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Sariton Xavian
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Posted - 2010.03.15 08:22:00 -
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In terms of risk of dying, an under-rated mission especially for those relying on any speed for their tanking, is Stop the Thief.
It is Mercs so they spray a rainbow of damage on you requiring an omnitank. The frigates have one of the highest incidence of webbing I've seen in any mission. There are 10 frigates in the mission and on a number of occassions I've seen all 10 of them web.
In my first year of running level 4s, I lost 1 ship - and it was to this mission. Granted I was trying to blitz it by popping the trigger straight up and going for the throat, but still. You should always be aligned when you pop the trigger unless you are confident it isn't going to spawn right on top of you. Mercenary Commanders do surprising damage under 20km, especially against a speed tanker burried under a mountain of webs :) |
Jowen Datloran
Caldari
Science and Trade Institute
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Posted - 2010.03.15 09:47:00 -
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I know these might be out of scope for the question in the OP, but I think the final encounter missions in the level 4 epic arcs are the hardest. If nothing else, then because the NPCs in those have "advanced AI" like Sleeper drones.
"Across the Line" from the Caldari arc is particular nasty as you are pretty much permanently jammed and unable to target and if you launch drones the NPCs will just shoot them while jamming you.
"The Right to Rule" from the Amarr arc is also a difficult mission with not only one, but two stages of tricky encounters where trigger management is extremely important to survive.
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Mr. Science & Trade Institute
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Dacryphile
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:44:00 -
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 Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Nevermind, then. I HAVE flown a Hound into other missions before, not a stabber though. I ninja sec status and bounties with TPs and Bane torps.
Isn't it quicker to just do the missions yourself?
Also, flying a Vargur inside some places like Mordus Headhunters (where you are at like 15km off a red cloud in the first ship, the second is probably going to take pocket aggro) sounds shaky for your wallet.
Its one of the best source of tears though, especially if you can scoop the mission completion loot.
Originally by: Doc Robertson
...take a good look at this pic and tell us which one is you.
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Gwen Ingolffson
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Posted - 2010.03.17 21:49:00 -
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I've done a few of these in a blaster Proteus (I say a few because I don't run a lot of missions).
Angels Extravaganza was the only one I had to run from. Haven't done EA but Worlds Collide (Serp/Guristas) was easy enough.
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Turiel Demon
Minmatar
Celtic industries
F A I L
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Posted - 2010.03.17 23:48:00 -
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'Smash the Supplier' is the single hardest mission there is.
Compared to every other mission it really is off the scale to the point of only being possible if you blitz it and even that isn't easy. I don't mission much anymore but that's one I'll turn down every time even with a 2.5b Vargur that can happily waltz through any other mission.
If you can't beat Eris, join her, hmmm that sounded so much better in my head - Cortes
Don't be greedy :P -Cap |
Ick Ickagami
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Posted - 2010.03.18 13:14:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon
'Smash the Supplier' is the single hardest mission there is.
Compared to every other mission it really is off the scale to the point of only being possible if you blitz it and even that isn't easy. I don't mission much anymore but that's one I'll turn down every time even with a 2.5b Vargur that can happily waltz through any other mission.
Smash the Supplier can be done in 10 minutes with NO tank whatsoever.
Take an Ishtar or a Domi, load up 5 Wardens and 2 drone link augmentors.
Warp in, motorboat AWAY from the tower until you are 86km away from it.
Stop, drop the drones and let them have at the tower.
As soon as the first sentry starts getting shot at, scoop it up and go have yourself a cup of tea.
10 minutes later the tower is dead and you are warping home without ever having been shot at.
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Sae'a
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Posted - 2010.03.18 17:38:00 -
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Originally by: Jowen Datloran
I know these might be out of scope for the question in the OP, but I think the final encounter missions in the level 4 epic arcs are the hardest. If nothing else, then because the NPCs in those have "advanced AI" like Sleeper drones.
"Across the Line" from the Caldari arc is particular nasty as you are pretty much permanently jammed and unable to target and if you launch drones the NPCs will just shoot them while jamming you.
"The Right to Rule" from the Amarr arc is also a difficult mission with not only one, but two stages of tricky encounters where trigger management is extremely important to survive.
the caldari final mission isnt that hard anymore, since you can use eccm on npc, with
two eccm2 i get an sensorstrenght of 50 at my golem, and wasnt jammed much (2-3 times)
EA5 is difficult, unless you got a descent tank |
JordanParey
Suddenly Ninjas
Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service
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Posted - 2010.03.18 17:45:00 -
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Originally by: Dacryphile
Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
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Nevermind, then. I HAVE flown a Hound into other missions before, not a stabber though. I ninja sec status and bounties with TPs and Bane torps.
Isn't it quicker to just do the missions yourself?
Also, flying a Vargur inside some places like Mordus Headhunters (where you are at like 15km off a red cloud in the first ship, the second is probably going to take pocket aggro) sounds shaky for your wallet.
