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Nebarus Gallente Korbitron Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 00:50:00 - [1] Trolls please leave. :\ ----------------------------- Hi fellow EVE players! About a year ago I posted a query for help in this very forum regarding an analysis I needed help with. At the time it was concerning Physics in EVE, and why/how things ended up like they did for EVE. This time around, however, it's not nearly as interesting an analysis that I need help with.. But none the less, it needs doing. So, if as many of you as possible could respond to these questions as detailed as possible, I'd be eternally grateful! Honestly, ther might be tears! (firefly ftw! :D ). I might even go as far as to send you a symbolic gift of .1 isk as thanks :) Anyways, on to the questions! There are in essence 3 different situations that I need you to consider; 1. Imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc) Both characters ask the following out in local chat; "Could someone help me choose what skills to pick next? I'm lost :\" How would you react to all 6 situations (1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems)? (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) 2. Again , imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc). These 3 systems are missionhubs, and youÆre afking/doing missions/whatever. Suddenly, the character (mind you, again, only 1 at a time at different times) asks the following in local: ôCould someone please help me kill this Mercenary Captain? I canÆt take him out by myself ):ö How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) 3. In 3 trade-hub systems imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, asking out in local for 1 million isk for a new ship. How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) Now, that's it.. Please answer as *detailed as possible; write down what you would reply in local/IM etc. Now, the more the merrier, so. :D Thanks all! /Nebarus Originally by:* CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Sulg Cobalt Dragon Exploration Company	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:03:00 - [2] Females don't play EVE. Why do you ask questions about the impossible? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Warp speed is not fast enough. We must go straight to...ludicrous speed!
Nebarus Gallente Korbitron Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:10:00 - [3] Edited by: Nebarus on 25/02/2010 01:10:00 I actually know several female players.. But you missed the point of it all; I never said female players, I said female characters. Now, if you wouldn't react differently to either character based on their gender, then that's what you should write, not stuff that doesn't really help me in any way :\ Thanks for reading though, ... Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Neriyana Gallente The Warp Rats	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:10:00 - [4] 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore
Nemesis Factor Caldari RennTech BricK sQuAD.	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:12:00 - [5] Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. That being said, I tend to help people out if I have the time (ie: not just passing through). I tend to keep helpful links and tutorials in my notes to simply paste into local. But to answer your question, I treat everyone the same by default, and raise or lower my friendliness depending on how much of a knob they are being. Edit: I keep my character portraits really small, so I can't even tell. I suppose I can't exactly answer the question fairly. ~/~ Sultan of Buruni
Nebarus Gallente Korbitron Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:15:00 - [6] Originally by: Nemesis Factor Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. That being said, I tend to help people out if I have the time (ie: not just passing through). I tend to keep helpful links and tutorials in my notes to simply paste into local. But to answer your question, I treat everyone the same by default, and raise or lower my friendliness depending on how much of a knob they are being. Edit: I keep my character portraits really small, so I can't even tell. I suppose I can't exactly answer the question fairly. Thanks alot man! Valid answer :) Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Ebeneser Scrooj	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:20:00 - [7] Originally by: Nebarus But none the less, it needs doing. No, it really doesn't. There's absolutely no value in your little study as you're asking people on the internet to tell you the truth about their reactions. Any and all responses are worthless (yes, I include my own response in that evaluation). If you want real data then create characters, hop in game and ask the questions. Originally by: Nebarus Trolls please leave. :\ Asking nicely doesn't help.
