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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.11.28 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: DHU InMe on 28/11/2004 22:34:43
It cost me 4553isk for an 4480 value mineral
Micro Capacitor Battery and 1000loyalty point.
It not good enough.
By accepting the deal, I didn't make money, i event lost some. I have 100% ref skill and standing, I lose 73isk/module. I had 276 gift.
20k net loss + 1000 loyalty (at 160LP/mission, it make around 7 missions). Not bad itself, but no one buying those crapy modules anyway.
You should cut somewhere in the evaluation of those modules like a good 20% (3584 +896isk/module profit on recycling. 247k)of recycling, so even if it not good modules, you still make some $.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.11.28 22:24:00 -
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Edited by: DHU InMe on 28/11/2004 22:34:43
It cost me 4553isk for an 4480 value mineral
Micro Capacitor Battery and 1000loyalty point.
It not good enough.
By accepting the deal, I didn't make money, i event lost some. I have 100% ref skill and standing, I lose 73isk/module. I had 276 gift.
20k net loss + 1000 loyalty (at 160LP/mission, it make around 7 missions). Not bad itself, but no one buying those crapy modules anyway.
You should cut somewhere in the evaluation of those modules like a good 20% (3584 +896isk/module profit on recycling. 247k)of recycling, so even if it not good modules, you still make some $.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 09:22:00 -
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No one FORCED you to accept the offer...you lose nothing for turning it down.
I got offered a 200mm Hybrid for a vast amount of Guristas Tags and Loyalty points...
/me thinks for a microsecond...
NO!
See? It's easy...
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 09:22:00 -
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No one FORCED you to accept the offer...you lose nothing for turning it down.
I got offered a 200mm Hybrid for a vast amount of Guristas Tags and Loyalty points...
/me thinks for a microsecond...
NO!
See? It's easy...
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.11.29 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 29/11/2004 09:43:02
I got 133 toxic waste (illegal to carry around) for 25 loyalty points, this from an agent that i had done 1 random mission for at some time of boredom.
It was borked so i never got to read the offer and i hope it didnt cost me more than all 25 lp's 
PS. I didnt have any items at that station so i didnt really care that i got no details.
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dabster
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Posted - 2004.11.29 09:39:00 -
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Edited by: dabster on 29/11/2004 09:43:02
I got 133 toxic waste (illegal to carry around) for 25 loyalty points, this from an agent that i had done 1 random mission for at some time of boredom.
It was borked so i never got to read the offer and i hope it didnt cost me more than all 25 lp's
PS. I didnt have any items at that station so i didnt really care that i got no details.
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Haratu
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:19:00 -
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By not taking some of the offers then you can save up loyalty points for a better deal later on. For example skill books and better ships.
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |
Haratu
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:19:00 -
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By not taking some of the offers then you can save up loyalty points for a better deal later on. For example skill books and better ships.
I roleplay... there is this computer game called "Earth - The First Genesis" where i play a character in the early 21st century. |
von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:22:00 -
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Of course you can turn offers down,
but since they should be either lucrative or cool,
and until now most of them are neither,
there seems to be a discrepancy... non?
von Steinroehder
IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
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von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:22:00 -
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Of course you can turn offers down,
but since they should be either lucrative or cool,
and until now most of them are neither,
there seems to be a discrepancy... non?
von Steinroehder
IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Area on 29/11/2004 10:32:37
It amazes and saddens me how many people are SO impatient in this game. "My first offer wasn't for a Tech 2 BP0 with a +7 implant thrown in free of charge so I'm gonna WHINE about it".
Geez, people, give it TIME.
LOYALTY points. Look up the definition. How is it rewarding loyalty if the agents give out cool offers to every Tom, Richard or Harry who happens to do one or two missions for him?
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:29:00 -
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Edited by: Grey Area on 29/11/2004 10:32:37
It amazes and saddens me how many people are SO impatient in this game. "My first offer wasn't for a Tech 2 BP0 with a +7 implant thrown in free of charge so I'm gonna WHINE about it".
Geez, people, give it TIME.
LOYALTY points. Look up the definition. How is it rewarding loyalty if the agents give out cool offers to every Tom, Richard or Harry who happens to do one or two missions for him?
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:44:00 -
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Yo misinterpreted my post.
I didn't ask for tech 7 stuff, but:
Every offer should either be cool or lucrative.