Its one of the best source of tears though, especially if you can scoop the mission completion loot.
Did that with the Vargur as well 
Popped the pleasure hub while the bear was busy shooting BS (after I popped a few of the battleships myself) scooped the Damsel, and warped off.
10m for a few minutes' worth of work, unfortunately I didn't get any tears  |
surfskater2003
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Posted - 2010.03.22 13:59:00 -
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I recently started doing level 4 missions. I have been playing for 8 months now with 6.6mil SP mostly in combat (missiles and shield, caldari) I was doing level 3's for a long time and had access to level 4's. My second mission ever was Recon 1/3. I had never heard anything about it being hard so I thought it was going to be easy if I killed everything in there. Boy was I wrong! My first go at it I almost got popped and decided I was going to bed. The next day I tried it again and lost my Raven! Luckily I had insurance so I only realy lost my pride and over half my modules on it. That was replaced with 8 mil isk so it wasn't too bad. Then I realized how to do it. I warped in with 4 mission specific hardeners and ran out of cap and was jammed so I couldn't leave the first time. Then I realized I can stick around long enough to kill the scrams and the jams if I fit a large cap booster with 800 charges. After I figured that one out it was easy so I farmed it for a few days for the 1.6 -1.2 mil bounties and the arbalest cruise launchers. That is just my 2 cents for anyone having trouble with it (that is if you want to stick around and kill everything instead of blitzing it.)
my fit was:
highs
6 arbalest cruise launchers and
(2) 200mm rails (for the frigs)
meds
3 mission spec hardeners
heavy cap booster with 800's
c5-l x-large shield booster
shield boost amp
lows
damage control
3 balistic control systems
power diagnostic unit
no rigs
Let me know if I could have fit better. This seemed to be the only thing that worked well.
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Sigaar
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:11:00 -
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The only mission i ever lost ships on is Stop the Thief i guess.
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Vaerah Vahrokha
Minmatar
Vahrokh Consulting
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:33:00 -
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I am starting to get concerned. I have yet to lose any ship since doing L2s, does it mean that statistically I am due to lose a BS soon? 
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fivetide humidyear
Gallente
Fool Mental Junket
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Posted - 2010.03.22 14:52:00 -
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Originally by: JordanParey
I ninja sec status 
thought i was the only one who did that :), often happens as my sec gets close to -5 i get a run of rubbish non sec donating missions, can be a fast way to get sec by scanning missions next door and getting a quick boost.
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demonfurbie
Minmatar
The Maverick Navy
IT Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.22 18:49:00 -
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if your smart and know your triggers most missions are easy
the only one if you choose to kill it is smash the supplier and ea 5/5
smash can be done with a heavy missile tengu in under 5 min just orbit the control tower at 92km and dont shoot till you start the arc of the orbit with the ab perma running
ea just about the same thing
i dont kill the npcs i speed/sig tank them and kill the objective
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Von Kapiche
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.22 21:52:00 -
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Originally by: Vaerah Vahrokha
I am starting to get concerned. I have yet to lose any ship since doing L2s, does it mean that statistically I am due to lose a BS soon?
Not lost a ship in a mission since the old cap/shield sync bug got fixed. Was one rep away from losing a domi, but it got itself out in time, and I've never actually lost a BS to NPCs.
Lost a bunch of ships in plexes & random static encounters, but they are generally more vicious than missions.
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genette devo
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.23 05:34:00 -
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I hate buzzkill, not because it's hard
but because it takes me 8 years to finish as a hybrid user
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Dotard
Minmatar
Com-Star
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Posted - 2010.03.31 17:07:00 -
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To me anything with spawn triggers is easy. Triggered spawns are avoidable until you're good to go, end of story. Enemies Abound is only really tough if you have ****ty speed - having no problems in my Sleipnir with that. If you know your mission you are pretty much safe imho. It gets dangerous when you try to blitz certain missions. The Damsel in Distress with all spawns = crazy dps. Since your are only listing normal missions I would vote Enemies Abound for BS sized ships.
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Seriously Bored
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:08:00 -
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Originally by: Turiel Demon
'Smash the Supplier' is the single hardest mission there is.
Compared to every other mission it really is off the scale to the point of only being possible if you blitz it and even that isn't easy. I don't mission much anymore but that's one I'll turn down every time even with a 2.5b Vargur that can happily waltz through any other mission.
Really, with a Vargur? I only did the mission once, because I had heard such horror stories and wasn't eager to tank my already poor standings.
I came with a dozen cap boosters to sustain my tank, and didn't use a single one.  Killed all the spawns, too. I think if you spew enough DPS it isn't all that bad. Of course, I went straight to the site after accepting the mission...dallying is what seems to kill most people.
But yeah, I'd agree with the general sentiment that if you have experience and proper intel, there really aren't any hard L4s.
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