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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.17 00:42:00 -
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 Originally by: Zill
I wasn't going to reply to your silly little jibe, but I couldn't stop laughing at your almost...fanatical ?? belief in the fact you think a computer game is achieving anything in life.....
It's true,I do think your a muppit, but I have t admit that was actually really funny. For that alone I gotta thank you for giving me a laugh today.
Unfortunately for you sonshine, eve is not reality. It's a little more difficult in real life, but hey, once you grow up a bit I'm sure you'll get there.
Not mad IRL at all.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:43:00 -
[62]
lol thank you for your concern over my health, it's gratefully accepted.
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FunzzeR
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.17 01:56:00 -
[63]
Originally by: Gladys Pank
Originally by: Zill
I wasn't going to reply to your silly little jibe, but I couldn't stop laughing at your almost...fanatical ?? belief in the fact you think a computer game is achieving anything in life.....
It's true,I do think your a muppit, but I have t admit that was actually really funny. For that alone I gotta thank you for giving me a laugh today.
Unfortunately for you sonshine, eve is not reality. It's a little more difficult in real life, but hey, once you grow up a bit I'm sure you'll get there.
Not mad IRL at all.
Has he wished some terrible and disfiguring disease on us yet? (Ingame of course)
PRAISE THE SCOTTISH FOLD!!
THEIR WILL SHALL BE DONE!! |
Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:15:00 -
[64]
Edited by: Abulurd Boniface on 17/06/2010 06:18:34
Originally by: Zill
but I couldn't stop laughing at your almost...fanatical ?? belief in the fact you think a computer game is achieving anything in life.....
I beg to differ. The game America's Army is designed to give young Americans an idea of the skill set required and the mindset to do well in the Armed forces. The core business of the American armed forces is to kill people all over the planet. They're quite serious about it. They use a video game as a vector for guiding a young mind on the way to becoming a team player who internalizes the characteristics of how a soldier should behave. That doesn't sound like a computer game "not achieving anything in life" to me. If it didn't help them achieve that goal they wouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Specifically the kind of game that induces an enhanced emotional involvement by spending a lot of time in a persistent coherent narrative is something that guides a mind to different thinking.
EVE very much is part of a reflection of the real world, if only because it is morally ambiguous, just as the real world is. I've become a graduate of the NBSAAA myself [the Niko Bellic School of Applied Automotive Assertivity]. It's not that I like careening into people and objects [very much against it], but it has shown me there are very many ways of leaning on the rules that make life a tad easier [and also, to get the damn show on the road already when people take the car for a walk]. But that's just a cheesy, tongue-in-cheek personal experience.
America's Army is not a toy. Video games can have a much deeper connection to the real world than mere Pacman.
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It's a little more difficult in real life
This is entirely dependent on personal perspective. For many people life is the eternal drudgery on the way to the last clone. It doesn't have to be. Life is what you make it [a cliche for a reason]. It's all a matter of perspective. There are people whose world collapses because they didn't get their birthday Lexus on the day proper [or it was the wrong color], there are people who have no arms who go "I'm flying that damn plane anyway". "Life sucks" is a personal choice. I've seen people get their battleship blown up and rage quit. That's what their life is like in the real world too.
For good to survive it suffices for evil to acquire a deadly, incapacitating disease. |
Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.06.17 06:22:00 -
[65]
It's different with games though. No one plays a game to be frustrated: they play it to relax and succeed. That's why they don't take defeat well or like it: why is it fun to get suicide ganked or lose your ship with little to no way to control it?
A game is optional, too. No one wants to pay 15 bucks a month to feel that they suck.
Oh, and I agree on the vacation. Best thing to do if they make a game out of killing you is to not play.
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The Crushah
Gallente
Death of Virtue
MeatSausage EXPRESS
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:16:00 -
[66]
Nope, still not reading any of that.
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Abulurd Boniface
Gallente
0ccam's Razor Industries
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:34:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Ori Blake
Oh, and I agree on the vacation. Best thing to do if they make a game out of killing you is to not play.
I am not advocating not to play. After all, you don't pay not to play. There are however plenty of other things to do in EVE that don't involve flying a Hulk.
A fun and cheap thing to do would be to visit all the systems [non-whiskey space]. The nav provides an overview of all the systems you've been to and how many times you've been there. Venturing out into the far reaches of space to acquire an appreciation of the size of EVE, that's something on my to-do list.
