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Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 22:47:00 - [1] Ok, I have been reading the vast amounts of threads concerning the pirate menace. I have also been reading a lot about how everyone wants TTI to take care of the problem. Hey, they are a big Corp, they got lots of ISK, let them defend me! Ya, once they kill mOo then the whole pirate situation will be over! UmàIf you believe this then you are in for a big wake up call. Do you HONESTLY believe that even IF TTI take out mOo, that no one is going to take their place? Do you believe that no other Pirate corps are going to step up and fill the void? When one does, will it be up to TTI to yet again save us all? And how are they going to be compensated for this sacrifice? I hear a lot about how they are being æselfishÆ for not taking on mOo. Well, what is it then if you are demanding some one else to fight your fight? The is a lot of mention about how they should take the moral high ground. So, by this are we making them the standard of our morals? Are they to fight for everything that their morals dictate? Do their morals become the standard? Well, here is a silly little idea we all might want to try. How about we start to fight back? Now this may be a reach, but stay with me here. The pirate menace is growing and growing. No one can really deny that. I am sure it has NOTHING to do with all the posting of people saying æwe are helpless to defend ourselves, someone save us!Æ. What do you think would happen if this situation occurred: Joe Schmoe is trying to gate and is hijacked by pirates. So he either pays the toll or is destroyed. So he contacts all the local people around and they form up a lynch mob. The next thing you know there are 20 ships warping in and sending the pirates a running. How fast do you think the pirate menace will grow when they know the people will not stand for it anymore? Even if the mob was a rag tag group of cruisers and misc. ships. If the numbers were large enough it wouldnÆt matter! Of course, that would involve everyone to drop what they were doing and take up the fight. That wouldnÆt be in your best interest since you were not the one being attacked. It would be at this point that the hypocrisy would bear its ugly head on most of you. Of course, itÆs only an Idea. I mean, what chance would the large portion of the population have against the small pirate groups. Oh well.
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 22:47:00 - [2] Ok, I have been reading the vast amounts of threads concerning the pirate menace. I have also been reading a lot about how everyone wants TTI to take care of the problem. Hey, they are a big Corp, they got lots of ISK, let them defend me! Ya, once they kill mOo then the whole pirate situation will be over! UmàIf you believe this then you are in for a big wake up call. Do you HONESTLY believe that even IF TTI take out mOo, that no one is going to take their place? Do you believe that no other Pirate corps are going to step up and fill the void? When one does, will it be up to TTI to yet again save us all? And how are they going to be compensated for this sacrifice? I hear a lot about how they are being æselfishÆ for not taking on mOo. Well, what is it then if you are demanding some one else to fight your fight? The is a lot of mention about how they should take the moral high ground. So, by this are we making them the standard of our morals? Are they to fight for everything that their morals dictate? Do their morals become the standard? Well, here is a silly little idea we all might want to try. How about we start to fight back? Now this may be a reach, but stay with me here. The pirate menace is growing and growing. No one can really deny that. I am sure it has NOTHING to do with all the posting of people saying æwe are helpless to defend ourselves, someone save us!Æ. What do you think would happen if this situation occurred: Joe Schmoe is trying to gate and is hijacked by pirates. So he either pays the toll or is destroyed. So he contacts all the local people around and they form up a lynch mob. The next thing you know there are 20 ships warping in and sending the pirates a running. How fast do you think the pirate menace will grow when they know the people will not stand for it anymore? Even if the mob was a rag tag group of cruisers and misc. ships. If the numbers were large enough it wouldnÆt matter! Of course, that would involve everyone to drop what they were doing and take up the fight. That wouldnÆt be in your best interest since you were not the one being attacked. It would be at this point that the hypocrisy would bear its ugly head on most of you. Of course, itÆs only an Idea. I mean, what chance would the large portion of the population have against the small pirate groups. Oh well.