Julius Rigel	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:24:00 - [8] Not to poop on your very nice and in-depth study, but a few things I've noted: What 3 systems are we talking about? I don't think my answers would vary all that much from system to system. A high population system like a trade-hub might have other people responding, which psychologically would bias me (I might for example step in to defend the querying player if they were taking a bit of flame, or possibly partake in said flaming.) I doubt my response would vary based on the character's icon being a male or female face. My response would be almost entirely dependent on the writing, not the avatar. In scenario 1 I would respond by directing the inquirer to a place such as the skills or new players forum sections, or possibly the help chat. I would do the same regardless of the portrait on the character. In scenario 2 I would not respond to any of them, I don't like ratting and / missions. In scenario 3 I would respond by saying "Character X, I've sent you 1 million." as I always do, regardless of the portrait on the character. This in the hopes that others will think I have transfered the money, so that they will not transfer any money. Hope this helps.
De'Veldrin Minmatar Special Projects Executive The Obsidian Legion	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:26:00 - [9] Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:31:42 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:29:01 Originally by: Sulg Females don't play EVE. Why do you ask questions about the impossible? Speaking as a female player, I'd like to invite you to wander on down to lowsec and then tell the Hellcats that they're male. Let me know how that works out for you. Also, please fraps the resultant encounter. It should be amusing for all. Edit: On the topic of the OP. I try and treat people based on how they act, not on what they look like, or their respective genitalia. If you act like an asshat, I will smack you around like one. If you ask politely, and occasionally remember to say thank you, I'll probably answer the question, within the bounds of reason. On your specific questions: 1. I would ask the player what their long term and short term goals are, try and give them advice, and then recommend they get Eve HQ. 2. I've been known to help out other people in missions, but not very often. I'm normally busy with something else. I have been known to send out the request to corp and alliance mates though, if any are around. 3. I do not give ISK to people who ask in local. --Vel Forum Mom: Spanking the snot out of little brats.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:33:00 - [10] Usually id help out both players, no matter male or female avatar. Mostly I dont even look at the avatars really.. Unless its in such a system that im merely traveling through, which case id ignore them. if i was mining or something id certainly help, as ive nothing better to do anyway.. As for helping kill mission rats; I would only do that if I was incredibly bored (agents gave me crappy missions in a row) and I had something other than my battleship handy (something slightly more pimp, like a sacri or zealot).. and even then, id usually ignore them (i dont idle in my mission hub often, usually If i cant do anything ill just log off and do something else) And even if i did help, it certainly wouldnt be without a bit of questioning first (someone who is trying to just get me killed is easy enough to spot really) Trade hubs? ignore. OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Nebarus Gallente Korbitron Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:36:00 - [11] Thanks for the (good) responses guys and gals! ANd to the ones telling me to conduct my research in game, who says I'm not doing that as well? Originally by: CCP Tuxford my bad. Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.25 01:57:00 - [12] Originally by: Nebarus Thanks for the (good) responses guys and gals! ANd to the ones telling me to conduct my research in game, who says I'm not doing that as well? ... clever OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Jug'Muk	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:01:00 - [13] Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore Yup.
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:01:00 - [14] Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore FIRST!!
Garibaldi Carbonari	Posted - 2010.02.25 02:28:00 - [15] I try to treat guys/gals the same in RL, so I carry over that mentality to Eve. Additionally, female characters are almost indubitably male players, so my responses would be identical in each situation. Finally, I hope you don't consider this poll scientific ...
Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.02.25 03:16:00 - [16] I'd have to say my reply in all 3 (x2) cases would also be to Ignore. And since playing online I pretty much assume everyone is a bunch of pixels (maybe leaning more towards the male gender) my response to them doesn't change no matter what their avatar looks like. If anything it is how they ask their questions and how they behave that influences whether I'll even listen to (or read) what they have to say or not, again regardless of gender.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:31:00 - [17] Originally by: Nemesis Factor Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. This ^^ EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Amerilia	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:51:00 - [18] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Nemesis Factor Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. This ^^ EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Why is a female Avatar for you = transvestite?