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Brusanan
Beware of Carp
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 07:34:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Brusanan on 17/06/2010 07:34:48
Originally by: Ori Blake
It's different with games though. No one plays a game to be frustrated: they play it to relax and succeed. That's why they don't take defeat well or like it: why is it fun to get suicide ganked or lose your ship with little to no way to control it?
First of all, everyone has different reasons for playing the game. I definitely don't play Eve to relax. And I feel like I succeed in the game every time I see a helpless carebear explode.
And Hulkageddon is supposed to be fun for the gankers, not the gankees.
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Helicity Boson
Amarr
The Python Cartel.
The Jerk Cartel
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:23:00 -
[69]
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 17/06/2010 09:23:40
Originally by: Brusanan
And Hulkageddon is supposed to be fun for the gankers, not the gankees.
I said it last time.
I will say it again.
They can grow a pair, get some friends, and try to stop us.
Theres no reason the bears can't have fun with this, it doesnt take 20 million SP to fit some warp disruptors and sensor boosters and to tackle gankers as they jump into highsec you know?
This defeatist, victim attitude is incredibly common in carebears, and it is something which inherently limits how much enjoyment you can have in this amazing game.
It's not me (or us) that does this to you my dear bears, you do.
food for thought I hope.
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SunGod RA
Endless Destruction
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Posted - 2010.06.17 09:45:00 -
[70]
YOUR A MUPPIT!!! |
Kaarlan Zhar
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Posted - 2010.06.17 12:35:00 -
[71]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 17/06/2010 09:25:57
I said it last time.
I will say it again.
They can grow a pair, get some friends, and try to stop us.
Theres no reason the bears can't have fun with this, it doesnt take 20 million SP to fit some warp disruptors and sensor boosters and to tackle gankers as they jump into highsec you know?
This defeatist, victim attitude is incredibly common in carebears, and it is something which inherently limits how much enjoyment you can have in this amazing game.
It's not me (or us) that does this to you my dear bears, you do.
food for thought I hope. Victim is a state of mind.
See guys, it's just for your own good! Not to make a sad bully feel good about themself at all! Lol.
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Stuart Price
Caldari
The Black Rabbits
The Gurlstas Associates
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Posted - 2010.06.17 19:12:00 -
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Pre-event tears. Nice.
Ultimately though, for those of you complaining about Hulkageddon, if you can't be bothered to defend yourselves you have only yourselves to blame if you get ganked. We want to kill mining ships and we're prepared to take our fleets of cheap t1 destroyers into high-sec to do it. We don't need to use bigger ships or cleverer tactics because our targets are stupid and predictable. Those of us who do anyway, well, that's just because we can.
If the only response is to complain and whine then we'll just carry on. You'll have to actually being clever if you want to avoid being killed or even, *shock*, turn the tables on your would be assassins.
"If you aren't prepared to fight for what you believe in, you leave the world in the hands of those who are"
THAT'S why this game belongs to the 'gankers and bullies'.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:10:00 -
[73]
Originally by: Helicity Boson
Edited by: Helicity Boson on 17/06/2010 09:25:57
Originally by: Ori Blake
It's different with games though. No one plays a game to be frustrated: they play it to relax and succeed. That's why they don't take defeat well or like it: why is it fun to get suicide ganked or lose your ship with little to no way to control it?
A game is optional, too. No one wants to pay 15 bucks a month to feel that they suck.
Oh, and I agree on the vacation. Best thing to do if they make a game out of killing you is to not play.
I said it last time.
I will say it again.
They can grow a pair, get some friends, and try to stop us.
Theres no reason the bears can't have fun with this, it doesnt take 20 million SP to fit some warp disruptors and sensor boosters and to tackle gankers as they jump into highsec you know?
This defeatist, victim attitude is incredibly common in carebears, and it is something which inherently limits how much enjoyment you can have in this amazing game.
It's not me (or us) that does this to you my dear bears, you do.
food for thought I hope. Victim is a state of mind.
Uh, if they tackle pre-emptive gankers they get concorded. That's why you are doing Hulkageddon, because suicide ganking cant be pre-emptively stopped im empire. I'm not seeing you going out and trying to gank the White Rabbits or anything.
You can't even wardec potential gankers because part of using the contest is to ensure so many corps and players participate that a wardec can't paralyze them. This isn't even counting NPC corp alts. Not to mention you target the least likely to be able to wardec, small hi-sec miners corps, soloists, and afk macro-miners (though macros deserve what they get.)
