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Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:49:00 - [1] I know it was brought up numerous times, but it looks this is bordering hilarious. If you still wonder (probably not) yes, I was ganked. I was not transporting Nighthawk BPO in a Badger, there was no officer modes, no pirate implants, etc etc. The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. My ship was destroyed by a battleship (20 day old char). If suicide ganking is profitable at this level, something is wrong. Do you really need to train for a freighter or a transport ship, and spend like 70mill, or 770mill to move 38mill of crap in 0.9 system?
Stray Bullets	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:53:00 - [2] Got owned by a 20 day noob? Something must be wrong!
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Black Lightning Nighthawk BPO in a Badger […] The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. My ship was destroyed by a battleship Seems about right. Where's the problem (well, apart from T2 BPO:s apparently being ridiculously cheap)? Oh, and is suppose the ganker was a bit wasteful, using a BS and all, when he could have earned more by using something far cheaper. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:55:00 - [4] When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. Wait for trit to drop below 1.5/unit. Besides, you should really start using an orca for moving expensive stuff around.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:24:00 - [7] If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:41:00 - [9] Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die.
Deebs McFluffen Gallente Cryo Innovations A.P.O.P.H.I.S	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Listening to that song at this very moment. Give more Medium slots for a shield Buffer or up the Hitpoints is what I would like to see. Deebs McFLuffen

Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Vaal Erit If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. And what exactly did I wrong? Is it really necessary to use T2 transport to move 38 mill stuff around? That means that in order to protect myself from 20 day noob, I'd have to train for 50 days and spend 45 mill ISK on skills, plus 70 mill on the ship itself? The problem is that T1 indys have no tank at all. The char that's barely able to undock in a bs can alpha the ship. I think, industrial ships tank should be increased so that wouldn't be popped if someone kust looks at it. Another problem is insurance. After his bs with T1 crappy modules was popped by CONCORD he probably made a little profit with insurance, my cargo was just a bonus. No idea why CCP can't make insurance void if ship was destroyed by CONCORD.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaal Erit If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. That should be true, but it's not.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:26:00 - [13] A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! The OP chose the latter.... You chose to carry a lot of valuables around in what is essentially a wet paper bag, probably not taking any of the relative easy precautions that could have saved you, maybe even AFK'd... You probably didn't scout, you probably took the direct route, you probably fitted for cargo capacity, and probably didn't pay attention. The game rules (for now) are that ships are cheap and can suicide gank! You CHOSE willingly to ignore this rule, probably didn't take any precautions, and got toasted! The fault for that lies ENTIRELY on your shoulders! Most likely you know this deep down, but is desperately trying to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault by making loud noises that it is someone else's. It won't work though... In EVE YOU and YOU ALONE is responsible for your safety! When you get blown up, YOU have full and sole responsibility for it because you put yourself in position to being blown up! So stop crying ffs.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! The OP chose the latter.... You chose to carry a lot of valuables around in what is essentially a wet paper bag, probably not taking any of the relative easy precautions that could have saved you, maybe even AFK'd... You probably didn't scout, you probably took the direct route, you probably fitted for cargo capacity, and probably didn't pay attention. The game rules (for now) are that ships are cheap and can suicide gank! You CHOSE willingly to ignore this rule, probably didn't take any precautions, and got toasted! The fault for that lies ENTIRELY on your shoulders! Most likely you know this deep down, but is desperately trying to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault by making loud noises that it is someone else's. It won't work though... In EVE YOU and YOU ALONE is responsible for your safety! When you get blown up, YOU have full and sole responsibility for it because you put yourself in position to being blown up! So stop crying ffs.... WRONG I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! stuff WRONG I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. op you must not know how to fit haulers then. My mammoth has 13k ehp on it. well outside most suicide gankers insta pop range. here is what you do, get a badger mk II, put on field extender rigs to get moar shields. put on an passive em / explosive resists. and a bunch of extenders. then in the lows put 2 power diagnostics and expanders and bam. most battleships wont be able to gank you. I would also reccomend that you spend a long time looking at available hardwire implants to see which ones will extend shields and give you more armor. nuff said.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:46:00 - [17] I can only assume you meant Nighthawk BPC, cause T2 BPO's are worth a bit more than 38m. I don't think it shows a difference on the ship scanner, same as it shows no different on the killboard. So, it LOOKED like you were carrying a BPO. Easily worth it. At least, as I recall, that is. What kind of tank were you fitting? Were you 100% cargo extender fit, to carry around 1 BPC, or did you do the smart thing and fit nanofibers (or, at LEAST unfit the extenders)? Were you on autopilot? If all you were carrying was a BPC, the safest way to go is a small, fast [ceptor], cloaky [covops / bomber], or tanky [AF / HAC] ship. Or, a heavily tanked BS.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. make yourself an undock bookmark at 4-4 (300km out or so), you will need it anyways once you fly somewhat bigger hauling ships.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:48:00 - [19] Orcas help too. Put it in the corp hangar. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds.

LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. That's not too far off from the base cost of the lower-end battleships. I'm sure you've heard of insurance, right?
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:56:00 - [22] Originally by: LoudMouth InLocal Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. That's not too far off from the base cost of the lower-end battleships. I'm sure you've heard of insurance, right? This ^^ Usually if I'm going to suicide something in a BS, it's made from a bpc that runs about a mil and whatever minerals I've managed to get from refining mission loot or mining with an alt. Essentially getting me free money from the insurance payout. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Black Lightning I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. You obviously know about the forum, and you probably read it too.... I honestly don't believe your statement as it's been posted time and time again here that often the gankers don't even bother scanning, but just shoot haulers at random. As you're implicitly admitting, it was completely your own fault, and you've hopefully learned from it. EVE is a game of consequence, and punishes mistakes harshly. This is a GOOD thing as it makes the game challenging and encourage you to learn. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Izztyrr Maemtor Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Black Lightning My ship was destroyed by a battleship (20 day old char). LOL! That's has to be the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh OP. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:53:00 - [25] Just because others have said the same thing already won't stop me from repeating it… Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. For the record, a Badger II can be given some 30k EHP. Said Badger II can warp in 0 seconds from undock. Every 3-jump destination from Jita has multiple indirect routes (not that you need them since they can't catch you when you warp off and can't instapop you). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia a Badger II can be given some 30k EHP Low Slots: 1x Damage Control II 2x Power Diagnostic System II Mid Slots: 3x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 1x Invulnerability Field II Rigs: 3x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I EHP: 31.274 as per EFT Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Black Lightning *I was not* transporting Nighthawk BPO in a Badger, there was no officer modes, no pirate implants, etc etc. The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. You know.. you 'smart guys' really need to learn how to read, and comprehend what you read because for all your brains, you guys look pretty stupid right now. The OP stated clearly that he did NOT transport anything of value, yet over and over again you brainiacs keep stating "don't transport T2 BPO's etc" as if the OP had actually been transporting them, despite him saying he wasn't very clearly in his post. While I do agree, hauling in an untanked ship out of Jita is about equal to handing over your goods w/o a fight, and the OP would have done better to tank his ship, rather than think he was safe because his cargo was basically worthless... it doesn't change the fail cascade of you people that can't read what the OP actually posted, versus what you THINK he posted because you fail at reading comprehension. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost his cargo was basically worthless... 1. 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially to a 20 days old character. 2. If the cargo was "basically worthless", there's no need whining about it as he lost "basically nothing."
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost his cargo was basically worthless... 1. 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially to a 20 days old character. 2. If the cargo was "basically worthless", there's no need whining about it as he lost "basically nothing." Reading comprehension failure detected (again). He said he was GANKED by a 20 day old character. Not that HE was a 20 day old character. Furthermore he himself stated his cargo was basically worthless. I will quote him for you... Originally by: Black Lightning The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. Do you really need to train for a freighter or a transport ship, and spend like 70mill, or 770mill to move 38mill of crap in 0.9 system? -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Reading comprehension failure detected (again). He said he was GANKED by a 20 day old character. Not that HE was a 20 day old character. Indeed it's reading comprehension failure, but it's on your part. 38 mil is a lot for a 20 day old character, hence the 20 day old character saw fit to gank the person for 38 mil. Got it now, sport? Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Furthermore he himself stated his cargo was basically worthless. I will quote him for you... No need to quote him. Unlike you, I can read. As I said, 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially not for a 20 day old character (the ganker in case you have trouble getting your head around who I am talking about). Might I recommend that you take a look at your own comprehension before you go about posting **** on the forums?

Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:33:00 - [31] Edited by: Lucifer''s Ghost on 26/03/2010 00:37:26 Edited by: Lucifer''s Ghost on 26/03/2010 00:36:45 Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Reading comprehension failure detected (again). He said he was GANKED by a 20 day old character. Not that HE was a 20 day old character. Indeed it's reading comprehension failure, but it's on your part. 38 mil is a lot for a 20 day old character, hence the 20 day old character saw fit to gank the person for 38 mil. Got it now, sport? Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Furthermore he himself stated his cargo was basically worthless. I will quote him for you... No need to quote him. Unlike you, I can read. As I said, 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially not for a 20 day old character (the ganker in case you have trouble getting your head around who I am talking about). Might I recommend that you take a look at your own comprehension before you go about posting **** on the forums? Oh please. Now you are just grasping at straws. Suicide gankers in Jita are more often than not experienced older players running alt characters. Few if any 'new' players know anything about suicide ganking, let alone how to do it. All you are trying to do here little cupcake, is hide your own mistake by 'trying' to seem like you were talking about something else, when you and everyone else knows that you were referring to the OP from the start. Nice try cupcake, but you fail even at that. And just to be fair to you, though I have no clue why I should be, again I state clearly that few, if any 20 day old characters know anything about suicide ganking, or how to do it, unless it has happened to them. Most suicide gankers are experienced, older, organized players using throw away characters. YOU know this, I know this. So why try to play out like it was something else? or are you REALLY that dumb? -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:34:00 - [32] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Oh please. Now you are just grasping at straws. Suicide gankers in Jita are more often than not experienced older players running alt characters. Few if any 'new' players know anything about suicide ganking, let alone how to do it. All you are trying to do here little cupcake, is hide your own mistake by 'trying' to seem like you were talking about something else, when you and everyone else knows that you were referring to the OP from the start. Nice try cupcake, but you fail even at that. No, I'm just pointing out your mistake. The fact that you can't accept that you made a mistake is pretty hilarious and pretty sad.
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:39:00 - [33] Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Oh please. Now you are just grasping at straws. Suicide gankers in Jita are more often than not experienced older players running alt characters. Few if any 'new' players know anything about suicide ganking, let alone how to do it. All you are trying to do here little cupcake, is hide your own mistake by 'trying' to seem like you were talking about something else, when you and everyone else knows that you were referring to the OP from the start. Nice try cupcake, but you fail even at that. No, I'm just pointing out your mistake. The fact that you can't accept that you made a mistake is pretty hilarious and pretty sad. Read above cupcake. Your fail is showing. Again. I swear, idiots abound on these forums. It makes me wonder why I even bother trying to have a discussion here when stupidity runs rampant like it does. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:42:00 - [34] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Oh please. Now you are just grasping at straws. Suicide gankers in Jita are more often than not experienced older players running alt characters. Few if any 'new' players know anything about suicide ganking, let alone how to do it. All you are trying to do here little cupcake, is hide your own mistake by 'trying' to seem like you were talking about something else, when you and everyone else knows that you were referring to the OP from the start. Nice try cupcake, but you fail even at that. No, I'm just pointing out your mistake. The fact that you can't accept that you made a mistake is pretty hilarious and pretty sad. Read above cupcake. Your fail is showing. Again. I swear, idiots abound on these forums. It makes me wonder why I even bother trying to have a discussion here when stupidity runs rampant like it does. I read the sewage you posted above. It's pulled right out of your ass, and I think you know it, which makes it even funnier imo. I always love pointing out the mistakes of people who think it swells their e-peen to point out other's mistakes. Seeing them nerd rage and grasp at straws like you're doing now always makes me smile.
