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I don't really have problems with anyone who manipulates the market in creative ways but as long as there is high sec there will be carebears and they are part of the community as well wether you like it or not. I'm not someone who calls for CCP's intervention but i really dont see how you would want to solve this problem any other way.

Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.

EVE is a dark and harsh world, you're supposed to feel a bit worried and slightly angry when you log in, you're not supposed to feel like you're logging in to a happy, happy, fluffy, fluffy lala land filled with fun and adventures, that's what hello kitty online is for.

Right, and they should have to play the game within the same parameters we all do. They want to mine, they need to form a mining corp to do it for protection. High Sec is not meant to be safe, I don't know how many times you pubbies need to have that rammed into your dense skulls. If what you are trying is repeatedly failing, then stop trying, and think of something else. Plenty of people mine unharassed because they make use of the resources given to them by CCP to do it safely.

Make a mining corp in low or null sec. There, you can preemptively strike without getting concorded. You can set up intel to warn you of threats and a station to dock up in.

Seriously, this is a sandbox. Yes, you can play however you like, but that doesn't mean we have to let you. If we want to **** on your sandcastle, we're free to do that too. It's up to you to protect yourself here. You have the tools to stop us, though. Do what I said, let go of your ****** veldspar and just go to low or null sec. You'll be a lot safer, and you'll make a lot more money.

CCP has stated clearly that they intervene when someone is not able to play the game at all (they also intervene in the plex market when its being speculative). Plus, its not like the OP has an alternative to Highsec, Highsec IS the alternative to low and nullsec and is the last, lowpaid resort anyone has.

If you pay attention, and youGÇÖve got your wits about you, you can avoid people coming in and ganking, a survival of the fittest kind of thing, and people are now able to actually make a much better living from mining because of things like Hulkageddon and Burn Jita, because minerals are more expensive.

Three months ago I purchased 3 months of playing time for my three 6 year old accounts . At that time you allowed Goonswarm to circumvent high sec game mechanics with hulkmania. Hulkmania used to last a week and was not a problem. They made it a month and then permanent. That is a big problem. I tried everything I could to fight these pirates. Its hard to fight and mine at the same time. I thought after hulkmania this would stop but Goonswarm continues to have bounties on mining ships. Its been three months and pirates are still attacking my ships in high sec space with imunity. Almost all these pirates have at least a -5 security standing. How can you justify allowing players with -5 security standing into high sec? I have over 250 billion ISK so ISK is not the problem. Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do. I created several petitions explaining my problem but you did nothing! From your responses to my petitions I know my 3 accounts mean nothing to you. You thought hulkmania would only last a short time and players would not quit. You are wrong!! How many other players are having the same problem? How many have already quit or will quit in the near future? In a few days my playing time will expire. I hope EVE dies and you lose your jobs!!!

I dont give a fu.. how you players respond to this thread. In a few days all of you and EVE wont matter. In a few years EVE wont matter to the gaming community. It will be just another mmo that died a slow death.

My vocabulary is not extended enough to understand the word pubbies but i agree somewhat with most of what you wrote. My point is, or actually something that's worth discussing is: Should it be possible to mine safely in Highsec, just as it is safe to run Missions ? Or in other words, did CCP intend to make a place where it's perfectly safe to mine ? If not, then you're in most parts right.

As a sidenote, i'm not a miner, and actually would recommend to remove Concord altogether, just to be clear on this, if you're talking about a REAL sandbox then remove any NPC restrictions. I just like to see the other side of the argument as well thats all, and i'm ready to be convinced by the opposite if i'm wrong. The style of arguments that most people in here use though shows clearly that they rather bang the wardrums and show their e-peen instead of having an interesting discussion.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.

Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.

I dont give a fu.. how you players respond to this thread. In a few days all of you and EVE wont matter. In a few years EVE wont matter to the gaming community. It will be just another mmo that died a slow death.

Right, and they should have to play the game within the same parameters we all do. They want to mine, they need to form a mining corp to do it for protection.

Make a mining corp in low or null sec. There, you can preemptively strike without getting concorded. You can set up intel to warn you of threats and a station to dock up in.

There is NO reason you can't do the same. None at all.

I have to agree with the op.

He choose to be a miner, that's what eve is to him. If he has a quarter trillion isk he could do pretty much anything. The fact that People are destroying what eve means to him and others is something that ccp should take note of.

Yes it's a sandbox but because it is one it gives him and others the choice to mine were ever and how they want. No one group should have the right to dictate how others play their game.

Might sound suprising, but not everybody are mindless zerglings nor are nerd enough to play in big enough corps to provide protection.

Mining in low sec is completely stupid. It's same stuff of hi sec minus hi sec easy logistics (and concord).
Mining in 0.0 requires to join either some crappy old style alliance where they treat you like a piece of inferior meat or to join some external 3rd party community whose attitude is despised by many.

In order to do the same it's required to displace you from your place (soon you'll own all 0.0 so it'll be the only way). I don't see it being done for the foreseeable future.
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You said it yourself, nearly everyone hates us. An alliance of those people would absolutely dwarf ours. VFK-IV. Deklein. Come get us.

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Or a guy could consider joining you but then you are elitist enough to only allow SA members in. Who wants to torture themselves with that.

I wasn't really aiming most of that at you specifically, sorry.

A police force like Concord does actually make sense. I'm not so thrilled with them being invincible, but I spend literally no time in high sec, so I don't really care either way.

As far as my argument, it simply boils down to "There is no "should" in Eve". Doesn't matter if highsec should be safe, it isn't. It isn't because a group of corps, using in game resources, have banded together with the intent of making it unsafe, and they are fully within their rights to do so. It is now on the people who take offense to this to muster their own forces and come make us stop.

I'll advertise it again, VFK-IV. Deklein. That's where we are. Most of the game hates us, so anyone should be able to form a massive alliance to come and take us out. Don't blame the WarDec mechanics, in null, you don't need to wardec anyone, just fly out here and start shooting. Your force should be far bigger than ours. It would be dead simple to drive us out of eve forever.

So come do it. Stop whining and take your game back.

I took a break for 2 years and was also approached by Goon in a recruitment thread. While i wasnt really on top of things i wasnt aware at that point of the polarized hatred towards Goon in general and Miners (regardless now of highsec ganking). I could have easily joined because the recruiter was quite the nice guy.

Thats why i always become suspicious when people start to label a group of people of being this and that. Ok pirates DO gank lowsec gates, thats why they are pirates, they steal their stuff. Their role is a mere description of what they do, however the (justified or unjustified) hatred towards the Goons is exactly the same thing that the miners are now experiencing. It is therefore a bit ironic to hear from goons (i dont mean you in particular) that they cry for acceptance in their hatespeech against miners but also refuse any criticism towards their attitude when faced with hatespeech that targets them.

I hope you get my point, i really didnt take any side yet on the argument, i'm just saying, hatred is so easily spread in this game, its a very accurate Mirror of our real World in that sense.