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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
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Posted - 2012.07.09 15:30:00 -
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Alphea Abbra wrote:Will there be anything akin to the CSM in Dust? Or will the CSM portfolio be expanded when DUST is released, then with DUST players voting? Or will DUST players have no elected say?
If you don't know / it's in the minutes / something else, then I will pout.
Hey now, we are the Council of STELLAR management. If we preside over all the stars I'm pretty sure that means the planets are our jurisdiction too! 
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4282
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:26:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Will there be anything akin to the CSM in Dust? Or will the CSM portfolio be expanded when DUST is released, then with DUST players voting? Or will DUST players have no elected say?
If you don't know / it's in the minutes / something else, then I will pout. Hey now, we are the Council of STELLAR management. If we preside over all the stars I'm pretty sure that means the planets are our jurisdiction too!
If the CSM is claiming representation rights over Dust, doesn't that mean that Dust players ought to be able to claim voting rights to the CSM?
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
389
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Posted - 2012.07.10 08:47:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Alphea Abbra wrote:Will there be anything akin to the CSM in Dust? Or will the CSM portfolio be expanded when DUST is released, then with DUST players voting? Or will DUST players have no elected say?
If you don't know / it's in the minutes / something else, then I will pout. Hey now, we are the Council of STELLAR management. If we preside over all the stars I'm pretty sure that means the planets are our jurisdiction too! If the CSM is claiming representation rights over Dust, doesn't that mean that Dust players ought to be able to claim voting rights to the CSM?
Oh Goody, a bunch of FPS Sony players voting on the CSM. That would end well for EvE.
Any Spelling, gramatical and literary errors made by me are included free of charge.
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4282
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Posted - 2012.07.10 10:25:00 -
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Leaving aside the comically indefensible idea that one's choice of video game platform entitles one to claim to be a superior human, that dilemma is what I'm getting at. Dust players might make exactly the same complaint about ridiculously pompous, entitled PC gamers (that's you, btw) giving self-serving feedback to CCP on their game, leaving Dust players without a right to formally represent themselves as Dust players.
Malcanis' Law: Any proposal justified on the basis that "it will benefit new players" is invariably to the greater advantage of older, richer players.
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Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
2043
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Posted - 2012.07.10 11:34:00 -
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I just finished the Content session, and updated the first post.
As for a DUST CSM, what CCP has said is that it is really too early to talk about it. I suspect that if DUST does well, we might end up with a couple of DUST players being elected to the CSM, but I would expect CCP would do separate elections. The topic has been discussed though.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2644
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Posted - 2012.07.10 14:12:00 -
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Frying Doom wrote:
Oh Goody, a bunch of FPS Sony players voting on the CSM. That would end well for EvE.
Well, they allowed YOU to vote.....
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
183
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Posted - 2012.07.10 16:15:00 -
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Will the minutes actually disclose who said what on the CSM? Using "A CSM member said they blah, blah, blah" as some sort of shield from back lash is a childish move guys. |
Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2644
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Posted - 2012.07.10 17:30:00 -
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Marconus Orion wrote:Will the minutes actually disclose who said what on the CSM? Using "A CSM member said they blah, blah, blah" as some sort of shield from back lash is a childish move guys.
Absolutely. We've been working hard to make sure that these are the most specific and informative CSM minutes to date. It's also why they're already over three times as long as the historical minutes.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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MeBiatch
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
466
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Posted - 2012.07.10 18:08:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes? Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out. 
bloody hell any way you guys can do this audio? that way i can listen to the minutes... my ADD wont allow me to read taht much...
PLEX FOR PIZZA!
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Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
171
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Posted - 2012.07.10 23:45:00 -
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Will there be a 5 page Nicole"s notes on the Minuets
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Frying Doom
Zat's Affiliated Traders
398
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Posted - 2012.07.11 01:47:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Frying Doom wrote:
Oh Goody, a bunch of FPS Sony players voting on the CSM. That would end well for EvE.
Well, they allowed YOU to vote.....
