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Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:24:00 - [31] Originally by: Jris erintaki 2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price. no it doesn't, in eve terms, it refers to the one your declaring upon. Quote: Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1Mnumber of corps in alliance every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..) thats the whole point and how it should work and was designed to work otherwise every single allinace will be declared upon at that price. Dont be silly! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com*
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:24:00 - [32] Originally by: Jris erintaki 2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price. no it doesn't, in eve terms, it refers to the one your declaring upon. Quote: Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1Mnumber of corps in alliance every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..) thats the whole point and how it should work and was designed to work otherwise every single allinace will be declared upon at that price. Dont be silly! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com*
Qwertyifshag	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:25:00 - [33] This is a joke, being a FA member means having way too many wars, and some corps have 3 against us lol. Griefinf is gonna hit a all new high if this isn't fixed soon.
Qwertyifshag	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:25:00 - [34] This is a joke, being a FA member means having way too many wars, and some corps have 3 against us lol. Griefinf is gonna hit a all new high if this isn't fixed soon.
Ishiko	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:28:00 - [35] Edited by: Ishiko on 27/11/2004 11:32:40 Originally by: Jris erintaki Originally by: Mad Bomber 1mill to fight an alliance? WTF is going on? Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars. We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance. You are basically asking to have alliances immune to war declaration then. Since you can fill in your alliance with tons of alt's corp...you can basically make enemy pay lot of money for your alt. 1) you can fill the alliance with alt corps, with result you become basically impossible to be declared war to. the system would be exploitable 2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price. Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1Mnumber of corps in alliance every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..) 3) some would think that a huge 0.0 alliance are full of pvp and rich and strong....or at least this is what they were saying...now we find out 0.0 alliances are full of carebears who can't handle fighting in empire We do don't we? This is actually funny as hell, targets are comming in faster then i can shoot em, only prob is to get everything hauled out in time before the "carebears" show up and start taking as much as they can. Sure they can complain about pvp in eve, and that they don't want anything to do with it, but man, when they see a hauler get shot down (or any other ship for that matter), they sure can fly fast to take as much as they can carry. - "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
Ishiko	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:28:00 - [36] Edited by: Ishiko on 27/11/2004 11:32:40 Originally by: Jris erintaki Originally by: Mad Bomber 1mill to fight an alliance? WTF is going on? Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars. We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance. You are basically asking to have alliances immune to war declaration then. Since you can fill in your alliance with tons of alt's corp...you can basically make enemy pay lot of money for your alt. 1) you can fill the alliance with alt corps, with result you become basically impossible to be declared war to. the system would be exploitable 2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price. Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1Mnumber of corps in alliance every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..) 3) some would think that a huge 0.0 alliance are full of pvp and rich and strong....or at least this is what they were saying...now we find out 0.0 alliances are full of carebears who can't handle fighting in empire We do don't we? This is actually funny as hell, targets are comming in faster then i can shoot em, only prob is to get everything hauled out in time before the "carebears" show up and start taking as much as they can. Sure they can complain about pvp in eve, and that they don't want anything to do with it, but man, when they see a hauler get shot down (or any other ship for that matter), they sure can fly fast to take as much as they can carry. - "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:29:00 - [37] But wars for griefing are sort of pointless since you alliance types hang out in those fancy regions and conquerables you fight so hard for, riiight? _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Del Narveux	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:29:00 - [38] But wars for griefing are sort of pointless since you alliance types hang out in those fancy regions and conquerables you fight so hard for, riiight? _________________ [SAK] And Proud Of It! aka Cpt Bogus Is that my torped sig cloaking your base?
Mad Bomber	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:57:00 - [39] This needs to be fixed. Whats gonna happen will be you will see a huge number of alts, all alliances will have alts in npc corps to go to empire and back. Those serious about fighting alliance can't because you cant fight npc corps. I hate alts btw, hence why i would like to see another solution to this than using an alt in empire, which is currently the best solution. No alliance can protect both its claimed region, and all of empire space where other alliance members are.
Mad Bomber	Posted - 2004.11.27 11:57:00 - [40] This needs to be fixed. Whats gonna happen will be you will see a huge number of alts, all alliances will have alts in npc corps to go to empire and back. Those serious about fighting alliance can't because you cant fight npc corps. I hate alts btw, hence why i would like to see another solution to this than using an alt in empire, which is currently the best solution. No alliance can protect both its claimed region, and all of empire space where other alliance members are.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:01:00 - [41] Originally by: Mad Bomber This needs to be fixed. Whats gonna happen will be you will see a huge number of alts, all alliances will have alts in npc corps to go to empire and back. Those serious about fighting alliance can't because you cant fight npc corps. I hate alts btw, hence why i would like to see another solution to this than using an alt in empire, which is currently the best solution. No alliance can protect both its claimed region, and all of empire space where other alliance members are. i doubt that as alts in npc corps are likely to get shot at by their alliance, tbh they (alliances) are much more likely to leave their industry corps out of the official alliance if they form one at all. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:01:00 - [42] Originally by: Mad Bomber This needs to be fixed. Whats gonna happen will be you will see a huge number of alts, all alliances will have alts in npc corps to go to empire and back. Those serious about fighting alliance can't because you cant fight npc corps. I hate alts btw, hence why i would like to see another solution to this than using an alt in empire, which is currently the best solution. No alliance can protect both its claimed region, and all of empire space where other alliance members are. i doubt that as alts in npc corps are likely to get shot at by their alliance, tbh they (alliances) are much more likely to leave their industry corps out of the official alliance if they form one at all. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Mad Bomber	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:23:00 - [43] Originally by: Hakera i doubt that as alts in npc corps are likely to get shot at by their alliance, tbh they (alliances) are much more likely to leave their industry corps out of the official alliance if they form one at all. FA for one has a passport system, FA alts would be given passes. But yep, thats what i see happening, anything with the alliance in empire space will join new corps but maintain connections, kinda ruins the idea of 1 large alliance.
