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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.20 21:25:00 -
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So a friend and I were going to get a feel about how plexing worked, so we were planning on starting in highsec. He was still doing his own thing while I was practicing scanning stuff down. I have ninja salvaged before so I know I have the necessary experience to scan stuff down.
I have ALL probing-related skills to 4. Astrometrics IV, and the 4 (or was it 5?) probing support skills to 4. I was in a Magnate using a Core Scanner Probe launcher.
Some questions:
1) Are cosmic anomalies considered plexes? Or just specific kinds of cosmic signatures?
2) About cosmic signatures... the best I could do with scanning a signature down was get up to somewhere around 55-60%. Am I seriously going to have to train all my probing support skills to V and get a cov ops? I hope not, because this is just highsec stuff.
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Horchan
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:06:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face 1) Are cosmic anomalies considered plexes? Or just specific kinds of cosmic signatures?
2) About cosmic signatures... the best I could do with scanning a signature down was get up to somewhere around 55-60%. Am I seriously going to have to train all my probing support skills to V and get a cov ops? I hope not, because this is just highsec stuff.
1) No. Cosmic anomalies are mini combat sites. If you want DED plexes or escalation plexes, you need to scan for cosmic signatures.
2) It sounds like you're doing it wrong. Highsec exploration is extremely easy and with your skills at 3-4, you should be able to find everything except for possibly some "large" gravimetric sites, which have notoriously low signatures.
Make sure you're using four overlapping probes to get the signature down to a single dot, then reduce your probes' scan radius in steps until you get 100% strength with a green dot. If it ever becomes a pair of dots, a red ring, or a red sphere, then you'll need to move your probes around until you get back to a single dot. ---
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Canute Minealot
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:32:00 -
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flying a covert Ops helps, but with your skills it shouldnt be nessesary.
Do you use Core or combat probes ? If combat probes you should switch to Core probes.
Maybe you just found one of the harder High sec Signatures.
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.20 22:38:00 -
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Originally by: Horchan
Originally by: Nonexistent Face 1) Are cosmic anomalies considered plexes? Or just specific kinds of cosmic signatures?
2) About cosmic signatures... the best I could do with scanning a signature down was get up to somewhere around 55-60%. Am I seriously going to have to train all my probing support skills to V and get a cov ops? I hope not, because this is just highsec stuff.
1) No. Cosmic anomalies are mini combat sites. If you want DED plexes or escalation plexes, you need to scan for cosmic signatures.
2) It sounds like you're doing it wrong. Highsec exploration is extremely easy and with your skills at 3-4, you should be able to find everything except for possibly some "large" gravimetric sites, which have notoriously low signatures.
Make sure you're using four overlapping probes to get the signature down to a single dot, then reduce your probes' scan radius in steps until you get 100% strength with a green dot. If it ever becomes a pair of dots, a red ring, or a red sphere, then you'll need to move your probes around until you get back to a single dot.
That's what I did... I just constantly got a sphere and I had all of my probes down to .25 AU sphere and the smallest red sphere I could achieve was a .14 AU sphere.
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Gavin DeVries
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Posted - 2010.02.21 01:40:00 -
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The icons tell you different things. A sphere means only one probe has the site; it's the probe with the sphere around it. If two probes have the site, you'll instead get a red circle, with the site being somewhere on that circle. If three probes have the site, then you get two dots. The dots will be red if the signal strength is below 25%, or yellow if higher. Four probes will produce a single dot, and that dot will turn green if the signal strength gets to 100%.
There is deviation involved. For a sphere, the diameter can vary. For the circle, the diameter is perfect but the position is wrong. With the two dots, they are oriented correctly but the position is wrong, and the single dot just moves somewhere from its original position. The higher the signal strength, the lower the deviation. Also, the max deviation is half the current scan range of your probes.
If you're getting the red sphere, then only that one probe has the site. You need to move the others over so their areas overlap. ______________________________________________________ Isn't it enough to know that I ruined a pony making a gift for you? |
Naphree
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Posted - 2010.02.21 02:34:00 -
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You might want to check out the scaning guide that CCP put aout around christmas to makesure your probes are laid out properly. YouTube scaning vid
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.22 00:50:00 -
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Edited by: Nonexistent Face on 22/02/2010 00:51:48 Well, I went back to the system that had this impossible signature and tried it again.
This time I was able to get a yellow dot but I've done so many possibilities (including using a 5th probe) and this is the highest I could get.
