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Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:52:00 -
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please CCP get new commentators they're so bad. VINDICATED? Seriously... |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:53:00 -
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WHERE DO THEY GET THESE PUNKS, SO BAD. I WOULD RATHER LISTEN TO NICKLEBACK! |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
66
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:54:00 -
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well you haven't been on the air yet mb3 so that might be a pretty valid comment tomorrow |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
220
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:56:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:well you haven't been on the air yet mb3 so that might be a pretty valid comment tomorrow
I'm pretty nervous, I just want people to like me. I'm a pretty lonely person IRL and just want hugs. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:57:00 -
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you'll always have your vibrator |
ovenproofjet
The Illuminatii
Mildly Intoxicated
51
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Posted - 2012.06.30 20:57:00 -
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Only seeing half of Kil2s face ruined it for us all |
Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
3799
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:06:00 -
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ovenproofjet wrote:Only seeing half of Kil2s face ruined it for us all
i think you mean seeing half of his face was more than enough to ruin it for us all |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
630
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:07:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:please CCP get new commentators they're so bad. VINDICATED? Seriously...
I thought that was the only funny thing you said. 
shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Pandemic Legion
1815
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:32:00 -
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michael boltonIII wrote:WHERE DO THEY GET THESE PUNKS, SO BAD. I WOULD RATHER LISTEN TO NICKLEBACK!
I heard 'Something in your Mouth' by Nickelback was your favorite song, space bro.
CSM 7 Chairman
My Blog - Where I say stuff
Follow Seleene on Twitter! |
Firebolt145
Gunpoint Diplomacy
56
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:39:00 -
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I feel the commentators have definitely got to improve their use of the camera. While it is nice to see EVE's amazing graphics and particle effects, it is very hard to get an overview of the battle while zoomed in on an ishkur. The small window in the lower right is simply not enough to show the battlefield.
Perhaps simple things like starting centered on the beacon but zoomed all the way out to show where the teams have warped in at, followed by centering upon ships taking damage while still zoomed out to highlight where ships are in relation to them. Is this scimitar on 0 with the vindicator and webbed to hell and back, or is it slowly building range and possibly going to escape?
Granted this is the very first day so I look forward to things improving over time. Thanks guys for being bold enough to at least volunteer to be commentators! |
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Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.06.30 21:42:00 -
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Those are CCP dudes running the camera from CCP HQ. The commentators are just chilling cloaked on grid trying to figure out what's going on |
Maximille Biagge
The Eden Trading International Corporation
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
65
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:13:00 -
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Is there no way for the commentators to see all the ewar effects on the ships liek us spectators?
"there is like no damage coming from this team" - yes because they are ALL jammed by ecm drones... |
Ginseng Jita
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
1275
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Posted - 2012.06.30 23:36:00 -
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Kil2 has been commentating tourneys for a long time and I like him. So bugger off you sodden bunch of whiners. |
Tiberius Patterson
Cthulu Mythos
3
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:01:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:Those are CCP dudes running the camera from CCP HQ. The commentators are just chilling cloaked on grid trying to figure out what's going on
You're terrible, Zastrow. I mean, come on... I think the whole EVE community /facepalmed when you made that Vinidcator being vindicated crack... BTW, see what you can do about getting us all copies of the CCP Soundwave soundboard. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:42:00 -
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Wow.
From: Devious II
To: Zastrow
INBOX
i must say that you have turned out to be one of the worst announcers I have ever listened to. Loved the Internet Bro Fist thing you did. Good job and continue failing! |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
67
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Posted - 2012.07.01 00:44:00 -
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Tiberius Patterson wrote:Zastrow wrote:Those are CCP dudes running the camera from CCP HQ. The commentators are just chilling cloaked on grid trying to figure out what's going on You're terrible, Zastrow. I mean, come on... I think the whole EVE community /facepalmed when you made that Vinidcator being vindicated crack... BTW, see what you can do about getting us all copies of the CCP Soundwave soundboard.
I want this so bad. If i had it i would just replace myself with soundwave's dulcet tones. I know thats what you all really want anyways |
LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
70
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:06:00 -
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Full marks to Raivi for excellent commentary. Kil2 did sa good job too, allthough there was a few instances where he appeared uncertain of what happend. Lazarus Telraven was decent, given that it was his first time. Zastrow.... well. Sorry dude, but you are just unfunny, rude and on top of that dont seem to take your job seriously. You are commentating a live stream explaining EVE PVP to thousands of viewers, not jabbing with your friends over a beer. Pull yourself together, you can do better than this.