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.02.25 04:54:00 - [19] Originally by: Amerilia Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Nemesis Factor Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. This ^^ EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Why is a female Avatar for you = transvestite? Just because...men...dressing up as women...transvestite...it's just easier online since you don't have to shave any hair, worry about your voice, adam's apple etc... Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Liang Nuren No Salvation War.Pigs.	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:07:00 - [20] Originally by: Barakkus EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Never played WOW eh? -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Lance Fighter Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:12:00 - [21] Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Amerilia Originally by: Barakkus Originally by: Nemesis Factor Edited by: Nemesis Factor on 25/02/2010 01:13:13 I treat ALL eve players as if they were men, since they most likely are. This ^^ EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Why is a female Avatar for you = transvestite? Just because...men...dressing up as women...transvestite...it's just easier online since you don't have to shave any hair, worry about your voice, adam's apple etc... voice fonts? OHGODS BELOW THIS LINE IS MY SIG !!!! SRSLY! Blane Xero > Lance is at -0.9 sec status with a 1 million bounty. Lance is also amarrian. Thats 3 evil points
Terianna Eri Amarr Senex Legio Get Off My Lawn	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:15:00 - [22] what is the point of asking the same question for 3 systems also this is a terribly unscientific poll since most people IF THEY STOP TO THINK ABOUT IT will say that they'll give the same answer to someone regardless of gender. so your poll sucks. i dont care what gender someone's avatar is, if they ask for help on skills, fitting, missions, whatever, my response depends on how busy or bored i am. ________________ Originally by: CCP Incognito PS the "time to P*nis" is the shortest time recorded in human history. :)
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:21:00 - [23] We get your point, girl characters are of course going to get a more favorable response when the population is vastly guys. Doesn't work very well in EVE because all you get is a dinky portrait, but while playing a girl avatar in Guild Wars, I got tons of free stuff without having to do anything really. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
Virgil Travis Gallente	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:51:00 - [24] Would these requests in local be made in high sec or low/null sec? Gender is of no consequence to my decision making process, how they act and where the requests are being made do.
Alchemist's Alt Gallente Hysteria Nexus	Posted - 2010.02.25 05:57:00 - [25] What difference does it make if they are male / female, local is never open unless I need to check stats (who is red, who blue not who is male who is female), if someone in the corp / alliance asked for help depending on how they asked I would help, saying "I am female" will just get a ****y reply back. Besides most players make female chars because the male ones turn them on too much FIRST!!
The AEther Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.02.25 06:23:00 - [26] Since character faces do not show by default in game, quite a few players out there would chatting to others not even knowing what their characters looks like or what its gender is because they do not bother to click on portraits. Thus they will give standard reply in all situations you described. You can even take a male brutor character give him name like "Kathie Johnson" and chat and flirt as if you are female irl, and some time will lapse before dudes will start doing "wtf" in chat channel. Agony Unleashed - no blues 0.0 pvp, pvp classes
Lui Kai Better Than You	Posted - 2010.02.25 06:55:00 - [27] You're going to find less (though still a fair bit, I'll grant) of the e-white knight nonsense that insists girl gamers would/should be treated differently than male ones in Eve. As to my answers: 1. Ignore both, every time. 2. Ignore both, every time. 3. For both: Offer to throw nickles at his/her face if he/she will dance like a monkey. If I buy someone's dignity, I want to get my money's worth. ----------------
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.02.25 07:16:00 - [28] You're in a game full of alts, where character gender is meaningless and altruism is almost non-existent. This psychology study is a meaningless waste of time. Avg age for players are generally > 27 years (iirc) - seasoned veterans, less hormonally challenged As for my answer, easy - ignore ALL.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:05:00 - [29] Really its just like life. There are four kinds of people: 1. Men that scream blue murder if a woman's **** pop out on live TV yet are desperate to get laid. 2. Women that wear dungarees and think all men are rapists. 3. People that think sexual innuendo is the height of wit and will get them a partner. 4. The majority of us that do not give a toss.
Winters Chill Amarr Shadow Legion. Talos Coalition	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:40:00 - [30] LOL "physics" of eve. like it when eve players pretend to be sociologists, its so cute ^^.
