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Letrange Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:02:00 - [1] Torfi let a few things drop in his latest interview at 10 ton hammer. One of the more interesting is that the intention is to allow players to control the manufacturing of NPC goods thru planetary interaction. Although he does not commit CCP to any specific NPC goods in the interview, I can't help but wonder about: POS fuel.... Also of note: Wormhole planets will be available for development.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:05:00 - [2] LOL I guess I have a physic connection with CCP's development team! Amarr for Life
Akita T Caldari Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:08:00 - [3] "TTH: Will the planets have some manufacturing and research possibilities that are currently done on stations? Torfi: They won't have the same, no. We are not going to be competing with the industry, research and manufacturing on the stations. And they're not going to be competing with mining. We are not replacing any of these game systems. They will be a separate ecosystem, so to speak." ...told you so. _ Beginner's ISK making guide \| Manufacturer's helper \| All about reacting _
Letrange Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:11:00 - [4] Originally by: Akita T "TTH: Will the planets have some manufacturing and research possibilities that are currently done on stations? Torfi: They won't have the same, no. We are not going to be competing with the industry, research and manufacturing on the stations. And they're not going to be competing with mining. We are not replacing any of these game systems. They will be a separate ecosystem, so to speak." ...told you so. Actually that one didn't surprise me at all. The wormhole one did though, I was convinced they were making this a k-space only feature. Glad I was proven wrong on that one.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:20:00 - [5] NPC goods was really a logical choice and one of the "last bastion" of items consumed by the general population.. There is one thing left after commodities... POS's and Station components.. Both of which can be turned into BPOs at any time. But the Commodities required something else, something new, Planets was really the only logical choice. The wormholes thing is VERY VERY Attractive... That was part of the reason why our corp moved out of one, when you're rocking 3 Large towers in a Wormhole logistics of POS consumer goods becomes tricky.. Amarr for Life
Letrange Minmatar Chaosstorm Corporation Apoapsis Multiversal Consortium	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:24:00 - [6] yes, mind you we will still be missing the ice part of the equation but it's still VERY VERY interesting.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:33:00 - [7] Originally by: Letrange yes, mind you we will still be missing the ice part of the equation but it's still VERY VERY interesting. Well.... wwweeelllll.... I'll speculate even more. In the fan fest videos, they talked about "Comets" in which you have to scan down, and scoop up their ejectulant. We all know Comets are just big rocks of gas frozen. So it's not a stretch to believe CCP plan on removing ICE belts, and replacing them with comets. There is no reason why there wouldn't be Comets in k-space. Amarr for Life
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.03.04 21:50:00 - [8] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Letrange yes, mind you we will still be missing the ice part of the equation but it's still VERY VERY interesting. Well.... wwweeelllll.... I'll speculate even more. In the fan fest videos, they talked about "Comets" in which you have to scan down, and scoop up their ejectulant. You seem to know a bit about this process, would you like to describe ejaculant scooping (in small words) for the masses?
Jagga Spikes Minmatar Tribal Liberation Force	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:25:00 - [9] Originally by: SencneS Originally by: Letrange yes, mind you we will still be missing the ice part of the equation but it's still VERY VERY interesting. Well.... wwweeelllll.... I'll speculate even more. In the fan fest videos, they talked about "Comets" in which you have to scan down, and scoop up their ejectulant. We all know Comets are just big rocks of gas frozen. So it's not a stretch to believe CCP plan on removing ICE belts, and replacing them with comets. There is no reason why there wouldn't be Comets in k-space. considering there are ice PLANETS why would we have to bother with searching comets? tho, comets could replace gas clouds, which make little sense anyway. ________________________________ : Forum Bore 'Em : Foamy The Squirrel
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:37:00 - [10] Originally by: Companion Trollin You seem to know a bit about this process, would you like to describe ejaculant scooping (in small words) for the masses? I'm very disappointed in this childish behaviour. tsk tsk
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:41:00 - [11] Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Companion Trollin You seem to know a bit about this process, would you like to describe ejaculant scooping (in small words) for the masses? I'm very disappointed in this childish behaviour. tsk tsk You really ought to join Lecherito in getting your sense of humor fixed.
SetrakDark DarkCorp Holdings	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:46:00 - [12] Can we please have a serious discussion about SecneS's ejaculant? Cmon, let's act mature here people.
Tulisin Dragonflame	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:50:00 - [13] Only the mysterious plasma planets will be able to manufacture Quafe Ultra!
Companion Trollin You are going too fast	Posted - 2010.03.04 22:54:00 - [14] Originally by: SetrakDark Can we please have a serious discussion about SecneS's ejaculant? Cmon, let's act mature here people. Now THAT is more like it.
Mahke Aeon Of Strife Discord.	Posted - 2010.03.04 23:05:00 - [15] Edited by: Mahke on 04/03/2010 23:07:50 I am wrong and disappoint . partially bought back in tech at a profit from where I panic-sold at and am starting to research NPC goods.
SencneS Rebellion Against Big Irreversible Dinks	Posted - 2010.03.04 23:39:00 - [16] Originally by: Jagga Spikes Considering there are ice PLANETS why would we have to bother with searching comets? tho, comets could replace gas clouds, which make little sense anyway. Ejaculate aside, in the FF video, it was used in conjunction with "making it more difficult for macros to work..." Mining a Moon for ICE would make it just as easy for Macros.. Watch here... In fact they even mention "Make it more interesting in W-Space" so as an alternate to ICE, oh yeah very predictable. Amarr for Life
Lecherito	Posted - 2010.03.05 00:30:00 - [17] Originally by: Companion Trollin Originally by: SetrakDark Originally by: Companion Trollin You seem to know a bit about this process, would you like to describe ejaculant scooping (in small words) for the masses? I'm very disappointed in this childish behaviour. tsk tsk You really ought to join Lecherito in getting your sense of humor fixed. Says the one called troll. -L
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.03.05 01:10:00 - [18] This looks to be an interesting expansion, particularly for those of us with established 0.0 or w-space logistics. Can't wait for this to hit sisi so I can see what exactly is involved.