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:45:00 - [35] Edited by: Lucifer''s Ghost on 26/03/2010 00:46:46 Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Oh please. Now you are just grasping at straws. Suicide gankers in Jita are more often than not experienced older players running alt characters. Few if any 'new' players know anything about suicide ganking, let alone how to do it. All you are trying to do here little cupcake, is hide your own mistake by 'trying' to seem like you were talking about something else, when you and everyone else knows that you were referring to the OP from the start. Nice try cupcake, but you fail even at that. No, I'm just pointing out your mistake. The fact that you can't accept that you made a mistake is pretty hilarious and pretty sad. Read above cupcake. Your fail is showing. Again. I swear, idiots abound on these forums. It makes me wonder why I even bother trying to have a discussion here when stupidity runs rampant like it does. I read the sewage you posted above. It's pulled right out of your ass, and I think you know it, which makes it even funnier imo. I always love pointing out the mistakes of people who think it swells their e-peen to point out other's mistakes. Seeing them nerd rage and grasp at straws like you're doing now always makes me smile. Nice try cupcake. Obviously you have no clue and just think every 20 day old suicide ganker is some noob that has never played eve before and has no clue but thinks it will be awesome to blow up someone in a trade hub like Jita. Right. Sure. Anything you say brainiac. Now, when you grow a brain between your ears and start actually using it instead of using it as a seat cushion, maybe you might be able to figure out exactly how stupid you look right now. I personally doubt that will ever happen, as you seem to have been dropped on your head as a child and suffered severe and permanent brain damage. Anyway I have better things to do than to continue arguing with some reject from romper room. Have a nice day. Cupcake. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:48:00 - [36] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Nice try cupcake. Obviously you have no clue and just think every 20 day old suicide ganker is some noob that has never played eve before and has no clue but thinks it will be awesome to blow up someone in a trade hub like Jita. Do you have evidence to show that said 20 day old ganker isn't, in fact, a new player? If you do, present said evidence, otherwise stfu. Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Right. Sure. Anything you say brainiac. Ah, nerd rage is the best rage. Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Now, when you grow a brain between your ears and start actually using it instead of using it as a seat cushion, maybe you might be able to figure out exactly how stupid you look right now. I personally doubt that will ever happen, as you seem to have been dropped on your head as a child and suffered severe and permanent brain damage. More! More nerd rage! It sustains me. Man, you're a lot of fun, you know that, champ?
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:50:00 - [37] Edited by: Lucifer''s Ghost on 26/03/2010 00:53:00 Originally by: Ba'Rumph /Edit: As for your edit, I see that you know when you're beat. Most stupid people don't, so... good for you, I guess. Funny you should mention that. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:53:00 - [38] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Originally by: Ba'Rumph /Edit: As for your edit, I see that you know when you're beat. Most stupid people don't, so... good for you, I guess. Funny you should mention that. Awww, you probably should have just left it as it was. Now you shattered my illusions about you having a single good quality that sets you apart from other idiots.
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 01:03:00 - [39] Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Originally by: Ba'Rumph /Edit: As for your edit, I see that you know when you're beat. Most stupid people don't, so... good for you, I guess. Funny you should mention that. Awww, you probably should have just left it as it was. Now you shattered my illusions about you having a single good quality that sets you apart from other idiots. You are pretty hilarious. In a sad, pathetic, attention seeking sort of way. I really honestly feel sorry for and pity for you. It must be hard going through life with so few actual working brain cells. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 01:08:00 - [40] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Edited by: Lucifer''s Ghost on 26/03/2010 01:06:53 Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Originally by: Ba'Rumph /Edit: As for your edit, I see that you know when you're beat. Most stupid people don't, so... good for you, I guess. Funny you should mention that. Awww, you probably should have just left it as it was. Now you shattered my illusions about you having a single good quality that sets you apart from other idiots. You are pretty hilarious. In a sad, pathetic, attention seeking sort of way. I really honestly feel sorry for and pity for you. It must be hard going through life with so few actual working brain cells. Anyway cupcake, I really do need to go now, I have more important things to do in life than entertain some mental midget on the internet. Have A Nice Day. Cupcake. No, don't go. I need more of your nerd rage!

