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Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.27 22:02:00 - [31] Edited by: Cowboy on 27/11/2004 22:09:13 Quote: Seems Sa is the only major power to not yet start an alliance. seems like a good move IMO, a smart but spineless move. Yeah, im just looking for easy empire ganks since, since I'm trash at PvP in 0.0 "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.27 22:02:00 - [32] Edited by: Cowboy on 27/11/2004 22:09:13 Quote: Seems Sa is the only major power to not yet start an alliance. seems like a good move IMO, a smart but spineless move. Yeah, im just looking for easy empire ganks since, since I'm trash at PvP in 0.0 "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Syvryn	Posted - 2004.11.27 23:05:00 - [33] Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 27/11/2004 22:09:13 Quote: Seems Sa is the only major power to not yet start an alliance. seems like a good move IMO, a smart but spineless move. Yeah, im just looking for easy empire ganks since, since I'm trash at PvP in 0.0 dude i think his point was that why should an alliance submit all of it's noob's/industrial/carebear ppl in empire space to be a giant target for every enemy/pirate/merc corp in the game? it's not like any of the .0 ppl want to come to empire we all have better things to do in this game the money isn't that good and it isn't our territory
Syvryn	Posted - 2004.11.27 23:05:00 - [34] Originally by: Cowboy Edited by: Cowboy on 27/11/2004 22:09:13 Quote: Seems Sa is the only major power to not yet start an alliance. seems like a good move IMO, a smart but spineless move. Yeah, im just looking for easy empire ganks since, since I'm trash at PvP in 0.0 dude i think his point was that why should an alliance submit all of it's noob's/industrial/carebear ppl in empire space to be a giant target for every enemy/pirate/merc corp in the game? it's not like any of the .0 ppl want to come to empire we all have better things to do in this game the money isn't that good and it isn't our territory
Domatavus Fallatus	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:20:00 - [35] deserves a big bump! only use of alliances are beeing easy and cheap target in empire (as stupidly you don't pay for ppl/corps you can attack, but only for the ppl in agressor corp.... sense any1? either make it the other way round or make it alliance vs alliance \| corp vs corp.... and keep thoose things seperate... ------- My Posts only reflect my personal Opinion and NOT thoose of my Corp
Domatavus Fallatus	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:20:00 - [36] deserves a big bump! only use of alliances are beeing easy and cheap target in empire (as stupidly you don't pay for ppl/corps you can attack, but only for the ppl in agressor corp.... sense any1? either make it the other way round or make it alliance vs alliance \| corp vs corp.... and keep thoose things seperate... ------- My Posts only reflect my personal Opinion and NOT thoose of my Corp
Daniel Jackson	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:22:00 - [37] i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime! Image done by Denrace
Daniel Jackson	Posted - 2004.11.28 00:22:00 - [38] i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Caldari will once again rise above the gallente and take back Caldari prime! Image done by Denrace
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2004.11.28 05:54:00 - [39] Originally by: Daniel Jackson i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Marry me plz cause I will never find someone more hilarious.
DrunkenOne	Posted - 2004.11.28 05:54:00 - [40] Originally by: Daniel Jackson i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Marry me plz cause I will never find someone more hilarious.
zeroh	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:38:00 - [41] Imo alliances are suppose to big and powerful and so having a couple wars is good imo they shouldnt have to cower and use stealth since they do outnumber everyone by like alot lol http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
zeroh	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:38:00 - [42] Imo alliances are suppose to big and powerful and so having a couple wars is good imo they shouldnt have to cower and use stealth since they do outnumber everyone by like alot lol http://www.botoxbandits.net/evekill/index.php
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:54:00 - [43] Originally by: zeroh Imo alliances are suppose to big and powerful and so having a couple wars is good imo they shouldnt have to cower and use stealth since they do outnumber everyone by like alot lol Agreed 110%, but im sure some big "alliance" in the south will come up with another lame excuse as to why they will not make an official in-game alliance. Heck all the other power house alliances have formed up. Grow a pair. cripes did I just agree with Zeroh "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
Cowboy	Posted - 2004.11.28 06:54:00 - [44] Originally by: zeroh Imo alliances are suppose to big and powerful and so having a couple wars is good imo they shouldnt have to cower and use stealth since they do outnumber everyone by like alot lol Agreed 110%, but im sure some big "alliance" in the south will come up with another lame excuse as to why they will not make an official in-game alliance. Heck all the other power house alliances have formed up. Grow a pair. cripes did I just agree with Zeroh "Come on God. Answer me. For years I am asking you why. Why are the innocent dead and the guilty alive? Where is justice? Where is punishment? Or have you already answered? Have you already said to the world, here is justice, here is punishment, here..............in me"
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.28 07:17:00 - [45] Originally by: Daniel Jackson i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Actually, it's 1 BILLION ISK. So start saving now.