Setec	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:05:00 - [3] I don't want to fight back against pirates. They frighten me and stavr0s has bad breath. I think the solution is to give all of our money to pirates without making them actually rob us to take it. After all, pirates are cool, so they should have all money, right? Yeah... something like that. I bet if you send a pirate 5 or 10 million just out of the blue, he'll let you right on by if he ever sees you at a jumpgate! That's the real solution to pirate safety. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Setec Caldari The Silent Rage	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:05:00 - [4] I don't want to fight back against pirates. They frighten me and stavr0s has bad breath. I think the solution is to give all of our money to pirates without making them actually rob us to take it. After all, pirates are cool, so they should have all money, right? Yeah... something like that. I bet if you send a pirate 5 or 10 million just out of the blue, he'll let you right on by if he ever sees you at a jumpgate! That's the real solution to pirate safety. ___________________________________________ Space Invaders website: http://www.si-corp.net
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:13:00 - [5] Cptmorgan, combat is usually too quick for these organised resposnses to save anyone, and running away and camping a few systems away is too easy. Besides this, even if there's 20 people on local, how many are fully equipped for fighting instead of for speed or mining? Edited by: Master Scy on 25/06/2003 23:13:45 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:13:00 - [6] Cptmorgan, combat is usually too quick for these organised resposnses to save anyone, and running away and camping a few systems away is too easy. Besides this, even if there's 20 people on local, how many are fully equipped for fighting instead of for speed or mining? Edited by: Master Scy on 25/06/2003 23:13:45 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:22:00 - [7] How about someone prove to me there is a pirate menace that needs to be solved? Because I certain that you are taking the most exaggerated incidents to date (all involving MOo) and trying to create a phantom menace to get piracy nerfed. I've encountered 2 pirates so far in their actual ships since I started playing. I saw Setec in local last night while up in Molden Heath. And I got an invitation to a gang invite with another pirate. That's it. I've been to and through: Heimatar Metropolis Sing Liason Essence Everyshore Molden Heath Devoid Derelik Genesis Verge Vendor The Syndicate Aridia Placid And my ship's autopilot is set for "Shortest Route". For such a 'menace' I'd expect to encounter far more pirates than the 2 that actually took shots at me (1 I didn't even bother to stop for). So what 'menace'? Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/06/2003 23:23:14 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:22:00 - [8] How about someone prove to me there is a pirate menace that needs to be solved? Because I certain that you are taking the most exaggerated incidents to date (all involving MOo) and trying to create a phantom menace to get piracy nerfed. I've encountered 2 pirates so far in their actual ships since I started playing. I saw Setec in local last night while up in Molden Heath. And I got an invitation to a gang invite with another pirate. That's it. I've been to and through: Heimatar Metropolis Sing Liason Essence Everyshore Molden Heath Devoid Derelik Genesis Verge Vendor The Syndicate Aridia Placid And my ship's autopilot is set for "Shortest Route". For such a 'menace' I'd expect to encounter far more pirates than the 2 that actually took shots at me (1 I didn't even bother to stop for). So what 'menace'? Edited by: Jash Illian on 25/06/2003 23:23:14 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Van Cleef	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:45:00 - [9] Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. ------------------------------------------------ Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:45:00 - [10] Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:51:00 - [11] ok, say your camping a jump point with 2 of your friends and your mugging everyone who comes through. If 20 ships jump in all at once and target you...are you going to wait around to see how they are equiped?
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.25 23:51:00 - [12] ok, say your camping a jump point with 2 of your friends and your mugging everyone who comes through. If 20 ships jump in all at once and target you...are you going to wait around to see how they are equiped?
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 00:51:00 - [13] << Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. >> I think in reality it's a problem that's so widespread it barely affects anyone. I think the majority of the playerbase has never seen a pirate outside of the NPCs. And even those that do encoutner player pirates don't encounter them with any regular occurance (except those so stubborn they keep throwing themselves in front of their guns). If they don't affect everyone, what's the urgent need for a fix that affects everyone? What's the need for a fix that sacrifices a larger portion of the gameplay for the sake of a very small portion of the gameplay? People want to mine and deliver their minerals in peace with no challenges or roadblocks (shown when the gate pirates appeared during beta and had masses huddled together, quivering in fear inside stations). I'd find that extremely boring personally I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 00:51:00 - [14] << Go to Parasi and declare all pirates sissy mary boys. See what happens. Thats the pirate menace so to speak. No its not a widespread problem that affects everyone, but its there. >> I think in reality it's a problem that's so widespread it barely affects anyone. I think the majority of the playerbase has never seen a pirate outside of the NPCs. And even those that do encoutner player pirates don't encounter them with any regular occurance (except those so stubborn they keep throwing themselves in front of their guns). If they don't affect everyone, what's the urgent need for a fix that affects everyone? What's the need for a fix that sacrifices a larger portion of the gameplay for the sake of a very small portion of the gameplay? People want to mine and deliver their minerals in peace with no challenges or roadblocks (shown when the gate pirates appeared during beta and had masses huddled together, quivering in fear inside stations). I'd find that extremely boring personally I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Athren Soulsteal	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:05:00 - [15] Jash you are extreamly lucky. I have also been all over space. I stared the morning by getting podkilled after 3 jumps from one of our main bases by a new pirate corp. As soon as my clone woke a corpmate and I back and destroyed the lamer and chased 4 of his buddy out of the system. I then headed out to deliver a scyth and had not gone 5 jumps before I am targeted by yet another bunch of pirate wanabees in vigils and merlins. Well after chasing them for a few min I continuned on out of placid. I actually got to miim space before meeting yet another lamer in a punsher. look at info.. yup..scull and crossbones. and so on... from dour to amamake Every day I run across 4 or 5 new pirate groups. THis is above the 15+ i have to deal with in .7 and lower space. Hopefully once the sec rating are all on there will not be a problem but for now the pirates groups are spreading like the black plague.
