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![Merdaneth Merdaneth](https://images.evetech.net/characters/665320754/portrait?size=64)
Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 21:26:00 -
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Let us examine the following assumptions:
1. Freedom is very important to people, they are attracted to it and desire as much of it as they can get. 2. Wealth is very important to people, they are attracted to it and desire as much of it as they can get. 3. More freedom allows more diversity. 4. Providence is relatively poor in raw resources (as null-sec regions go). 5. Providence under CVA stewardship has attracted more capsuleers than any other nullsec region 6. Providence under CVA stewardship has attracted a more diverse range of capsuleers than any other nullsec region 7. No capsuleers were forced or coerced to live in Providence
If we can agree on the assumptions, the question they raise is simple: Why would so many capsuleers choose to visit or live in Providence?
It cannot be because of wealth alone, since there are many more or equally attractive options. Would it perhaps be because of the combination of freedom and wealth. Perhaps it was the freedom to fly about unmolested? The freedom to mine in peace? The freedom to not bow to a master and pay him rent? The freedom to avoid get involved in nullsec politics?
Providence was a poor choice in attaining wealth by itself, but if gave the visitors great freedoms. The consequence of not being able to shoot passersby at random without negative consequences apparently paled besides the reduction of the risk of not being shot at by random passersby yourself.
Hence, these freedoms attracted capsuleers from all walks of life, from all races and from all corners of the universe. Not only did it attract them, it made the wealthy as well, as they were offered free access to most of the region's resources without the need to provide some form of restitution or the need to open diplomatic relations. They were free to come and go as they pleased.
CVA stewardship, being among the most strict and stern among the alliances provide predictability and stability. And the relative freedom from others trying to hurt them is what attracted the people. Providence was *the* most free region in New Eden by far. Because their stewards cared. Cared for more than just themselves. They care for people who didn't swear allegiance to them, they cared for people that didn't pay them rent, they cared for people that didn't always agree with their stance on politics or slavery.
If anything, the attack on Providence was an attack on freedom, perpetrated by the enemies of freedom.
Or are my assumption faulty? Is there perhaps another reason that Providence attracted so many different capsuleers?
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
![Forlorn Wongraven Forlorn Wongraven](https://images.evetech.net/characters/168061053/portrait?size=64)
Forlorn Wongraven
Universal Army Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.15 21:32:00 -
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Edited by: Forlorn Wongraven on 15/03/2010 21:32:26 I wish the Holders woul actually hit their weapon groups (defending their system and not getting wealthy) as much as they hit the "New topic" button on Galnet. ____________________
Lord Makk > I swear to god if there is a saviour, his name is Forlorn.
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![Andreus LeHane Andreus LeHane](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179995450/portrait?size=64)
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.15 21:35:00 -
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I've never heard Amarrians so bitter before. This must be a long-held wish finally come true. -----
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![Butter Dog Butter Dog](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943964550/portrait?size=64)
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.15 22:30:00 -
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Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 22:30:10 Providence under CVA was simply a collection of stagnated, worthless alliances who wanted nothing more than a 'sansha hunt for free' pass. It was a homogenous forced standings enclave of puppet regimes.
It was as predictable as it was dull. New Providence will be far more dynamic, and allow people to access 0.0 space under their own terms and initiative. Ambitious corporations and alliances across New Eden will surely rejoice at the news they no longer have to subserviently bow down to arrogant CVA overlords in order to gain their own space. ----------
~bitter dog~
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![Garreck Garreck](https://images.evetech.net/characters/329036612/portrait?size=64)
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:00:00 -
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The constant hair-splitting about CVA's 'version' of NRDS and U'K's 'version' of NRDS probably bores me as much as it bores my enemies...but Originally by: Butter Dog Ambitious corporations and alliances across New Eden will surely rejoice at the news they no longer have to subserviently bow down to arrogant CVA overlords in order to gain their own space.
Trying to sell "new" Providence as any different is rediculous, Butters. CVA and the Providence Holders are being systematically dismantled not because we are enemies of -A-...but because we dared to attempt strategic progress outside of Providence, and because we didn't back down when we were told to.