To CCP, good show. The new interface takes a lot of space but it also gives a LOT of information now. I just love the effects notifications, which makes it SOO much easier to follow what happens. On that note however, it seems to me like the commentators dont have the information that is available to the viewers. On several occasions it was plainly obvious what was happening just from watching effects notifications but the commentators were still discussing what MIGHT be going on. As a consequence, the commentators and the interface told different stories of what was happening on several occasions. |
Stargriever
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 01:41:00 -
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CCP needs to remove the pictures from the bottom of the screen. It's obvious you guys are looking at yourselves instead of watching the fights. I have no desire to look at you and you're all clearly distracted. |
Jay Wareth
1
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Posted - 2012.07.01 02:13:00 -
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Maximille Biagge wrote:Is there no way for the commentators to see all the ewar effects on the ships liek us spectators?
"there is like no damage coming from this team" - yes because they are ALL jammed by ecm drones...
Not that I actually have a clue, but Kil2 said during the stream that those icons only show that the module is active. It doesn't mean that the jams are hitting. |
Kil2
Club Bear
278
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Posted - 2012.07.01 02:57:00 -
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Jay Wareth wrote:Maximille Biagge wrote:Is there no way for the commentators to see all the ewar effects on the ships liek us spectators?
"there is like no damage coming from this team" - yes because they are ALL jammed by ecm drones... Not that I actually have a clue, but Kil2 said during the stream that those icons only show that the module is active. It doesn't mean that the jams are hitting.
Yeah theres a lot going on here that isn't obvious. We can see the ewar effects you see, but we see them on a delay. The ewar effects you see don't necessarily mean that the effect is actually making a difference (jams attempted but missed, or TDs applied but outside falloff).
And most importantly, getting used to using the new interface was just plain awkward for me for at least the first 4 matches. Hopefully we all get better at using all the information available as the tournament goes on. =)
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Tiberius Patterson
Cthulu Mythos
4
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Posted - 2012.07.01 05:34:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:Tiberius Patterson wrote:Zastrow wrote:Those are CCP dudes running the camera from CCP HQ. The commentators are just chilling cloaked on grid trying to figure out what's going on You're terrible, Zastrow. I mean, come on... I think the whole EVE community /facepalmed when you made that Vinidcator being vindicated crack... BTW, see what you can do about getting us all copies of the CCP Soundwave soundboard. I want this so bad. If i had it i would just replace myself with soundwave's dulcet tones. I know thats what you all really want anyways
Exactly. I think we would all use it to make our ringtones on our phones something that Soundwave says. People everywhere will use Soundwave to let them know when they have a call or a text... |
Zumra
INX Industries
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 05:34:00 -
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I liked the first two commentators, Raivi and Lazarus, and I think the first half was commentated much better then the second half. The other two guys... I feel sorry for Kil2 because it looked like he was trying to comment on the matches, while Zastrow appeared to just be babbling off on his own uninteresting tangent that had nothing to do with the fights, at least the new interface made it easy to see what was going on even without actual commentary on the match. |
Tiberius Patterson
Cthulu Mythos
4
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Posted - 2012.07.01 05:37:00 -
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I think you guys are being harsh... Yeah, Zastrow may have made some mistakes but it's not easy talking live in front of thousands of people about what's going on on the screen. So he wasn't perfect. Big deal. I love to bash on Goons since it's the "cool" thing to do but I think Zastrow did a good job for what it was. |
Vanakov Mek'lanavar
Sileo In Pacis
THE SPACE P0LICE
2
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Posted - 2012.07.01 08:23:00 -
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My name is Van-a-kov not Vankonov, Raivi and Lazarus. |
Aldap
Club Bear
105
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Posted - 2012.07.01 08:52:00 -
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Zastrow really bad commentator imo :-(
My latest PvP videos: Underdog and Hunter-Hunted |
Ivana Twinkle
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
262
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Posted - 2012.07.01 08:53:00 -
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I didn't watch it but I'm sure he did fine. |
Nakatomi Kamatori
Space Meanies Inc.
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 09:58:00 -
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I think they were all great. You guys are spoiled :) Anyone remember Brienne? 
Zastrow was probably the one who gave the least information about what was happening in the battle, but he was in my opinion the most entertaining while also being informative. I enjoyed seeing him and Kil2 arguing. |
Riffler
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:13:00 -
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At least the commentary is better than the poetry. |
Hathrul
DEEP-SPACE CO-OP LTD
Exhale.
