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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:46:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:It is important to note that history is written by the victors. GǪwhich is deeply unfair to the Oscars and Antons.
GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
CONCORD spawns: quick enough to save you?
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ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
136
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:47:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote: id speculate that the current war has more potential.
CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.
Exciting times
I'd speculate that Goons have the stick-ability to handle a protracted campaign on the other side of the universe. The issue to contend with will be the upcoming tech nerf.
I'm tempted to speculate that controlling Delve is more about moon income diversity than goons are willing to say, but such speculation would be futile. |
pussnheels
442
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Posted - 2012.07.02 07:52:00 -
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a good piece of reading tho pretty onesided , still very interesting for anyplayer younger than 5 years
Empires come and go like the tide
I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:05:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:hedge betts Shiyurida wrote: id speculate that the current war has more potential.
CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.
Exciting times
I'd speculate that Goons have the stick-ability to handle a protracted campaign on the other side of the universe. The issue to contend with will be the upcoming tech nerf. I'm tempted to speculate that controlling Delve is more about moon income diversity than goons are willing to say, but such speculation would be futile. there is also IRC. If they get their heads out of their holes. Raiden are butt hurt. The list goes on.
I would not say it's an anti goon/cfc thing but 0.0 is dead and a circular war spanning the universe would be epic
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Xercodo
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Dark Matter Coalition
1171
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:13:00 -
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That.
Was.
Amazing.
The Drake is a Lie |
Alaya Carrier
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
46
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:32:00 -
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ModeratedToSilence wrote:It is important to note that history is written by the victors.
... and that it repeats itself. |
Ghost Xray
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
121
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:49:00 -
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I was there.
My memory is hazy on this, but I can remember when MC rolled into the D2 systems (I was part of a meat shield corp living in their systems - VFK-IV in fact) and we got crushed while D2 barely sent any help. Not cool D2, not cool.
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Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
Sanctuary Pact
772
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Posted - 2012.07.02 08:57:00 -
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What an excellent read about a truly awe-inspiring sequence of events. How can one not appreciate the planning, the sadness, the anger and frustrations which must have been rife for years ? I have actually filed your post in my Eve History folder, James, for I do not often have the pleasure of reading such a well-written account of a war which raged on many fronts, over several years. For a game. The politics and the organisation involved must have been monumental.
Astonishing. A must-keep article.
Thank you Sir, your article inspired me and set the theatre of my mind through a vast galactic journey of war, fear, courage, rage, vengeance and unity.
*Salutes*
The universe is an ancient desert, a vast wasteland with only occasional habitable planets as oases. We Fremen, comfortable with deserts, shall now venture into another. - STILGAR, From the Sietch to the Stars. |
Lord Zim
978
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:19:00 -
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hedge betts Shiyurida wrote:id speculate that the current war has more potential.
CFC are going head to head with soco. Goons have pissed off a lot of high sec players,. CFC have to be mindful not to get into a trench war or they could find them self fighting a three ground war.
Exciting times
Personally I'd be highly surprised if it lasts more than a month or two, simply because one side'll get rolled a few times, parts of it will find other games to play, and the entire soco'll collapse and retreat to NPC stain. I'd love for it to be the one war I'm involved in which lasts more than a few weeks of active conflict before the pure structure grind sets in. |
Akiyo XI
Black Rebel Rifter Club
The Devil's Tattoo
50
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:22:00 -
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intriguing.....
A nice bit of EVE history that deserves a sci-fi film adaptation
"the wise speak only of what they know" |
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Anna Djan
Banana Corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 09:54:00 -
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"Those who don't learn from the past are destined to repeat it".
Goons = The new BoB. |
Nirnias Stirrum
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
203
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:06:00 -
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Epic read! thanks. |
Rellik B00n
Lethal Death Squad
144
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:22:00 -
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Xython wrote:Rellik B00n wrote:well i didnt read any of that.
the turning point of eve was the introduction of the capital ship class.
see?
i did it in one sentence. So you're trolling and offering nothing to the conversation? Good to know. Get out.
no you.
fake edit: also you are incorrect on both counts, please try and dock your pod in jita sometime soon so i can punish you for these actions.
qfmjt-1 |
Elmanketticks
State Protectorate
Caldari State
22
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:29:00 -
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Would read again! Thanks for the history lesson!
FOR THE STATE! |
trollerii
Evil Eye corp
0
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Posted - 2012.07.02 10:44:00 -
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I wonder what great wars will come in the next decade of this amazing game. EVE is truly a game that can keep campaigns and events going for months or even years. The game is TOO DAMN GOOD |
admiral root
Red Galaxy
Persona Non Gratis
73
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Posted - 2012.07.02 11:24:00 -
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Thoroughly enjoyable read. Thanks for the history lesson. |
terzslave
Vendetta Rising
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
2
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Posted - 2012.07.02 11:56:00 -
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WHAT HAPPENS NEXT!?!?!? Please finish............ |
Miles Parabellum
The Grindmonkeys
14
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:17:00 -
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I have zero idea about how nullsec works, but the story was pretty cool.
