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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:12:00 -
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1mill to fight an alliance?
WTF is going on?
Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars.
We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance.
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:12:00 -
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1mill to fight an alliance?
WTF is going on?
Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars.
We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance.
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:45:00 -
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1mill to fight an alliance? That cheap !
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AvanCade
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:45:00 -
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1mill to fight an alliance? That cheap !
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Syvryn
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:57:00 -
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1mil if that's true all of empire space is going to be filled with wars woot |
Syvryn
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Posted - 2004.11.27 00:57:00 -
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1mil if that's true all of empire space is going to be filled with wars woot |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:18:00 -
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it should be multiplied by the number of corps in the alliance. Its a bug.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:18:00 -
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it should be multiplied by the number of corps in the alliance. Its a bug.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:29:00 -
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I think it reads, * number of declarer corps or something....why should it cost 1000billion isk for one corp of a few to war dec an alliance of many? You would think the big alliance would laugh at the few. Welcome to hell carebears.
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Uther Agnoius
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:29:00 -
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I think it reads, * number of declarer corps or something....why should it cost 1000billion isk for one corp of a few to war dec an alliance of many? You would think the big alliance would laugh at the few. Welcome to hell carebears.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:51:00 -
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Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
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Dianabolic
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Posted - 2004.11.27 01:51:00 -
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Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 02:03:45
 Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
No, its doesn't
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this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war.
its not being mutliplied by the member corporations or by 2 for that matter.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 02:03:45
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
No, its doesn't
Quote:
this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war.
its not being mutliplied by the member corporations or by 2 for that matter.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2004.11.27 08:10:00 -
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Exactly, it needs to be multiplied by 2 and number of corps in alliance.
Thou there needs to be a cap, say 100-200mill a week, to stop alliances filling up with alt corps, just to push war costs up.
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Mad Bomber
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Posted - 2004.11.27 08:10:00 -
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Exactly, it needs to be multiplied by 2 and number of corps in alliance.
Thou there needs to be a cap, say 100-200mill a week, to stop alliances filling up with alt corps, just to push war costs up.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:27:00 -
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You can still declare on individual alliance corps, right? Like, say some *****s in alliance corp were giving me or my friends a hard time, my corp can declare on them and not the rest of the alliance?
TBH tho either way I think it should be reasonably priced to declare war on an allaince, I'm rather sick of these money-grubbing fools talking smack and being *****s and then using thier huge numbers of sheep-slaves as a shield.
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Del Narveux
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:27:00 -
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You can still declare on individual alliance corps, right? Like, say some *****s in alliance corp were giving me or my friends a hard time, my corp can declare on them and not the rest of the alliance?
TBH tho either way I think it should be reasonably priced to declare war on an allaince, I'm rather sick of these money-grubbing fools talking smack and being *****s and then using thier huge numbers of sheep-slaves as a shield.
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aka Cpt Bogus
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Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 02:03:45
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
No, its doesn't
Quote:
this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war.
its not being mutliplied by the member corporations or by 2 for that matter.
So if the declarer is not in an alliance, but is a single corp, it should be 2 mil a week.
A single corp declares war to an alliance, the corp pays 2 mil a week, instead of the 1 mil it does now.
Still easy killings :)
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:37:00 -
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Originally by: Hakera
Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 02:03:45
Originally by: Dianabolic
Nope, it works as it should do.
\o/ for easy targets.
No, its doesn't
Quote:
this has the cost of 1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars. The same weekly cost applies to maintain the state of war.
its not being mutliplied by the member corporations or by 2 for that matter.
So if the declarer is not in an alliance, but is a single corp, it should be 2 mil a week.
A single corp declares war to an alliance, the corp pays 2 mil a week, instead of the 1 mil it does now.
Still easy killings :)
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 09:50:15
Originally by: Ishiko
So if the declarer is not in an alliance, but is a single corp, it should be 2 mil a week.
A single corp declares war to an alliance, the corp pays 2 mil a week, instead of the 1 mil it does now.
No, the declaror refers to the number of corps in target alliance you want to declare on.
for corp to corp war, its different, its just:
1.000.000 isk * 2 * number of current wars
Meaning that first war will cost 1 million, next will cost 2 million and the 3rd 3 million, etc
this is on a weekly basis, the key if the target is an alliance is that there is a *number of corps in alliance in there as well.
For eg, the Curse Alliance might have 10 corps in its alliance,
your corp decides to declare on them: the costs *should* be
1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars.
= 1mill * 10 * 2 *1 = 20 million isk a week cost to you.
I still think the cost of war is redicously cheap tbh given normal incomes of a corp, nevermind an alliance and would favour a consentual free war option as well as war statistics somewhere.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Hakera
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Posted - 2004.11.27 09:47:00 -
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Edited by: Hakera on 27/11/2004 09:50:15
Originally by: Ishiko
So if the declarer is not in an alliance, but is a single corp, it should be 2 mil a week.
A single corp declares war to an alliance, the corp pays 2 mil a week, instead of the 1 mil it does now.