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Orion Faction	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:05:00 - [16] Jash you are extreamly lucky. I have also been all over space. I stared the morning by getting podkilled after 3 jumps from one of our main bases by a new pirate corp. As soon as my clone woke a corpmate and I back and destroyed the lamer and chased 4 of his buddy out of the system. I then headed out to deliver a scyth and had not gone 5 jumps before I am targeted by yet another bunch of pirate wanabees in vigils and merlins. Well after chasing them for a few min I continuned on out of placid. I actually got to miim space before meeting yet another lamer in a punsher. look at info.. yup..scull and crossbones. and so on... from dour to amamake Every day I run across 4 or 5 new pirate groups. THis is above the 15+ i have to deal with in .7 and lower space. Hopefully once the sec rating are all on there will not be a problem but for now the pirates groups are spreading like the black plague. Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:58:00 - [17] << Jash you are extreamly lucky. >> Oh bullcrap. Where I'm based at the moment allegedly has Red Corsairs hanging out there all the time. I play during US East Coast prime time till late at night. Given all the hell you've advocated to make piracy more difficult, if I was a player pirate and saw your name in local I'd shoot you too. Even the dreaded "MOo is at Mara/Passari and they're killing the entire playerbase!" is exaggerated nonsense. Just taking the number of ships destroy in Mara over the past 24 hours and looking at a snapshot of the people currently online at eve-i.com barely hits 2% of the everyone online. And that's a snapshot, not the total people that played in a 24 hour period. This whole "pirate menace" is just so much space dust from the people that want to haul Cargo A to Destination B with nothing inbetween but gate pirates that a reaper can waltz past. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 02:58:00 - [18] << Jash you are extreamly lucky. >> Oh bullcrap. Where I'm based at the moment allegedly has Red Corsairs hanging out there all the time. I play during US East Coast prime time till late at night. Given all the hell you've advocated to make piracy more difficult, if I was a player pirate and saw your name in local I'd shoot you too. Even the dreaded "MOo is at Mara/Passari and they're killing the entire playerbase!" is exaggerated nonsense. Just taking the number of ships destroy in Mara over the past 24 hours and looking at a snapshot of the people currently online at eve-i.com barely hits 2% of the everyone online. And that's a snapshot, not the total people that played in a 24 hour period. This whole "pirate menace" is just so much space dust from the people that want to haul Cargo A to Destination B with nothing inbetween but gate pirates that a reaper can waltz past. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:38:00 - [19] Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:38:00 - [20] Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:44:00 - [21] Numbers... How many alts fly to there for fun to check the situation? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:44:00 - [22] Numbers... How many alts fly to there for fun to check the situation? --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:46:00 - [23] The last 5 times I sent my alt there, they didn't bother podding it. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:46:00 - [24] The last 5 times I sent my alt there, they didn't bother podding it. ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:48:00 - [25] The first time I sent my they podded me :-). --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:48:00 - [26] The first time I sent my they podded me :-). --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Bas Rutten	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:53:00 - [27] Good one Molly ... I was actually thinking of going there with an alt as well to just see what¦s going on ... And talking about a so-called menace well ... in the 5 weeks I¦m playing now, I met only very few pirates, one I had to run from, one that ran from me (ROFL btw) and some campers at a gate which I tried to take out with a mob (didn¦t succeed btw dammit) - and that¦s about it. I have yet to see a m0o member in the game... ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney
Bas Rutten Pothead Corporation	Posted - 2003.06.26 04:53:00 - [28] Good one Molly ... I was actually thinking of going there with an alt as well to just see what¦s going on ... And talking about a so-called menace well ... in the 5 weeks I¦m playing now, I met only very few pirates, one I had to run from, one that ran from me (ROFL btw) and some campers at a gate which I tried to take out with a mob (didn¦t succeed btw dammit) - and that¦s about it. I have yet to see a m0o member in the game... ____________________________________ Deny the Urge - brutal Death from Germoney
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:03:00 - [29] << Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. >> They speak for themselves alright. You're just listening to the numbers you want to hear. Using just the peak number of players from the last 300 minutes according to eve-i.com (4715), that comes out to 3.44% had ships destroyed in those 3 different locations. But that's a single snapshot. Unless you want to state that only 4715 people played over the last 24 period, that percentage drops significantly. Being conservative and multiplying that peak number by 3 (industry usually multiplies concurrent user stats by 4-5 to get total), it drops to 1.15% But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number. Hell, the IRS will forgive wider margins of errors. Now just because you might have been one of those people that went through those 3 systems doesn't mean that "It's a problem ruining the game for everyone!!!". Looks more like "It's a problem that's ruining the game for ME because I can't get through Mara/Passari with these minerals and I WANT to". Mind you I'm not sure the map distinguishes between losses of ships to player pirates and losses of ships in general. Edited by: Jash Illian on 26/06/2003 05:08:18 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:03:00 - [30] << Passari -> 45 podkills in last 24 hours Mara -> 35 Eifer -> 49 About another 50 pods destroyed in other places over the galaxy. Passari -> 62 ships destroyed Mara -> 41 Eifer -> 59 I do believe these numbers speak for themselves Jash. And I'm sure these numbers were a lot worse before everyone knew about the Passari camping. >> They speak for themselves alright. You're just listening to the numbers you want to hear. Using just the peak number of players from the last 300 minutes according to eve-i.com (4715), that comes out to 3.44% had ships destroyed in those 3 different locations. But that's a single snapshot. Unless you want to state that only 4715 people played over the last 24 period, that percentage drops significantly. Being conservative and multiplying that peak number by 3 (industry usually multiplies concurrent user stats by 4-5 to get total), it drops to 1.15% But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number. Hell, the IRS will forgive wider margins of errors. Now just because you might have been one of those people that went through those 3 systems doesn't mean that "It's a problem ruining the game for everyone!!!". Looks more like "It's a problem that's ruining the game for ME because I can't get through Mara/Passari with these minerals and I WANT to". Mind you I'm not sure the map distinguishes between losses of ships to player pirates and losses of ships in general. Edited by: Jash Illian on 26/06/2003 05:08:18 I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:27:00 - [31] Yes, the ships destroyed counts ships lost to NPCs as well as players, I just stuck that in to show that actual piracy is higher than number of pod kills (since it would be next to impossible to have lost a ship to NPC pirates in Mara, etc unless you want to). Actual piracy is probably a few times higher than pod kills since not all pirates intend to pod, or act quickly enough to do that. In Mara, etc there's 5-10 people camping at a time, meaning that they'd have a better podding to ship destruction ratio than elsewhere. Then add to that the cases where people escape from pirates completely, without losing their ships. My point was that piracy exists, even though you didn't come across much of it yourself (neither did I btw, I had to pass through mara/passari twice, and no problems other than that). ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:27:00 - [32] Yes, the ships destroyed counts ships lost to NPCs as well as players, I just stuck that in to show that actual piracy is higher than number of pod kills (since it would be next to impossible to have lost a ship to NPC pirates in Mara, etc unless you want to). Actual piracy is probably a few times higher than pod kills since not all pirates intend to pod, or act quickly enough to do that. In Mara, etc there's 5-10 people camping at a time, meaning that they'd have a better podding to ship destruction ratio than elsewhere. Then add to that the cases where people escape from pirates completely, without losing their ships. My point was that piracy exists, even though you didn't come across much of it yourself (neither did I btw, I had to pass through mara/passari twice, and no problems other than that). ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:33:00 - [33] << My point was that piracy exists, even though you didn't come across much of it yourself (neither did I btw, I had to pass through mara/passari twice, and no problems other than that). >> My point is the people are blowing this whole situation out of proportion. And that most of the urgency comes from people that incurred a the loss. In reality most of the time spent in Eve goes without encountering a player pirate. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:33:00 - [34] << My point was that piracy exists, even though you didn't come across much of it yourself (neither did I btw, I had to pass through mara/passari twice, and no problems other than that). >> My point is the people are blowing this whole situation out of proportion. And that most of the urgency comes from people that incurred a the loss. In reality most of the time spent in Eve goes without encountering a player pirate. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:48:00 - [35] I do understand your point, even if piracy set you back 30 minutes there would still be a lot of complaining, etc. But when 1 encounter can set you back 1 week, I don't think people are blowing things out of proportion.. What makes the things worse is that currently, the Mara/Passari situation simply cannot be resolved (unless someone out there has a good suggestion on how to take out 5 cruisers and 1 battleship surrounded by 100 containers which make everyone lag when warping in, and when those pirates will all warp out at the first sign of trouble, and come back later). ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 05:48:00 - [36] I do understand your point, even if piracy set you back 30 minutes there would still be a lot of complaining, etc. But when 1 encounter can set you back 1 week, I don't think people are blowing things out of proportion.. What makes the things worse is that currently, the Mara/Passari situation simply cannot be resolved (unless someone out there has a good suggestion on how to take out 5 cruisers and 1 battleship surrounded by 100 containers which make everyone lag when warping in, and when those pirates will all warp out at the first sign of trouble, and come back later). ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:00:00 - [37] << But when 1 encounter can set you back 1 week, I don't think people are blowing things out of proportion.. >> Those are the risks of playing this game period. A disconnect from your ISP warping into a roid belt will lose you that shiny cruiser and everything aboard. And the only people to blame when someone loses everything they own in a single shot is the person that carried everything they owned in the first place. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:00:00 - [38] << But when 1 encounter can set you back 1 week, I don't think people are blowing things out of proportion.. >> Those are the risks of playing this game period. A disconnect from your ISP warping into a roid belt will lose you that shiny cruiser and everything aboard. And the only people to blame when someone loses everything they own in a single shot is the person that carried everything they owned in the first place. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:11:00 - [39] There were recently no containers. I checked it. You can make money safely in down to 0.5 with mining and it's good money. Or you can go to one of the hundreds 0.0 systems which are player empty and get some nice loot and NPC bounties. Get your BS in high sec space mining or via NPC bounties and go after m0o yourself. I don't care what's happening there. Neither does the Caldari state. So stop accusing people please and stop the crying. From 0.4 on your ship can be destroyed, you can be podded. And CONCORD won't help. Realize this and play to minimize your risks. I can build me each 2-3h of game time a new low end cruiser or dozens of frigates and cheap clones. Unless you are able to do similar things stay out of Mara/Passari. Can't be that hard. Working 1 week for something and taking the highest risk you can go then (e.g. going to Mara/Passari), without having some assets in the bank doesn't sound smart to me. Sorry. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:11:00 - [40] There were recently no containers. I checked it. You can make money safely in down to 0.5 with mining and it's good money. Or you can go to one of the hundreds 0.0 systems which are player empty and get some nice loot and NPC bounties. Get your BS in high sec space mining or via NPC bounties and go after m0o yourself. I don't care what's happening there. Neither does the Caldari state. So stop accusing people please and stop the crying. From 0.4 on your ship can be destroyed, you can be podded. And CONCORD won't help. Realize this and play to minimize your risks. I can build me each 2-3h of game time a new low end cruiser or dozens of frigates and cheap clones. Unless you are able to do similar things stay out of Mara/Passari. Can't be that hard. Working 1 week for something and taking the highest risk you can go then (e.g. going to Mara/Passari), without having some assets in the bank doesn't sound smart to me. Sorry. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:16:00 - [41] Ooo...I have to update the number of pirate encounters. I'm in a system right now with DelZon of M0o. Halfway tempted to go check out his ship :D I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:16:00 - [42] Ooo...I have to update the number of pirate encounters. I'm in a system right now with DelZon of M0o. Halfway tempted to go check out his ship :D I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:19:00 - [43] Rofl. Good luck. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:19:00 - [44] Rofl. Good luck. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Charlatan	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:38:00 - [45] "But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number." There's a flaw in this logic. 162 is the number of people blasted in only a 24 hour period. Unless it's always the same people losing their ships then many more than 162 people are involved.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:38:00 - [46] << Rofl. Good luck. >> Wasn't needed. Just went to the station where I needed to make a pickup, grabbed the cargo (blueprints), and on the way out I stopped at the planet nearest to my exit stargate. From there it ws nothing for my Rifter to scan out 55km and see if anyone was near the gate. When I saw the gate was clear, I warped in and left. Never caught sight of DelZon. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:38:00 - [47] << Rofl. Good luck. >> Wasn't needed. Just went to the station where I needed to make a pickup, grabbed the cargo (blueprints), and on the way out I stopped at the planet nearest to my exit stargate. From there it ws nothing for my Rifter to scan out 55km and see if anyone was near the gate. When I saw the gate was clear, I warped in and left. Never caught sight of DelZon. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Charlatan Caldari All For One	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:38:00 - [48] "But let's just stick with the snapshot to keep it simple. Out of 4715 people 162 suffered a loss of their ship in Mara, Passari and Eifer. Hrm...162 out of 4715 isn't a majority. Hrm...it's not even a significant number." There's a flaw in this logic. 162 is the number of people blasted in only a 24 hour period. Unless it's always the same people losing their ships then many more than 162 people are involved.
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:50:00 - [49] << There's a flaw in this logic. 162 is the number of people blasted in only a 24 hour period. Unless it's always the same people losing their ships then many more than 162 people are involved. >> The flaw is on your side of the logic bar. Let's assume 200 totally different people everyday and assume Eve has 20k customers. That would mean 1% of the population gets hit in those 3 systems daily... BUT, they'd then go another 99 days without incident. 1% is below the margin of error for the IRS. And people that get repeatedly hit just lowers the percentage further. There's no way to argue Mara/Passari as the example of what happens in the Eve Universe. That's the real flaw in the argument: it lacks the total ships/pod destroyed over the entire Eve universe in PvP fights with pirates. That still doesn't change that most people have never seen a M0o member or Setec or a Red Corsair. And few see them on a regular basis, except the extremely stubborn that keep throwing themselves at their blockades to justify their argument of dying repeatedly at their hands. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 06:50:00 - [50] << There's a flaw in this logic. 162 is the number of people blasted in only a 24 hour period. Unless it's always the same people losing their ships then many more than 162 people are involved. >> The flaw is on your side of the logic bar. Let's assume 200 totally different people everyday and assume Eve has 20k customers. That would mean 1% of the population gets hit in those 3 systems daily... BUT, they'd then go another 99 days without incident. 