I'd read again :) |
Hemmo Paskiainen
Silver Snake Enterprise
Against ALL Authorities
334
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:28:00 -
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This 'Great War' doesnt start in summer..... its starts when the summer is over.... ppl are back from their holidays, the weather has gone terrible again and when the kiddies in mom's basement are heading back to school again.....
CCP FIX BLACK OPS FFS |
King Aires
Coffee Sipper's Club
Biggby Coffee Fan Club
19
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:30:00 -
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While my friends and I spent a relatively short amount of time in Period Basis fighting the southern flank of BoB, it was the best time I ever had in this game. We failed to accomplish the removal of BoB, but ultimately in the end, BoB was vanquished.
It is funny how you think the game would only be better if you get rid of that One evil thing, then to realize it was what kept this game together for so many people. I think since BoB is gone many are lost, Goons and Co. might actually be worse for the game, and most of my long time friends have since left to other pastures.
Hard to think it is the same EVE to be honest.  |
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Watooshi Makoochji
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
3
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:54:00 -
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Propaganda or not, well written and very interesting James 315!
However, your central premise, that Goons heroic resistance of BoB 'saved' the game, exemplified in the following quote
Quote:Had the Goons retreated, or had BoB succeeded in its goal of defeating the RSF, it is no exaggeration to say that no one reading this thread would be playing EVE today. BoB's dream of total control of EVE would have been realized, but EVE would have died as a result.
is baldly speculative and quite possibly grossly exaggerative.
Certainly the history is fascinating, and I imagine that your version of it is a reasonably accurate and complete rendition. But stating in such an absolute way that "Goon's resistance" saved the day is over the top.
This sort of rhetoric tends to arouse suspicion and mistrust among the levelheaded neutrals of the universe and seems likely to provide 'ammuntion' for your detractors.
You did a good job of saving up and leaving the most outrageous hyperbole till that final paragraph. But I reckon your overall success at enthralling or beguiling your readers would've been strengthened had you simply said something like:
"By refusing to retreat, and thwarting BoB in its goal of defeating the RSF, Goons certainly contributed decisively to the shape of the EVE online world today. One might even wonder aloud, 'If BoB's dream of total control of EVE had been realized, might EVE online have died as a result?"
There you see? Now instead of making the speculative and empirically untestable _assertion_ that Goons are heroes who saved EVE from death as a game, you simply plant the question in your readers head as to whether Goons MIGHT be the hero 
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JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 12:58:00 -
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Also, back then, nor do do I think now that MC were pet's of BOB when everything took place. BOB was their employers in the long term and paying MC quite a nice chunk of change during it all.
At one point MC was commonly believed to have one of the largest capital fleets in the game. (Back then it was carriers and dreads) I wouldn't have been surprised if theirs even rivaled BOBs. |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:07:00 -
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Oh and for those of you who have never seen it....
This video is worth watching and portions of it relate to the threads topic.
Epic Video ---> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYEaPLCCIrY |
Danfen Fenix
130
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:21:00 -
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Great read, taught me quite a bit 
Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ?  |
JC Anderson
Noir.
Noir. Mercenary Group
663
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:25:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Great read, taught me quite a bit Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ?
They were originally a group of new players that was tired of getting kicked around by other "established" powers. So they did something about it. :P
Things change. |
hedge betts Shiyurida
State Protectorate
Caldari State
41
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:31:00 -
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JC Anderson wrote:Danfen Fenix wrote:Great read, taught me quite a bit Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ? They were originally a group of new players that was tired of getting kicked around by other "established" powers. So they did something about it. :P Things change. and now they are the one's kicking other players down because they can
Cup the balls, and work the shaft |
Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
1
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Posted - 2012.07.02 13:51:00 -
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Awesome read James .. Thanks!!!
I do hope you do a follow up article on the Death of BoB |
Jafit
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
267
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:13:00 -
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We need a historically inaccurate movie recreation of the saga of nullsec.
Like Game of Thrones but with more local spam.
Game of Drones? No... no that's dumb. |
Zyress
The Fabulous Thunderbirds
111
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:21:00 -
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Danfen Fenix wrote:Great read, taught me quite a bit Gotta say though, imo, the goons from back then sound so much more...'respectable' ? (can't think of another word... :P ), then they are now. What happened to them ?
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. They went from being the courageous resistance to becoming the evil empire. They have no one to fight in null-sec so they come to empire to kick the carebears around. |
Cause Effect
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
39
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Posted - 2012.07.02 15:40:00 -
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Makes me sad that I only started this game back at the start of 2011
Really nice to read about the history of this game |
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