When I pvp, there are times to run and not make yourself a target, because the engagement is structured against you. It's not being a victim to refuse to play by another person's rules, and to know when engagements don't favor one course of action.
What I said by not playing was this: don't play by other's rules and give them what they want if you can help it. I agree with the OP, take a vacation from mining. Come join Factional Warfare or Red Vs Blue, or start exploring in disposable ships, maybe run missions, or just hang out and chat.
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Nemain Darru
Gallente
The Python Cartel.
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:26:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Ori Blake
Uh, if they tackle pre-emptive gankers they get concorded. That's why you are doing Hulkageddon, because suicide ganking cant be pre-emptively stopped im empire. I'm not seeing you going out and trying to gank the White Rabbits or anything.
Learn2tackleoutlaws
you're dumb. and a victim.
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Ori Blake
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Posted - 2010.06.17 20:49:00 -
[75]
Edited by: Ori Blake on 17/06/2010 20:50:24
Originally by: Nemain Darru
Originally by: Ori Blake
Uh, if they tackle pre-emptive gankers they get concorded. That's why you are doing Hulkageddon, because suicide ganking cant be pre-emptively stopped im empire. I'm not seeing you going out and trying to gank the White Rabbits or anything.
Learn2tackleoutlaws
you're dumb. and a victim.
yeah, because outlaws don't use alts or fix their sec status for this, and they enter hi sec. right. You know they aren't going to go outlaw for this but recycle alts like they usually do.
Anyways, carebears who think alphaing mining barges is pvp need to STFU about victims. I may be noob but I fight stuff that fights back, and I don't abuse mechanics to do so. Should call this event Carebearageddon FFS.
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Medea Darklighter
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Posted - 2010.06.17 21:02:00 -
[76]
Is it just me or is the gallente and caldari achivements switched around on the website? (Compared to the amarr/minnie)?
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Ekon Bor
Amarr
Van Diemen's Demise
Chaos Theory Alliance
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Posted - 2010.06.17 22:07:00 -
[77]
Originally by: Ori Blake
..Anyways, carebears who think alphaing mining barges is pvp need to STFU about victims. I may be noob but I fight stuff that fights back, and I don't abuse mechanics to do so. Should call this event Carebearageddon FFS.
They aren't mutually exclusive you know. Many people (most?) who participate in Hulkageddon also do proper pvp, be it piracy, faction, sov wars or whatever. Personally I just enjoy it because it's a fun diversion. It's not (unless you are trying for one of the more esoteric awards) particularly challenging, but it passes the time.
I don't think many of the participants would seriously consider it PvP though, in anything but the most literal sense... it's just enjoyable in a different way, that's all.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.18 00:03:00 -
[78]
Edited by: Zill on 18/06/2010 00:03:31
Edited by: Zill on 18/06/2010 00:03:05
I used to gank/grief an generally **** on peoples playtime in eve an other games, an one day I just woke up to the fact, that is is infantile behavior an beneath me. They will too one day but it takes time. It's human nature to be "tough" when there is no risk an online obnoxious teens are no different.
hellokitty just wants to be noticed an talked about, I get that an I understand he thinks he's funny with this obnoxious arrogant teenage behavior he put's out. He cant help it at his age an for that alone I don't really find him annoying so much as .....feel sorry for him.We were all that way at one point lol
PvE'ers are hamstrung in eve because CCP want the gankers to have it their way, as you can see by the tailor-made insurance system that allows them to do it.
If CCP had any balls at all they would remove the locks on NPC corps an let us kill gankers, but they wont.
Good reason non of these lads go to 0.0 ot kill hulks, is because there, there's risk an they will probably die far more often.
One way you can get your own back an use the system as they do, is to have a mate hang about in a t1 frig an Pod them after concord kills em. Yes you will take a large sec hit, but it is easy to work off with help from friends.
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jokerb
Caldari
Windowlickers Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.18 00:27:00 -
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It is really very simple. The only safe place is to be docked. Stay docked, or seriously just deal. It is internet space pixels. Some people choose to ship spin, some mine, some run missions, some WH, some 0.0, and others like to shoot all of the above. This is EVE it is a sand box. Just because you like building castles does not mean that I should not kick them in... 
That all said if you see me in local dock up if you are in an exhumer of any type, fair warning.