Meaning: An offer either
- requiring more input minerals/ISK/materials than the output sells for or
- giving a cheap mundane item
shouldn't be offered at all. When you think
that a lvl 3 agent gives several thousand ISK
as a bonus reward for a single mission,
the bonus reward for multiple missions should
be worth more (or be cooler). I can wait for
those, and wait for a long time...
I'd gladly spend lots of millions for a
'Steinroehder's small modal neutron blaster I' 
At least you shouldn't be suffering a financial
loss from accepting offers, and no, being able
to turn those down is no excuse for them being
there in the first place 
Cheers,
von Steinroehder
IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
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von Steinroehder
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Posted - 2004.11.29 10:44:00 -
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Yo misinterpreted my post.
I didn't ask for tech 7 stuff, but:
Every offer should either be cool or lucrative.
Meaning: An offer either
- requiring more input minerals/ISK/materials than the output sells for or
- giving a cheap mundane item
shouldn't be offered at all. When you think
that a lvl 3 agent gives several thousand ISK
as a bonus reward for a single mission,
the bonus reward for multiple missions should
be worth more (or be cooler). I can wait for
those, and wait for a long time...
I'd gladly spend lots of millions for a
'Steinroehder's small modal neutron blaster I'
At least you shouldn't be suffering a financial
loss from accepting offers, and no, being able
to turn those down is no excuse for them being
there in the first place
Cheers,
von Steinroehder
IONSTAR Foreign Affairs AttachÚ
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Cissy
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Posted - 2004.11.29 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cissy on 29/11/2004 12:26:01
ffs come back wheen you have a coupel of mils wort of lp...more lp=better rewards.....
muuuu im trolling or am i?
last line is my sig so take no ofence from it
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Cissy
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Posted - 2004.11.29 12:21:00 -
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Edited by: Cissy on 29/11/2004 12:26:01
ffs come back wheen you have a coupel of mils wort of lp...more lp=better rewards.....
muuuu im trolling or am i?
last line is my sig so take no ofence from it
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2004.11.29 14:59:00 -
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Do a statement of cash flows for your character. You will find that it didn't cost you a dime to accept the offer.
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 Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Zaintiraris
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Posted - 2004.11.29 14:59:00 -
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Do a statement of cash flows for your character. You will find that it didn't cost you a dime to accept the offer.
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Originally by: CCP Hammer
This game was so much better back before people knew math.
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.11.29 15:28:00 -
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named slaves or stuff would be nice for amarr as a useless but funny reward!
i'd like to see customized stuff like this in the game too.
minmatar could get a colored khumaak or whatever aso.
and now stop whining before something gets nerfed again!!!!
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.11.29 15:28:00 -
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named slaves or stuff would be nice for amarr as a useless but funny reward!
i'd like to see customized stuff like this in the game too.
minmatar could get a colored khumaak or whatever aso.
and now stop whining before something gets nerfed again!!!!
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.11.29 15:57:00 -
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The man has a point though... you people need to pay attention. He isn't expecting amazing loot rewards out of his agents offer, but the offers should at least be beneficial. If my agent offers me 60k ISK for 100LP and 5 of some item that costs 50k each, whats the point of the offer in the first place?
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Solant
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Posted - 2004.11.29 15:57:00 -
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The man has a point though... you people need to pay attention. He isn't expecting amazing loot rewards out of his agents offer, but the offers should at least be beneficial. If my agent offers me 60k ISK for 100LP and 5 of some item that costs 50k each, whats the point of the offer in the first place?
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:00:00 -
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What the first poster is trying to say is that the amount of LPSs+other stuff you have to give your agent arent worth the reward youd get at all.
Big reward or small, youre always paying to much.
Of course, high up stuff like faction ships can be worth quite a lot, so dunno there.
The offers ive seen for normal items up to now where funny 
If only my agent would offer me Anything. 3k LP and still no offers.
I dont care if the offer is worthless, i wanna get one 
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Joshua Foiritain
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:00:00 -
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What the first poster is trying to say is that the amount of LPSs+other stuff you have to give your agent arent worth the reward youd get at all.
Big reward or small, youre always paying to much.
Of course, high up stuff like faction ships can be worth quite a lot, so dunno there.
The offers ive seen for normal items up to now where funny
If only my agent would offer me Anything. 3k LP and still no offers.
I dont care if the offer is worthless, i wanna get one
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[Coreli Corporation Mainframe] |
Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
What the first poster is trying to say is that the amount of LPSs+other stuff you have to give your agent arent worth the reward youd get at all.
Big reward or small, youre always paying to much.
Of course, high up stuff like faction ships can be worth quite a lot, so dunno there.