96
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:18:00 -
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a few years ago (2010?) ccp hammer did the commentary for a single match. he is by far my favorite of all time (i wonder what this fit is....oh, im a dev. ill just check =) )
and yea, the vindicator jokes were terrible. really hoping for more of those =) |
Fish Brain
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.01 11:58:00 -
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With the new interface giving you pretty much all the info you need, I don't think commentators /have to/ talk about what's going on all the time anymore. Having said that, Zastrow still has a long way to go to match DARIUS JOHNSON in terms of terrible puns. |
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Retardat
SEX WITH PENYS
0
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Posted - 2012.07.01 12:17:00 -
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Sorry but Kil2 was out of his game .. and Zastrov its useless .. terrible goonswarm jokes ..he's like a puppet .. Raivi did a great job , he should be on more ..he sounds a lil gay but he's great commentator |
Blawrf McTaggart
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1203
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Posted - 2012.07.01 12:38:00 -
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PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER ZASTROW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS |
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
630
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:29:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER ZASTROW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS
You mean like staying offline and letting Kil2 do all the job instead?
I want, no, I crave more horrible Vindicator jokes, tho.
shiptoastin' liek a baws |
Vile rat
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1385
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Posted - 2012.07.01 13:36:00 -
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I was entertained watching somebody else play video games. |
LtCol Laurentius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
71
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:47:00 -
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Blawrf McTaggart wrote:PULL YOURSELF TOGETHER ZASTROW YOU CAN DO BETTER THAN THIS
Hehe. He did actually. Day 2 was a huge improvement on Zastrows part, and I thoroughly enjoyed watching the fights he and Raivi commented.
Now if only Michael Bolton III could be persuaded to actually comment on the match at hand instead of talking about other more or less unrelated stuff, it should be a good torurney.  |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
88
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Posted - 2012.07.02 03:56:00 -
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I'm glad we're broadcasting the prelims this year because it takes a few matches to get in the groove of being able to analyze the match while giving relevant commentary instantly, live. Today was MB3's first matches to commentate, he'll get better. |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
66
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Posted - 2012.07.02 04:49:00 -
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Kil2 wrote:
Yeah theres a lot going on here that isn't obvious.
The question I have for you is have you figured out the difference between beam and pulse Harbingers yet and how to identify them? :P
The commentary has been forced at times, good at others, and embarrassing anytime MBIII has been involved. The fact that I can sit on my alliance TS and we're discussing the strategic merits of which ship is being primaried and which is being hit with ewar while the official stream is nothing but jokes about terrible facial hair is a little sad. I muted the sound for most of the day. |
michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
227
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Posted - 2012.07.02 05:16:00 -
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The viewer has the advantage of being able to see all the wonderful new effects and team sorting on the stream interface thanks to the great work from the guys at the EVETV production team, CCP Veritas, and The AT team.
The commentators have the client and delayed version of the stream that is about 5 seconds behind. I also found that for some reason my stream was even further behind than this, like 20 seconds or something, likely due to my computer being made of wood. With only the client available, I was pretty flustered as I had practiced to cast from the overlay and during last years commentary I had never used the caster client computer. Other than that I had a match where I lost all my locks save for 2, and that wasn't fun at all.
I've gone over the videos of my cast for today and I have a list of things that I need to work on. I recognize that today wasn't exactly an all-star performance, but I hope that people will be a little patient with us. Aside from kil2, none of us have ever cast from home or cast these 6 man teams, so we are still getting comfortable.
You'll probably still hear about facial hair though. I think that laz has a pretty solid beard and kil2's stubble has yet to truly shine. |
TheGunslinger42
Bite Me inc
Exhale.
123
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:55:00 -
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I liked the part where the commentator didn't even know you can't field flagships in prelims, or that the ship they did field wasn't their flagship anyway.
At least with the new UI I can just completely mute these nitwits and still get a good overview of whats going on |
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:27:00 -
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Commentators are supposed to entertain. Zastrow did that well. |
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:32:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:please CCP get new commentators they're so bad. VINDICATED? Seriously...
I agree.
Commentators are meant to be knowledgeable about the game and give accurate information of what is going on.
You don't.
Then to top it off I hear things like:
"The slepnir just 1 shot the proteus, maybe he forgot to turn on his hardner's" when it's speed ramped up over 10k ms and disappeared.
I'm a new player and I recognised that... |
Gary Goat
XDC-UK
14
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:39:00 -
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I think everyones being a little hard on the commentators here. It aint easy to do live comentary and these guys have put themselves on the spot to make the coverage of this years tournament better then ever. Give em a break, they're doing fine.
Well, apart from Zastrow..... VINDICATED?! WTF! |
Pahah Pahineh
Universal Ally
3
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:48:00 -
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CCP took tens of thousands of dollars as entry fees for the tournament and commentators are volunteering their time to this.
I think that makes them extremely charitable and yet hugely misguided, but it's their choice to make. Either step up, or step off. They're the good guys. |
Crellion
Parental Control
27
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:02:00 -
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I do not know who gets paid and who does what for free and so on and so forth blah blah blah but the commentators are indeed terrible.
