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Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.18 09:49:00 - [91] Edited by: Helicity Boson on 18/06/2010 09:50:50 Originally by: Ehnea Mehk This is no test of combat skills or genius of who built the best bad-ass weapon of mass-destruction. I would contest that statement by saying I have built the most bad-ass weapon of empire hulk destruction known to man. And you do not need combat skills to win a war, personal charisma goes a long way. EDIT: also stop crying about devs and petitions, there is a Dev post in the main hulkageddon thread showing their support. Get over yourself.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:03:00 - [92] Originally by: Ehnea Mehk Gladys, help me out here: if it is about blowing up expensive ships, why not simply do that with expensive warships going head to head in PvP? Better still, why not blow up your own Hulks and other mining ships instead of targeting people who do not want to fight, have invested a considerable amount of time and ISK in getting the skill books to operate these ships? I'm sorry, but I think Kievan nailed it: you guys are doing this because you know you can defeat a player that is incapable of defending himself and deriving pleasure from making him upset at losing something he did not want risk losing. I believe that is called being a bully. Sorry, you can call me more names if you want (it kinda fits in the bullying theme) but that is the way I feel. If Eve is this dangerous universe like you say, and we should be prepared for combat wherever we warp, why is there CONCORD? Why is there 1.0 space where even NPC Rats fear to tread? Maybe because the devs felt there are going to be people who do not PvP? I mean, fine, if you really want EVE to be the hardcore game you say it is, petition the devs to abolish CONCORD and to erase the concept of security level space. Make it one big happy 0.0 for everyone to fight over. I'd actually accept that, not renew my sub, and go to the games you described above. But Kievan has brought up a lot of good points about players being a bit thuggish, and they do deserve some thought in comparison to what the EULA is supposed to stand for. What most people fail to realise is there are generally two types of participants at an event like Hulkageddon; those who normally pvp 'properly' and those that just want an easy target. Not everyone taking part is averse to pvp. Out of anyone joining in, I honestly doubt their is a belief that this is 'good', 'clever' or 'honourable' PVP. Blowing up my own hulks sounds expensive to me, plus I can't fly them, that's a bit of a silly think to ask. "you guys are doing this because you know you can defeat a player that is incapable of defending himself", that's Hulkageddon for you, an event where hulks-are-destroyed. Yes, some people do it just to grief, others are just having a bit of fun, defying CONCORD is enough entertainment in itself. CONCORD is there to punish criminals in high sec... It's been said a billion times 1.0 is safer space NOT safe space. CONCORD do a lot to stop indiscriminate killing, but they are not there to provide immunity. Why would I petition to remove CONCORD? They are there for a very good reason. I won't speak for everyone since their are clearly going to be people here purely to grief but you have to understand, not everyone is partaking just to make individuals cry. The perception that everyone endorsing this event is a real life bully is hilarious. I don't want to end on a patronising note but I really think some people place treat their internet spaceships too preciously.
Sol Mahon Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:11:00 - [93] I can't help but wonder if the time spent on Hulkageddon could be better spent doing something more fun. I can think of a few more fun things to do than attack people either unwilling or unable to defend themselves. So if I am having equal to or more fun than you whilst ensuring the general fun levels of the people I play with or against remain high, am I better at EVE than, lets say, someone who relies on immaginary "tears" to have fun? just a thought.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:18:00 - [94] Originally by: Sol Mahon I can't help but wonder if the time spent on Hulkageddon could be better spent doing something more fun. I can think of a few more fun things to do than attack people either unwilling or unable to defend themselves. So if I am having equal to or more fun than you whilst ensuring the general fun levels of the people I play with or against remain high, am I better at EVE than, lets say, someone who relies on immaginary "tears" to have fun? just a thought. Fun is a subjective term. Things you find fun, others may find completely tedious and stupid, and vice versa. But therein lies the beauty of the sandbox game design. You make your own fun. I just think that many people fail to realize that all forms of play within the rules set by CCP are equally valid, I don't begrudge the industrialist or the trader their "fun", even though it's inconceivable to me how such activities are entertaining. Just a thought.