F'nog	Posted - 2004.11.28 07:17:00 - [46] Originally by: Daniel Jackson i love the new alliance system and even right now atm were working on a cortp and were defulente gonna use the new alliance featcher NO MATTER what the cost is even idf its like 200milisk i dont care i just want the OFFFICIALalliance just to be well OFFICIAL Actually, it's 1 BILLION ISK. So start saving now.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2004.11.28 08:03:00 - [47] I'd gladly do joint ops with SA aginst CELEST. Time from them to go from mass-safespot, to mass-logoff.
Lord Draco	Posted - 2004.11.28 08:03:00 - [48] I'd gladly do joint ops with SA aginst CELEST. Time from them to go from mass-safespot, to mass-logoff.
EB Xile	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:42:00 - [49] Originally by: KIAInkZ alliance wars are there so we can try and crash yulai. Funny you mention that, earlier today, some alliance m8s and I were in Yulai getting ready to gank Stetu's (some Burning Eden member) Apoc. We warped in and had him locked down and everything. We made a piece meal out of him, all of us saw the explosion, and I started targeting his pod. Here's the local: [ 2004.11.28 07:37:43 ] Stetu > HIT MY TANK CMON!! ITS HOT! [ 2004.11.28 07:37:50 ] Grim > yar yar yar [ 2004.11.28 07:38:10 ] Domnhal II > not us LOL [ 2004.11.28 07:38:13 ] Ghelp > meep meep [ 2004.11.28 07:38:16 ] Stetu > ** you guys got me on this one [ 2004.11.28 07:38:33 ] pacifica > lol [ 2004.11.28 07:38:44 ] Stetu > Nice kill boys i've got to admit very ing nice [ 2004.11.28 07:38:55 ] Grim > come out come out whereever you are u lovely war targets ...Anyway, a few seconds later, Yulai comes off it's hinges, and our whole gang gets booted off Eve. We were pretty far into congratulating ourselves on some excellent teamwork when we log back on and see this in local: [ 2004.11.28 07:45:42 ] Persia > we crashed yulai? [ 2004.11.28 07:45:44 ] Persia > awesome :) [ 2004.11.28 07:47:01 ] EB Xile > was fun [ 2004.11.28 07:47:16 ] Stetu > LOOK AT MY SHIPO!! AHAHAHAHAHAH [ 2004.11.28 07:47:26 ] Stetu > LOOK AT IT LOOK AT IT LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK [ 2004.11.28 07:47:31 ] Stetu > LOOK AT MY SHIP ALL OF YOU LOOK AIT IT [ 2004.11.28 07:47:34 ] Persia > yeah, i have no armour damage :( [ 2004.11.28 07:47:37 ] Stetu > AHAHAHAHAHA [ 2004.11.28 07:47:39 ] Grim > **ing war targets wont fight [ 2004.11.28 07:47:41 ] Equinox II > WTF????? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:42 ] Persia > you didnt lose your apoc right stet? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:49 ] Stetu > YOU SAW IT BLOW UP [ 2004.11.28 07:47:54 ] Stetu > YOU SAW IT [ 2004.11.28 07:47:55 ] Domnhal II > who ya at war with Grim? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:56 ] Persia > :) [ 2004.11.28 07:47:57 ] thedragoon > BUT ITS BACK! [ 2004.11.28 07:47:59 ] Equinox II > omfg.. [ 2004.11.28 07:47:59 ] Stetu > I r god [ 2004.11.28 07:48:01 ] Grim > 25 corps [ 2004.11.28 07:48:04 ] Persia > hahaha this is awesome :) [ 2004.11.28 07:48:05 ] Equinox II > OMFG... [ 2004.11.28 07:48:05 ] Stetu > THE APOC THAT WILL NEVER DIE [ 2004.11.28 07:48:06 ] Grim > to much to name [ 2004.11.28 07:48:09 ] Persia > resurrection :) [ 2004.11.28 07:48:09 ] Equinox II > loooooooooool [ 2004.11.28 07:48:15 ] Stetu > LONG LIVE STETUS APOC Every member checked, and sure enough, none of us found a kill mail in their box. Looks like an eve-crash just costed us a battleship kill =( The lesson? CCP needs to alloit more resources to certain key empire systems. I'm no rocket scientist, but I think they could do that. Anyway, until next time Stetu you got off easy...lucky bastard _______________________________________________ Don't look at me like that, you knew I was posion when you picked me up!