Mad Bomber	Posted - 2004.11.27 12:23:00 - [44] Originally by: Hakera i doubt that as alts in npc corps are likely to get shot at by their alliance, tbh they (alliances) are much more likely to leave their industry corps out of the official alliance if they form one at all. FA for one has a passport system, FA alts would be given passes. But yep, thats what i see happening, anything with the alliance in empire space will join new corps but maintain connections, kinda ruins the idea of 1 large alliance.
Kiil	Posted - 2004.11.27 13:41:00 - [45] I like the new up-date THX to CCP. bud the new War system is not godt. the big trouble is that all new Player in a corp (alliance corp). will bee poddet . Because now i is a big foodtable for all pirtes. a is will spoil the fun for all new Player and the alliance will only bee for old player in EVE and is will ruin/destroy a lot of corp ind alliance. so PLZ fix is CCP so we all is able to have fun in EVE i god idea to do as Mad Bomber write
Kiil	Posted - 2004.11.27 13:41:00 - [46] I like the new up-date THX to CCP. bud the new War system is not godt. the big trouble is that all new Player in a corp (alliance corp). will bee poddet . Because now i is a big foodtable for all pirtes. a is will spoil the fun for all new Player and the alliance will only bee for old player in EVE and is will ruin/destroy a lot of corp ind alliance. so PLZ fix is CCP so we all is able to have fun in EVE i god idea to do as Mad Bomber write
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:03:00 - [47] I smell carebears. The people that are now doing this now has been adapting to nerfs since day 1... So i have no more to say than ADAPT and move security forces to empire. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:03:00 - [48] I smell carebears. The people that are now doing this now has been adapting to nerfs since day 1... So i have no more to say than ADAPT and move security forces to empire. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:12:00 - [49] your missing the point, if it costs 3mill a week to make half of eve orange then people will not form alliances, it has been stated from day zero that the cost of war is mutliplied by the no. of members corps in the alliance. As it stands, its a bug that yu only pay 1 mill. If CCP have changed their minds i seriously think the only thing alliances will be giving to the new alliance system is the two fingers and let people pay per corp for their war. As it stands imo 1 mill is far far too low given the average income of a corp over a week for the priviledge of attacking another one. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:12:00 - [50] your missing the point, if it costs 3mill a week to make half of eve orange then people will not form alliances, it has been stated from day zero that the cost of war is mutliplied by the no. of members corps in the alliance. As it stands, its a bug that yu only pay 1 mill. If CCP have changed their minds i seriously think the only thing alliances will be giving to the new alliance system is the two fingers and let people pay per corp for their war. As it stands imo 1 mill is far far too low given the average income of a corp over a week for the priviledge of attacking another one. Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:34:00 - [51] Edited by: Nervar on 27/11/2004 14:42:49 ll wars that don't involve an alliance as aggressor or victim are classified as normal corporation wars. In EXODUS starting such a war will cost the decelerator 1.000.000 isk * 2 * number of current wars. Meaning that first war will cost 1 million, next will cost 2 million and the 3rd 3 million, etc. Each week the war goes on a new bill for 1.000.000 isk is issued and if there is an unpaid bill for that war the war is cancelled Alliance warfare Alliance to Alliance warfare The Executor of an Alliance can declare a war on another Alliance. this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war. Alliance to Corporation warfare The Executor of an Alliance can also declare war on any corporation in EVE that is not a member of an alliance. Same cost and maintenance rules apply. Corporation to Alliance warfare Corporations in no alliance can't declare war on individual corporations in an alliance. They have to declare war on the alliance itself. Same declaration cost and maintenance cost applies. Now that descibtion has been there for quite some time and its imposible to interpret it the way you do.... Since: This is COPORATION to Alliance/corp, the same cost that is used for corp to corp is used. You may ask why? Because a single corp cannot declare war on an single corp inn an alliance it HAS to bee done against the alliance hence is has the same cost as corp to corp... Does that explain it to you???? You people keep crying about your empire corps being shot and so on.. Whats the problem move security forces to empire, station them around the most comming trade routes and agents routes. This new war system offers LOTS of new exiting new possibiletis and you people whine cause you cant afk fly thru empire annymore. I also have to add inn. Imagine the level of roleplay that can now bee used. small groups of roleplayers can actually roleplay attacks and the likes, On Alliances/nations. Stuff that we only read about inn the news. Now one might argue that that could bee done inn zero.zero but thats hardly possible for small groups as Allainces have massive blobs inn their home systems. Think FA mustered about 80 ships/bubbles against my team of 8 frigs