Ehnea Mehk Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:20:00 - [95] [ Originally by: Helicity Boson Edited by: Helicity Boson on 18/06/2010 09:50:50 Originally by: Ehnea Mehk This is no test of combat skills or genius of who built the best bad-ass weapon of mass-destruction. I would contest that statement by saying I have built the most bad-ass weapon of empire hulk destruction known to man. And you do not need combat skills to win a war, personal charisma goes a long way. EDIT: also stop crying about devs and petitions, there is a Dev post in the main hulkageddon thread showing their support. Get over yourself. I don't recall saying I was going to fill out a petition to complain to the devs about Hulkageddon. Perhaps your enthusiasm and zeal for this thugfest prevented you from reading the full post I made? In any case, I feel I made my points clear regarding this subject and I did not have to resort to personal jibes to get it across unlike some people. For what its worth, I have no intention of apologizing for the way I play the game or my views on this subject. I feel no need to push it any further. Good luck with your "fun event" Ehnea Mehk
Ehnea Mehk Minmatar	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:25:00 - [96] Originally by: Gladys Pank Edited by: Gladys Pank on 18/06/2010 10:09:28 Originally by: Ehnea Mehk Gladys, help me out here: if it is about blowing up expensive ships, why not simply do that with expensive warships going head to head in PvP? Better still, why not blow up your own Hulks and other mining ships instead of targeting people who do not want to fight, have invested a considerable amount of time and ISK in getting the skill books to operate these ships? I'm sorry, but I think Kievan nailed it: you guys are doing this because you know you can defeat a player that is incapable of defending himself and deriving pleasure from making him upset at losing something he did not want risk losing. I believe that is called being a bully. Sorry, you can call me more names if you want (it kinda fits in the bullying theme) but that is the way I feel. If Eve is this dangerous universe like you say, and we should be prepared for combat wherever we warp, why is there CONCORD? Why is there 1.0 space where even NPC Rats fear to tread? Maybe because the devs felt there are going to be people who do not PvP? I mean, fine, if you really want EVE to be the hardcore game you say it is, petition the devs to abolish CONCORD and to erase the concept of security level space. Make it one big happy 0.0 for everyone to fight over. I'd actually accept that, not renew my sub, and go to the games you described above. But Kievan has brought up a lot of good points about players being a bit thuggish, and they do deserve some thought in comparison to what the EULA is supposed to stand for. What most people fail to realise is there are generally two types of participants at an event like Hulkageddon; those who normally pvp 'properly' and those that just want an easy target. Not everyone taking part is averse to pvp. Out of anyone joining in, I honestly doubt their is a belief that this is 'good', 'clever' or 'honourable' PVP. Blowing up my own hulks sounds expensive to me, plus I can't fly them, that's a bit of a silly think to ask. "you guys are doing this because you know you can defeat a player that is incapable of defending himself", that's Hulkageddon for you, an event where hulks-are-destroyed. Yes, some people do it just to grief, others are just having a bit of fun, defying CONCORD is enough entertainment in itself. (edit) Last I saw, Hulks can easily get a 25k ehp buffer tank, can field drones, and anyone getting outright ganked can use their kill rights at a later date. CONCORD is there to punish criminals in high sec... It's been said a billion times 1.0 is safer space NOT safe space. CONCORD do a lot to stop indiscriminate killing, but they are not there to provide immunity. Why would I petition to remove CONCORD? They are there for a very good reason. I won't speak for everyone since their are clearly going to be people here purely to grief but you have to understand, not everyone is partaking just to make individuals cry. The perception that everyone endorsing this event is a real life bully is hilarious. I don't want to end on a patronising note but I really think some people place treat their internet spaceships too preciously. A hulk is a tool for extracting ore from asteroids, in a videogame. Ah and the snide asides begin, right on schedule. I will end this on a friendly note: I do hope whatever you get out of this "festival" helps you feel better about yourself. Enjoy! Ehnea Mehk
Sol Mahon Caldari Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.06.18 10:26:00 - [97] Edited by: Sol Mahon on 18/06/2010 10:32:17 Originally by: Helicity Boson You make your own fun. That is true, I must just be better at it than you Originally by: Helicity Boson Just a thought. Also thats not a thought, it's an opinion Edit: My quotes failed
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.06.18 11:35:00 - [98] Originally by: Spectre3353 dumb Actually, it was fairly amusing. But I guess you are too full of yourself? :) Tbh, I never got why miners (not macros) just put down thir barges for the hulkageddons, but who am I to judge? It gives me more gank targets after all, maybe this year I will go all out and get to the top instead of being lazy. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.18 12:23:00 - [99] Originally by: Ehnea Mehk Ah and the snide asides begin, right on schedule. I will end this on a friendly note: I do hope whatever you get out of this "festival" helps you feel better about yourself. Enjoy! It wasn't snide. I see from your posts in other threads that you have the entire ethos of Eve wrong so lets just leave it there
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:03:00 - [100] Edited by: Zill on 18/06/2010 13:03:13 all trolling aside, they do seem to believe their talk about how tough they are, an how they cant be stopped blah blah. Funny thing is, only reason they cant be stopped is because CCP made a game centered around them. It's tailored to provide the griefers free access to ganking in highsec. They even go so far as demanding sec loss be removed, an insurance on T2 ships be maxed out. The loudest an most vulgar in the community have always been the so called "pvp elite". You only need to look at the abuse an attitudes in every single thread. In real life non of these lads would talk as tough as they do, just remember that an you'll find their attempts at "harassment" an bullying if you will are of minor inconvenience. (though I have to admit), bullying in a computer game/online is something I've never understood. It's impossible to scare someone with words.

Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:35:00 - [101] Originally by: Zill They even go so far as demanding sec loss be removed I would genuinely be interested in seeing which 'pvp elite' are asking for removal of sec loss. Do you have a source for this?
Zill The Scope	Posted - 2010.06.18 13:56:00 - [102] oh I saw it one of the other threads about insurance I think it was. I'm too tiered an its late to try finding it now.
Helicity Boson Amarr The Python Cartel. The Jerk Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.18 14:17:00 - [103] Originally by: Zill oh I saw it one of the other threads about insurance I think it was. I'm too tiered an its late to try finding it now. You got no game zill, no game at all. busted.
Blatantly Obvious	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:10:00 - [104] Re: this thread, I'm curious why people are talking about rightness/wrongness of this campaign. Are the forum warriors here in support trying to keep alive a debate to prevent ccp from changing its current stance, or do you guys just like to argue? (fwiw I realize that arguing is fun). Anyways, it would be nice if someone would post up a walkthrough on how to gank for this. i.e. what skills do you need at what level in what ships vs what targets? Can you get there from a trial account? etc.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.06.18 16:20:00 - [105] Originally by: Blatantly Obvious Re: this thread, I'm curious why people are talking about rightness/wrongness of this campaign. Are the forum warriors here in support trying to keep alive a debate to prevent ccp from changing its current stance, or do you guys just like to argue? (fwiw I realize that arguing is fun). Anyways, it would be nice if someone would post up a walkthrough on how to gank for this. i.e. what skills do you need at what level in what ships vs what targets? Can you get there from a trial account? etc. Personally I think its people coming over from games like WoW and expecting its just like WoW but with internet spaceships and more industry not realizing that the devs intended EvE to be a wholly unfair place. Many people see the world in absolute black and white terms. Either youre a good person or youre a bad person and that persona cant possibly be different than the way you are in real life. Thus if you suicide gank in game, you must be a pedophile, rapist, sadistic bastard, living in your moms basement, etc. For some people its easier to call us bad people than just accept that this is the way the game is played and adapt. There are many here for whom forum warrioring is much easier than actually playing the game.
Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.06.26 05:05:00 - [106] Originally by: Brusanan And Hulkageddon is supposed to be fun for the gankers, not the gankees. The gankees will get their vengeance and their fun if they choose to exercise their killrights. To encourage this, perhaps we should organize a competition, open only to those that lost mining barges and exhumers in Hulkageddon, in which they claim the killrights on those that destroyed their mining ship for prizes. And it should run until the killrights expire. A whole month when Hulkageddon participants will have to think twice before undocking their Navy battleships. Killright Karma has a nice ring about it.
Darek Castigatus Immortalis Inc. Shadow Cartel	Posted - 2010.06.26 12:45:00 - [107] Originally by: Mitchell Hagen Originally by: Brusanan And Hulkageddon is supposed to be fun for the gankers, not the gankees. The gankees will get their vengeance and their fun if they choose to exercise their killrights. To encourage this, perhaps we should organize a competition, open only to those that lost mining barges and exhumers in Hulkageddon, in which they claim the killrights on those that destroyed their mining ship for prizes. And it should run until the killrights expire. A whole month when Hulkageddon participants will have to think twice before undocking their Navy battleships. Killright Karma has a nice ring about it. Sounds fun, go ahead and organise it. Ill cheer you on same way I cheer Helicity on, because its someone actually going out and doing something instead of crying and whining about how the nasty griefer violenced my boat. http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sig.php
Mitchell Hagen	Posted - 2010.06.26 12:57:00 - [108] Originally by: Darek Castigatus Sounds fun, go ahead and organise it. Ill cheer you on same way I cheer Helicity on, because its someone actually going out and doing something instead of crying and whining about how the nasty griefer violenced my boat. I would organize it except I'm not good at organizing such things. Besides, it would take away the time that would be better spent participating in Hulkageddon (with one of my alts).
