You didn't read the OP I guess. He is complaining about being ganked and not about being unable to mine.

AMD how can.he mine while being ganked.

Tough ****. That's Eve. Playing solo is inherently more dangerous than playing in a group. Don't want to mine in a way that is going to be much safer? Fine, but don't whine when you get ganked. We are not obligated to allow everyone to play however they want. Don't like it, come get us.

So make your own 0.0 alliance and mine there. The ore in null IS far more valuable. This isn't some theory, lots of corps already do this. You just don't hear from them because they are in game mining and not bitching to CCP on the forums because they want to be invulnerable.

You said it yourself, nearly everyone hates us. An alliance of those people would absolutely dwarf ours. VFK-IV. Deklein. Come get us.

A few friends and I decided to convert a bit of security standing into fun by trying out this apparently hilarious new trend among the young people of today: Suicide ganking.

So we loaded up some cheap T1-fitted catalysts and had a go at a mack sitting in belt with some friends and an orca.
As it turns out, as soon as we locked, the orca started shield repping and our catalysts died to concord, scoring zero kills.
When we warped our pods out, one of the miners wrote in local, "Lol, noob suiciders" - Or something to that effect.
That stung, badly.

So I guess it's not entirely impossible to defend a mining fleet, although two or three catalysts more might have tipped the scales. But still.
Rather humiliating experience, I must say.

That was axactly the sort of ragequite they want to read well done OP you just inflated the goons already oversized ego

Next time. Mine smart mine sexy,
plenty of other places than a hiigh sec asteroid belt near a busy hub

Please do not call ganking miners PvP, its called ganking miners

Please do not call ganking miners PvP, its called ganking miners

T Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.

You see, in a sandbox, we do have that right. We are stronger. Yeah, he can play however he wants, but that does not mean we are obligated to let him if we don't want to. If he wants to stop us, he shouldn't whine to ccp, he should try playing the game for once and doing something about it.

Make a mining corp. Mine with others. Get security and intel. PLAY THE GAME.

then why do you solely target miners, you can make more running lvl 4s or doing incursions. You are saying play the game but you target the minority in high sec.

Why dont you reign hell on all the "SafeHighSecPubbies" miners mission Runners, incursions etc. But you didnt you chose the soft option because they dont play the way you want and pat yourself on the back.

It's like watching a mentally ill child pulling legs off a fly.

My vocabulary is not extended enough to understand the word pubbies but i agree somewhat with most of what you wrote. My point is, or actually something that's worth discussing is: Should it be possible to mine safely in Highsec, just as it is safe to run Missions ? Or in other words, did CCP intend to make a place where it's perfectly safe to mine ? If not, then you're in most parts right.

Most of their subscriptions come from hi-sec and they will loose these slowly due to player dissatisfaction. I'm not saying I give a crap about hi-sec but a lot of people do. A lot more people care about Hi-sec than will ever give a crap about Null, maybe CCP should get management who know how to manage.

Not defending the OP at all, nor the donkeys who cry on the forums but you assume too much about everybody's ability to forfeit their RL responsibilities for a game:




Tough ****. That's Real Life. As MMO players gets older so their obligations increase and their time decreases.

See, once upon a time there was a 500K subs game. It was bugged, servers crashed a lot, content was half made and graphics were absolutely behind the times.

Then one day somebody suddenly realized what I typed above and made the game enjoyable even by those who cannot waste half day in CTAs, farming and so on.
These days that game peaked at 14M subs. A business model that EvE should embrace (without the carebear part).
Else EvE will be the forever "could have been the massive universe but never made to more than 50k stable concurrent players" second class game.

Eve is built for 3M players, just look at how choppy and illiquid the markets are. Because too few are playing.




Not going to happen. People happen to have a life. "Making" a 0.0 alliance is easy, keeping it running is not. It's horrendously time consuming.




You wrongly assume people care enough to bother. You need a motivated core of dedicated players with a lot of game knowledge to setup an alliance that would EVER have any hope to run against a Technetium fuelled endless empire.

There's neither motivated people any more nor leadership or charisma people able to aggregate many players under a common objective.

You indeed won EvE because of your efforts but also because all the others who cared quit and nobody are left to try.

CCP is not really losing players, these lot that come to whine at forums give false impression what is really going on in game. See server population statistics, if you want to.

And it's not really about "not caring about hi-sec". It's about emergent gameplay. EVE is a sandbox and you can't really play this game without being in contact, and in some cases fully dependent, on other players. This is what makes the game fascinating. Surely everyone who start playing EVE should know this, and if they don't... well, that's their fault. EVE is not advertised as a hard game without a reason. Sometimes I don't even get it how people can live in their false imagination that hi-sec is actually 100% safe. It is not the truth. If hi-sec were meant to be 100% safe (and it really is not), CONCORD would strike the attackers immediately. When you undock the station in your Hulk, or whatever ship you fly, you should be prepared to lose it. When you plan your business, you should count the possible loss of your ship in. But, as we have seen, most miners are absolutely too greedy to do this. They want the best possible yield from their ship, so they can make the best possible money. So, when they lose their untanked ship, the most greediest come here, in the forums, to cry about it. They want it to be changed, so they could mine eternally in completely safety and make vast amounts of money.

EVE is one of the last games that is not spoiled by complaining carebears. CCP is doing great work for not spoiling it.

Make a mining corp in low or null sec. There, you can preemptively strike without getting concorded. You can set up intel to warn you of threats and a station to dock up in.

Have you ever considered a lot of the playerbase don't give a crap about emergent game play and just want to have a game they can enjoy?
When I joined the game I never saw a word about EvE as a hard game, only that Null sec was dangerous lawless space.

Most players do enjoy the game and appreciate the complex virtual universe full of emergent gameplay, and also like the fact that EVE is satisfyingly hard.

Otherwise they probably wouldn't be playing the game

I tried everything I could to fight these pirates.

Being able to read my newspaper while peacefully mining is all I want to do.

Another example of a player that gets his enjoyment from the game from doing the things gankers lable as boring. He just wants to mine in the "safety" of high in peace. Cowardly risk-free gankers claim yet another awesome addition to their boring killboard.

Does CCP have a view on what the expect high-sec to represent? I personally feel that EvE is not a only PVP game, its far more awesomely complex. Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun. Isn't that why high-sec exists? PVPers have the majority of the galaxy to shoot eachother, but yet they flock to high for those tasty defenceless kills, the tasty risk-free isk, and the tasty carebear tears.

Remove high, or add shiny concord insta-death rays.

Another example of a player that gets his enjoyment from the game from doing the things gankers lable as boring. He just wants to mine in the "safety" of high in peace. Cowardly risk-free gankers claim yet another awesome addition to their boring killboard.

Does CCP have a view on what the expect high-sec to represent? I personally feel that EvE is not a only PVP game, its far more awesomely complex. Players that have no interest in PVP should be able to do whatever it is that they do to have fun. Isn't that why high-sec exists? PVPers have the majority of the galaxy to shoot eachother, but yet they flock to high for those tasty defenceless kills, the tasty risk-free isk, and the tasty carebear tears.

Remove high, or add shiny concord insta-death rays.