Ambition? That is what ambitious coporations and alliances can expect: pop up on the scope of the Southern Coallition as a strategic issue (varrying from annoyance to direct threat) and you will have the entire Southern Coallition dropped on your head as a result.
We got what was coming to us, make no mistake...but so will the next truly ambitious organization. Unless, of course, they're just plain better. The Southerm Coallition is creating a playground to their liking, and they are displaying for the whole Galaxy to see what happens when people don't play by their rules. The new Providence will be no different from the old Providence in that regard.
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![Tarran Tarran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/374394057/portrait?size=64)
Tarran
Black Swan Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:02:00 -
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Can someone from -A- et al please explain to me how the new Providence would be any different from other areas of 0.0 space? I'm not trying to flame - I seriously don't get it. Is it just that one of the main holder alliances (UK) would be NRDS, therefore reducing the number of ppl who would potentially shoot at you if yo hadn't wronged them?
As far as I can tell from previous posts, UK would not itself shoot anyone not red, but would not intervene to prevent or punish anyone who followed an NBSI policy in their space?
A lot of the posters on this topic assume that more ppl with access to 0.0 space is a good thing. I take it UK does not agree if the extra numbers are contingent on Providence being "0.0 Light" space?
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![Butter Dog Butter Dog](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943964550/portrait?size=64)
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:10:00 -
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Garreck, CVA gave permission for LFA to launch an assault into AAA space. There is no more to it than that. We all know that Providence is a collection of vassal states, and the odd puppet leader - indeed the friction between LFA and CVA was a direct result of you attempting to tell them what leader to install. And you were successful in installing a pupper leader in AM, for all the good it did them.
It's a simple truth that CVA wanted to build an 'empire', propped up by slave states who had to ask CVA's permission to so much as urinate in Providence. UK have no such ambition, we only seek to guard against the abomination of slavery.
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~bitter dog~
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![Garreck Garreck](https://images.evetech.net/characters/329036612/portrait?size=64)
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:15:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog Garreck, CVA gave permission for LFA to launch an assault into AAA space. There is no more to it than that. We all know that Providence is a collection of vassal states, and the odd puppet leader - indeed the friction between LFA and CVA was a direct result of you attempting to tell them what leader to install. And you were successful in installing a pupper leader in AM, for all the good it did them.
It's a simple truth that CVA wanted to build an 'empire', propped up by slave states who had to ask CVA's permission to so much as urinate in Providence. UK have no such ambition, we only seek to guard against the abomination of slavery.
Absolutely none of which is relevant to what I said. Keep focused, Butters.
Ambition that flies in the face of -A- interests will end in a Southern Coallition beatdown.
This is no different than the previous situation where ambition flying in the face of CVA interests would end in being red-listed.
The situation for outsiders has not changed one bit. You are flat lying to imply it has or will.
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![Butter Dog Butter Dog](https://images.evetech.net/characters/943964550/portrait?size=64)
Butter Dog
Gallente The Littlest Hobos Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:28:00 -
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This is simply incorrect - the ability for an entity to truly manage it's own affairs, including diplomatic relations, will certainly attract more ambitious corporations and alliances who can truly be called 'independent'.
Yes, attacking a powerbloc will probably result in a very bad outcome for them, but that is just common sense. ----------
~bitter dog~
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![Xyla Vulchanus Xyla Vulchanus](https://images.evetech.net/characters/319844160/portrait?size=64)
Xyla Vulchanus
Amarr Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:42:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth If anything, the attack on Providence was an attack on freedom, perpetrated by the enemies of freedom.
You speak of freedom as if it has a universal application. Are you really so dim?
U'K have always, and will continue to, fight for the freedom of Matari slaves and against the freedom of the Amarrian Empire to act howsoever it chooses, despite the suffering it leaves in its wake. Maybe a further 20 or 30 discussions on this point will enable the message to get across?