Yeah but that's just due to CSM6 inefficiency, the white paper for CSM elections does not say "Loonies may not vote"
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Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
183
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Posted - 2012.07.11 05:42:00 -
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Will spoons be thrown about? |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
2044
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:10:00 -
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Updated first post, we are down to 2 sessions, and Hans is already working on one of them. I also did a big editing pass on the minutes as a whole, and CCP has been approving them for NDA fairly quickly.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
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Chanina
ASGARD HEAVY INDUSTRIES
Viking Empire
19
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:12:00 -
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Nice to see that there is progress in the process. If you could get someone form web design to change the order from past meeting minutes would be nice. Don't want to scroll five pages down to read the latest one in a few years 
The Meeting itself is made up of many subjects, you could do a more continuous information flow if you would publish them in those blocks. And it wouldn't hit the play-base with a bible sized book 
There is a good website where the meeting minutes could be posted like dev blogs and reviewing might get less bulky. |
Cid Tazer
The Green Cross
1
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Posted - 2012.07.11 16:32:00 -
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Two Step, could you mark items differently if they are done and approved for NDA? |
MotherMoon
Blue Republic
RvB - BLUE Republic
957
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Posted - 2012.07.11 23:54:00 -
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Two step wrote:Updated first post, we are down to 2 sessions, and Hans is already working on one of them. I also did a big editing pass on the minutes as a whole, and CCP has been approving them for NDA fairly quickly.
thanks for making this year easy to follow. any update on that last one? come on! we're so close! can't you release them one day at a time as they finish? if in order?
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Alundil
The Unnamed.
152
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Posted - 2012.07.12 03:52:00 -
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Thanks for the updates. |
Marconus Orion
Massive PVPness
184
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Posted - 2012.07.12 08:40:00 -
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MotherMoon wrote:Two step wrote:Updated first post, we are down to 2 sessions, and Hans is already working on one of them. I also did a big editing pass on the minutes as a whole, and CCP has been approving them for NDA fairly quickly. thanks for making this year easy to follow. any update on that last one? come on! we're so close! can't you release them one day at a time as they finish? if in order?
As much as I would love to start reading some now, I believe the minutes being released a piece at a time would be bad. It would be like an important conversation with someone that you were only able to talk to for a minute at a time. This meeting deserves to be presented in one big go for us to consume at once.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
569
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Posted - 2012.07.13 02:54:00 -
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whao 2-3 more weeks, that is tough. Feels like the EVE skill queue waiting for the minutes to be released. Also excited for them, just checked the subjects being covered, makes it harder to wait. Hopefully a timely coma happens soon.
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
171
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Posted - 2012.07.13 02:56:00 -
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There is just going to much information over load if all the minutes are released at once. Nothing gets the tinfoil hattery it will deserve.
Keeping the CSM in the spot light for some time
The Goons are Coming, The Goons are Coming
Jita the April 28, Hulk a geddon April 29 for a month.
The Best Tears are the Geifer's Tears.
just hope the new crime watch system is in place by then.... oh the chaos will rain!!! |
Two step
Aperture Harmonics
K162
2044
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:26:00 -
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We are down to just one session, because Trebor is awesome and did the art panel yesterday. Hans was over half done with that last session, so hopefully it will be finished up today. The NDA review shouldn't take too long, I think there is a good chance the minutes will be out next week.
CSM 7 Secretary
CSM 6 Alternate Delegate
@two_step_eve on Twitter
My Blog
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Autocannons Anonymous
Late Night Alliance
2656
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Posted - 2012.07.13 14:54:00 -
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Yup, I'll have the last session finished up here today for sure. The UI session was quite long and I know you guys want to know exactly what they're thinking about implementing, especially since the UI was a feature that many have had some frustrations with recently. There's some very cool stuff in the works, but you guys deserve the details especially about the early concepts, so you can be as effective in your feedback as possible and prevent another Unified Inventory-style disappointment.
Thanks again to everyone for their patience, I hope you enjoy the results! You guys owe CCP Xhagen a big thanks as well, he's be right on top of this project the whole way, making sure each session begins its editing and approval path as soon as it rolls in.
Vice Secretary of the 7th Council of Stellar Management.
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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
574
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Posted - 2012.07.13 19:59:00 -
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So ****, you guys should apply to EON magazine, with such fast writing. Thanks
I will not be voting in the CSM election, so you need to go vote to make up for me. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
491
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Posted - 2012.07.13 21:40:00 -
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Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:Malcanis wrote:It's taken almost a month for you to get the first drafts of the minutes? Absolutely. We're already at over 120 pages, and that's not even including all of the sessions so far. Everyone asked for more transparency, this comes of course at the cost of added time, as we're finding out.