EB Xile	Posted - 2004.11.28 11:42:00 - [50] Originally by: KIAInkZ alliance wars are there so we can try and crash yulai. Funny you mention that, earlier today, some alliance m8s and I were in Yulai getting ready to gank Stetu's (some Burning Eden member) Apoc. We warped in and had him locked down and everything. We made a piece meal out of him, all of us saw the explosion, and I started targeting his pod. Here's the local: [ 2004.11.28 07:37:43 ] Stetu > HIT MY TANK CMON!! ITS HOT! [ 2004.11.28 07:37:50 ] Grim > yar yar yar [ 2004.11.28 07:38:10 ] Domnhal II > not us LOL [ 2004.11.28 07:38:13 ] Ghelp > meep meep [ 2004.11.28 07:38:16 ] Stetu > ** you guys got me on this one [ 2004.11.28 07:38:33 ] pacifica > lol [ 2004.11.28 07:38:44 ] Stetu > Nice kill boys i've got to admit very ing nice [ 2004.11.28 07:38:55 ] Grim > come out come out whereever you are u lovely war targets ...Anyway, a few seconds later, Yulai comes off it's hinges, and our whole gang gets booted off Eve. We were pretty far into congratulating ourselves on some excellent teamwork when we log back on and see this in local: [ 2004.11.28 07:45:42 ] Persia > we crashed yulai? [ 2004.11.28 07:45:44 ] Persia > awesome :) [ 2004.11.28 07:47:01 ] EB Xile > was fun [ 2004.11.28 07:47:16 ] Stetu > LOOK AT MY SHIPO!! AHAHAHAHAHAH [ 2004.11.28 07:47:26 ] Stetu > LOOK AT IT LOOK AT IT LOOK LOOK LOOK LOOK [ 2004.11.28 07:47:31 ] Stetu > LOOK AT MY SHIP ALL OF YOU LOOK AIT IT [ 2004.11.28 07:47:34 ] Persia > yeah, i have no armour damage :( [ 2004.11.28 07:47:37 ] Stetu > AHAHAHAHAHA [ 2004.11.28 07:47:39 ] Grim > **ing war targets wont fight [ 2004.11.28 07:47:41 ] Equinox II > WTF????? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:42 ] Persia > you didnt lose your apoc right stet? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:49 ] Stetu > YOU SAW IT BLOW UP [ 2004.11.28 07:47:54 ] Stetu > YOU SAW IT [ 2004.11.28 07:47:55 ] Domnhal II > who ya at war with Grim? [ 2004.11.28 07:47:56 ] Persia > :) [ 2004.11.28 07:47:57 ] thedragoon > BUT ITS BACK! [ 2004.11.28 07:47:59 ] Equinox II > omfg.. [ 2004.11.28 07:47:59 ] Stetu > I r god [ 2004.11.28 07:48:01 ] Grim > 25 corps [ 2004.11.28 07:48:04 ] Persia > hahaha this is awesome :) [ 2004.11.28 07:48:05 ] Equinox II > OMFG... [ 2004.11.28 07:48:05 ] Stetu > THE APOC THAT WILL NEVER DIE [ 2004.11.28 07:48:06 ] Grim > to much to name [ 2004.11.28 07:48:09 ] Persia > resurrection :) [ 2004.11.28 07:48:09 ] Equinox II > loooooooooool [ 2004.11.28 07:48:15 ] Stetu > LONG LIVE STETUS APOC Every member checked, and sure enough, none of us found a kill mail in their box. Looks like an eve-crash just costed us a battleship kill =( The lesson? CCP needs to alloit more resources to certain key empire systems. I'm no rocket scientist, but I think they could do that. Anyway, until next time Stetu you got off easy...lucky bastard _______________________________________________ Don't look at me like that, you knew I was posion when you picked me up!