Intar Medris	Posted - 2010.06.26 15:25:00 - [109] Originally by: Sully Tude Confirming I will be parking my Hulk and lounging on the porch of my shiny new command centre on some temperate (read, "Tropical") planet while the ebil piwates chase sensor ghosts all around empire space I foresee epic volumes of "carebear tears" from people who A) macro mine or B) afk mine and don't read the forums or C) afk mine. There's too many miners anyway. There should be these events every 3 months to cull the herd :) You must really want to see mineral prices sky rocket.
Kolkuth	Posted - 2010.07.11 06:44:00 - [110] I have to admit its a well written piece and thats just what I am doing,taking a well deserved rest.

Kai Saito	Posted - 2010.07.11 11:34:00 - [111] Sandbox MMO's... love em :)
Falk vonTreskow	Posted - 2010.07.11 13:04:00 - [112] TL;DR version: (1) Killrights don't help miners. (2) are HG pilots sociopaths? Originally by: Mitchell Hagen To encourage this, perhaps we should organize a competition, open only to those that lost mining barges and exhumers in Hulkageddon, in which they claim the killrights on those that destroyed their mining ship for prizes. And it should run until the killrights expire. A whole month when Hulkageddon participants will have to think twice before undocking their Navy battleships. An excellent, albiet slightly flawed idea. We will ignore for now that if the gankee enjoyed PvP, they'd probably have been tooling around null/lowsec looking for a scrap and not flying a barge. Hypothetical case: I am a miner. My skillpoints are going to be pretty uniformly sunk into industrial skills. My spaceship command skills are probably going to be: some frigate points, Spaceship Command III, Barge V, Exumer V, and probably an industrial of some flavour or another. I will probably have fewer points in gunnery than I have in learning. We will also ignore for now that the toon who has just shot my barge out from under me is almost certainly a 9 hour old alt with just enough skills to pedal around in an 8-blaster/autocannon/whatever destroyer fit, and that after hulkageddon (or as soon as they can't fly the friendly skies of highsec), they're almost certainly bound for a 10 hour trip to the Soylent Green factory. The people who participate in Hulkaggedon (well, OK, the people who participate in hulkaggedon as something other than targets) are not miners. They probably do not enjoy mining or industry, and as such are unlikely to have spent many points on Pyroxers Refining V. They're also likely to roll in gangs (because 1 on 1 PVP requires about a 4:1 KDR in a fair fight to break even), have the skills and ISK to fly T2 combat ships (and, when they aren't suicide ganking highsec newbs, probably do). If we assume that the mining character trains at around 1600sp/hour (their attributes are unlikely to favour perception/willpower, i.e. ships & guns), and that they train for 3 weeks 6 days before they encounter their 'mark', that gives them 1,036,800 sp worth of pew pew skills. By my numbers, that will give them the skills for a tech 1 battleship at ~BSIII. (I'm assuming they start with shield tanking & core competencies and nothing else combat related). Being a miner, it may also have an, er, 'novel' fitting (artillery on a dominix because 1400mm > 425mm, and that better, right?). A gang of 5-8 people (probably about average for roving PvP) who are genuinely good at PvP flying non failfitted faction battleships, probably in <0.4 sec versus a disgruntled carebear flying a tech 1, probably low-meta BS. I suspect I'd probably think twice about undocking, albeit only to check that fraps was running when I did. At the end of they day, the argument against HG as articulated here is "I do not derive any fun from being killed from a position from which I cannot defend myself". That's fair enough. I've had a server bug force me to play a round of TF2 in "you have failed" mode, and can empathise. The argument for HG as articulated here seems to be "I enjoy it, and everyone else can get stuffed". Having heard the arguments, I side with the miners on this one. The devs don't agree with me? Well the devs are welcome to let me know how much I've hurt their feelings by expressing a contrary opinion. Finally, the thought occurs that if CCP would just have asteroids send wounded-feelings smacktalk in local and/or by evemail, miners might start to understand the thrill and challenge facing combat pilots during HG.