Varesk Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:19:00 - [19] Maybe, just maybe, the price of Nanite Paste will drop. \o/
Mire Stoude The Undesirables	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:39:00 - [20] Originally by: Varesk Maybe, just maybe, the price of Nanite Paste will drop. \o/ or increase dramatically...
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:45:00 - [21] Originally by: Akita T [stuff] how come you have missed that it will replace a ISK sink ? Fact is, that the NPC goods are until now a ISK sink and if it will be replaced by player produced goods it will be gone...
Frenden Dax Dax Acquisitions	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:50:00 - [22] Originally by: destinationunreachable Originally by: Akita T [stuff] how come you have missed that it will replace a ISK sink ? Fact is, that the NPC goods are until now a ISK sink and if it will be replaced by player produced goods it will be gone... Who says that there won't be isk sinks involved in planetary interaction?
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2010.03.05 07:53:00 - [23] Originally by: Frenden Dax Who says that there won't be isk sinks involved in planetary interaction? There wil be new ones (I assume the structures need to be bought from NPC just like the usual ones), but the question is, is it higher, lower, same... will CCP get in right ?
Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.05 08:12:00 - [24] Quote: how come you have missed that it will replace a ISK sink ? Fact is, that the NPC goods are until now a ISK sink and if it will be replaced by player produced goods it will be gone... I'll throw out something out of my ass: Think about relativity: the console game could have its own economy and products which EvE players would pay. But if they make it so that the money gained by Dust players is in another circuit than EvE's money, we effectively create a market driven economy for Dust that will appear "like" a NPC economy for EvE. At this point, Dust will require its own trade goods to enforce an above N critical value for those items, to limit the prevedible commistion between sellers in Dust and buyers in EvE. - Auditing and consulting Before asking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h and http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Kazuo Ishiguro House of Marbles	Posted - 2010.03.05 08:38:00 - [25] Originally by: SencneS NPC goods was really a logical choice and one of the "last bastion" of items consumed by the general population.. There is one thing left after commodities... POS's and Station components.. Both of which can be turned into BPOs at any time. But the Commodities required something else, something new, Planets was really the only logical choice. This would be a good time to look at implementing a POS fuel pellet system to replace the current mix of goods. --- 34.4:1 mineral compression
Varesk Gallente Solarflare Heavy Industries Blade.	Posted - 2010.03.05 08:46:00 - [26] Originally by: Mire Stoude Originally by: Varesk Maybe, just maybe, the price of Nanite Paste will drop. \o/ or increase dramatically... please dont destroy my dreams of cheap paste.
destinationunreachable Hello Kitty Fanclub	Posted - 2010.03.05 10:46:00 - [27] Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha Think about relativity: the console game could have its own economy and products which EvE players would pay. But if they make it so that the money gained by Dust players is in another circuit than EvE's money, we effectively create a market driven economy for Dust that will appear "like" a NPC economy for EvE. At this point, Dust will require its own trade goods to enforce an above N critical value for those items, to limit the prevedible commistion between sellers in Dust and buyers in EvE. Well, whatever the dust players need, it is - as of now - nonexistant NPC goods, so it doesn't replace anything. ;-) There is more to NPC goods than pos fuel. In the interview he was asked about skillbooks as an example... /me wonders how much of an ISK sink (in billions/day or compared to insurance payments and taxes.) Skillbooks + potentially BPOs are... On the other hand, I believe, that stuff like pos fuel would obviously be a good candidate for a start (they mentioned "But we are probably not going to change all that overnight.")... When even structures (I mean all, like sov and pos etc..) are removed from NPC goods, will we face a tax raise ?
Sturmwolke	Posted - 2010.03.05 12:08:00 - [28] Sounds like a perfect excuse to add more Charisma based skills
Chaos Incarnate Faceless Logistics	Posted - 2010.03.05 13:05:00 - [29] Originally by: destinationunreachable Originally by: Akita T [stuff] how come you have missed that it will replace a ISK sink ? Fact is, that the NPC goods are until now a ISK sink and if it will be replaced by player produced goods it will be gone... apart from their uses in t2 production and POS fuel, i think most NPC goods were only useful as things to transport and sell back to NPCs; all in all, i would say that at best it's debatable if NPC goods have acted as a sink or source over the history of EVE. as for NPC goods being producible, it makes sense. NPC goods will probably be required just to maintain populations/colonists/whathaveyou at least, and having all the maintenance goods being magicked into being by NPC sell orders would make for a pretty boring economy _____________________ Horrors! Demons in the deep!
My Postman	Posted - 2010.03.05 13:20:00 - [30] Ok, meaning that player makes money from planetary "whateverdoing", and as long as no other player buys this "whatsoever", money is ejected into the system. Removing NPC goods (i.e. ISK-sink) and replacing it with this "whatsoever", means that we remove an isk-sink, meaning there is even more iskies in the system. Even if these "whatsoever" would be for DUST players to buy makes no difference as DUSK-Iskies are no EVE-Iskies. ASSUMING this will we get "inflation ten ton hammerd"? Don¦t think so, there must be something left to remove iskies from the system.... But i¦ve seen Akita is right there so....

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