Doug Tapez	Posted - 2010.02.25 08:52:00 - [31] There are no girls in EVE, just 20 to 40 yrs old overweight male nerds pretending to be women.
Ambo I've Got Nothing	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:00:00 - [32] I never even know if a char is male or female. I'm not interested in the char, just the person behind it and unless I know otherwise, I'll always assume that person is male. Consequently, I'll react exactly the same in all cases: If I'm busy with something else then ignore. If I'm not then I'd also ignore them all. I won't have time to get into a big skills discussion, I'm done with PvE in eve so the mission does not interest me and I don't give isk to randoms, especially not whiny ones. Friends yes, randoms no. --------------------------------------
Newbear	Posted - 2010.02.25 09:41:00 - [33] Edited by: Newbear on 25/02/2010 09:42:26 When I am attacked, I scream "sexual abuse" and blow on my whistle. Then fetal position and cry into my pillow. Worked for me when I was 9 years old. Why is r@p3 censored? http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1213058 Hi-sec R&D corp boosting is open for business!
Something Random Gallente The Barrow Boys	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:30:00 - [34] Originally by: Nebarus Trolls please leave. :\ ----------------------------- 1. I would offer them a little advice if i was staying in the system for a while, all 3 systems i guess, probably just ask what theyd like to see themselves doing in the future and mention EveHQ and EveMon etc. 2. It would be very situational to know what my reaction would be. 3. I would join in and ask for a million isk too. Usually this then cascades into the entire hub asking for outrageous amounts of isk by the end of it. Job Done. I treat women avatars as women, male as male. You dont wanna be called 'babe/cutey/lover' ? get yourself a man head ***. Originally by:** CCP Fallout :facepalm:
Adunh Slavy	Posted - 2010.02.25 10:30:00 - [35] Right now, treat them all the same. After Incarna, is the female walking animation is nice, I might just follow one to hell and back ... far enough back where I have a decent view that is. The Real Space Initiative - V6 (Forum Link)
ISellThingz	Posted - 2010.02.25 12:46:00 - [36] Edited by: ISellThingz on 25/02/2010 12:49:17 Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore Pretty much. I never even read local.
My Postman	Posted - 2010.02.25 15:17:00 - [37] 1) If asked polite, and i¦m not busy, help both as far as possible ie. EveHQ, EVEmon, Skill forum. 2) If not busy and beeing in a proper ship i¦ll help the male out of trouble, after checking the char, and getting ganked for it. Chances 80/20 for me. Female is a trap, i¦m ganked for sure if i give it a go, so i won¦t. 3) Ignore both, but it¦s not a problem to help out someone i know. TL;DR; There are no girls playing this game. Never heard one on vent. Never saw one. This game is full of scammers, gankers, griefers and a**hats only playing this game for ruining your day. Trust nobody, not even your alt! Fake Edit: Like one of the above posters said, after WiS i would follow a sweety to hell and back, just for RPing. Second fake edit: Just look at the forums, if going from there half the population of eve would be female - so just see tl; dr; Hope this helps!
Ikserak tai	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:01:00 - [38] Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore Local is such a mess I consider everyone either a scammer, e-peen waver, or smack-talking noob. I'm either travelling thru and rarely have time to read the dung, or I'm busy buying/selling and then undocking to go about my business. IF the player were to convo me personally, I'd try to lend a hand though. So the answers would be: 1. I'd refer the person to the Skill Discussions on the forums. There is no such thing as a quick and easy answer to someone who has such a general question regarding training. 2. I'd consider any request for helping out on a mission a trap, and advise the player to warp in and out as many times as needed to eventually get the rat themselves. 3. Anyone asking for Isk is a scammer, period. Unasked, I've given noobs pecking away at asteroids in mining frigs anywhere from a 1/2 to a million Isk just 'cause I know what it feels like. I YOU'VE NEVER ROCKED 'TIL YOU'VE UNDOCKED.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:03:00 - [39] Edited by: Tippia on 25/02/2010 17:04:20 Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore ^^ The only purpose of local is to provide intel on who's in the system. Anyone who talks in local has, by very definition, nothing worth-while to say and is therefore not worth listening to. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
SomebodyKickedMyDog	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:29:00 - [40] 1. ask them what they're focusing on and what they've trained so far. go from there. 2. ignore 3. agree and add that i'd like money too.