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![Archbishop Archbishop](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1033127867/portrait?size=64)
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:53:00 -
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The observations of Merdaneth are quite accurate. Where there was peace there is now war. Where there was the ability to live without fear now there is terror. Where people could come together and earn a living now there is poverty and despair.
The attack on Providence was an attack on freedom. Regardless of your views on slavery and the Amarr Empire the fact remains for years and years Providence was the safe place to go in 0.0 space. That is now gone. The future of pirate gangs roaming unmolested, of terrorists shooting everyone on site, of murder and slaughter, those are the days we have now. Those days replaced peace and stability. Those days replaced true "freedom".
Archbishop
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![Roderigo Borgia Roderigo Borgia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/246780038/portrait?size=64)
Roderigo Borgia
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:54:00 -
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ok i'm not really the person to explain this but i am in -A- so here how new providence will differ from old providence in my understanding of things
alliances unable to take space in the current 0.0 regions will be offered space in providence...
they will get the stations the upgrades etc etc etc, they can then do whatever they want - nbsi, nrds, the only restriction being placed on them is no sov war - so if they dont like there neigbours then its hard luck for them, they can try and drive them out but are not allowed to attack sov directly.
so its kinda like low sec but with the advantages of 0.0
wether the new alliances form a coalition to police the area or happily fight each other for good fights is entirely upto them. They have the freedom to do what they want but they will have to be able to accept running and hiding or fighting when hostiles appear, -A- will not be coming to save them.
now shall again say i'm in no way a spokesman for -A- but thats how i understand the plans for the area
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![Merdaneth Merdaneth](https://images.evetech.net/characters/665320754/portrait?size=64)
Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.15 23:58:00 -
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Originally by: Xyla Vulchanus You speak of freedom as if it has a universal application. Are you really so dim?
U'K have always, and will continue to, fight for the freedom of Matari slaves and against the freedom of the Amarrian Empire to act howsoever it chooses, despite the suffering it leaves in its wake. Maybe a further 20 or 30 discussions on this point will enable the message to get across?
Not at all. Ushra'Khan fights *against* those that support a society where slavery is acceptable. However, they misappropriate their fight as a struggle for freedom in general, while it is fairly clear that while the slaves' freedom benefits from the Ushra'Khan struggle, the freedom of capsuleers suffer. I'm fine with you arguing that a loss of capsuleer freedoms is an acceptable price to pay for the freedom of slaves. Just don't fall into the Star Fraction trap that Ushra'Khan was fighting for freedom in general or even that of capsuleers. It is rather evident to most people that Providence has become more closed to non-affiliated capsuleers than before.
Slave freedom gained, capsuleer freedom lost.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
![Chav Queen Chav Queen](https://images.evetech.net/characters/671983424/portrait?size=64)
Chav Queen
State Protectorate
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:00:00 -
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Actully nothing was enforced on people coming to providence other than they respect other people and dont commit any acts of violence on the locals.
Thats hardly what I would call opressive would you? You share a house with others you have to have a few ground rules to make sure everyone pulls their weight.
I dont know why you have such a problem with people who make their living shooting sancha pirates I bet there are some who do so in your corp. Stange coming from someone who advocates freedom, that you have such a loathing for anyone looking for a FREE sansha killing pass as you put it.
Obiously being free, and being free to kill rats in belt are two completly different things in your eyes.
There was much more to providence than just the corps and alliances there, It was the only part of 00 space I know of where space tourists could get thier first look at 00 sec without being hunted down like dogs by the locals.
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![Archbishop Archbishop](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1033127867/portrait?size=64)
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:08:00 -
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Originally by: Roderigo Borgia ok i'm not really the person to explain this but i am in -A- so here how new providence will differ from old providence in my understanding of things
alliances unable to take space in the current 0.0 regions will be offered space in providence...
they will get the stations the upgrades etc etc etc, they can then do whatever they want - nbsi, nrds, the only restriction being placed on them is no sov war - so if they dont like there neigbours then its hard luck for them, they can try and drive them out but are not allowed to attack sov directly.