Benri Konpaku	Posted - 2010.03.26 01:49:00 - [41] Guys... get a room.
yourdoingitwrong	Posted - 2010.03.26 02:11:00 - [42] omg i undocked from the suicide capital of eve in a paper thin hauler and got killed I DEMAND RETRIBUTION WAAAAAAAAHHHH
Lady Aja Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.26 05:08:00 - [43] Edited by: Lady Aja on 26/03/2010 05:10:36 Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! The OP chose the latter.... You chose to carry a lot of valuables around in what is essentially a wet paper bag, probably not taking any of the relative easy precautions that could have saved you, maybe even AFK'd... You probably didn't scout, you probably took the direct route, you probably fitted for cargo capacity, and probably didn't pay attention. The game rules (for now) are that ships are cheap and can suicide gank! You CHOSE willingly to ignore this rule, probably didn't take any precautions, and got toasted! The fault for that lies ENTIRELY on your shoulders! Most likely you know this deep down, but is desperately trying to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault by making loud noises that it is someone else's. It won't work though... In EVE YOU and YOU ALONE is responsible for your safety! When you get blown up, YOU have full and sole responsibility for it because you put yourself in position to being blown up! So stop crying ffs.... WRONG I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. I will never get ganked at the jita 4-4 undock port. unless i get black screen of death. undocking from there is so easy. 1st. undock. see where you ship is headed for. and if no ships are in your way. head for the more appropriate warp to. planet/moon/station. mid warp make a safe spot. call it insta undock if you will. if you undock and warp to this " insta undock " you should be fine. always think to your self. how would i get around this? and try it. nothing to loose cept 38m isk :P
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.26 05:12:00 - [44] Has no one mentioned the natural insta undock from Jita 4-4? Amatuers. Signature removed, ♥ Parrots, but they aren't EVE Online sigs. Zymurgist Why you! :(((((((
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.26 06:58:00 - [45] I'm more than sure that said 20 day old character was an alt. To train a char to fly in a bs after 20 days requires dedicated training, just for a bs, nothing else. Genuine new player wouldn't do this because that bs pilot will be good for nothing but undocking in his ship and, yes, ganking haulers in high sec. It's most likely a throw away alt of some "leet" PvPer. But strange that he'd fallen for 38 mill. Well, may be his main has some ISK problems? Who knows...
JamnMag	Posted - 2010.03.26 07:15:00 - [46] Black Lightning did you choose your char name from the comic book character "Black Lightning" or the movie? most likely some new guy just getting into ganking, or ganking+insurance scam
V'nessa Kreona	Posted - 2010.03.26 07:19:00 - [47] Edited by: V''nessa Kreona on 26/03/2010 07:24:35 wrong thread
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.26 07:36:00 - [48] Originally by: JamnMag Black Lightning did you choose your char name from the comic book character "Black Lightning" or the movie? most likely some new guy just getting into ganking, or ganking+insurance scam No, the char was created before the movie and I've never heard about the comic. Just a coincidence I thin.
Wyke Mossari Gallente Staner Industries	Posted - 2010.03.26 08:07:00 - [49] Edited by: Wyke Mossari on 26/03/2010 08:14:14 Originally by: Kerfira Originally by: Tippia a Badger II can be given some 30k EHP Low Slots: 1x Damage Control II 2x Power Diagnostic System II Mid Slots: 3x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 1x Invulnerability Field II Rigs: 3x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I EHP: 31.274 as per EFT Quoted for truth. Large Passive Buffer tank, you won't have time to use an active tank. You can use passive shield hardeners so they are always on. Even if you don't have the skills for T2 Transport or even LSE II you can use T1, (meta 3) Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I or Meta 4 Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction. Similar Medium fits work on all T1 Haulers with minimal skills, use them! These fits WORK, even my low skill alts use these and have shrugged off All attempts at suicide ganking. A 20 day old suicide ganker will not break a properly put together passive tank before CONCORD gets him. [Mammoth, Tank a Suicide Gank Mammoth] Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Damage Control I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Medium Azeotropic Ward Salubrity I Heat Dissipation Amplifier I Viscoelastic EM Ward Salubrity I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] 10,400 EHP [Iteron Mark V, Tank a Suicide Gank Iteron] Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Power Diagnostic System I Damage Control I Medium Shield Extender I Medium Shield Extender I Medium Shield Extender I Explosion Dampening Amplifier I Magnetic Scattering Amplifier I [empty high slot] [empty high slot] 10,900 EHP. With tanking skills and the right meta items these can be raised above 16k EHP.
Nareg Maxence Gallente JotunHeim Hird	Posted - 2010.03.26 08:27:00 - [50] One thing. If it was twenty day old char, it smells a bit like he is recycling suicide gank chars, which is an exploit.

LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.26 10:33:00 - [51] Originally by: Black Lightning I'm more than sure that said 20 day old character was an alt. To train a char to fly in a bs after 20 days requires dedicated training, just for a bs, nothing else. Genuine new player wouldn't do this because that bs pilot will be good for nothing but undocking in his ship and, yes, ganking haulers in high sec. It's most likely a throw away alt of some "leet" PvPer. But strange that he'd fallen for 38 mill. Well, may be his main has some ISK problems? Who knows... Or, for the lulz, on the off chance for some tears in local... Or, perhaps a tearful thread about how you got popped for no reason Looks like a win to me!
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.03.26 10:53:00 - [52] While everyone here's busy throwing mud at each other, I'm just going to sneak in and make 2 quick points: 1) There are already several ways to make yourself nearly immune to all but the most targeted suicide ganks, which should be doable anyway. a jita insta, proper autopilot settings and and istabs to name a few. 2) The op may have only been moving 38mil worth of stuff, but he was doing it in an 800k hauler, that can literally be flown within 15 minutes of character creation (well maybe not depending on the hauler, but the point is t1 haulers are the hauling equivalent to frigates). You have no business complaining about suicide ganking when you carry ~40 times the value of your ship in its cargo and still fly a ship that takes barely any skills to fly. I just don't get why people insist on looking at a hauler, that has the same rough cost and skill investment as a frigate, and think hmmm, I guess this is completely adequate for hauling the belongings of someone who's been playing for months/years and is worth 10s, if not hundreds of millions of isk... If you're not willing to train up for/pay for a tech II hauler/orce/freighter, then at least accept that it's your fault that you won't be as good at the many aspects of hauling (like keeping the cargo from going boom to some suicide ganker)
Phosphorus Palladium	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:11:00 - [53] Edited by: Phosphorus Palladium on 26/03/2010 11:16:36 Old topic about a flawed game mechanic. Currently, as has been stated, it is profitable to suicide gank even if the target has no cargo at all. Insurance frauded ships turn a profit from blowing up, so instead of pressing self destruct to make a profit, might as well suicide gank. It is highly annoying that CCP is so slow on fixing a broken game mechanic. The lowering of the insurance payouts may or may not work. If mineral prices adjust, we are back to the good old problem.
MILK Monk Knights of the Silver Dawn Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:27:00 - [54] can I suggest? 1) create instwarp BM 2) when undocking wait till 30 sec timer comes close to end (so your speed is ok (lower) for instawarp, cause too much speed at undock is not ok) 3) you are very safe during this time (because beside being invulnerable you are still in docking range!) 4) warp 5) obligatory... profit __________________________________ I do it myyyy wayyyy... Milky Way.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.26 11:32:00 - [55] Originally by: Gladys Pank Has no one mentioned the natural insta undock from Jita 4-4? Amatuers. Natural insta-undocks are almost as bad as having no insta at all. They provide a handy starting point for creating a proper one, though. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Ivana Twinkle Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.26 14:16:00 - [56] So I heard there was cupcake in this thread, Wheres my cake?
Le Skunk Low Sec Liberators	Posted - 2010.03.26 14:24:00 - [57] Originally by: Shawshanke The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. SHE TURNED ME INTO A NEWT! (o)
Taxesarebad	Posted - 2010.03.26 14:57:00 - [58] Originally by: Black Lightning I know it was brought up numerous times, but it looks this is bordering hilarious. If you still wonder (probably not) yes, I was ganked. I was not transporting Nighthawk BPO in a Badger, there was no officer modes, no pirate implants, etc etc. The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. My ship was destroyed by a battleship (20 day old char). If suicide ganking is profitable at this level, something is wrong. Do you really need to train for a freighter or a transport ship, and spend like 70mill, or 770mill to move 38mill of crap in 0.9 system? lets learn to read to the people who keep referring to the nighthawk.. the point is, its not like he had a bil in cargo. to fix gankers dont give them insurance payouts. even mutibillion dollar accounts will drain at a decent rate if they lose 50mil+ a gank.
