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Sendaton 404 Corporation Not Found	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:24:00 - [1] It's good the marketing dept is comming up with new offers for it's player base, however. This '5.00 Activation Fee' smacks of typical marketing deception tactics, used to draw you in and make you think you are getting a better deal than whats actually on offer, used by a good number of todays ISPs, subscription services, and in small print on various phone contracts. 9.95 to make a new account? Neat, then 14.95 after that. Then you find out the first month is exactily the same cost factoring in $5.00 of apparent 'costs' to the company, such as electricity, hamster food, beer, and so on. Please don't start going the way of typical deceptive advertising practices, if it costs 14.95 for the first month, then thats what you should be putting down, otherwise I want a full breakdown of exactily what costs to CCP are covered by this 'activation fee' tl;dr: EVE's marketing workers need a slap in the face
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:28:00 - [2] I saw that too, made me smirk. Its a very cheap way of advertising something, pretending its cheaper now then it was before. But then again, meh, CCP is in the business of doing business = profit. If they want to look cheap, so be it.
TheLordofAllandNothing Caldari United Systems Navy Zenith Affinity	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:30:00 - [3] Drat, that 5 dollars will bankrupt me and i will end up living like a hillbilly in some hillbilly shack somewhere. _______________________ Fix rockets in '09 =(
Kleve Klaw Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:31:00 - [4] I also agree, bad form of CCP to advertise as Ç9.95 when in reality it costs Ç14.95. It is cheaper to go buy from Shattered Crystal (30 day starter pack) which is $19.95 which is actually cheaper than what CCP is offering. I would have thought it should be cheaper from CCP than third party sites but apparently not. Shame....
Sendaton 404 Corporation Not Found	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:35:00 - [5] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Drat, that 5 dollars will bankrupt me and i will end up living like a hillbilly in some hillbilly shack somewhere. It's not cost thats the issue, it's what precedents are being set by this fee for the future, though you are probably well aware of that anyway
Shurrurru Red Unicorns Love Chocolate	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:50:00 - [6] New accounts have always been advertised as $14.95 plus a $5 activation fee. The only thing that's changed is they've reduced that $14.95. There's nothing deceptive about it, that's what it's always been. The first time I bought the game I knew it was $14.95 plus $5 activation fee. I could look at it as a $5 game with no free time or a $20 game with a free month. I never felt that I was tricked into paying more money than I should have. As soon as you go to the website they're pretty up front about it, and the link on the main site says right in the link image the fee. The only time I've seen it neglected to be mentioned is in-game at the login screen. Well, people already playing the game should be aware of the activation fee and shouldn't be surprised that they didn't reduce the price of the game AND remove the activation fee.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:55:00 - [7] Originally by: Serpents smile I saw that too, made me smirk. Its a very cheap way of advertising something, pretending its cheaper now then it was before. What's pretend about it? It is cheaper than usual ($14.95 + $5 > $9.95 + $5). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Sendaton 404 Corporation Not Found	Posted - 2010.03.24 12:59:00 - [8] Good point, I do recall that trial accounts activated have some days deducted from whatever is added to them as the fee, so this would be the trial+activation without the lost days, covered by the fee Makes a bit more sense, but at first glance and by the outsider, there is no ready explanation/justification of the fee ;p
Kleve Klaw Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:03:00 - [9] The cost of said account is in EUROS and not DOLLARS. If you convert this at todays rates it means the "New" offer actually costs $22.40 which is $3.45 more than what it costs from a third party site.
Droog 1 Black Rise Inbreds	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:07:00 - [10] ACTIVATION FEE. Nice try CCP. Luckily the players are used to scams like this ingame and always read the small print.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.24 13:13:00 - [11] Originally by: Droog 1 ACTIVATION FEE. Nice try CCP. Luckily the players are used to scams like this ingame and always read the small print. Well, that would explain why everyone fell for it the first time they subscribed: they hadn't played the game yet and gotten into the right mindset… ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
S'qarpium D'igil	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:46:00 - [12] EVE normally costs $20 to activate ($15 subscription + $5 activate fee). No matter how you look at it, you're still saving $5 on this sale; I don't know what you're complaining about... $15 is still less than $20 no matter how you look at it. I'd rather spend $5 to activate ONCE than $30-$50 for a new game box EACH time an expansion is released (WoW, candyland edition comes to mind).
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.03.24 14:52:00 - [13] Edited by: James Tritanius on 24/03/2010 14:52:25 Did you guys see this? Quote: Trial accounts are not eligible for this offer You know what this means? It means it costs $14.95 for 30 days. If you begin a trial account and then activate it normally, it costs 19.95 for 30+14 days. Which is cheaper on a cost-per-day basis. You are saving nothing on this sale.
