Camels
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N Ano
Caldari
Zerg Corp
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Posted - 2010.02.23 09:21:00 -
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The thought that someone actually has 13 trillion isk is phenominal.
I have like 130 mill and 200 invested in some market stuff. My assets come to a total of about 1 bill.
Am I happy in the game? yes i am
Do I have good friends I can rely on? Yes I do
Do I have a lot of isk/assets? No I don't
Do I consider myself rich? yes I do.
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Mr M
Sebiestor tribe
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Posted - 2010.02.23 09:54:00 -
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Originally by: Chribba
Friends.
Dammit! I was going to say that.
But really, the people I've met and the sights I've seen during my years in Eve. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
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Vitamin B12
Tyrell Megacorporation
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Posted - 2010.02.23 14:38:00 -
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Originally by: Mr M
Originally by: Chribba
Friends.
Dammit! I was going to say that.
But really, the people I've met and the sights I've seen during my years in Eve. I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhauser gate.
how dare you to touch bladerunner omfgroflloluzwtfstfu!
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Sidus Isaacs
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.23 15:05:00 -
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I am rich on love.
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kyrieee
Psykotic Meat
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.02.23 15:23:00 -
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I would say you're rich when you don't have to worry about your income at all, so 10bil is not rich. 10bil isn't much if you don't have an income
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Letifer Deus
Total Mayhem.
Cry Havoc.
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:43:00 -
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Originally by: kyrieee
10bil isn't much if you don't have an income
I'm pretty sure from start of retail to about a year ago my total spending was less than 10b. OFC that's with me taking breaks. It really depends on what you fly and how shiny it is (and how often you die). I also find it hard to believe anyone with 10b can't very, very easily make enough with that to replace losses, unless one has a habit of losing lots of very expensive ships.
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Norrin Ellis
Heritage Foundation
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Posted - 2010.02.24 03:40:00 -
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Verone.
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