No, the declaror refers to the number of corps in target alliance you want to declare on.
for corp to corp war, its different, its just:
1.000.000 isk * 2 * number of current wars
Meaning that first war will cost 1 million, next will cost 2 million and the 3rd 3 million, etc
this is on a weekly basis, the key if the target is an alliance is that there is a *number of corps in alliance in there as well.
For eg, the Curse Alliance might have 10 corps in its alliance,
your corp decides to declare on them: the costs *should* be
1.000.000 isk * the number of corporations in the declarer alliance * 2 * number of existing wars.
= 1mill * 10 * 2 *1 = 20 million isk a week cost to you.
I still think the cost of war is redicously cheap tbh given normal incomes of a corp, nevermind an alliance and would favour a consentual free war option as well as war statistics somewhere.
Dumbledore - Eve-I.com |
Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:11:00 -
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and here i was thinking that declarer stood for the one declaring the war (fe corperation) and not for the one recieving the war declaration (alliance), even if you turn it around and the alliance declares the war, it's the same thing.
A small corperation SHOULD be able to declare war on an alliance.
Otherwise the only thing you have to do is make and alliance with enough members, and almost nobody can try anything against you, cauze they can't keep up with the costs.
Besides, it's much more fun now. We can shoot 10% of the eve population for just 1 mil isk a week.
Never made this money this fast 
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 10:11:00 -
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and here i was thinking that declarer stood for the one declaring the war (fe corperation) and not for the one recieving the war declaration (alliance), even if you turn it around and the alliance declares the war, it's the same thing.
A small corperation SHOULD be able to declare war on an alliance.
Otherwise the only thing you have to do is make and alliance with enough members, and almost nobody can try anything against you, cauze they can't keep up with the costs.
Besides, it's much more fun now. We can shoot 10% of the eve population for just 1 mil isk a week.
Never made this money this fast
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Riggwelter
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Riggwelter on 27/11/2004 11:09:05
Originally by: Ishiko
Otherwise the only thing you have to do is make and alliance with enough members, and almost nobody can try anything against you, cauze they can't keep up with the costs.
The muliplied maintenance cost of having that many members would cost the alliance equally as much if not more.
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Riggwelter
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:06:00 -
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Edited by: Riggwelter on 27/11/2004 11:09:05
Originally by: Ishiko
Otherwise the only thing you have to do is make and alliance with enough members, and almost nobody can try anything against you, cauze they can't keep up with the costs.
The muliplied maintenance cost of having that many members would cost the alliance equally as much if not more.
They who shout the loudest normally have the least to say. |
Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:15:00 -
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for some reason i think that an alliance would find that very expensive, and they could just wait till the corp that declared war on them runs out of enough cash.
Take FA for example. I think they wouldn't even notice 25 mil a week against a corp. For a "normal" corp tough, 25 mil a week is something that's very hard to keep up
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Ishiko
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:15:00 -
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for some reason i think that an alliance would find that very expensive, and they could just wait till the corp that declared war on them runs out of enough cash.
Take FA for example. I think they wouldn't even notice 25 mil a week against a corp. For a "normal" corp tough, 25 mil a week is something that's very hard to keep up
- "Whatever doesn't kill me 'd better get the hell out of my way-
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Jris erintaki
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Bomber
1mill to fight an alliance?
WTF is going on?
Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars.
We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance.
You are basically asking to have alliances immune to war declaration then.
Since you can fill in your alliance with tons of alt's corp...you can basically make enemy pay lot of money for your alt.
1) you can fill the alliance with alt corps, with result you become basically impossible to be declared war to. the system would be exploitable
2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price.
Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1M*number of corps in alliance* every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..)
3) some would think that a huge 0.0 alliance are full of pvp and rich and strong....or at least this is what they were saying...now we find out 0.0 alliances are full of carebears who can't handle fighting in empire 
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Jris erintaki
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Posted - 2004.11.27 11:15:00 -
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Originally by: Mad Bomber
1mill to fight an alliance?
WTF is going on?
Should use same price as alliance-alliance wars.
We are now recognised as nation states, should need some serious isk to convince Concord to ratify a war against an alliance.
You are basically asking to have alliances immune to war declaration then.
Since you can fill in your alliance with tons of alt's corp...you can basically make enemy pay lot of money for your alt.
1) you can fill the alliance with alt corps, with result you become basically impossible to be declared war to. the system would be exploitable
2) "declarer" in vocabulary means the one WHO DECLARES. so it is working as it should. Otherwise you would have had "declared". if you join a 0.0 alliance, you have access to 0.0 ore, npc and POS. if you sign an official alliance you will even have chance to have your logo, to claim space. All this comes to a price.
Otherwise, it should be added that an alliance must pay 1M*number of corps in alliance* every week for the alliance to remain active and having the benefit (making enemy paying lot of money to declare war to you, claiming space and so on..)
3) some would think that a huge 0.0 alliance are full of pvp and rich and strong....or at least this is what they were saying...now we find out 0.0 alliances are full of carebears who can't handle fighting in empire
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