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Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 22:47:00 - [1] Ok, I have been reading the vast amounts of threads concerning the pirate menace. I have also been reading a lot about how everyone wants TTI to take care of the problem. Hey, they are a big Corp, they got lots of ISK, let them defend me! Ya, once they kill mOo then the whole pirate situation will be over! UmàIf you believe this then you are in for a big wake up call. Do you HONESTLY believe that even IF TTI take out mOo, that no one is going to take their place? Do you believe that no other Pirate corps are going to step up and fill the void? When one does, will it be up to TTI to yet again save us all? And how are they going to be compensated for this sacrifice? I hear a lot about how they are being æselfishÆ for not taking on mOo. Well, what is it then if you are demanding some one else to fight your fight? The is a lot of mention about how they should take the moral high ground. So, by this are we making them the standard of our morals? Are they to fight for everything that their morals dictate? Do their morals become the standard? Well, here is a silly little idea we all might want to try. How about we start to fight back? Now this may be a reach, but stay with me here. The pirate menace is growing and growing. No one can really deny that. I am sure it has NOTHING to do with all the posting of people saying æwe are helpless to defend ourselves, someone save us!Æ. What do you think would happen if this situation occurred: Joe Schmoe is trying to gate and is hijacked by pirates. So he either pays the toll or is destroyed. So he contacts all the local people around and they form up a lynch mob. The next thing you know there are 20 ships warping in and sending the pirates a running. How fast do you think the pirate menace will grow when they know the people will not stand for it anymore? Even if the mob was a rag tag group of cruisers and misc. ships. If the numbers were large enough it wouldnÆt matter! Of course, that would involve everyone to drop what they were doing and take up the fight. That wouldnÆt be in your best interest since you were not the one being attacked. It would be at this point that the hypocrisy would bear its ugly head on most of you. Of course, itÆs only an Idea. I mean, what chance would the large portion of the population have against the small pirate groups. Oh well.
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 22:47:00 - [2] Ok, I have been reading the vast amounts of threads concerning the pirate menace. I have also been reading a lot about how everyone wants TTI to take care of the problem. Hey, they are a big Corp, they got lots of ISK, let them defend me! Ya, once they kill mOo then the whole pirate situation will be over! UmàIf you believe this then you are in for a big wake up call. Do you HONESTLY believe that even IF TTI take out mOo, that no one is going to take their place? Do you believe that no other Pirate corps are going to step up and fill the void? When one does, will it be up to TTI to yet again save us all? And how are they going to be compensated for this sacrifice? I hear a lot about how they are being æselfishÆ for not taking on mOo. Well, what is it then if you are demanding some one else to fight your fight? The is a lot of mention about how they should take the moral high ground. So, by this are we making them the standard of our morals? Are they to fight for everything that their morals dictate? Do their morals become the standard? Well, here is a silly little idea we all might want to try. How about we start to fight back? Now this may be a reach, but stay with me here. The pirate menace is growing and growing. No one can really deny that. I am sure it has NOTHING to do with all the posting of people saying æwe are helpless to defend ourselves, someone save us!Æ. What do you think would happen if this situation occurred: Joe Schmoe is trying to gate and is hijacked by pirates. So he either pays the toll or is destroyed. So he contacts all the local people around and they form up a lynch mob. The next thing you know there are 20 ships warping in and sending the pirates a running. How fast do you think the pirate menace will grow when they know the people will not stand for it anymore? Even if the mob was a rag tag group of cruisers and misc. ships. If the numbers were large enough it wouldnÆt matter! Of course, that would involve everyone to drop what they were doing and take up the fight. That wouldnÆt be in your best interest since you were not the one being attacked. It would be at this point that the hypocrisy would bear its ugly head on most of you. Of course, itÆs only an Idea. I mean, what chance would the large portion of the population have against the small pirate groups. Oh well.