Sig Sour	Posted - 2010.02.25 17:57:00 - [41] I would not bother responding to any of those questions. This study seems rather shallow. The subject of how men and women interact online, particularity in Eve, is interesting. However I think you missed it here. am tip: Assume ALL players of Eve are men till otherwise mentioned, noted or verified.
Banana Torres The Green Banana Corporation	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:27:00 - [42] My rule is to ignore everything that is not in fleet or alliance chat. Because it is always a scam.
Merin Ryskin Peregrine Industries	Posted - 2010.02.25 18:41:00 - [43] Edited by: Merin Ryskin on 25/02/2010 18:41:11 Originally by: Nebarus 1. Imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc) Both characters ask the following out in local chat; "Could someone help me choose what skills to pick next? I'm lost :\" In all three cases: answer honestly to stall and distract them while scanning them down to gank them. Alternatively, if they are not in space to be ganked, either ignore or answer honestly depending on how bored I am. Quote: []2. Again , imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc). These 3 systems are missionhubs, and youÆre afking/doing missions/whatever. Suddenly, the character (mind you, again, only 1 at a time at different times) asks the following in local: ôCould someone please help me kill this Mercenary Captain? I canÆt take him out by myself ):ö In all cases: leave fleet as soon as I warp to the mission, kill the NPC, then kill the mission runner as soon as they loot the wreck. Quote:* []3. In 3 trade-hub systems imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, asking out in local for 1 million isk for a new ship. How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) Ignore. I am a pirate, not a charity. Unfortunately for your survey, I am not stupid enough to assume that the gender of a character portrait is the same as the gender of its owner. And even if it was, unless the person is a) going to give me free p0rn of themselves, or b) going to fall for a flirting attempt and allow me to scam/kill them, then I don't give a *** who they are, the odds of them living anywhere near me are essentially zero, so they're just another target. -----------
ChickenOfDoom	Posted - 2010.02.28 07:59:00 - [44] Originally by: Doug Tapez There are no girls in EVE, just 20 to 40 yrs old overweight male nerds pretending to be women. hey don't forget about the underweight male nerds
Ben Derindar Dirty Deeds Corp.	Posted - 2010.02.28 08:15:00 - [45] 1. I'd ignore him/her. 2. I'd ignore him/her. 3. If no-one else had said it already, I'd tell them to earn it themselves. The gender of the character is irrelevant since it's a near certainty that I won't have their portrait loaded and I won't care enough to get their info. /Ben
Halcyon Ingenium Caldari Eternal Frontier	Posted - 2010.02.28 09:38:00 - [46] Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore This. This is typical. You go on this forum and start reading what people write, finding what they have written to be banal or amusing, never realizing until it is too late that your reading a signature.