1% is below the margin of error for the IRS. And people that get repeatedly hit just lowers the percentage further. There's no way to argue Mara/Passari as the example of what happens in the Eve Universe. That's the real flaw in the argument: it lacks the total ships/pod destroyed over the entire Eve universe in PvP fights with pirates. That still doesn't change that most people have never seen a M0o member or Setec or a Red Corsair. And few see them on a regular basis, except the extremely stubborn that keep throwing themselves at their blockades to justify their argument of dying repeatedly at their hands. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Master Scy	Posted - 2003.06.26 08:34:00 - [51] Let me tell you how I see the situation in Lonetrek: around 100 people lost their ships to player pirates, some more managed to run away or get through the gate in time. Some actually paid the pirates off, or jetissoned part or all of their cargo. Some others decided to take another route between the 2 sections of Lonetrek, taking 50 jumps. Others decided to leave Lonetrek entirely, and some new characters may have been recommended not to even start a character in Lonetrek to make things easier. To me, it seems like life in Lonetrek is now based on avoiding piracy, for those who need to move a lot. Now, I'm not saying that there should be no piracy in empire space, I merely suggest that blockades should not last 3 weeks right in the middle of an empire region. Piracy within empire space should be reduced to quick, risky raids, and blockades of half an hour, not 3 weeks. Edited by: Master Scy on 26/06/2003 08:34:35 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Master Scy Caldari	Posted - 2003.06.26 08:34:00 - [52] Let me tell you how I see the situation in Lonetrek: around 100 people lost their ships to player pirates, some more managed to run away or get through the gate in time. Some actually paid the pirates off, or jetissoned part or all of their cargo. Some others decided to take another route between the 2 sections of Lonetrek, taking 50 jumps. Others decided to leave Lonetrek entirely, and some new characters may have been recommended not to even start a character in Lonetrek to make things easier. To me, it seems like life in Lonetrek is now based on avoiding piracy, for those who need to move a lot. Now, I'm not saying that there should be no piracy in empire space, I merely suggest that blockades should not last 3 weeks right in the middle of an empire region. Piracy within empire space should be reduced to quick, risky raids, and blockades of half an hour, not 3 weeks. Edited by: Master Scy on 26/06/2003 08:34:35 ----------------------------- You think Marco Polo said "Damn Mongolians were camping that cave entry into the next valley the entire day, you can't get friggin anywhere in the world with those damn griefer tribes all over the place" ? -Indigo Seqi
Fester Addams	Posted - 2003.06.26 09:09:00 - [53] So mods, how much money would the players have to shell out to raise the Mara/Passari gauntlet into .6 sec rating? As we the players are suposed to eventially be able to buy everything we the players must be able to shell out cash to raise the rating in systems. How much isk would it take to make concorde (or what the bloody hell the police is called) to beef up security in the Mara/Passari nexus to make it "safe", give me an estimate, I wount be shelling out but with so many people complaining I bet there are alot of players willing to put down big wads of cash if it would meen safe pasage. How much, its a simple ingame question, how much is +0.1 sec rating worth? Also, if ccp refuses to give a reasonable cash figure (Im talking a high number but a number that is plausable) then ccp's intention is clear, they will have sided with the pirates and all the rest of us will have to make the simple decition will we keep playing and accept it or leave the game and let it wither and die before it takes off.
Fester Addams Minmatar	Posted - 2003.06.26 09:09:00 - [54] So mods, how much money would the players have to shell out to raise the Mara/Passari gauntlet into .6 sec rating? As we the players are suposed to eventially be able to buy everything we the players must be able to shell out cash to raise the rating in systems. How much isk would it take to make concorde (or what the bloody hell the police is called) to beef up security in the Mara/Passari nexus to make it "safe", give me an estimate, I wount be shelling out but with so many people complaining I bet there are alot of players willing to put down big wads of cash if it would meen safe pasage. How much, its a simple ingame question, how much is +0.1 sec rating worth? Also, if ccp refuses to give a reasonable cash figure (Im talking a high number but a number that is plausable) then ccp's intention is clear, they will have sided with the pirates and all the rest of us will have to make the simple decition will we keep playing and accept it or leave the game and let it wither and die before it takes off.
Whoopy	Posted - 2003.06.26 09:36:00 - [55] Unless if effected yourself the mid- and large sized Corps should have become a level to fight them back. Pirate corps are getting stronger and now also small corps decide to join the dark side cause its too easy. Every region should be strong enough to initiate a fighting group thats able to blast the PK¦s out of region. Look at Stentec who¦s able to terrorise a system with a blackbird and a couple of frigs in a 20 member corp. Its only possible while no one is interesting to kick his BB to hell where he belongs to. If not there would be another few corps in near future who decide that before they are shot by passing a system its better to block one themselfes. I believe there is a life before death
Whoopy Sol Systems Corp	Posted - 2003.06.26 09:36:00 - [56] Unless if effected yourself the mid- and large sized Corps should have become a level to fight them back. Pirate corps are getting stronger and now also small corps decide to join the dark side cause its too easy. Every region should be strong enough to initiate a fighting group thats able to blast the PK¦s out of region. Look at Stentec who¦s able to terrorise a system with a blackbird and a couple of frigs in a 20 member corp. Its only possible while no one is interesting to kick his BB to hell where he belongs to. If not there would be another few corps in near future who decide that before they are shot by passing a system its better to block one themselfes. I believe there is a life before death