Tibbles	Posted - 2004.11.28 12:51:00 - [51] Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve?
Tibbles	Posted - 2004.11.28 12:51:00 - [52] Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve?
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:07:00 - [53] Originally by: Tibbles Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve? Itll get fixed once CCP changes the Warp Declaration cost. Currently its only 1 mill per week to start a war vs an alliance. It was supposed to be: "1millAmout of Alliance corpsAmount of wars you have" Or so i thought. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Joshua Foiritain	Posted - 2004.11.28 14:07:00 - [54] Originally by: Tibbles Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve? Itll get fixed once CCP changes the Warp Declaration cost. Currently its only 1 mill per week to start a war vs an alliance. It was supposed to be: "1millAmout of Alliance corpsAmount of wars you have" Or so i thought. --------------------------- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
qtip	Posted - 2004.11.28 16:04:00 - [55] my opinion: the new alliance feature is about 0.0 space, building POS and claiming space. if so many have problems with empire-war-decs maybe a 0.0 alliance is not the right thing for them. why be in an alliance when they are in empire most of the time. btw, there are agents and veld in 0.0 too.
qtip	Posted - 2004.11.28 16:04:00 - [56] my opinion: the new alliance feature is about 0.0 space, building POS and claiming space. if so many have problems with empire-war-decs maybe a 0.0 alliance is not the right thing for them. why be in an alliance when they are in empire most of the time. btw, there are agents and veld in 0.0 too.
Larno	Posted - 2004.11.28 16:25:00 - [57] I think a good bonus would be -50% maintenence costs for POS that are setup in your alliances 'claimed' systems. And then on top of that you need to have your POS running at normal costs for 1 week tot get to this level. HMM. :P
Larno	Posted - 2004.11.28 16:25:00 - [58] I think a good bonus would be -50% maintenence costs for POS that are setup in your alliances 'claimed' systems. And then on top of that you need to have your POS running at normal costs for 1 week tot get to this level. HMM. :P
Kaiser	Posted - 2004.11.28 17:36:00 - [59] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Tibbles Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve? Itll get fixed once CCP changes the Warp Declaration cost. Currently its only 1 mill per week to start a war vs an alliance. It was supposed to be: "1millAmout of Alliance corpsAmount of wars you have" Or so i thought. sorry, but it wasn't supposed that way. it is spposed the way it is implemented. You count the corps of the declarer (the one who declare war.) Alliance counts as a single entity when comes to fight, as it should. if you can't handle that, simply don't create an alliance.
Kaiser	Posted - 2004.11.28 17:36:00 - [60] Originally by: Joshua Foiritain Originally by: Tibbles Having seen the beginnings of the effect of this, I agree Larno. I am/was in a member corp of a large alliance. We link into the alliance yesterday and BOOM: Suddenly we realise half the people at gates in our area of 1.0 space are PvPers with good sec standing waiting to ambush newbs and passing members from alliances they've declared war on. Mucho people with good sec standing and various types of skulls and crossbones in their corp logos locking on to my frig and trying to warp scramble me as I jump along the insta-BM route I made for my hauler to reach safety at our corp empire offices. So our corp is haemorrhaging newbs and non-PvPers while aggressive PvP corps reap a bonanza. Guess what that'll do to game balance in a few weeks' time, when corps realise no-holds-barred antisocial PvP has become the only way to succeed in Eve? Itll get fixed once CCP changes the Warp Declaration cost. Currently its only 1 mill per week to start a war vs an alliance. It was supposed to be: "1millAmout of Alliance corpsAmount of wars you have" Or so i thought. sorry, but it wasn't supposed that way. it is spposed the way it is implemented. You count the corps of the declarer (the one who declare war.) Alliance counts as a single entity when comes to fight, as it should. if you can't handle that, simply don't create an alliance.

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