once -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:34:00 - [52] Edited by: Nervar on 27/11/2004 14:42:49 ll wars that don't involve an alliance as aggressor or victim are classified as normal corporation wars. In EXODUS starting such a war will cost the decelerator 1.000.000 isk * 2 * number of current wars. Meaning that first war will cost 1 million, next will cost 2 million and the 3rd 3 million, etc. Each week the war goes on a new bill for 1.000.000 isk is issued and if there is an unpaid bill for that war the war is cancelled Alliance warfare Alliance to Alliance warfare The Executor of an Alliance can declare a war on another Alliance. this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war. Alliance to Corporation warfare The Executor of an Alliance can also declare war on any corporation in EVE that is not a member of an alliance. Same cost and maintenance rules apply. Corporation to Alliance warfare Corporations in no alliance can't declare war on individual corporations in an alliance. They have to declare war on the alliance itself. Same declaration cost and maintenance cost applies. Now that descibtion has been there for quite some time and its imposible to interpret it the way you do.... Since: This is COPORATION to Alliance/corp, the same cost that is used for corp to corp is used. You may ask why? Because a single corp cannot declare war on an single corp inn an alliance it HAS to bee done against the alliance hence is has the same cost as corp to corp... Does that explain it to you???? You people keep crying about your empire corps being shot and so on.. Whats the problem move security forces to empire, station them around the most comming trade routes and agents routes. This new war system offers LOTS of new exiting new possibiletis and you people whine cause you cant afk fly thru empire annymore. I also have to add inn. Imagine the level of roleplay that can now bee used. small groups of roleplayers can actually roleplay attacks and the likes, On Alliances/nations. Stuff that we only read about inn the news. Now one might argue that that could bee done inn zero.zero but thats hardly possible for small groups as Allainces have massive blobs inn their home systems. Think FA mustered about 80 ships/bubbles against my team of 8 frigs once -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:59:00 - [53] Oh yes, that's good idea 'security teams', because we know how easy it is to 'secure' space. Quick everyone, log on your alts and declare war on alliances and make half of eve orange, a bargin at 1 mill per alliance per week for so many juicy targets. But remember, you have to watch out for their 'security teams' you never know where those might be lurking! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Hakera	Posted - 2004.11.27 14:59:00 - [54] Oh yes, that's good idea 'security teams', because we know how easy it is to 'secure' space. Quick everyone, log on your alts and declare war on alliances and make half of eve orange, a bargin at 1 mill per alliance per week for so many juicy targets. But remember, you have to watch out for their 'security teams' you never know where those might be lurking! Dumbledore - Eve-I.com
Kitty Claw	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:08:00 - [55] Originally by: Ishiko Besides, it's much more fun now. We can shoot 10% of the eve population for just 1 mil isk a week. you've just proven the point of this thread lol ----- Meow
Kitty Claw	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:08:00 - [56] Originally by: Ishiko Besides, it's much more fun now. We can shoot 10% of the eve population for just 1 mil isk a week. you've just proven the point of this thread lol ----- Meow
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:09:00 - [57] Hey not my problem if you soround yourself with noobs that cant protect themself or their friends/alliance members, Just cause an alliance dosnt have the aducate skills to defend themself dosnt mean that its imposible to limit ones losses. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Nervar	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:09:00 - [58] Hey not my problem if you soround yourself with noobs that cant protect themself or their friends/alliance members, Just cause an alliance dosnt have the aducate skills to defend themself dosnt mean that its imposible to limit ones losses. -------------------------------------------------> What I look forward to is continued immaturity followed by death.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:14:00 - [59] Hakera - I can categorically state that "Declarer" is defined the same in eve as it is in the dictionary. If I declare war I am the "declarer". Thus if I, as one corp, want to declare war on XETIC it will only cost me 2m a week. That is how it should work, that is how it does work (afaik, from people that are declaring wars on alliances). Now, if an alliance is the declarer then the war cost is x the number of corps IN THAT ALLIANCE.
Dianabolic	Posted - 2004.11.27 15:14:00 - [60] Hakera - I can categorically state that "Declarer" is defined the same in eve as it is in the dictionary. If I declare war I am the "declarer". Thus if I, as one corp, want to declare war on XETIC it will only cost me 2m a week. That is how it should work, that is how it does work (afaik, from people that are declaring wars on alliances). Now, if an alliance is the declarer then the war cost is x the number of corps IN THAT ALLIANCE.

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