I really don't know what I'm doing wrong or this complex is supposed to be really important or something.
EDIT: Also, I found a wormhole in the neighboring systems without very much difficulty (I only needed 2.0 AU spheres), so is it safe to say that this complex has an extremely low signature?
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Savondis
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Posted - 2010.02.22 01:31:00 -
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Sometimes you get one that's just particularly stubborn to narrow down. I don't really know why..sometimes I run them and I get some nice finds, sometimes I find absolute crap, so I can't say for sure the difficulty in a 100% hit is relative to the rewards.
That said though, it may be the ship. I'm not sure what you're using but I run with an anathema with two probe rigs onboard and a sisters expanded launcher and sisters probes. The bonuses are a huge help and with skills at 3 across the board for probing I haven't found one yet I can't get a 100% on.
I like to use the 5 probe approach arranged in a + shape which I find minimizes the possibility of getting a lesser signal strength due to misaligned probes since I can use the arrows on the center probe as a marker to make sure the others are equally spaced. Too close or too far can sometimes give you a lesser strength so that's something to consider.
Hope that helps a bit!
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.22 02:43:00 -
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Originally by: Savondis Sometimes you get one that's just particularly stubborn to narrow down. I don't really know why..sometimes I run them and I get some nice finds, sometimes I find absolute crap, so I can't say for sure the difficulty in a 100% hit is relative to the rewards.
That said though, it may be the ship. I'm not sure what you're using but I run with an anathema with two probe rigs onboard and a sisters expanded launcher and sisters probes. The bonuses are a huge help and with skills at 3 across the board for probing I haven't found one yet I can't get a 100% on.
I like to use the 5 probe approach arranged in a + shape which I find minimizes the possibility of getting a lesser signal strength due to misaligned probes since I can use the arrows on the center probe as a marker to make sure the others are equally spaced. Too close or too far can sometimes give you a lesser strength so that's something to consider.
Hope that helps a bit!
Well, I'm not quite ready to train all the skills required to get up to a cov-ops... but I had completely forgotten about getting rigs. Do you think 2x Small grav rigs would get me the last 20% or am I hoping too much?
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.22 04:14:00 -
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In the configuration you have in that screenshot, you would have got a 100% hit by reducing the scan range of those probes so that each probe was only just inside the scan sphere of its neighbours. As a result of your huge scan range, you had a huge deviation - in fact, the deviation of the signal from any one probe would have been larger than the distance between any two of those probes.
As you bring the probes closer together, reduce the scan range so that all probes are only just inside the range of their neighbours. [Aussie players: join channels ANZAC or AUSSIES] |
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.22 09:18:00 -
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Originally by: Mara Rinn As a result of your huge scan range,
Look at the screenshot again. I used the smallest possible scan range on the probes (.25 AU). Also, the tetrahedron triangle did not increase my probing strength. The configuration of the probes that is clearly shown in my screenshot is my usual configuration and it works well (for me) so far until... this one signature. When I said that I had exhausted several possibilities and that was the highest I could get - I meant it.
Also, I remember someone saying this, and I thought it was appropriate in relation to your post:
Originally by: Mara Rinn LOL...reading comprehension FTW...
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Savondis
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Posted - 2010.02.22 09:49:00 -
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Ok, looking at the screeny there I think your problem isn't size so much as it is placement. In that screenshot, you see the sphere formed by the overlap of the probes is almost as big as the total range of a single probe sphere, thats way too big. Try to make that overlap area about half as big while still surrounding the signature and I'm confident you will get much better results.
Generally speaking I try to make my probe spheres overlap about 50-60% of their total size, any more than that and you get issues with signature strength in my experience. Try the 5 probe method again and using the center probe as a target of sorts on the signature, move the other probes so that they overlap about 50% into the center probe. That should be the fix to your problem. remember the sphere formed by your overlapping probes should never be comparable in size to a single probe's range.
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Nonexistent Face
United Federation of Deaf
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:11:00 -
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Originally by: Savondis Ok, looking at the screeny there I think your problem isn't size so much as it is placement. In that screenshot, you see the sphere formed by the overlap of the probes is almost as big as the total range of a single probe sphere, thats way too big. Try to make that overlap area about half as big while still surrounding the signature and I'm confident you will get much better results.