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.03.24 15:46:00 - [14] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Serpents smile I saw that too, made me smirk. Its a very cheap way of advertising something, pretending its cheaper now then it was before. What's pretend about it? It is cheaper than usual ($14.95 + $5 > $9.95 + $5). /goes hide in shame in a wh.
Sarajo	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:01:00 - [15] What struck me as odd was not the 'deceptive advertising' (really, it says it costs +5 euro RIGHT THERE) but the fact you can't use it to upgrade a trial account. This offer: 14,95 for new account with 30 days = 49 cents per day of playtime Regular: 19,95 for upgrading a 21 day trial account to full with 30 days, 51 days in total = 39 cents per day of playtime.
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:43:00 - [16] Hmm, I never payed an activation fee... Made money for a time code ..... back in the day ...... and activated my trial with that, So, basically, CCP removed the arbitrary fee I never payed o.o , looking at what the above posted it seems you guys did So you're **ed they removed that useless fee, or what ? - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait**: Dude.
James Tritanius	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:46:00 - [17] Originally by: Deus Ex'Machina Hmm, I never payed an activation fee... Made money for a time code ..... back in the day ...... and activated my trial with that, So, basically, CCP removed the arbitrary fee I never payed o.o , looking at what the above posted it seems you guys did So you're ****ed they removed that useless fee, or what ? Please at least read the thread or the details of the promotion. In short, they didn't remove it.
Deus Ex'Machina The-Machine	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:51:00 - [18] Originally by: James Tritanius Please at least read the thread or the details of the promotion. In short, they didn't remove it. Eh, nvm, my point stands, that fee is stupid if it can be circumvented by using PLEX and should be removed asap. - Arkanon: EXPLAIN YOURSELF, EVILDOER! Sharkbait: Dude.
Polaris Lumine Sebiestor tribe	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:54:00 - [19] Never fails to amaze me how companies think anyone gives a rat's arse how the amount someone needs to pay to sign up is calculated. Just tell me how much you want...single amount...no fluffy bunny words.
Sendaton 404 Corporation Not Found	Posted - 2010.03.24 16:59:00 - [20] Originally by: Sarajo What struck me as odd was not the 'deceptive advertising' (really, it says it costs +5 euro RIGHT THERE) but the fact you can't use it to upgrade a trial account. This offer: 14,95 for new account with 30 days = 49 cents per day of playtime Regular: 19,95 for upgrading a 21 day trial account to full with 30 days, 51 days in total = 39 cents per day of playtime. 'Deceptive' is probably too strong of a word in that case ;p Polaris Lumine more accuratley hits the nail on the head: Originally by: Polaris Lumine Never fails to amaze me how companies think anyone gives a rat's arse how the amount someone needs to pay to sign up is calculated. Just tell me how much you want...single amount...no fluffy bunny words.
sg3s Caldari Deep Core Mining Inc.	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:00:00 - [21] I believe the 5 bucks activation fee is for the software license you need for every account... I believe it's used to pay the fees for 3rd party software used in the client. At least that is what I can remember from a devpost a while back....
Tobias Sjodin Ore Mongers	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:03:00 - [22] Is EVE dying?
Aera Aiana	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:14:00 - [23] Edited by: Aera Aiana on 24/03/2010 17:14:37 Originally by: sg3s I believe the 5 bucks activation fee is for the software license you need for every account... I believe it's used to pay the fees for 3rd party software used in the client. At least that is what I can remember from a devpost a while back.... That's all nice and well, but who cares about that? All that matters is the final price. The pizza service around the corner here also offers "50% Off" and then in small print "( +2Ç food preparation flat rate)". I think my translation of that sucks, but you get the idea... Originally by: Tobias Sjodin Is EVE dying? Noob, that's not supposed to be a question.
Professor Tarantula Hedion University	Posted - 2010.03.24 17:48:00 - [24] Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing Drat, that 5 dollars will bankrupt me and i will end up living like a hillbilly in some hillbilly shack somewhere. Companies prey on people who think like that. You think "oh, it's just 5 dollars" for 10 things and you're out 50 bucks. My deepest sympathies. Prof. Tarantula, Esq.