So you plan to dictate to these people what type of war they are allowed to engage in? How is this any different from the "Standings Enclosurement" claims against CVA? Both require obedience to a "master" of sorts (either CVA or -A-) so what is the difference?
I assume the Ushra'Khan and Star Fraction will oppose this ordered "Warfare Enclosurement" policy by -A- and will take action against it? Anything else would be quite hypocritical of course.
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
![Merdaneth Merdaneth](https://images.evetech.net/characters/665320754/portrait?size=64)
Merdaneth
Amarr Angel Wing.
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:11:00 -
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Originally by: Roderigo Borgia alliances unable to take space in the current 0.0 regions will be offered space in providence...
I remember some vocal Star Fraction member saying that there would be no place for the weak and all that. Offering the weak a place in Providence seems very counter to what is proposed.
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia they will get the stations the upgrades etc etc etc, they can then do whatever they want - nbsi, nrds, the only restriction being placed on them is no sov war - so if they dont like there neigbours then its hard luck for them, they can try and drive them out but are not allowed to attack sov directly.
It seems that you desire Providence to be the next place for pod pilots without ambition or competence? You will police them and threaten them with expulsion by force if they don't follow your rules. Meanwhile you roam in the space and kill the pilots of the powers you installed there?
And you truly believe that will work?
If an alliance stops paying for sov, will they be allowed to remain, since another cannot take sov without your permission?
It seems like you are trying to build a kind of odd theme park.
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The Illusion of Freedom | The Truth about Slavery |
![Pimpertron Pimpertron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/382433224/portrait?size=64)
Pimpertron
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:12:00 -
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Edited by: Pimpertron on 16/03/2010 00:12:50
Originally by: Butter Dog Edited by: Butter Dog on 15/03/2010 22:30:10
New Providence will be far more dynamic, and allow people to access 0.0 space under their own terms and initiative. Ambitious corporations and alliances across New Eden will surely rejoice at the news they no longer have to subserviently bow down to arrogant CVA overlords in order to gain their own space.
What if their terms are they dont want anyone shooting at them the moment they jump through a gate? Who is going to respect that ? What your saying is bring a big enough gun because its going to be like the wild west around here and whoever has the biggest gun gets their way.
As for dynamic your having a laugh. It will become a wasteland with nothing but roaming gangs and gate camps just like the rest of 00 sec.
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![Darveses Darveses](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1767714451/portrait?size=64)
Darveses
DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:22:00 -
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Oh Archie, you're such an amusing voice on the IGS these days! ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
"CVA and allies have..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"UK is pushing forward into..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"NRDS will be..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"My underpants today..." "Yeah, but STAR FRACTION...!!"
--- Star Fraction Public - The new Channel
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![Andreus LeHane Andreus LeHane](https://images.evetech.net/characters/179995450/portrait?size=64)
Andreus LeHane
Gallente Mixed Metaphor
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:25:00 -
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Originally by: Pimpertron As for dynamic your having a laugh. It will become a wasteland with nothing but roaming gangs and gate camps just like the rest of 00 sec.
You know, I've never really understood what the problem with this idea was.
A cat is not a dog. A farmer is not a sailor. 0.0 is not Empire space. Pretending it was didn't really make it so. -----
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![Roderigo Borgia Roderigo Borgia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/246780038/portrait?size=64)
Roderigo Borgia
The Collective Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:34:00 -
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Originally by: Merdaneth
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia alliances unable to take space in the current 0.0 regions will be offered space in providence...
I remember some vocal Star Fraction member saying that there would be no place for the weak and all that. Offering the weak a place in Providence seems very counter to what is proposed.
Originally by: Roderigo Borgia they will get the stations the upgrades etc etc etc, they can then do whatever they want - nbsi, nrds, the only restriction being placed on them is no sov war - so if they dont like there neigbours then its hard luck for them, they can try and drive them out but are not allowed to attack sov directly.
It seems that you desire Providence to be the next place for pod pilots without ambition or competence? You will police them and threaten them with expulsion by force if they don't follow your rules. Meanwhile you roam in the space and kill the pilots of the powers you installed there?