Annie Anomie Gallente Shadows Of The Federation	Posted - 2010.02.28 11:44:00 - [47] Originally by: Nebarus Edited by: Nebarus on 25/02/2010 00:59:33 Trolls please leave. :\ ----------------------------- Hi fellow EVE players! About a year ago I posted a query for help in this very forum regarding an analysis I needed help with. At the time it was concerning Physics in EVE, and why/how things ended up like they did for EVE. This time around, however, it's not nearly as interesting an analysis that I need help with.. But none the less, it needs doing. So, if as many of you as possible could respond to these questions as detailed as possible, I'd be eternally grateful! Honestly, ther might be tears! (firefly ftw! :D ). I might even go as far as to send you a symbolic gift of .1 isk as thanks :) Anyways, on to the questions! There are in essence 3 different situations that I need you to consider; Please emphasize the difference between your interactions with the male/female character! 1. Imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc) Both characters ask the following out in local chat; "Could someone help me choose what skills to pick next? I'm lost :\" How would you react to all 6 situations (1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems)? (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) 2. Again , imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, in the same 3 systems all at different times. (This to even out any indiscrepancies etc). These 3 systems are missionhubs, and youÆre afking/doing missions/whatever. Suddenly, the character (mind you, again, only 1 at a time at different times) asks the following in local: ôCould someone please help me kill this Mercenary Captain? I canÆt take him out by myself ):ö How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) 3. In 3 trade-hub systems imagine 2 characters, 1 male 1 female, asking out in local for 1 million isk for a new ship. How do you react to the male/female? What would you say? (Remember, 6 different situations; 1 male, 1 female characters in 3 different systems) (if you're short on time or whatev, please answer at least once for the male, once for the female :) ) Now, that's it.. Please answer as *detailed as possible; write down what you would reply in local/IM etc. Now, the more the merrier, so. :D Thanks all! /Nebarus Mmmm. Sorry for a not-so helpful answer (depending on what you were hoping to do with these results) but to all three I would say that gender doesn't even register as a category for characters. I play with avatars off in chat windows because it eats screen real estate and doesn't really add any information to my screen. Although I don't necessarily trust that figure thrown around that 95% of the playerbase are male (I know more girls who pretend to be blokes than vica versa it tends to be my assumption that a female character* is more likely than not to be a male player. So yeah, with that in mind, I don't even look at the character icon. It's like schrodingers dong or something. Until I've been on vent with someone I kind of assume they're a bloke and I don't really think of the character as being anything. I suppose I'd also say that I'm just as susceptible to rationalisation and lack of insight as anyone else so if this experiment is a big one maybe you should actually test this. Also this forum is full of smart arse trolls so you might get more useful results with survey monkey or whatever.
Zedic Amarr Universalis Imperium	Posted - 2010.02.28 12:11:00 - [48] Edited by: Zedic on 28/02/2010 12:13:50 Edited by: Zedic on 28/02/2010 12:11:47 I'm kinda weird... I look at the picture (I obsessively load them all, was drilled into our heads to do this for non + standings pilots long long ago, in a region far far south) and the name and then I try to determine if the picture / name is a male or female. Then from that I determine how to address them, or talk about them. I cannot help but use "he" or "she". Zebra for example likes spam, and thinks that Black Ops (and indeed the covert ship line save the bombers) needs a refresh (paraphrased). I agree with "her" but I have no idea if the person behind the character is a him or a her, but the avatar presents as female, so I say "her" until corrected. I find it boarish and dismissive to assume that all players are male. They aren't. Some of the most deadly pvp'ers in Eve are in fact female, and they will hunt you down and slaughter your digital self purely for the hunt, or for some sort of slight they have perceived. One would do well never to cross any of them. You think Hetero males would have learned this by now. /me points to evolutionary evidence of all female species on Earth Like IRL, if a person presents as one sex, I attempt to classify them in my mind, and in dealing with them on a personal level as the sex they portray. "BUT ITS A MAN IN A DRESS!" doesn't really register with me. That person presents as a female, so I think of them that way. In a game, where guys make avatar's that look like their wives, or GF's in a sad attempt to quell the rising female fury that will surely fall upon them for "gaming" in the first place, I can see why guys make avatars that look like girls. That or they're low grade scammers looking for a hand out. As for your questions: 1. In each situation, I would - if I am not pressed for time, or have to be somewhere else - have a chat with the person and try and see if I can help them decide what they'd like to achieve in the game (so they can determine for themselves which skill path to follow next). 2. Again, unless otherwise assigned, or engaged I would assist the person if I could, and was in a ship that could lend support and this was a high security system that I could hopefully survive in long enough should it be some sort of bizarre suicide attack. I would also not help if I didn't think my current ship could last long enough (i.e. wouldn't bother helping in say, an interceptor). 3. No. Never. I do not give isk to beggars. I don't give a crap who they are in real life, who they portray in game whatev. Unless we're sleeping together, you aren't getting me lucky charms There are no free rides in Eve. Cash, grass or ass.