Definately take the thumb out of the rear aperture CCP and use "volunteers" WHO HAVE PARTICIPATED IN RPEVIOUS SUCCESFUL TOURNEY TEAMS FOR GODS SAKE
is that so hard to fathom as a necessary policy?
If these dudes have indeed done well in tourneys in the past somehow find their FC at the time and give him liek 1 gazillion hugs because he is a hero...
as people said before in this thread being unsure as to what happened with that Proteus (onevolleyes for forgeting to turn hadeners on was a the most palusible scenario they came up with...) was an extreme example of their suckiness and offensive to a team that would in all probability (seeing as the fight evolved from there on) have won convincingly if not for the lost connection and they had to sit their and listen to the "commentarors" offer their opinions as to why Proteus is not a good ship for the toutney... clueless is clueless...
Seriously I had the logi de-sync on me on my first ever tourney fight and its nightmare enough without such duded rubbing salt to the wound...
and props to Ookke (and JJ Wara et all) for still doing it like a boss... gggg |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
Cascade Imminent
206
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:04:00 -
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They shoulda chosen me XD. Well, maybe next year.
/me grabs tinfoil had with the full cfc commentators.
Good news is while you are doing commentator work, we get to wage war, yar! |
Khanh'rhh
Caldari Provisions
1369
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:09:00 -
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You're all so bitter 
I enjoyed the commentary. Not all commentary needs to be a dry analysis of what is going on, since it's dull.
I was entertained throughout.
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"Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930's |
StoneCold
Praetorian Cannibals
17
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:18:00 -
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I didn-¦t watch all matches but a couple before the break, a few after the break (on saturday and sunday).
Imo the commentators did a good job - i liked especially the "vindicated"-part. |
Penelope Star
27
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:35:00 -
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How about all the complainers take any match from this past weekend and make a youtube demo of how they would have done it better.
You'd have all the advantages of hindsight, no lag and no live stream stresses.
Even so I think many of you will find you're not as endlessly entertaining as you think you are.
This year's team is a great mix. We need different personalities to keep it lively. FFS they even go back over the matches they've covered to see how they can improve! That's a lot of time and devotion for a free service.
If you can't step up and show us your superior qualities then mute or STFU
I know your type: -á tall, dark and dead |
Snake O'Connor
Doctrine.
FEARLESS.
9
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:44:00 -
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Support the petition if you are sick of it: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=128268&find=unread |
Markus Reese
Incertae Sedis
Cascade Imminent
206
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:46:00 -
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Penelope Star wrote:How about all the complainers take any match from this past weekend and make a youtube demo of how they would have done it better.
You'd have all the advantages of hindsight, no lag and no live stream stresses.
Even so I think many of you will find you're not as endlessly entertaining as you think you are.
This year's team is a great mix. We need different personalities to keep it lively. FFS they even go back over the matches they've covered to see how they can improve! That's a lot of time and devotion for a free service.
If you can't step up and show us your superior qualities then mute or STFU
Agree with most points except the great mix. It is all CFC! FYI, I also have a controlling investment in a tinfoil hat company. |
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Mr Rive
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
32
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:13:00 -
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You need a british commentator. All your american ones sound camp |
Fish Brain
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
15
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:18:00 -
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Gary Goat wrote:
Well, apart from Zastrow..... VINDICATED?! WTF!
Yeah Zastrow, WTF!? |
CracatusMilo
Ghost Net Industrialists
Rebel Alliance of New Eden
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:25:00 -
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Quote:Penelope Star wrote:
How about all the complainers take any match from this past weekend and make a youtube demo of how they would have done it better.
You'd have all the advantages of hindsight, no lag and no live stream stresses.
Even so I think many of you will find you're not as endlessly entertaining as you think you are.
This year's team is a great mix. We need different personalities to keep it lively. FFS they even go back over the matches they've covered to see how they can improve! That's a lot of time and devotion for a free service.
If you can't step up and show us your superior qualities then mute or STFU.
Great idea- open it up to other people rather than "those dudes from goons/test)
I had a professional radio presenter in my old alliance that knows his way around a mic, and am sure that there are many other competent people out there. However it clearly seems a case of who u know /are rather than what u know/can do.