Azishkra'elhykai Mizamel Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.07.11 14:51:00 - [113] Originally by: Falk vonTreskow TL;DR version: (1) Killrights don't help miners. (2) are HG pilots sociopaths? Confirming that I orgasmically enjoy killing defenseless hulks and pretending I am correct to do so in order to save the Space Ducks (yes, I read that thread).
Deacon Palmer Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.07.11 16:38:00 - [114] Originally by: Falk vonTreskow TL;DR version: (1) Killrights don't help miners. (2) are HG pilots sociopaths? I am enjoying H3, in response to (2) If I was, would I even realize it? In response to (1) For the most part you are right. The 'Killrights should be transferrable to mercs' argument is a very good one. I would support it completely, as it would give killers another way to make money. again, the sandbox. all part of the experience. Mine, gank, probe, create, build, die. whatever. Squirt carebear.
Hashmir Zavala Hulkageddon Orphanage HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.07.11 17:22:00 - [115] Originally by: Falk vonTreskow Finally, the thought occurs that if CCP would just have asteroids send wounded-feelings smacktalk in local and/or by evemail, miners might start to understand the thrill and challenge facing combat pilots during HG. That would be awesome. I totally support smack talking asteroids (and space ducks).
Leonard Cage Minmatar Mors Fortuna Fatal Ascension	Posted - 2010.07.11 23:51:00 - [116] It is true ... is a sandbox, these events make EVE, much more interesting. I am particularly mining pilot, so these 9 days I'll take a break. My ships will be firmly on the stations. So thanks, I'll take a vacation.
Marcus Reinhard	Posted - 2010.07.11 23:56:00 - [117] next year entered the contest
TipsyMcStagger Caldari Hulkageddon Orphanage	Posted - 2010.07.12 02:03:00 - [118] Edited by: TipsyMcStagger on 12/07/2010 02:04:43 Has podageddon can has cheezberger? 2010.07.12 00:40:00 Victim: * Corp: * Alliance: * Faction: * Destroyed: Capsule System: Uttindar Security: 0.5 Damage Taken: 278 Involved parties: Name: TipsyMcStagger (laid the final blow) Security: -1.9 Corp: Hulkageddon Orphanage Alliance: HYDRA RELOADED Faction: NONE Ship: Thrasher Weapon: 200mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 278 2010.07.12 01:36:00 Victim: * Corp: * Alliance: * Faction: * Destroyed: Capsule System: Colelie Security: 0.5 Damage Taken: 303 Involved parties: Name: TipsyMcStagger (laid the final blow) Security: -3.5 Corp: Hulkageddon Orphanage Alliance: HYDRA RELOADED Faction: NONE Ship: Thrasher Weapon: 200mm AutoCannon II Damage Done: 303
Driller Hard	Posted - 2010.07.12 03:32:00 - [119] Originally by: Nephene Armandi wow, a lot of people missed the point of the OP. it's an address to miners to simply stop mining during hulkageddon so the gank squads wont have any targets. even more people chose to simply respond without reading it altogether. some of us dont lurk in the forums, and have never heard of hulkageddon. but we lost our hulk anyway didnt we?
Messoroz	Posted - 2010.07.12 03:39:00 - [120] Originally by: Mitchell Hagen Originally by: Brusanan And Hulkageddon is supposed to be fun for the gankers, not the gankees. The gankees will get their vengeance and their fun if they choose to exercise their killrights. To encourage this, perhaps we should organize a competition, open only to those that lost mining barges and exhumers in Hulkageddon, in which they claim the killrights on those that destroyed their mining ship for prizes. And it should run until the killrights expire. A whole month when Hulkageddon participants will have to think twice before undocking their Navy battleships. Killright Karma has a nice ring about it. FYI: the participants are using alts or definitely not flying navy battleships. Want to know why? Their sec status is most likely at -10 meaning they live in low and null. Miners are too **** chicken to ever go there. Besides the fact miners don't have combat skills and kill rights only allow the owner of the rights to attack, you can RR him but what are you going to do agaisnt someone with systems full of blue who will swarm on you in a second?



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