The offers ive seen for normal items up to now where funny
If only my agent would offer me Anything. 3k LP and still no offers.
I dont care if the offer is worthless, i wanna get one
bring me 100 units of crash and for 200LP i'll offer you 50 slaves
couldn't restist, just consider yourself lucky for being a male gallente and asking for an offer
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Ethidium Bromide
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Posted - 2004.11.29 16:04:00 -
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Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
What the first poster is trying to say is that the amount of LPSs+other stuff you have to give your agent arent worth the reward youd get at all.
Big reward or small, youre always paying to much.
Of course, high up stuff like faction ships can be worth quite a lot, so dunno there.
The offers ive seen for normal items up to now where funny
If only my agent would offer me Anything. 3k LP and still no offers.
I dont care if the offer is worthless, i wanna get one
bring me 100 units of crash and for 200LP i'll offer you 50 slaves
couldn't restist, just consider yourself lucky for being a male gallente and asking for an offer
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:11:00 -
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So what you're saying is that the Agent isn't allowed to screw you over now and again?
Hel-lo?
Brief introduction to EVE for those who've been here less than 5 seconds...cos by that time you'll have figured it out...everyone screws everyone else. It's only fair that the Agents should get in on the act.
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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Grey Area
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:11:00 -
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So what you're saying is that the Agent isn't allowed to screw you over now and again?
Hel-lo?
Brief introduction to EVE for those who've been here less than 5 seconds...cos by that time you'll have figured it out...everyone screws everyone else. It's only fair that the Agents should get in on the act.
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* I'm ALLOWED to cheat. I'm a STARSHIP. *
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
The man has a point though... you people need to pay attention. He isn't expecting amazing loot rewards out of his agents offer, but the offers should at least be beneficial. If my agent offers me 60k ISK for 100LP and 5 of some item that costs 50k each, whats the point of the offer in the first place?
Yea right, someone understand something. Why such an invaluable offer had to be gave to some loyal agent runner ?
There already unvaluable blueprint original of cheap small ammo, or small/micro modules.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.11.29 17:50:00 -
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Originally by: Solant
The man has a point though... you people need to pay attention. He isn't expecting amazing loot rewards out of his agents offer, but the offers should at least be beneficial. If my agent offers me 60k ISK for 100LP and 5 of some item that costs 50k each, whats the point of the offer in the first place?
Yea right, someone understand something. Why such an invaluable offer had to be gave to some loyal agent runner ?
There already unvaluable blueprint original of cheap small ammo, or small/micro modules.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:18:00 -
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I would take Cap Booster 75 BPO for all 2200 of LP's right now...since MARKET has never been update to include them...
or Shield AMP Booster BPO... (yeah right) but would be nice
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Vigilant
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:18:00 -
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I would take Cap Booster 75 BPO for all 2200 of LP's right now...since MARKET has never been update to include them...
or Shield AMP Booster BPO... (yeah right) but would be nice
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Antione Allyne
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
So what you're saying is that the Agent isn't allowed to screw you over now and again?
Hel-lo?
Brief introduction to EVE for those who've been here less than 5 seconds...cos by that time you'll have figured it out...everyone screws everyone else. It's only fair that the Agents should get in on the act.
Thank you! That's precisely what I was thinking about the whole time I was reading this thread. Did it ever occur to anyone (besides Grey Area and myself) that the agent might be trying to pull a fast one on you? These guys are offering you side jobs on their own. They are not official missions for the corporation. Wouldn't it be logical to think that there might be a little self-interest on the part of the agent for some of these missions? Ok, that might be a little bit of a stretch, but it's a reasonable explanation for why some of these offers stink. I've turned down 3 offers already. My agent has wanted LP's in exchange for worthless Tech 1 modules. I realized all I could do with those modules was refine them, and I would be better off keeping my LP's, so I turned them down.
Would there be any sense to having super duper uber offers every time? The economy is imbalanced enough as it is. The solution is to either create boat loads of crap offers, with the occasional super duper one thrown in, or to have only super duper offers, but have to wait an eternity to get one. Now, which would you rather have?
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Antione Allyne
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:29:00 -
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Originally by: Grey Area
So what you're saying is that the Agent isn't allowed to screw you over now and again?
Hel-lo?
Brief introduction to EVE for those who've been here less than 5 seconds...cos by that time you'll have figured it out...everyone screws everyone else. It's only fair that the Agents should get in on the act.