And it shows.... |
Gutuie
5
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:35:00 -
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I miss Shadoo he was the best
MB3 is just a pathetic clown still virgin who wait 1 year for his minutes of fame, this guy annoy me with the comments/ look/ gesture he is the perfect image avatar for what mean a pubbie in this game |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
90
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:54:00 -
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my favorite part of doing this commentary is that it's LIVE, unrehearsed, unedited PLUS IT'S RECORDED. So when we're sitting there on the spot trying to keep track of 12 ships flying in different directions and shooting/ewarring different targets and we're trying to remember an obscure ship's bonuses or which alliance a pilot was in 2 years ago and we miss something (like an e-warp), it's recorded FOREVER. Years from now when some newbie listens to me screw up live on the air, he too will get to call me a ****** in youtube comments. It's a beautiful thing really |
Destination SkillQueue
Are We There Yet
2464
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:22:00 -
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Khanh'rhh wrote:You're all so bitter I enjoyed the commentary. Not all commentary needs to be a dry analysis of what is going on, since it's dull. I was entertained throughout.
It's the same complaining and nitpicking every year and with every commentator. They all got their fans ofcourse, but every one of them gets their fair share of ***** thrown at them by the forum monkeys. I'm sure one qualification for a good commentator is the ability to either ignore or shrug off the non-constructive negative feedback and keep doing their thing. |
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
12
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Posted - 2012.07.02 14:36:00 -
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Jokes aside each year its getting worse. Except Kill2 
You could at least get a list of better jokes....
<---- Not entertained. WTF I'm paying you imaginary $ for? |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
139
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Posted - 2012.07.02 16:49:00 -
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Haters gonna hate. vOv I happen to like all of the commentators this year (though Laz has a wee bit of a monotone sometimes), and as a lover of puns I found the Vindicator joke to be spot on, like an aged wine. |
Lazarus Telraven
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
18
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Posted - 2012.07.02 17:12:00 -
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Rer Eirikr wrote:Haters gonna hate. vOv I happen to like all of the commentators this year (though Laz has a wee bit of a monotone sometimes), and as a lover of puns I found the Vindicator joke to be spot on, like an aged wine.
hey now, im working on it :p why dont you go mass MarineMauraderMedivac about it :mad:
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TeaDaze
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
2
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Posted - 2012.07.02 19:54:00 -
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Mr Rive wrote:You need a british commentator.
Hell yes ;)
Served on CSM4 and CSM5, AT7 "Expert" |
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michael boltonIII
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
230
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Posted - 2012.07.02 20:03:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:Haters gonna hate. vOv I happen to like all of the commentators this year (though Laz has a wee bit of a monotone sometimes), and as a lover of puns I found the Vindicator joke to be spot on, like an aged wine. hey now, im working on it :p why dont you go mass MarineMauraderMedivac about it :mad: seriousedit: give me your exact terran build order.. i forgot it >.> Or maybe Team Liquid wants to teach me how to be pro at SC2 (Just started playing cpl weeks ago and already ranked 2nd in bronze as Protoss.. im sorta a big deal in SC2 (no im not))
I've given you exact build orders bro, you just need to actually spend all your money and not skip scv/depot production. Some day you will make it all the way up to diamond with me, and truly realize how bad even diamond players are at SC2. |
Zedd Al'thor
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
1
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Posted - 2012.07.02 22:51:00 -
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Lazarus Telraven wrote:
seriousedit: give me your exact terran build order.. i forgot it >.> Or maybe Team Liquid wants to teach me how to be pro at SC2 (Just started playing cpl weeks ago and already ranked 2nd in bronze as Protoss.. im sorta a big deal in SC2 (no im not))
You are assuming we actually play SC2... |
Karah Serrigan
The Hatchery
Team Liquid
32
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Posted - 2012.07.03 11:54:00 -
[63] - Quote
michael boltonIII wrote:Lazarus Telraven wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:Haters gonna hate. vOv I happen to like all of the commentators this year (though Laz has a wee bit of a monotone sometimes), and as a lover of puns I found the Vindicator joke to be spot on, like an aged wine. hey now, im working on it :p why dont you go mass MarineMauraderMedivac about it :mad: seriousedit: give me your exact terran build order.. i forgot it >.> Or maybe Team Liquid wants to teach me how to be pro at SC2 (Just started playing cpl weeks ago and already ranked 2nd in bronze as Protoss.. im sorta a big deal in SC2 (no im not)) I've given you exact build orders bro, you just need to actually spend all your money and not skip scv/depot production. Some day you will make it all the way up to diamond with me, and truly realize how bad even diamond players are at SC2.
Just wait till you realize that even GSL players are truly awful at sc2. That is until flash jaedong bisu etc finally catch up and start powning :) |
DHB WildCat
Mind Games.
Suddenly Spaceships.
120
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:29:00 -
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Actually everyone is doing rather well this year. Kil2 is solid as usual and even the new faces like laz are are doing great with commenting on whats happening and theory crafting. My real only complaint is MB3, the amount of ums, yeahs, ehs.... is similar to a barbie doll from california, but I know this is difficult to do am hoping the nerves die down in the upcoming weeks.