Kulmid Club Bear HYDRA RELOADED	Posted - 2010.03.24 18:47:00 - [25] Edited by: Kulmid on 24/03/2010 18:55:18 When I started playing this game, it was advertised as a one time fee of $19.95 which activated your account and gave you a "free" first month, which was really just $14.95 subscription fee + $5 activation fee, then every month after that it would be $14.95. I am confused by all the different things people are saying in this thread, but it sounds to be cheaper. Maybe I am misunderstanding. Originally by: Kleve Klaw Edited by: Kleve Klaw on 24/03/2010 13:19:50 The cost of said account is in EUROS and not DOLLARS. If you convert this at todays rates it means the "New" offer actually costs $22.40 which is $2.45 more than what it costs from a third party site. I'm also almost 100% sure this is incorrect. You can clearly see they use $ and not Ç. I doubt they would attempt to deceive like that. Also, its probably the same price for all currency, CCP has never seemed to care about international currency exchange rates and as far as I know has been charging english players ú14.95 and American players $14.95 meaning english players were paying approx. 30% more than American players for quite some time. Edit: I just read the offer and it is indeed cheaper to activate an account than it was previously. _________________
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.24 19:17:00 - [26] Unfortunatly our world is blinded by greed, and market guys use every cheap trick they know to sucker in people. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:02:00 - [27] Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Unfortunatly our world is blinded by greed, and market guys use every cheap trick they know to sucker in people. CCP has not said " we are quitting real life send us $ and we will send you back double"
Sidus Isaacs Gallente	Posted - 2010.03.24 22:29:00 - [28] Originally by: Taxesarebad Originally by: Sidus Isaacs Unfortunatly our world is blinded by greed, and market guys use every cheap trick they know to sucker in people. CCP has not said " we are quitting real life send us $ and we will send you back double" yet ;) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://desusig.crumplecorn.com/sigs.html
Aixa Syal Minmatar al-Syal Brigade	Posted - 2010.03.24 23:20:00 - [29] Why didnt they just say "Activation Fee Waived" Period ? which is basically what it is, but its nothing like offers i think will come soon like the power of two ver. II in end of summer to keep subs up.
Reem Fairchild Minmatar Punic Corp.	Posted - 2010.03.25 06:18:00 - [30] I'm astounded at the number of people in this thread (starting with the OP) who don't seem to realize that the $5 activation fee has always been there. ----- 'In Eve, as in real life, if you are bored it's your own fault.'
Kyra Felann Gallente Neh'bu Kau Beh'Hude Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2010.03.25 07:17:00 - [31] Edited by: Kyra Felann on 25/03/2010 07:19:55 OP, maybe you should loosen that tin-foil hat. I'm sure it really does block mind-control beams, but I think it might be cutting off blood to your head. How much did you pay when you started playing? I bet it was $14.99 + $5.00 like everyone else (or the Euro equivalent). It's been like that since I started playing in 2007. I think of it as buying the game for $20 and getting a free month. Most MMOs cost $50 and include the first month. If it's now $9.99 + the $4.99 activation fee, it's now $5 cheaper. I really have no clue what you think you're complaining about. TL;DR: there has always been a $5 activation fee for the first month, at least since 2007 when I started.
Chilton Haynes	Posted - 2010.03.25 07:48:00 - [32] Math A) 30 Days + No Free Trial = 9.95 + 5.00 = 14.95 B) 30 Days + 14 Day FREE Trial = 44 Days = 14.95 + 5.00 = 19.95 Hence, A) 14.95 / 30 Days = 0.49 per day B) 19.95 / 44 Days = 0.45 per day Eve's New Offer = FAIL
Xeross155 Minmatar Fusion Death Inc. Intrepid Crossing	Posted - 2010.03.25 07:58:00 - [33] Originally by: Chilton Haynes Math A) 30 Days + No Free Trial = 9.95 + 5.00 = 14.95 B) 30 Days + 14 Day FREE Trial = 44 Days = 14.95 + 5.00 = 19.95 Hence, A) 14.95 / 30 Days = 0.49 per day B) 19.95 / 44 Days = 0.45 per day Eve's New Offer = FAIL Hmm, well it does sound cheaper ^^ --------------------------------------------- Xeross' ventures into EVE
Liang Nuren The Aduro Protocol Talon Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:08:00 - [34] Originally by: Xeross155 Originally by: Chilton Haynes Math A) 30 Days + No Free Trial = 9.95 + 5.00 = 14.95 B) 30 Days + 14 Day FREE Trial = 44 Days = 14.95 + 5.00 = 19.95 Hence, A) 14.95 / 30 Days = 0.49 per day B) 19.95 / 44 Days = 0.45 per day Eve's New Offer = FAIL Hmm, well it does sound cheaper ^^ That's why it's called marketing. -Liang -- Liang Nuren - Eve Forum ***** Extraordinaire
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.03.25 08:52:00 - [35] Bad form, and unworthy of CCP. I hope some dev reads this thread and passes on the information. Would be good to see advertisement for this offer retracted asap.
