Originally by: Catheryn Martobi

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Yes, but debris on a road you can simply drive through is not a gameplay mechanic. It's just visual fluff. If a ship collided with an asteroid, it would either be destroyed or sent on a tangent. If it wasn't destroyed, the server would have to calculate which directing it went off in and how much damage was applied based on the trajectory and speed. Not only that but collision models would have to be created. Did you know that all ships and asteroids have a perfectly shperical collision model based on their two furthest points? That is why you sometimes bump a 'roid when you didn't even come close, or if you come at a titan from the side you can't even get near it. Its a huge jump from the system we have now to having accurate collision models, damage inflicting collisions and accurate trajectory tracking. I think it would be super sweet, but the server hardware isn't there yet.

They could meet us half-way and have ships just explode when they ran into each other, but I think that might raise some concerns.

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Originally by: Catheryn Martobi

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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Edited by: Mr Kidd on 13/03/2010 03:20:46
Is it me or is the whole concept of clothing reacting to physics kind of a slap in this face?

This is a.......SPACE GAME! Where are the frickin PHYSICS? Screw the clothing! Great, I'll be able to watch my fabrics obey physical laws as they draep across a stairway but my ship bounces off a station. You incarnia supporters are un-frickin-believable!!!

dra-pe....a bad word....really?!?

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Well, the fabric rendering is going to happen client side, meaning each computer running the game will draw up everything you see and only download data for where people are, but not their clothes. This means that no one will be seeing the exact same image (for instance if you see a bug in the clothing, it's likely no one else will see it). This is fine because it's not important to gameplay, however if we were to have ship physics, the Eve cluster would have to calculate and transmit everything, not only would that significantly increase the demand on the server, but bandwidth requirements would skyrocket. because Incarna wont be integral to gameplay, they can cram as much technology as they want into it.

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Originally by: Mr Kidd

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Why are you justifying not having more spatial physics in Eve versus justifying having second life in Eve? It doesn't have to be perfect. It doesn't have to be collision physics for every aspect of the game, and it doesn't have to be transmitted to everyone online or in a system, only those within a certain range. I understand there are technical considerations that need addressed. But that is what CCP is doing one way or the other. They're choosing to make technical considerations for a second life in Eve. In essence they're expending a great deal of time and effort, technically, to take Eve in a direction that detracts from game play as we know it in favor of game play that doesn't appear to contribute to what most players spend most of their time doing (grinding, missioning, mining, pvping, exploring) and will continue to do Eve even with walking in stations.

So, if having more spatial physics for the game play that we currently have is technically challenging and creating a walk in station environment is technically challenging, are you saying you would prefer walking in stations, what IMO amounts to fluff (i.e. not a lot of playability)? I'd rather they spend the time to rework the game for some more realism in space rather than reworking it purely for eye-candy.

If they added more spacial physics they could potentially change blob warfare by providing dynamic battlefields that currently and technically are 3 dimensional but are more suited to 2 dimensional tactics. By providing a physical landscape with some collision physics and other physics such as not being able to scan and see everything within a given range where fleets could hide behind moon's, planets, in belts, etc, much smaller fleets could potentially tackle the blobs with real, solid tactics. But hey, lets have walking in station because it's pretty. And oooooh, look at the way my fabrics glint in the lighting, flutter in the non-existent wind.

I've played a lot of games in my time and I can tell you that playability goes much further towards creating dedicated players than eye-candy does. At best eye-candy is a short term means to generate a larger player base on a small time scale. If that's the way Eve is going, and it sounds like it is, then the game is already on it's way out. Don't let the peak number of users you're seeing online these days fool you. That's being achieved without the coming eye-candy. Many decaying cycles are preceded with very positive performance characteristics. One only need look at STOL to know that eye-candy alone isn't enough to sustain a player base.

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Originally by: Cat o'Ninetails

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you guys will be kicking yourselves when i post the first annual profits from my beauty parlour lol

x

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Originally by: BearUkraine

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Hi all.

Who havent seen video from GDC: youtube

Also according to rus interview from GDC with Torfi Frans Olafsson, Producer at CCP Games, probably Incarna will not be as a winter expansion.

Proof (rus)

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Originally by: Jim Luc

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Idunno, I tend to think they probably are looking into ways of introducing a better physics engine into Eve, along with twitch-based combat frigates and stuff they've mentioned here & there.

http://www.blackprophecy.com/index.php?id=121

This is an interesting article, on the tech side of the physics thing, but as this is still un-released, I wait to see how well they can actually pull this off. Eve not only has to worry about the casual pilot or small fleet battles with 10 - 20, they also need to account for physics on the large scale, with thousands of players all in the same battle.

I really long for the day when networking power increases, and we can have hundreds of fast-paced combat frigates fighting other frigates & drones, while battleships and carriers are also on the field.

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Originally by: Razin

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Originally by: BearUkraine

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Hi all.

Who havent seen video from GDC: youtube

Also according to rus interview from GDC with Torfi Frans Olafsson, Producer at CCP Games, probably Incarna will not be as a winter expansion.

Proof (rus)

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What Torfi seems to have said is that 'player apartments' (as part of Incarna content) will not be released this year.

The interviewer did not specifically ask about Incarna release date.

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Originally by: Evelgrivion

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Oh God, PhysX? Great, now everyone who owns an ATI card won't be able to VIEW the fabric worth a damn, because PhysX is a proprietary to NVidia API. It's deliberately crippled from ATI graphics cards, meaning anyone using one won't be able to see the fancy, flowing fabric. How much is Nvidia paying you guys under The Way It's Meant to Be Played to segregate your player base by graphics chip brand?

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Originally by: Ghoest

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Edited by: Ghoest on 15/03/2010 21:23:08
I suppose its nice that they are doing something for the metrosexuals and gays but I would rather see them put some resources into fixing industry and science.

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Originally by: Kellyr

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you segregated yourself with your poor choice of gfx card and lack of pre purchase research. Everyone knows nvidia > ati.

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Originally by: Catheryn Martobi

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They could meet us half-way and have ships just explode when they ran into each other, but I think that might raise some concerns.

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