All this extra work due to a super secret nda is pretty crazy.
If ccp just did away with the nda they could just record the sessions release it on mp3 and be done with it. Actually I think they still could just delete the parts they feel are too secret for the players, and be done with it.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
172
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Posted - 2012.07.14 00:02:00 -
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oh oh... yes an edited MP3 of the minutes should be the next level of minute!!
Is sound editing would take 4 hours or work for 1 hour of editing that is without editing the NDA stuff.
Would be awsome but the minutes would not be out till Winter.
Poking fun here. I do appreciate the work you are doing, and I would not like to be in your shoes....
okay here is the bad Troll of the month....
With the amount of time the minutes are taking to get out the issue of NDA will be a mute point as we would have seen everything covered in the minutes.
okay putting tolly back under the bridge.
Keep up the solid work guys. Next CSM to out do you will have to do the minutes as an Audio file or a You tube presentation to tope you
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.14 03:11:00 -
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Gevlin wrote:oh oh... yes an edited MP3 of the minutes should be the next level of minute!!
Is sound editing would take 4 hours or work for 1 hour of editing that is without editing the NDA stuff.
Would be awsome but the minutes would not be out till Winter.
Poking fun here. I do appreciate the work you are doing, and I would not like to be in your shoes....
okay here is the bad Troll of the month....
With the amount of time the minutes are taking to get out the issue of NDA will be a mute point as we would have seen everything covered in the minutes.
okay putting tolly back under the bridge.
Keep up the solid work guys. Next CSM to out do you will have to do the minutes as an Audio file or a You tube presentation to tope you
Huh? Just record the actual sessions. They are only a few hours each. Kick those out.
Record the minutes of the meetings??? What are you talking about?
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Tres Farmer
Gallente Federation Intelligence Service
80
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Posted - 2012.07.14 06:13:00 -
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Is there no TextToSpeech tech ready yet for you folks to listen instead of reading?
I mean, this Siri thing can already talk and answer on your questions.. must be way easier just reading out sentences written by humans, no?
@CSM, good work! |
Gevlin
Universal Might
DSM FOUNDATION
172
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Posted - 2012.07.14 15:31:00 -
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On a marketing perspective for Current CSM>
The Next set of minutes, release section by section ie 1 per 2 days.
The amount of work involved to type out detailed minuets is causing a massive delay in their release. Making some tin foil hat wearers what the CSM is doing.
Bringing out the Minutes in chunks will keep the CSM in the front of the minds of the Players especially during this time when there has been 2 weeks of no dev blogs.
Also most of us Video game players have ADD and after 1 page its TLDR and all your work is gone for not.
So take a page from CCP , Don't make 1 big release, but several small one allowing the players to absorb it piece by piece.
(my crystal ball says there is too much information in the minutes and this will be the most quickly summarized minutes in CSM history TLDR)
Some day I will have the internet and be able to play again. |
Cearain
Imperial Outlaws
492
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Posted - 2012.07.14 16:45:00 -
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Tres Farmer wrote:Is there no TextToSpeech tech ready yet for you folks to listen instead of reading?
I mean, this Siri thing can already talk and answer on your questions.. must be way easier just reading out sentences written by humans, no?
@CSM, good work!
I'm not sure if this was directed to me but if so I am not really being clear. I am saying they should just record the actual meetings witth the devs and edit out the parts that they feel the players shouldn't hear. it would surely be much quicker, easier, more timely, and transparant than messing around with minutes months after the meeting.
personally I might listen to 2 or 3 sessions. Whatever intrests me.
Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
4318
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Posted - 2012.07.14 19:26:00 -
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Cearain wrote:Tres Farmer wrote:Is there no TextToSpeech tech ready yet for you folks to listen instead of reading?
I mean, this Siri thing can already talk and answer on your questions.. must be way easier just reading out sentences written by humans, no?
@CSM, good work! I'm not sure if this was directed to me but if so I am not really being clear. I am saying they should just record the actual meetings witth the devs and edit out the parts that they feel the players shouldn't hear. it would surely be much quicker, easier, more timely, and transparant than messing around with minutes months after the meeting. personally I might listen to 2 or 3 sessions. Whatever intrests me.
The problem there is the NDA parts aren't necessarily clearly defined and seperated from the OK parts.
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