Setec	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:05:00 - [3] I don't want to fight back against pirates. They frighten me and stavr0s has bad breath. I think the solution is to give all of our money to pirates without making them actually rob us to take it. After all, pirates are cool, so they should have all money, right? Yeah... something like that. I bet if you send a pirate 5 or 10 million just out of the blue, he'll let you right on by if he ever sees you at a jumpgate! That's the real solution to pirate safety. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Setec Caldari The Silent Rage	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:05:00 - [4] I don't want to fight back against pirates. They frighten me and stavr0s has bad breath. I think the solution is to give all of our money to pirates without making them actually rob us to take it. After all, pirates are cool, so they should have all money, right? Yeah... something like that. I bet if you send a pirate 5 or 10 million just out of the blue, he'll let you right on by if he ever sees you at a jumpgate! That's the real solution to pirate safety. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:13:00 - [5] Cptmorgan, combat is usually too quick for these organised resposnses to save anyone, and running away and camping a few systems away is too easy. Besides this, even if there's 20 people on local, how many are fully equipped for fighting instead of for speed or mining? Edited by: Master Scy on 25/06/2003 23:13:45 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:13:00 - [6] Cptmorgan, combat is usually too quick for these organised resposnses to save anyone, and running away and camping a few systems away is too easy. Besides this, even if there's 20 people on local, how many are fully equipped for fighting instead of for speed or mining? Edited by: Master Scy on 25/06/2003 23:13:45 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:22:00 - [7] How about someone prove to me there is a pirate menace that needs to be solved? Because I certain that you are taking the most exaggerated incidents to date (all involving MOo) and trying to create a phantom menace to get piracy nerfed. I've encountered 2 pirates so far in their actual ships since I started playing. I saw Setec in local last night while up in Molden Heath. And I got an invitation to a gang invite with another pirate. That's it. I've been to and through: Heimatar Metropolis Sing Liason Essence Everyshore Molden Heath Devoid Derelik Genesis Verge Vendor The Syndicate Aridia Placid And my ship's autopilot is set for "Shortest Route". For such a 'menace' I'd expect to encounter far more pirates than the 2 that actually took shots at me (1 I didn't even bother to stop for). So what 'menace'? Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/06/2003 23:23:14 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:22:00 - [8] How about someone prove to me there is a pirate menace that needs to be solved? Because I certain that you are taking the most exaggerated incidents to date (all involving MOo) and trying to create a phantom menace to get piracy nerfed. I've encountered 2 pirates so far in their actual ships since I started playing. I saw Setec in local last night while up in Molden Heath. And I got an invitation to a gang invite with another pirate. That's it. I've been to and through: Heimatar Metropolis Sing Liason Essence Everyshore Molden Heath Devoid Derelik Genesis Verge Vendor The Syndicate Aridia Placid And my ship's autopilot is set for "Shortest Route". For such a 'menace' I'd expect to encounter far more pirates than the 2 that actually took shots at me (1 I didn't even bother to stop for). So what 'menace'? Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/06/2003 23:23:14 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Van Cleef	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:45:00 - [9] Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. ------------------------------------------------ Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:45:00 - [10] Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:51:00 - [11] ok, say your camping a jump point with 2 of your friends and your mugging everyone who comes through. If 20 ships jump in all at once and target you...are you going to wait around to see how they are equiped?
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:51:00 - [12] ok, say your camping a jump point with 2 of your friends and your mugging everyone who comes through. If 20 ships jump in all at once and target you...are you going to wait around to see how they are equiped?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 00:51:00 - [13] << Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. >> I think in reality it's a problem that's so widespread it barely affects anyone. I think the majority of the playerbase has never seen a pirate outside of the NPCs. And even those that do encoutner player pirates don't encounter them with any regular occurance (except those so stubborn they keep throwing themselves in front of their guns). If they don't affect everyone, what's the urgent need for a fix that affects everyone? What's the need for a fix that sacrifices a larger portion of the gameplay for the sake of a very small portion of the gameplay? People want to mine and deliver their minerals in peace with no challenges or roadblocks (shown when the gate pirates appeared during beta and had masses huddled together, quivering in fear inside stations). I'd find that extremely boring personally I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 00:51:00 - [14] << Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. >> I think in reality it's a problem that's so widespread it barely affects anyone. I think the majority of the playerbase has never seen a pirate outside of the NPCs. And even those that do encoutner player pirates don't encounter them with any regular occurance (except those so stubborn they keep throwing themselves in front of their guns). If they don't affect everyone, what's the urgent need for a fix that affects everyone? What's the need for a fix that sacrifices a larger portion of the gameplay for the sake of a very small portion of the gameplay? People want to mine and deliver their minerals in peace with no challenges or roadblocks (shown when the gate pirates appeared during beta and had masses huddled together, quivering in fear inside stations). I'd find that extremely boring personally I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Athren Soulsteal	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:05:00 - [15] Jash you are extreamly lucky. I have also been all over space. I stared the morning by getting podkilled after 3 jumps from one of our main bases by a new pirate corp. As soon as my clone woke a corpmate and I back and destroyed the lamer and chased 4 of his buddy out of the system. I then headed out to deliver a scyth and had not gone 5 jumps before I am targeted by yet another bunch of pirate wanabees in vigils and merlins. Well after chasing them for a few min I continuned on out of placid. I actually got to miim space before meeting yet another lamer in a punsher. look at info.. yup..scull and crossbones. and so on... from dour to amamake Every day I run across 4 or 5 new pirate groups. THis is above the 15+ i have to deal with in .7 and lower space. Hopefully once the sec rating are all on there will not be a problem but for now the pirates groups are spreading like the black plague.