ddogg	Posted - 2003.06.26 10:14:00 - [57] The problem just doesnt exist till it happens to you. Up till yesterday id have said the same as Jash - whats all the fuss about. But I did get attacked in what Id always considered safe space, and my Thorax was almost destroyed in 20seconds flat - In this instance I escaped, but was a close run thing. I have to say tho those mo0 boys hit hard and fast. If we stop the PvP in EVE we will loose too much - the game will become bland. We really do just have to deal with the pirates as players either by runing, fighting or just plain avoiding. We will all suffer losses at some point in time. CEO -
ddogg Amarr HuzzaH	Posted - 2003.06.26 10:14:00 - [58] The problem just doesnt exist till it happens to you. Up till yesterday id have said the same as Jash - whats all the fuss about. But I did get attacked in what Id always considered safe space, and my Thorax was almost destroyed in 20seconds flat - In this instance I escaped, but was a close run thing. I have to say tho those mo0 boys hit hard and fast. If we stop the PvP in EVE we will loose too much - the game will become bland. We really do just have to deal with the pirates as players either by runing, fighting or just plain avoiding. We will all suffer losses at some point in time. CEO -
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.26 17:19:00 - [59] It all comes to this. Ooh ooh TTI is greedy greedy people. Ok, why do you not want to fight the pirates in your small groups and corps? Because you may lose your ships and get podded. This would mean you lose money and time. Much easier to make someone else lose it. Now who is being greedy? You say 'but we are too few in numbers and are unorganized'. Umm...last time I checked A LOT of people are tired of pirates. And as for not being organized enough...WELL GET ORGANIZED! What, it's another corps fault because you are too dang lazy to get your act in gear. And don't tell me the majority of you would pass up a NAP with pirates outa principle! I know for a fact if I had the option then I would concider it. I know some of you would spit in their face and my hats off to you. The last thing, why the heck are we asking TTI to take care of it! Last time I checked and read their web site, they were just a business group. They have a small sub division of defense, but thats it. I'm not saying they couldn't put up a fight, but aren't there purely Military corps out there? Why the heck are you guys not bothering them! It's like asking Bill Gates to fight a war for you, just because he can throw the most money at the problem! TTI has solved the problem for themselves so it's time for everyone else who was trying to ride on their coat tails to move on to plan B. There seems to be no shortage of 'Moral leaders' out there, time to put your money where your mouth is. If you are not 'greedy' people who's sole concern is ISK then lead us to the Holy land! Get organized and solve the problem that you are more than happy to force onto others! In short, Put up or shut up and take your nap
Cptmorgan	Posted - 2003.06.26 17:19:00 - [60] It all comes to this. Ooh ooh TTI is greedy greedy people. Ok, why do you not want to fight the pirates in your small groups and corps? Because you may lose your ships and get podded. This would mean you lose money and time. Much easier to make someone else lose it. Now who is being greedy? You say 'but we are too few in numbers and are unorganized'. Umm...last time I checked A LOT of people are tired of pirates. And as for not being organized enough...WELL GET ORGANIZED! What, it's another corps fault because you are too dang lazy to get your act in gear. And don't tell me the majority of you would pass up a NAP with pirates outa principle! I know for a fact if I had the option then I would concider it. I know some of you would spit in their face and my hats off to you. The last thing, why the heck are we asking TTI to take care of it! Last time I checked and read their web site, they were just a business group. They have a small sub division of defense, but thats it. I'm not saying they couldn't put up a fight, but aren't there purely Military corps out there? Why the heck are you guys not bothering them! It's like asking Bill Gates to fight a war for you, just because he can throw the most money at the problem! TTI has solved the problem for themselves so it's time for everyone else who was trying to ride on their coat tails to move on to plan B. There seems to be no shortage of 'Moral leaders' out there, time to put your money where your mouth is. If you are not 'greedy' people who's sole concern is ISK then lead us to the Holy land! Get organized and solve the problem that you are more than happy to force onto others! In short, Put up or shut up and take your nap
Jash Illian	Posted - 2003.06.26 17:22:00 - [61] << The problem just doesnt exist till it happens to you. Up till yesterday id have said the same as Jash - whats all the fuss about. But I did get attacked in what Id always considered safe space, and my Thorax was almost destroyed in 20seconds flat - In this instance I escaped, but was a close run thing. I have to say tho those mo0 boys hit hard and fast. If we stop the PvP in EVE we will loose too much - the game will become bland. We really do just have to deal with the pirates as players either by runing, fighting or just plain avoiding. We will all suffer losses at some point in time. CEO - >> The 'menace' just doesn't exist. The numbers availible to us don't show a menace. Logic says there isn't a 'menace'. Yes, we might suffer a loss at the hands of pirates at some time in the future. I prefer to that that I will suffer a loss and plan accordingly. But even when that situation occurs for me, that encounter would have to happen constantly for a long time before it ever came near taking up a large portion of my playtime. Using good sense and better tactics, I've done business in the same sectors as well known pirates. Maybe Setec or DelZon weren't out looking for prey. I wouldn't know because I avoided them. It strikes me as extremely odd there's a 'menace' out there that barely exists and can be avoided almost all of the time. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Jash Illian Minmatar Light Brigade Industries L.L.C.	