Just dont make jokes, dont try to be cute, just commentate on the event at hand. Thats all we want and gj guys. |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
139
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Posted - 2012.07.03 13:52:00 -
[65] - Quote
Lazarus Telraven wrote:Rer Eirikr wrote:Haters gonna hate. vOv I happen to like all of the commentators this year (though Laz has a wee bit of a monotone sometimes), and as a lover of puns I found the Vindicator joke to be spot on, like an aged wine. hey now, im working on it :p why dont you go mass MarineMauraderMedivac about it :mad: seriousedit: give me your exact terran build order.. i forgot it >.> Or maybe Team Liquid wants to teach me how to be pro at SC2 (Just started playing cpl weeks ago and already ranked 2nd in bronze as Protoss.. im sorta a big deal in SC2 (no im not))
Trust me if there's one dude's build order that you don't want, its mine.
"Get 2-3 Racks, Expand, get like 5 more Racks"
Build a **** load of Marine/Marauder/Medivac
Attack Move |
Keimi chwan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 15:23:00 -
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We need more 'in depth' talk. I'm referring to the match of THE SPACE P0LICE where one tengu died in almost full shield to 3 Taloses. The commentators were amazed which is plain weird if you spend a little time in pvp you would know that taloses can ripp through ships (like most T3 bcs) if their positon is set up well. It woul be nice if they would talk more about how good their engagement is. Are they in a good/bad position? Is their angle good? Changing ammo types for ranges? Is their speed favoring them? Why are they not moving but rather shooting stationary?
Also the camera view is bad often times. Its zoomed in on one ship, and literaly just on one ship. We need to see whats happening on the field, so zoom out more and show us the bigger picture.
When any commentators give opinions about their 'favorite ships' tell us more why and how its a great ship instead of the 'its so good. It can tank so much. The damage is so great'.
I do not blame the commentators for their current performance. There is few practice material out there. In games such as starcraft you can record and playback all matches thus the commentating level is much higher in that game (day9 is a well known commentator explaining progamers tactics). However in Eve there is no recording of your battles so its hard to become good at it with no way of praticing it.
But I think the commentators can improve alot by going through a few simple steps:
1. What are the teams flying (what are the roles of each ship)
2. What would be the best primary and/or secondary targets? (or rather what are the different approaches to handle the team's compositions)
3. Check their high slots (gun types)
4. Check their velocity (nano, mwd, ab, armor buffer tank)
5. Check their range (strategy (sniper/kite or brawl)
6. Check angular velocity (guns) or velocity (missiles) (how hard can they hit from their current position)
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roigon
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.07.03 15:54:00 -
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I think the commentators are doing a fine job for what they are doing.
Eve isn't sc2. You can't just look at a build-order and automatically know what the player is going to do. This is the AT and people will field ecm rifters and armor sleipnirs. Perhaps it would be cool if the commentators could get full fittings before a match so they could better prepare their commentary, but this being eve I doubt people would trust it/want it.
I also would reiterate on what others have said and request more tactical camera footage of the battle instead of extreme closeups of wrecks/frigates/drones. I mean sure, some eye-candy now and then is appreciated, but now it's like 95% eye-candy 5% tactical shots of positions. |
Keimi chwan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:12:00 -
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roigon wrote:
Eve isn't sc2. You can't just look at a build-order and automatically know what the player is going to do. This is the AT and people will field ecm rifters and armor sleipnirs. Perhaps it would be cool if the commentators could get full fittings before a match so they could better prepare their commentary, but this being eve I doubt people would trust it/want it.
A ship flying at 1km/s or 2km/s already tells alot about his fitting and what type of weapons he has fitted. Thus narrows the possible strategies the team can do in order to beat the enemy.
Giving the commentators their fits would help alot, but they dont need it. Just as much you dont need to see everyting of your enemy in starcraft. Much is shown of the enemy of the way they are flying, even the warp in exposes a little bit (pointing at the brutix composition we saw who warped in at 0km).
roigon wrote:
I also would reiterate on what others have said and request more tactical camera footage of the battle instead of extreme closeups of wrecks/frigates/drones. I mean sure, some eye-candy now and then is appreciated, but now it's like 95% eye-candy 5% tactical shots of positions.
'Oh a hawk just died' - meanwhile camera man is trying to get the best angle on wreck and bc. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:51:00 -
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After having a chance to listen to ourselves on youtube from that first weekend we've worked out the kinks and learned a lot. The first weekend was a warm up, we are going to be way better from here on. Tune in this weekend for our newly improved incisive, gripping commentary |
Keimi chwan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2012.07.03 16:53:00 -
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Zastrow wrote:After having a chance to listen to ourselves on youtube from that first weekend we've worked out the kinks and learned a lot. The first weekend was a warm up, we are going to be way better from here on. Tune in this weekend for our newly improved incisive, gripping commentary
It is great you are watching the forums actively, thank you. And as of the next matches, gl :D |
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roigon
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.07.03 17:07:00 -
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Keimi chwan wrote: ..snip..