TimMc Gallente Trans-Solar Works Rooks and Kings	Posted - 2010.02.28 13:46:00 - [49] 1. Give advice. 2. Ignore 3. Ignore I assume all female characters are men on other end unless they specifically say. Then if they shout about it I treat them like the attention *****s they are.
Sahriah BloodStone Caldari No.Mercy Gentlemen's Club	Posted - 2010.02.28 14:09:00 - [50] As a female gamer i have learnt that the reactions people have to you are not based on avatar, as many males have female avatars anyway. It comes from them learning you are really female, through voice comms or chat (i got new shoes?). As for me i treat everyone equally, the way it should be, but i have to admit i do like the freebies sometimes :P so 1) Try to help out (find out where they are atm. I usually go for 'how do you like to play games IE: defensive, offensive etc) 2) Ignore 3) Ignore 2 and 3 mostly because scamming is so common. Systems are irrelevent ---------------------- Sahriah Bloodstone No.Mercy
Illwill Bill Svea Rike Mostly Harmless	Posted - 2010.02.28 17:31:00 - [51] 1) Offer as decent advice as I can, assuming it's a new player. 2) If a new char, offer advice on fitting. 3) Offer a Civilian miner to the beggar, and tell him to get his own ISK.
Erin Davis Caldari 3LITE. Emergence.	Posted - 2010.02.28 17:36:00 - [52] i actually had a guy convo me in jita giving me about 300m in crap...all becouse i was the first female character he saw..... I dont know why lol....it gets you free stuff sometimes.
Iamien Democracy of Klingon Brothers R.A.G.E	Posted - 2010.02.28 17:44:00 - [53] I have my chat window set not to load icons. So this survey is null and void. try to find a realy way of doing your homework assignment.
The DarqAngel	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:18:00 - [54] This ^^ EVE has the highest proportion of transvestites out of any MMO on the market. Just a comment on your observation: My first female toon was in Ryzom. I chose female as it was a 3rd person game and I'd rather watch the rear of a shapely female than a hairy assed male with genitalia neatly tucked in his knickers.
Oscardoodle Amarr	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:36:00 - [55] 1) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil 2) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil 3) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil I apologize for having one of those sigs...Sorry.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.02.28 19:44:00 - [56] Originally by: Oscardoodle 1) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil 2) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil 3) Raven Navy Issue - 350mil Pff. I always preferred 1) Charon - 650mil 2) Charon - 650mil 3) Charon - 650mil …just because of the additional level of fail required. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Larg Kellein Caldari Agony Unleashed Agony Empire	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:35:00 - [57] 1: If they can narrow it down, I'd give either character a few pointers, but if they're truly lost, I'd tell them to think about what they want to do, then hit the skills forum. Gender of the avatar plays no role in this. 2: I don't mission much, but I wouldn't join some random person's gang. Mental conditioning from the days of Lofty suggests it's someone after me lucky charms and tears. Again, gender is irrelevant. 3: I don't see local in trade hubs. But I don't give money to beggars, again regardless of gender.
Jerid Verges	Posted - 2010.02.28 21:52:00 - [58] Originally by: De'Veldrin Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:31:42 Edited by: De''Veldrin on 25/02/2010 01:29:01 Originally by: Sulg Females don't play EVE. Why do you ask questions about the impossible? Speaking as a female player, I'd like to invite you to wander on down to lowsec and then tell the Hellcats that they're male. Let me know how that works out for you. ^ Woman getting trolled. That said. 1. 2. 3. All ignore. I never have local up anyways.