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Orion Faction	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:05:00 - [16] Jash you are extreamly lucky. I have also been all over space. I stared the morning by getting podkilled after 3 jumps from one of our main bases by a new pirate corp. As soon as my clone woke a corpmate and I back and destroyed the lamer and chased 4 of his buddy out of the system. I then headed out to deliver a scyth and had not gone 5 jumps before I am targeted by yet another bunch of pirate wanabees in vigils and merlins. Well after chasing them for a few min I continuned on out of placid. I actually got to miim space before meeting yet another lamer in a punsher. look at info.. yup..scull and crossbones. and so on... from dour to amamake Every day I run across 4 or 5 new pirate groups. THis is above the 15+ i have to deal with in .7 and lower space. Hopefully once the sec rating are all on there will not be a problem but for now the pirates groups are spreading like the black plague. Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:58:00 - [17] << Jash you are extreamly lucky. >> Oh bullcrap. Where I'm based at the moment allegedly has Red Corsairs hanging out there all the time. I play during US East Coast prime time till late at night. Given all the hell you've advocated to make piracy more difficult, if I was a player pirate and saw your name in local I'd shoot you too. Even the dreaded "MOo is at Mara/Passari and they're killing the entire playerbase!" is exaggerated nonsense. Just taking the number of ships destroy in Mara over the past 24 hours and looking at a snapshot of the people currently online at eve-i.com barely hits 2% of the everyone online. And that's a snapshot, not the total people that played in a 24 hour period. This whole "pirate menace" is just so much space dust from the people that want to haul Cargo A to Destination B with nothing inbetween but gate pirates that a reaper can waltz past. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:58:00 - [18] << Jash you are extreamly lucky. >> Oh bullcrap. Where I'm based at the moment allegedly has Red Corsairs hanging out there all the time. I play during US East Coast prime time till late at night. Given all the hell you've advocated to make piracy more difficult, if I was a player pirate and saw your name in local I'd shoot you too. Even the dreaded "MOo is at Mara/Passari and they're killing the entire playerbase!" is exaggerated nonsense. Just taking the number of ships destroy in Mara over the past 24 hours and looking at a snapshot of the people currently online at eve-i.com barely hits 2% of the everyone online. And that's a snapshot, not the total people that played in a 24 hour period. This whole "pirate menace" is just so much space dust from the people that want to haul Cargo A to Destination B with nothing inbetween but gate pirates that a reaper can waltz past. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:38:00 - [19] Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:38:00 - [20] Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:44:00 - [21] Numbers... How many alts fly to there for fun to check the situation? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:44:00 - [22] Numbers... How many alts fly to there for fun to check the situation? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:46:00 - [23] The last 5 times I sent my alt there, they didn't bother podding it. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:46:00 - [24] The last 5 times I sent my alt there, they didn't bother podding it. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:48:00 - [25] The first time I sent my they podded me :-). --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:48:00 - [26] The first time I sent my they podded me :-). --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Bas Rutten	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:53:00 - [27] Good one Molly ... I was actually thinking of going there with an alt as well to just see what¦s going on ... And talking about a so-called menace well ... in the 5 weeks I¦m playing now, I met only very few pirates, one I had to run from, one that ran from me (ROFL btw) and some campers at a gate which I tried to take out with a mob (didn¦t succeed btw dammit) - and that¦s about it. I have yet to see a m0o member in the game... ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney
Bas Rutten Pothead Corporation	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:53:00 - [28] Good one Molly ... I was actually thinking of going there with an alt as well to just see what¦s going on ... And talking about a so-called menace well ... in the 5 weeks I¦m playing now, I met only very few pirates, one I had to run from, one that ran from me (ROFL btw) and some campers at a gate which I tried to take out with a mob (didn¦t succeed btw dammit) - and that¦s about it. I have yet to see a m0o member in the game... ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:03:00 - [29] << Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. >> They speak for themselves alright. You're just listening to the numbers you want to hear. Using just the peak number of players from the last 300 minutes according to eve-i.com (4715), that comes out to 3.44% had ships destroyed in those 3 different locations. But that's a single snapshot. Unless you want to state that only 4715 people played over the last 24 period, that percentage drops significantly. Being conservative and multiplying that peak number by 3 (industry usually multiplies concurrent user stats by 4-5 to get total), it drops to 1.15% But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number. Hell, the IRS will forgive wider margins of errors. Now just because you might have been one of those people that went through those 3 systems doesn't mean that "It's a problem ruining the game for everyone!!!". Looks more like "It's a problem that's ruining the game for ME because I can't get through Mara/Passari with these minerals and I WANT to". Mind you I'm not sure the map distinguishes between losses of ships to player pirates and losses of ships in general. Edited by: Jash Illian on 26/06/2003 05:08:18 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:03:00 - [30] << Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. >> They speak for themselves alright. You're just listening to the numbers you want to hear. Using just the peak number of players from the last 300 minutes according to eve-i.com (4715), that comes out to 3.44% had ships destroyed in those 3 different locations. But that's a single snapshot. Unless you want to state that only 4715 people played over the last 24 period, that percentage drops significantly. Being conservative and multiplying that peak number by 3 (industry usually multiplies concurrent user stats by 4-5 to get total), it drops to 1.15% But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number. Hell, the IRS will forgive wider margins of errors. Now just because you might have been one of those people that went through those 3 systems doesn't mean that "It's a problem ruining the game for everyone!!!". Looks more like "It's a problem that's ruining the game for ME because I can't get through Mara/Passari with these minerals and I WANT to". Mind you I'm not sure the map distinguishes between losses of ships to player pirates and losses of ships in general. Edited by: Jash Illian on 26/06/2003 05:08:18 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante

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