Well yes, obviously once the ships start flying and the game is underway you can start seeing what the fits are capable of. However, at that point the commentators have already been talking for at least half a minute. As I understand it they have to keep talking, watch the stream which is as delayed as for us, use the client to look around and see what's happening, while trying to form theories about what's going on.
That's a lot to do at the same time.
Then also trying to explain why certain ships are better then others is simply too much I think. It will take their mind of what is going on and it takes up precious time better spent explain what is actually happening. Explain why setup x or ship y is good is better left to the after-match studio segment, which we will no doubt see return after the pre-lims.
I think last year they had a sort of good rhythm at some point. Put the two teams into categories, kite/rush/ecm/whatever, give an idea of what to expect based on previous showings of similar setups, point out stuff happening in the match, talk about the teams and/or setups while nothing is happening. Like what potential linchpins could be or fail situations for the team that has the upper hand.
I don't think it's realistic to talk about resistances and ammo. Sure with missiles you can now see what ammo is being used, same with lasers. But with hybrid and projectiles it will be hard to spot.
In short. I think it's just not feasible to get all the data fast enough to comment on such details and there really isn't enough time to hold short intros into certain practices. I expect once the studio segment gets added we will get some more in-depth analysis and explanations. |
Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
66
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Posted - 2012.07.03 19:21:00 -
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I still wanna know if Kil2 has figured out how to differentiate beams and pulses. It's kinda a critical thing to be able to do if you're going to expend half a minute extolling the terribileness of a team's fit based upon your own inability to tell what the fit actually is.
Hint: fast RoF, pulses. Slow RoF: beams. Nevermind the actual turret models. Or the colors of the lasers indicating ammo types.
In any case, I'm totally still not bitter for being smacked by Kil2 for half of a match about my beam Harbinger when it was a pulse Harbinger back in AT8.
And for what it's worth, while I was at work Saturday and thus missed the tournament broadcast that day, I did watch Sunday and thought that whomever it was casting with MBIII was fine given the circumstances.
MB, to be honest man, it's not that you're terrible, it's that your casting feels forced. You're trying too hard to compensate for the fact that you don't have enough information to tell what's going on, and it comes across as you being a clown. That said, I don't know if this your normal self or not, as my only interaction with you in person was storming into your hotel room in Room With a View absolutely hammered with some of my Rote brosefs my last night at Fanfest and waking you up, and you were understandably rather unhappy with the situation. |
Zastrow
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
96
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Posted - 2012.07.03 20:46:00 -
[73] - Quote
Keimi chwan wrote:Zastrow wrote:After having a chance to listen to ourselves on youtube from that first weekend we've worked out the kinks and learned a lot. The first weekend was a warm up, we are going to be way better from here on. Tune in this weekend for our newly improved incisive, gripping commentary It is great you are watching the forums actively, thank you. And as of the next matches, gl :D
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wallenbergaren
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
44
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Posted - 2012.07.03 23:17:00 -
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roigon wrote:I don't think it's realistic to talk about resistances and ammo. Sure with missiles you can now see what ammo is being used, same with lasers. But with hybrid and projectiles it will be hard to spot.
In short. I think it's just not feasible to get all the data fast enough to comment on such details and there really isn't enough time to hold short intros into certain practices. I expect once the studio segment gets added we will get some more in-depth analysis and explanations.
Well, sometimes resists are a huge deal.
In the gallente vs gallente mirror that happened, for example. The Ishkurs wouldn't die, because they tank like 2.5k DPS on kin/therm and that's all you can shoot as Gallente. Instead the commentators said that it was the TDs that meant they couldn't hit a double-webbed and scrammed AF |
Nick Ohu
AfterMath.
Broken Toys
1
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Posted - 2012.07.04 04:16:00 -
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No more commentary about your own alliances, no one gives a **** if your in the same alliance as those fighting. |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc.
Dustm3n
33
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:39:00 -
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Hates gonna hate, Keep up the good work, Zastrow and MBIII. I enjoyed it. |
Bree Okanata
Romex Inc.
Dustm3n
33
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Posted - 2012.07.04 09:40:00 -
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DHB WildCat wrote:Actually everyone is doing rather well this year. Kil2 is solid as usual and even the new faces like laz are are doing great with commenting on whats happening and theory crafting. My real only complaint is MB3, the amount of ums, yeahs, ehs.... is similar to a barbie doll from california, but I know this is difficult to do am hoping the nerves die down in the upcoming weeks.