Dravius Luxor Minmatar Phoibe Enterprises	Posted - 2010.02.28 22:00:00 - [59] I think that either the forums aren't a good sample group... or a lot of these folks are bending the truth a little. I have often seen men assuming that female avatar = female player in local, especially in trade hubs, where some scammers use it to great effect. Personally I find it hard not to assume a player is female if they have a female avatar, because I wouldn't consider using one myself. Each of my characters are male, because it just wouldn't feel right to roleplay a woman in an online game. I find it a little disturbing that so many do. As far as the questions go: 1: Male or female, don't care, I would only speak up if I felt the character was truly lost but was desperate to learn because they were addicted. I'd only answer if they'd filled in their bio... for some reason I don't trust people who have nothing in there. If it was a busy system I wouldn't bother. 2: I'd be more inclined to assist a female avatar, if I'm honest. My characters have a certain roleplay element to them, and as such this would be something logical for them to do. Also, perhaps incorrectly, I would assume that someone who plays a female character may be likely to be less aggressive, or at least less likely to be looking for a fight. Again, if it was a busy system, I would see myself as purely an observer, and ignore. 3: Ignore. If this character isn't a scammer by trade, he/she will become one the moment the first million hits their wallet.
Kalazar Amarr Nex Exercitus IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.02 21:58:00 - [60] Well, seeing as I know quite a few female EVE players (who include some of the best pvpers I've come across) including my girlfriend. I can tell all the neckbeards chanting "NO GIRLS ON TEH INTERNET LULZ!!!" that there are in fact women a) on the internet in general and b) in EVE online. You just haven't seen them because they're avoiding you because they don't want you stalking them. In response to the actual thread: 1) Male or female: I'd ask them what they'd finished training last, and what they wanted to work towards, then give a rough outline of the things they should look to train. 2) Male or female: Ignore (Hint: It's a tarp!) 3) Male: If I knew them, I'd give them a million isk. If not I'd tell them to go make their own damn isk. Female: If I knew them, I'd give them a million isk. If not I'd maybe type something along the lines of "obvious scam is obvious"
Jimer Lins Gallente Noir. Noir. Mercenary Group	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:25:00 - [61] Since I never look at icons/avatars, I sometimes know someone for quite a while before I even know what gender their avatar is. That said, for all 3 of those questions: 1) "What do you enjoy doing in the game and what do you have trained now?" 2) Ignore them; anyone who says something like this is trying to set you up for a gank. 3) Ignore them and put them on mute in local; anyone who says something like this is a scammer. All of these responses apply equally regardless of avatar; which as I said I generally don't even see because everyone's a ! in local to me. Killboard-Declarations of War Podcast
minerboob Gallente LG Industries The Polaris Syndicate	Posted - 2010.03.03 01:35:00 - [62] Lets be more blunt about this... Females who actually play this game (around 5% of players) suck at this game, bad. So I offer them more help as they don't have the gaming experience as guys do. If they are begging, they get nothing. Radioactive cats have 18 half lives.
Mac Maniac Caldari Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2010.03.03 15:37:00 - [63] TBH... all the the females I have encountered playing this game were more competent pilots/players than the majority of the men...... Major suckage seems to occur mostly in Highsec...... Nothing but sheep there........ bah bah bah
Jypsie	Posted - 2010.03.03 16:38:00 - [64] Originally by: Neriyana 1) Ignore 2) Ignore 3) Ignore
Hanso Sparxx Deep Penetration Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.03 16:52:00 - [65] Wait... you can get the internet in the kitchen? ------------------ Go Deep!
Alachia Mar	Posted - 2010.03.03 16:57:00 - [66] I automatically assume that everyone in EVE is an A-Hole so: 1.Ignore 2.Ignore 3.Ignore

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