Zartrader	Posted - 2010.03.25 09:08:00 - [36] Edited by: Zartrader on 25/03/2010 09:13:04 I think Marketing is one of the best ways to learn critical thinking as they bend over backwards to distort. They can't lie but they can do similar by omission and suggestion. 'Economical with the truth'. I don't care about the 5 Euro or whatever it is but that advert is misleading, its as simple as that. It definitely suggests a one off fee for the 30 days and the way the extra 5 Euro is spun is irrelevant. Certainly we should always read the small print but it's damning of the marketing so called profession (it's not a true profession it has no ethics) that we are forced to do that to avoid falling into their traps.
superfluous gibbons	Posted - 2010.03.25 11:37:00 - [37] just seen that and it's **** poor of CCP, surely business is not that bad they have to resort to such shoddy methods of business. I don't care if it's marketing, commercialism or what-not, it's stains the character of the company and is basically calling their fan base fools. Less of the BS CCP, no need to sink to these pathetic levels.
Avius Rhinstien	Posted - 2010.06.14 01:01:00 - [38] Edited by: Avius Rhinstien on 14/06/2010 01:02:03 everyone whining and crying go back to WoW please, CCP doesn't charge for expantions, gives us the ability to play for free if you can buy plex's and it's $20 to buy the game with a free month or $5 and then $15 for the subscription. If CCP really wanted to make money they should follow the WoW formula, $45 game with a free month and then what $25 for each expantion....thats a $95 game, you paid $20 so quit your *****ing
Hanrietta	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:11:00 - [39] On a very different hand... the buddy system ... Simply find someone who already plays this game, ask them to send you an invite, and then activate it (for free!) Since the original player also receives 30 days, there is very little reason to say no. 21+30=51 day for 14.95, or $0.293 per day IN ADDITION TO THE 30 DAYS THE OLD PLAYER RECEIVES. Which in total is... 14.95/81=$0.184 per day on 2 accounts.
Haaranovor tenn Amarr United Support - Logistics and Transport	Posted - 2010.06.14 04:39:00 - [40] Originally by: Reem Fairchild I'm astounded at the number of people in this thread (starting with the OP) who don't seem to realize that the $5 activation fee has always been there. ^ this And marketing people go to school for years to learn how to make people buy things. Respect their athoritah.
Herateis	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:10:00 - [41] Edited by: Herateis on 14/06/2010 05:11:05 Originally by: Sendaton It's good the marketing dept is comming up with new offers for it's player base, however. This '5.00 Activation Fee' smacks of typical marketing deception tactics, used to draw you in and make you think you are getting a better deal than whats actually on offer, used by a good number of todays ISPs, subscription services, and in small print on various phone contracts. 9.95 to make a new account? Neat, then 14.95 after that. Then you find out the first month is exactily the same cost factoring in $5.00 of apparent 'costs' to the company, such as electricity, hamster food, beer, and so on. Please don't start going the way of typical deceptive advertising practices, if it costs 14.95 for the first month, then thats what you should be putting down, otherwise I want a full breakdown of exactily what costs to CCP are covered by this 'activation fee' tl;dr: EVE's marketing workers need a slap in the face I told you guys in my thread about how CCP is a bunch of weasels, but you didn't believe me and trolled me. Aww, sweet vindication. CCP is a bunch of weasels
Roemy Schneider Vanishing Point.	Posted - 2010.06.14 05:38:00 - [42] Edited by: Roemy Schneider on 14/06/2010 05:37:55 http://www.ccpgames.com/en/company/about-us.aspx too much hilarity to quote - putting the gist back into logistics
Olusegun Obasanjo Minmatar CENTRAL BANK OF NIGERIA	Posted - 2010.06.14 07:40:00 - [43] Originally by: Chilton Haynes Math A) 30 Days + No Free Trial = 9.95 + 5.00 = 14.95 B) 30 Days + 14 Day FREE Trial = 44 Days = 14.95 + 5.00 = 19.95 Hence, A) 14.95 / 30 Days = 0.49 per day B) 19.95 / 44 Days = 0.45 per day Eve's New Offer = FAIL C. 21 day buddy trial + 30 days + bonua 30 days from buddy trial / 19.95 = .24 per day :D not counting the 3 days of ghost training before activating the new account
CrestoftheStars Caldari Recreation Of The World	Posted - 2010.06.14 08:06:00 - [44] Originally by: Serpents smile I saw that too, made me smirk. Its a very cheap way of advertising something, pretending its cheaper now then it was before. But then again, meh, CCP is in the business of doing business = profit. If they want to look cheap, so be it. actually this way off deception is not legal in some countries, not that they give a damn xD ___________________________________________ Whoever appeals to the law against his fellow man is either a fool or a coward. Whoever cannot take care of himself without that law is both. For a wounded

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