Just dont make jokes, dont try to be cute, just commentate on the event at hand. Thats all we want and gj guys.
Wrong. I want jokes. Lots of jokes. |
Desmond Robinson
Sonoran Sun Legion
Eternal Strife
0
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Posted - 2012.07.04 17:50:00 -
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How about keep it simple.. after the first weekend how do you rank these guys? Here's my rankings:
#1 - Raivi: Well rounded.. good overviews of the action, pertinent comments on how the teams were matched up.
#2 - Lazarus Telraven: After he got in the groove, he was great. Stuck to the facts,focused on the play-by-play. Great for a first time!
#3 - Kil2: VERY knowledgable..yes suffered at times from "information lag", but seemed to have the most depth of knowledge.
#4 - Zastrow: Seems to be a better "color" guy than a play-by-play guy. Most experienced..and yes did well enough.
#5 - Michael BoltonIII: Weakest link. Yes painful at times.. MBIII could stand to remember that he is basically standing on a podium with 10,000 people listening to him speak. Yes, you WILL be nervous.. and please do not channel that nervous energy to your mouth and random thoughts about items in your environment or in that of your fellow commentator's environment (wall pictures? really?). Focus on the action.. if you have information lag.. say nothing ("better to be silent and thought a fool than speak and remove all doubt"). Perhaps you should focus on the tactical screen and let us all know where each teams ships are positioned. It's hard to see the tac screen on those displays.
I am a trained public speaker, and considering the live nature of what these guys are doing, I think they did OK. Whenever you get up in front of an audience of ANY size.. let alone the 10,000+ or so who watch this live.. you are going to be nervous. Focus on what you know.. and only that.. we want to hear what you have to say..and your experiences that give credence to your statements. You will never ever NOT be nervous.. but we have a saying.."It's not the butterflies you have in your stomach.. it's how well you can make them fly in formation!" {grin}
Keep working guys.. and yes.. I recommend you pair up and have one focus on "color" and the other on "play-by-play".. pretty good job all around, and hopefully you'll have the routine polished in time for the GROUP stage and FINALS. I'm enjoying watching. ---Des |
Sarah Moonshine
doMAL S.A.
1
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:04:00 -
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Commentators are awesome (well, not you, MBIII =/). Btw, are you guys being flown to Iceland for the Finals? (sorry, couldn't be arsed to look for it in the tournament page). |
Hamish
Tribal Trust of Pator
Dystopia Alliance
3
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:15:00 -
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Sarah Moonshine wrote:Commentators are awesome (well, not you, MBIII =/). Btw, are you guys being flown to Iceland for the Finals? (sorry, couldn't be arsed to look for it in the tournament page).
yes they are, they'll be in studio for the last 2 weekends |
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FawKa
Snuff Box
10
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:19:00 -
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Only problem I have with the dear commentators atm is that they seem to have way too much stuff to look at.
If they had the same screen we do they would have seen that cyclone take damage and not go "oh, whaaa, oh, a cyclone just died" - no, he died 20 seconds ago. It takes away the whole point of them commentating if they aren't aware of whats going on.
I think they miss out way too much staring at fits and what not. |
Dinta Zembo
Snuff Box
72
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Posted - 2012.07.07 16:39:00 -
[82] - Quote
Its funny when MB starts off a long story while kil2 is trying to talk
But I agree with other people saying the commentators having too much to look at, the battlefeed is nice for the viewers but don't expect people to keep monitoring the battlefield, speed, point systems, hitpoints and ewar effects and keep talking non-stop. You'll end up with far too long stories (read my first line) that have like, no content  |
NinjaTurtle
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:15:00 -
[83] - Quote
"the fight is over"
/look at 4:30 left on clock
:psyduck: |
yokozuno
untaught
Exquisite Malevolence
3
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:17:00 -
[84] - Quote
PLEASE... make a poll on the avg. age of EVE players and turn off that ****** dub crap! thx. |
NinjaTurtle
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
17
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:19:00 -
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yokozuno wrote:PLEASE... make a poll on the avg. age of EVE players and turn off that ****** dub crap! thx.
my guess is it's not as high as you think it is... |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
Dystopia Alliance
98
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:26:00 -
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lookin good zastrow ! |
Speedy- Gonzales
Hoplite Brigade
0
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:29:00 -
[87] - Quote
NinjaTurtle wrote:"the fight is over"
/look at 4:30 left on clock
:psyduck:
TEST is winning!
50 - 0
er... |
Rer Eirikr
SniggWaffe
143
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Posted - 2012.07.07 18:30:00 -
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Dat.
Monocle. |
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