And you truly believe that will work?
If an alliance stops paying for sov, will they be allowed to remain, since another cannot take sov without your permission?
It seems like you are trying to build a kind of odd theme park.
firstly the star fraction while currently have some similar targets as us have nothing to do with -a- and if we encounter them will shoot them
so what they say or said really is totally irrelevant to what we do
as for forcing rules on the people in providence - just one rule the rest is for them - the same offer was made to cva - so stop complaining - cva most certainly tells the holders where and what space they can have - and as i said that is my understanding of things only - some inter prvidence sov war might be tolerated i dont know but certainly no moves on -A- space (as defined by what we consider ours not what officially has sov, thought that should be spelled out since seems to be the ralling cry of cva and pets)
as for telling us we are destroying an area where people could go to avoid 0.0 politics etc then again looks to your leaders they involved providence in 0.0 polotics when they became a strategic threat on our boarders - that threat cant be tollerated so is being removed end of story - if you dont like what will replace it then stay in empire
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![Xina Tutor Xina Tutor](https://images.evetech.net/characters/704038464/portrait?size=64)
Xina Tutor
Amarr Black Arrows Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:39:00 -
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Hehe... we were a threat to -A- sov... Damn.
I want what he's smoking :P
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![Icarus3 Icarus3](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1928190179/portrait?size=64)
Icarus3
Gallente DAEDALUS X The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:42:00 -
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Originally by: Darveses Oh Archie, you're such an amusing voice on the IGS these days! ![Very Happy](/images/icon_biggrin.gif)
"CVA and allies have..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"UK is pushing forward into..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"NRDS will be..." "Yeah, but Star Fraction...!"
"My underpants today..." "Yeah, but STAR FRACTION...!!"
Beautifully put there Darv. Maybe now they will understand it due to the simplicity of the examples? lol
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![Archbishop Archbishop](https://images.evetech.net/characters/1033127867/portrait?size=64)
Archbishop
Amarr PIE Inc.
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Posted - 2010.03.16 00:47:00 -
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Originally by: Roderigo Borgia
as for forcing rules on the people in providence - just one rule the rest is for them - the same offer was made to cva - so stop complaining - cva most certainly tells the holders where and what space they can have - and as i said that is my understanding of things only - some inter prvidence sov war might be tolerated i dont know but certainly no moves on -A- space (as defined by what we consider ours not what officially has sov, thought that should be spelled out since seems to be the ralling cry of cva and pets)
So you admit you will engage in "Warfare Enclosurement" and restrict the warfare of those residing "freely" in Providence? You should be careful in readily admitting to do something the Ushra'Khan and others have so vocally claimed to oppose.
Do we have an Ushra'Khan representative here who can comment on the "enclosurist" plans of -A- and their admitted policy of forcing a rule on others?
Archbishop
PIE WEBSITE ARCHBISHOP PORTAL |
![Lord Maximullis Lord Maximullis](https://images.evetech.net/characters/267976618/portrait?size=64)
Lord Maximullis
Amarr Du'uma Fiisi Integrated Astrometrics
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Posted - 2010.03.16 01:10:00 -
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![Garreck Garreck](https://images.evetech.net/characters/329036612/portrait?size=64)
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Butter Dog the ability for an entity to truly manage it's own affairs, including diplomatic relations, will certainly attract more ambitious corporations and alliances who can truly be called 'independent'.
Paying rent is not independence. There's simply no serious discussion to be had on that matter, no serious case that can be made for independence of a tenant. Trying to make such a case is fairly transparent salesmanship, which is understandable given the Southern Coallition's need to fill Providence systems with anyone but CVA and those Holders who refuse to kneel...but it's salesmanship nonetheless.
I certainly won't make the counter-case that the Holder system was more independent; we are certainly an interdependent organizational scheme, by design.