Generally speaking I try to make my probe spheres overlap about 50-60% of their total size, any more than that and you get issues with signature strength in my experience. Try the 5 probe method again and using the center probe as a target of sorts on the signature, move the other probes so that they overlap about 50% into the center probe. That should be the fix to your problem. remember the sphere formed by your overlapping probes should never be comparable in size to a single probe's range.
Thanks for the suggestion, I'll be sure to do this next time.
(I know Mara Rinn already said what you said, but your post was much more descriptive and better-worded so I was able to understand it better)
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.02.22 10:13:00 -
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I sometimes have this issue: I quickly get to a warpable object or I quickly get to the "two red dots" situation and then they are so far away off each other I have no idea how to make them fit in the probes spheres. I even tried putting another probe over one of the two dots but then all sort of crappy stuff happens, i.e. the dots return being just a red sphere even without having moved the other probes. This also happened when I only had 4 probes out, so it's not a case of having probes ignored due to the number being > 4. - Auditing and consulting
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Mara Rinn
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Posted - 2010.02.23 01:22:00 -
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Originally by: Nonexistent Face Also, I remember someone saying this, and I thought it was appropriate in relation to your post:
Originally by: Mara Rinn LOL...reading comprehension FTW...
Yes, now check my post before the edit and after the edit. Insert "Edit:" before my LOL.
I was laughing at myself. Thanks for noticing.
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Greygal
Gallente Sephray Industries
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Posted - 2010.02.23 19:14:00 -
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Your probes are too close together, as has already been said above. Anytime probes overlap eachother by more than 60%, you're not going to get a lock (or very highly unlikely).
A quick way to know this is part of the problem is to look at the distance of the signature vs. your probe's size. In this case, your probes are at .25AU, but the distance to the signature is 4.4AU. Obviously, your probe's tagging something that is up to 16 times as far away as the size of the probe is illogical - so when you see the distance is farther than the probe's range, it's time to move them apart from eachother.
While it sounds like using a 4-probe square pattern has worked for you in the past on many signatures, I do suggest considering either the 4-probe tetrahedron or 5-probe cross patterns instead. With a bit of practice, once you get the hang of either pattern, you will find yourself locking targets in half the time it takes you now.
Hope this helps!
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HIghlord Diamond
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Posted - 2010.02.24 10:20:00 -
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I have astrometrics 2... That's all.
And I've probed out entire wormholes with 26 sigs in them. You do not need super high probing skills to probe out high sec. Although I guess if I were to raise my probing skills I would likely become much more efficient. I stand as proof that you're doing it wrong, so follow the advice of the others. Or hell just go to youtube and type 'Eve online Probing guide' and you'll find a vid that shows you how to do it.
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Riedle
Minmatar Raptus Regalitor Black Legion.
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Posted - 2010.02.24 17:05:00 -
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Edited by: Riedle on 24/02/2010 17:07:34
Originally by: Nonexistent Face
Originally by: Horchan
Originally by: Nonexistent Face 1) Are cosmic anomalies considered plexes? Or just specific kinds of cosmic signatures?
2) About cosmic signatures... the best I could do with scanning a signature down was get up to somewhere around 55-60%. Am I seriously going to have to train all my probing support skills to V and get a cov ops? I hope not, because this is just highsec stuff.
1) No. Cosmic anomalies are mini combat sites. If you want DED plexes or escalation plexes, you need to scan for cosmic signatures.
2) It sounds like you're doing it wrong. Highsec exploration is extremely easy and with your skills at 3-4, you should be able to find everything except for possibly some "large" gravimetric sites, which have notoriously low signatures.
Make sure you're using four overlapping probes to get the signature down to a single dot, then reduce your probes' scan radius in steps until you get 100% strength with a green dot. If it ever becomes a pair of dots, a red ring, or a red sphere, then you'll need to move your probes around until you get back to a single dot.
That's what I did... I just constantly got a sphere and I had all of my probes down to .25 AU sphere and the smallest red sphere I could achieve was a .14 AU sphere.
Are you sure you ninja salvaged before?
Edit - just saw your screen shot - your probes are waaaay too close together.
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Twisted Carnage
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Posted - 2010.02.27 20:14:00 -
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a good idea to use when scanning if you have a red dot move one probe on top the dot arrange 4 probes in a cross around the dot and make the inside arrows on the 4 outside probes touch the dot reduce range and scan make sure to move probes up or down so you stay directly ON YOUR DOTonce done slide probes in one your dot reduce range and rescan rinse repeat
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