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Blatantly Obvious
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:30:00 -
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If this is a troll it worked on me. :)
Could someone post up a walkthrough on how to gank the miners from scratch? i.e. fittings, skills, and what you should target with said skills and fittings. This might be fun. :)
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:35:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Zill
Edited by: Zill on 18/06/2010 00:03:31
Edited by: Zill on 18/06/2010 00:03:05
I used to gank/grief an generally **** on peoples playtime in eve an other games, now I just cry and make trolling generalisations on the forums.
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:42:00 -
[82]
wow how creative of you, to try an change my posts.... did you think of this on your liddwe ownsome?
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:42:00 -
[83]
Originally by: Zill
I am pathetic
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bellaren
Caldari
Maximatics Inc
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:44:00 -
[84]
Originally by: Zill
werds
It's easier to pretend you're not a troll alt when you don't call Helicity laughable names.
Since you seem to be going after the despicable teenager route, calling her one of the cutest(imo) creatures on the webz works against you.
Also when your trying to be a good troll, which we all know you are capable of, you shouldn't be so obviously hypocritical. You admit that you used to act like an abused teenager and yet one day grew out of it, and yet you don't seem to want "hellokitty" to. You're just quick to judge for something you used to do. Plot holes really are ruining it for you this time Zill and I hope that you do better and go back to the HG:II level of skill that I respect you for.
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SHH I'm pretending to be a girl, don't tell anyone.
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.18 01:48:00 -
[85]
Plus you baww about Helicity arranging this event yet commend and lament the passing of Goons Jihadswarm period. This obviously isn't a personal vendetta against Helicity
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Zill
The Scope
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Posted - 2010.06.18 02:21:00 -
[86]
Originally by: bellaren
Edited by: bellaren on 18/06/2010 01:53:41
Originally by: Zill
werds
It's easier to pretend you're not a troll alt when you don't call Helicity laughable names.
Since you seem to be going after the despicable teenager route, calling her one of the cutest(imo) characters on the webz works against you.
Also when your trying to be a good troll, which we all know you are capable of, you shouldn't be so obviously hypocritical. You admit that you used to act like an abused teenager(in various games) and yet one day grew out of it, and yet you don't seem to want "hellokitty" to. You're just quick to judge for something you used to do. Plot holes really are ruining it for you this time Zill and I hope that you do better and go back to the HG:II level of skill that I respect you for.
edit-word choice and clarification
"snickers" I guess I'm busted....sigh was fun while it lasted 
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Kievan Ariskana
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.18 05:20:00 -
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And there goes yet again some valuable time mining ice to keep my towers online because some real pvp-ers can only target non-pvp ships.
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Ehnea Mehk
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Posted - 2010.06.18 07:42:00 -
[88]
Edited by: Ehnea Mehk on 18/06/2010 07:42:59
I've been reading with interest this Hulkageddon event in both the forums and in the Help chat. I cannot believe people actually take delight and sport out of bullying other people who enjoy playing an aspect of the game that is nonviolent.
Worse, reading what you have to do for prizes reminds me of an event involving my godson that happened 3 years ago. There was a contest in a school which involved earning prizes based on what you did to a kid who was considered a nerd, the acts ranging from egging, theft of personal property, damage to lockers up to being beaten up. My godson, afer being surrounded by a bunch of thugs during this contest, had his middle finger dislocated in order for someone to earn a prize. All because he was classified a nerd, he was the target for earning a prize, and someone thought it would be really fun to do that to him.
Before you all start getting upset about comparing an actual real life incident to a game festival, consider this:
This isn't about invoking your right to engage in one-on-one PvP or even for the sake of pirating. This is no test of combat skills or genius of who built the best bad-ass weapon of mass-destruction. This is a deliberate targeting of players who pay a subscription (from their hard-earned dollars they earn working at a job) just for the sheer delight of, to use the words of some pro-Hulkageddon fans, "make carebears cry". It's no different than what was done during this school contest.
People are telling me, a miner, who enjoys EVE Online for the sake of making ISK, refining and manufacturing, to simply stay docked during this foolish event, don't bother logging on. Take a vacation.
My response to that: to blazes with you. I enjoy mining. Refining. Making ISK. Being "a carebear", if you will. It's my right to do what I please within the guidelines of the EULA with the subscription I paid for.
I won't be told what to do. I made private contracts and I promised people they will get their ore. No matter what a bunch of bullies say.