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![Karn Mithralia Karn Mithralia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2039726296/portrait?size=64)
Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.16 03:16:00 -
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It amazes me how people - no not people - slavers, continue to spout all this tripe about freedom in Providence under CVA. You took the place to reclaim it for the Amarrian Empire for ****sake.
Hello! You are slavers, the antithesis of freedom. Wake up and smell the slaver-hounds.
Play to the minds of the greedy and gullible all you want with ya blathering 'we did it for the freedom of all', some of us are not so easily suckered.
The level of semantic debate on this forum has reached levels of stupidity I never thought I'd see. Soon you will be arguing white is black.
Anyway, its all so many words, Providence is burning regardless.
As for rent, what? Certainly no one is paying rent to U'K we routinely turn down any such offers.
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![Tarran Tarran](https://images.evetech.net/characters/374394057/portrait?size=64)
Tarran
Black Swan Enterprises
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Posted - 2010.03.16 04:02:00 -
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The point of my question was not to whine or call for anyone to adopt rules I like. The new holders of Provi can set whatever rules they want, and those who do not like them can try to move them out. I happen to think the old regime under CVA et al was good for Eve pilots, even if it was Diet 0.0. I simply cant see the new regime as described being as friendly to smaller corps and alliances looking to get into 0.0 without hooking up with an existing power bloc.
I think it is disingenuous to pretend that Provi could thrive ecnomically as it did in the past under the new rules which have been described, and that the -A- power block should not even bother trying to say that it would be (sorry Butter Dog). Ironically, when I read CVA's justification for the expansion attempt, and the subsequent refusal to back down, they seem to have come to share UK's disdain for corps and alliances who just wanted to hang out in 0.0 space and rat without nasty 0.0 politics.
In sum, if the old Provi was Diet 0.0, and regular 0.0 was Quafe with all the sugar, it sounds like new Provi would Quafe with about 75% of the calories?
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![Garreck Garreck](https://images.evetech.net/characters/329036612/portrait?size=64)
Garreck
Amarr Border Defense Consortium Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.16 04:07:00 -
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Originally by: Karn Mithralia Certainly no one is paying rent to U'K we routinely turn down any such offers.
I'm absolutely certain nobody is paying or will be paying any rent to U'K.
However, any discussion laying bare the truth behind the proposed illusion of Southern Coallition influence in Providence being benevolent, self-determining, open to the ambition of outsiders, or anything close to "free" is far more substantial than "semantics."
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![Karn Mithralia Karn Mithralia](https://images.evetech.net/characters/2039726296/portrait?size=64)
Karn Mithralia
Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan
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Posted - 2010.03.16 05:31:00 -
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Oh I'm sure there is room for discussion about how free Providence will be under the influence of SC. I've stated my position in detail on that eslewhere and will only repeat that time will tell.
What is pure dribble though is Merdaneth's assertion that Providence under CVA was somehow more free. Its laughable to say the least. I much prefer honest slavers who fight for what they believe in than his worm tongued sementic debate.
All of which is pretty irrelevent to be honest, nothing is one or lost on this forum. Day by day CVA's grip on Providence is weakened and the reclaiming fails. That is what matters.
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![Pimpertron Pimpertron](https://images.evetech.net/characters/382433224/portrait?size=64)
Pimpertron
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Posted - 2010.03.16 07:31:00 -
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Edited by: Pimpertron on 16/03/2010 07:32:51
Originally by: Andreus LeHane
Originally by: Pimpertron As for dynamic your having a laugh. It will become a wasteland with nothing but roaming gangs and gate camps just like the rest of 00 sec.
You know, I've never really understood what the problem with this idea was.
A cat is not a dog. A farmer is not a sailor. 0.0 is not Empire space. Pretending it was didn't really make it so.
00 sec is vast but the population is so low. System after system bare and pretty much void of life, shut off for nuetral pilots. Providence was different it was like an oasis of life and activity always people coming and going and all in reletive peace and safety. Why should so much space be shut off too people? its a shame and also a waste of space. Mabey this is why so many now move to wormhole space.
Unless you experianced providence you wouldnt understand just how well it worked.
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