Thank you! That's precisely what I was thinking about the whole time I was reading this thread. Did it ever occur to anyone (besides Grey Area and myself) that the agent might be trying to pull a fast one on you? These guys are offering you side jobs on their own. They are not official missions for the corporation. Wouldn't it be logical to think that there might be a little self-interest on the part of the agent for some of these missions? Ok, that might be a little bit of a stretch, but it's a reasonable explanation for why some of these offers stink. I've turned down 3 offers already. My agent has wanted LP's in exchange for worthless Tech 1 modules. I realized all I could do with those modules was refine them, and I would be better off keeping my LP's, so I turned them down.
Would there be any sense to having super duper uber offers every time? The economy is imbalanced enough as it is. The solution is to either create boat loads of crap offers, with the occasional super duper one thrown in, or to have only super duper offers, but have to wait an eternity to get one. Now, which would you rather have?
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:39:00 -
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"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
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j0sephine
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Posted - 2004.11.29 18:39:00 -
[36]
"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
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Techie Zero
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Posted - 2004.11.29 19:37:00 -
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I would be shocked to know that the ridiculousness of these offers was actually planned that way---to fool us.
I agree that these offers are really dumb and I would like to know if anyone has got one that was actually decent.
Originally by: j0sephine
"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
I don't know if I could go for this one with my agent...HE'S pretty ugly...
However I got a deal for you...
EVE-I.com~THE Info source |
Techie Zero
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Posted - 2004.11.29 19:37:00 -
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I would be shocked to know that the ridiculousness of these offers was actually planned that way---to fool us.
I agree that these offers are really dumb and I would like to know if anyone has got one that was actually decent.
Originally by: j0sephine
"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
I don't know if I could go for this one with my agent...HE'S pretty ugly...
However I got a deal for you...
EVE-I.com~THE Info source |
Hematic
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Posted - 2004.11.29 20:10:00 -
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The loot stinks because of buggy code.
I like the fact that there are some seriuous die hards here who would RP the situation.
But let's face facts:
1) Deadspace missions bugged.
2) Important missions bugged. The level 3 missions refer you to level 1 important missions and give level 1 rewards 20k or +1 implant.
3) Feature or bug not sure but sometimes important missions come back to back now. Of course since the reward is useless and the faction gain is 1/8 what it used to be, no big loss.
4) LP offers are likely the wrong level as well. I was offered a 125mm compressed rail from a level 3 agent.
You guys can RP that agents are trying to screw people over or whatever you want. I see bugs in the code, to each their own.
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Hematic
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Posted - 2004.11.29 20:10:00 -
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The loot stinks because of buggy code.
I like the fact that there are some seriuous die hards here who would RP the situation.
But let's face facts:
1) Deadspace missions bugged.
2) Important missions bugged. The level 3 missions refer you to level 1 important missions and give level 1 rewards 20k or +1 implant.
3) Feature or bug not sure but sometimes important missions come back to back now. Of course since the reward is useless and the faction gain is 1/8 what it used to be, no big loss.
4) LP offers are likely the wrong level as well. I was offered a 125mm compressed rail from a level 3 agent.
You guys can RP that agents are trying to screw people over or whatever you want. I see bugs in the code, to each their own.
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Watson
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Posted - 2004.11.29 22:04:00 -
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Heh, yeah. I got an offer to trade in some dogtags plus some minerals and some LP to get a bloddy Atron. Yawn... and this was from a pretty good level 3 agent... I'd expect better than that from a lv 3. |
Watson
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Posted - 2004.11.29 22:04:00 -
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Heh, yeah. I got an offer to trade in some dogtags plus some minerals and some LP to get a bloddy Atron. Yawn... and this was from a pretty good level 3 agent... I'd expect better than that from a lv 3. |
Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.11.29 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Maud Dib on 29/11/2004 23:42:57
Originally by: j0sephine
"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
Like your next five years aren't already spent.
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Maud Dib
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Posted - 2004.11.29 23:39:00 -
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Edited by: Maud Dib on 29/11/2004 23:42:57
Originally by: j0sephine
"These items are being offered to you by your agent:
one unit of Rattlesnake battleship BPC
The agent is requesting the following as payment for the item:
five years worth of sexual favours
all Loyalty Points"
decisions, decisions... o.O;
Like your next five years aren't already spent.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.12.01 00:05:00 -
[45]
bump.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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DHU InMe
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Posted - 2004.12.01 00:05:00 -
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bump.
Nice links (updated 20 Dec 04):
BP, bugs about them.
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