Having said this, I'm not dumb or stupid. I'm not going to bring out assets that are clearly going to be at risk during this event. Insurance and clones only go so far. But my corporation, small that it is, will still mine. We'll fly probes, bursts, slashers, anything that can fit a miner laser and carry expanded cargo holds. We are going to feast on ore during Hulkageddon.
We are not going to be made ashamed or frightened for what we enjoy doing on EVE.
And I ask all miners who feel the same way I do to say, "Screw Hulkageddon, we're mining".
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Gladys Pank
Amarr
Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:14:00 -
[89]
Originally by: Kievan Ariskana
And there goes yet again some valuable time mining ice to keep my towers online because some real pvp-ers can only target non-pvp ships.
Anyone claiming it's about real pvp is an idiot. Stockpile some ice products asap if you are actually concerned about your towers.
This whiner lacks the ability to adapt, you will not do well.
Originally by: Ehnea Mehk
This isn't about invoking your right to engage in one-on-one PvP or even for the sake of pirating. This is no test of combat skills or genius of who built the best bad-ass weapon of mass-destruction. This is a deliberate targeting of players who pay a subscription (from their hard-earned dollars they earn working at a job) just for the sheer delight of, to use the words of some pro-Hulkageddon fans, "make carebears cry". It's no different than what was done during this school contest.
It's about blowing up expensive ships and having a bit of fun doing something OTHER than day to day PVP. No individuals are targeted and TBH suck it up Eve is a dangerous universe and you should accept that whenever you choose to use your hard-earned dollars to continue to subscribe to the privilege of joining in. There's plenty of other games that offer a softer approach if you don't like the danger element (no I don't want to say go back to wow).
As for the rest of your comment; you show an ability to adapt, you will do well I am sure. One thing, I would have thought coercers could be insured to a decent enough degree to make them more profitable to use than mining frigs?
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Ehnea Mehk
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.06.18 09:43:00 -
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quote=Gladys Pank] Originally by: Kievan Ariskana
And there goes yet again some valuable time mining ice to keep my towers online because some real pvp-ers can only target non-pvp ships.
Anyone claiming it's about real pvp is an idiot. Stockpile some ice products asap if you are actually concerned about your towers.
This whiner lacks the ability to adapt, you will not do well.
Originally by: Ehnea Mehk
This isn't about invoking your right to engage in one-on-one PvP or even for the sake of pirating. This is no test of combat skills or genius of who built the best bad-ass weapon of mass-destruction. This is a deliberate targeting of players who pay a subscription (from their hard-earned dollars they earn working at a job) just for the sheer delight of, to use the words of some pro-Hulkageddon fans, "make carebears cry". It's no different than what was done during this school contest.
It's about blowing up expensive ships and having a bit of fun doing something OTHER than day to day PVP. No individuals are targeted and TBH suck it up Eve is a dangerous universe and you should accept that whenever you choose to use your hard-earned dollars to continue to subscribe to the privilege of joining in. There's plenty of other games that offer a softer approach if you don't like the danger element (no I don't want to say go back to wow).
As for the rest of your comment; you show an ability to adapt, you will do well I am sure. One thing, I would have thought coercers could be insured to a decent enough degree to make them more profitable to use than mining frigs?
Gladys, help me out here: if it is about blowing up expensive ships, why not simply do that with expensive warships going head to head in PvP? Better still, why not blow up your own Hulks and other mining ships instead of targeting people who do not want to fight, have invested a considerable amount of time and ISK in getting the skill books to operate these ships? I'm sorry, but I think Kievan nailed it: you guys are doing this because you know you can defeat a player that is incapable of defending himself and deriving pleasure from making him upset at losing something he did not want risk losing. I believe that is called being a bully. Sorry, you can call me more names if you want (it kinda fits in the bullying theme) but that is the way I feel.
If Eve is this dangerous universe like you say, and we should be prepared for combat wherever we warp, why is there CONCORD? Why is there 1.0 space where even NPC Rats fear to tread? Maybe because the devs felt there are going to be people who do not PvP? I mean, fine, if you really want EVE to be the hardcore game you say it is, petition the devs to abolish CONCORD and to erase the concept of security level space. Make it one big happy 0.0 for everyone to fight over. I'd actually accept that, not renew my sub, and go to the games you described above. But Kievan has brought up a lot of good points about players being a bit thuggish, and they do deserve some thought in comparison to what the EULA is supposed to stand for.
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