Posted - 2003.06.26 17:22:00 - [62] << The problem just doesnt exist till it happens to you. Up till yesterday id have said the same as Jash - whats all the fuss about. But I did get attacked in what Id always considered safe space, and my Thorax was almost destroyed in 20seconds flat - In this instance I escaped, but was a close run thing. I have to say tho those mo0 boys hit hard and fast. If we stop the PvP in EVE we will loose too much - the game will become bland. We really do just have to deal with the pirates as players either by runing, fighting or just plain avoiding. We will all suffer losses at some point in time. CEO - >> The 'menace' just doesn't exist. The numbers availible to us don't show a menace. Logic says there isn't a 'menace'. Yes, we might suffer a loss at the hands of pirates at some time in the future. I prefer to that that I will suffer a loss and plan accordingly. But even when that situation occurs for me, that encounter would have to happen constantly for a long time before it ever came near taking up a large portion of my playtime. Using good sense and better tactics, I've done business in the same sectors as well known pirates. Maybe Setec or DelZon weren't out looking for prey. I wouldn't know because I avoided them. It strikes me as extremely odd there's a 'menace' out there that barely exists and can be avoided almost all of the time. I mean its like you want corporations to oblige each other like its sex or something. Pffft I would rather *** my enemy.- Rohann Be careful out there. That other guy waiting in the queue for the gate MIGHT be a baby-munching frock-burner, YOU JUST DON'T KNOW!*- Lallante
Athren Soulsteal	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:02:00 - [63] for those of you (that are not pirates or pirate wananbees) and dont see a problem take a look at this picture I took a few min ago: http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/moongate/images/baddies.jpg now whats wrong with it. Hint. I see this 7-10 times a day. Pirate corps are spreading faster than the ,,,,,, Soon there will will be nothing but pirate corps and they will only be able to attack each other.. Oh wait thats happed already. Molly, after you look at the picture then say someting like. So there 2 new pirate groups in .9 space so what. Or so pirates have feelings too. Or at least respond with some wit. I did not say I only see pirates I said, "I see 7-10 new pirate groups a day". Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 27/06/2003 01:19:42
Athren Soulsteal Gallente Orion Faction	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:02:00 - [64] for those of you (that are not pirates or pirate wananbees) and dont see a problem take a look at this picture I took a few min ago: http://www.angelfire.com/realm2/moongate/images/baddies.jpg now whats wrong with it. Hint. I see this 7-10 times a day. Pirate corps are spreading faster than the ,,,,,, Soon there will will be nothing but pirate corps and they will only be able to attack each other.. Oh wait thats happed already. Molly, after you look at the picture then say someting like. So there 2 new pirate groups in .9 space so what. Or so pirates have feelings too. Or at least respond with some wit. I did not say I only see pirates I said, "I see 7-10 new pirate groups a day". Edited by: Athren Soulsteal on 27/06/2003 01:19:42 Quote: Think about the people that did fight you fairly. Think.... that were honorable and helped you out in times of need. Those are the real heroes of EVE. I wish I could fit all the Quote
Molly	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:04:00 - [65] What a bull****. If you only see pirate corps, then you are blind and you really need to visit your doctor. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
Molly Gallente Doomheim	Posted - 2003.06.27 01:04:00 - [66] What a bull****. If you only see pirate corps, then you are blind and you really need to visit your doctor. --- "Molly > funny thing is, if they warn me for attacking in 1.0, why does a GM wish me luck doing so? Jash Illian > perverse sense of humor? Molly > lol Jash Illian > honestly tho, because he prolly doesn't know bships"
nobjockey	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:21:00 - [67] i agree.
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:31:00 - [68] Thats a whole lot of necromancy you're doing there......... Mods won't be happy chappies. -----------------------------------------------
nobjockey	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:32:00 - [69] Mods won't be happy chappies. Oh noes.
Merchantigus Minmatar Riot Zone	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:45:00 - [70] Edited by: Merchantigus on 05/12/2006 01:57:25 Edited by: Merchantigus on 05/12/2006 01:56:44 you know what enough for one day :/ enjoy the necromancy :) "When still up after 30 hours you are type this good you will not mmhmhmmhmmm."
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:51:00 - [71] lol, nice. Thanks for finding it. CTD/con-loss vs. log-out. A proposal for a fix.
Michayel Lyon The Corporation	Posted - 2006.12.05 01:56:00 - [72] First thought: This thread might be interesting. Second thought: Wtf is TTI? Never heard of them... Third thought: ... and why does he mention mOo in the same sentence? Fourth thought: Argh, bloody necro! --- Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied? Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions

Xorus Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.05 09:42:00 - [73] No we won't, stop necroing threads ---

Uncle BillyBob	Posted - 2006.12.05 11:51:00 - [74] It's alive....AALLLIIIVVEEEE!!!!!!!!
Kagura Nikon	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:05:00 - [75] Add haligur to the list of system you don't wanna go trough
DaChMon Caldari FireTech Imperium Alliance	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:06:00 - [76] who in gods name dug up this 4 year old piece of junk ? ------ My oppinion, views, flames, whines, discussions, rants and all other postings are not the view of my corp, my alliance, or anyone affiliated with me or my family.

Huitzilopochtli Tlaloc Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2006.12.05 12:12:00 - [77] Seems Xor missied the click click locked. - Thanks Hutch. ____ forum rules \| Email us They call me "Hutch" because my name is well... long


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