Cambarus The Compass Reloaded	Posted - 2010.03.26 15:59:00 - [59] Originally by: Taxesarebad Originally by: Black Lightning ... lets learn to read to the people who keep referring to the nighthawk.. the point is, its not like he had a bil in cargo. to fix gankers dont give them insurance payouts. even mutibillion dollar accounts will drain at a decent rate if they lose 50mil+ a gank. Gankers aren't the problem, people who transport more than 20 times the cost of a ship in its cargohold are. Hell, I'd argue that undocking in a ship carrying more than TEN times its worth in cargo is grounds to make you a valid target. Invest in something not so fragile, follow a few very basic steps to ensure your safety, and, unless someone is out to get you specifically, you WILL ensure your safety. That being said, I wouldn't mind if they removed insurance from suicide ganking...provided they make it possible in a .5 to gank the 800k haulers people keep bringing around with an 800k destroyer
Sheep Dip	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:12:00 - [60] Edited by: Sheep Dip on 26/03/2010 16:12:55 The thread So far: --OP Cries fowl over suicide ganking --OP is told he is doing it wrong --Two poster nerd rages over minor detail --OP is offered advice so it doesn't happen again? --This poster edits for spelling, possible flames Did I miss anything?

Vaerah Vahrokha Minmatar Vahrokh Consulting	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:28:00 - [61] Quote: 38 mil + "basically worthless" Tears. They are never worthless. Quote: Has no one mentioned the natural insta undock from Jita 4-4? Amatuers. I used to use that "natural insta" for my freigthers but once I have been scanned there for 3 times I made a mid 4-4 - to - planet other bookmark. Suicide gankers are not stupid, they also know about the planet thingie. Quote: Natural insta-undocks are almost as bad as having no insta at all. They provide a handy starting point for creating a proper one, though We say the same things too often. Wish I could get back in DR again and have some talks as alliance mates Quote: Gankers aren't the problem, people who transport more than 20 times the cost of a ship in its cargohold are. After all, would anyone carry 38,000 euros on a 800 euros value used citycar and keep those 38k euros sticked to the glasses for all to see? I mean, where did common sense go? - Auditing & consulting When looking for investors, please read http://tinyurl.com/n5ys4h + http://tinyurl.com/lrg4oz
Brucco	Posted - 2010.03.26 16:38:00 - [62] Originally by: MILK Monk can I suggest? 1) create instwarp BM 2) when undocking wait till 30 sec timer comes close to end (so your speed is ok (lower) for instawarp, cause too much speed at undock is not ok) 3) you are very safe during this time (because beside being invulnerable you are still in docking range!) 4) warp 5) obligatory... profit So when you initially undock you're invulnerable ? Really? I never knew that. Is this High/Low/Null Sec?
Ivana Twinkle Amarr Red Federation	Posted - 2010.03.26 17:42:00 - [63] Originally by: Sheep Dip Edited by: Sheep Dip on 26/03/2010 16:12:55 The thread So far: --OP Cries fowl over suicide ganking --OP is told he is doing it wrong --Two poster nerd rages over minor detail --OP is offered advice so it doesn't happen again? --This poster edits for spelling, possible flames Did I miss anything? You forgot the cupcake!
Atomik Harmonik	Posted - 2010.03.26 18:16:00 - [64] "I'm more than sure that said 20 day old character was an alt. To train a char to fly in a bs after 20 days requires dedicated training, just for a bs, nothing else. Genuine new player wouldn't do this because that bs pilot will be good for nothing but undocking in his ship and, yes, ganking haulers in high sec. It's most likely a throw away alt of some "leet" PvPer. But strange that he'd fallen for 38 mill. Well, may be his main has some ISK problems? Who knows..." Pretty sure you're right on the character, but that being said; 38mil 'free' ISK from an instapop unprotected target...kinda like somebody waving a plate of freshly fried bacon under your nose, and then expecting you not to take a piece. No amount is too small if it's free.
Khemul Zula Amarr Keisen Trade League	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:22:00 - [65] Originally by: Brucco Originally by: MILK Monk can I suggest? 1) create instwarp BM 2) when undocking wait till 30 sec timer comes close to end (so your speed is ok (lower) for instawarp, cause too much speed at undock is not ok) 3) you are very safe during this time (because beside being invulnerable you are still in docking range!) 4) warp 5) obligatory... profit So when you initially undock you're invulnerable ? Really? I never knew that. Is this High/Low/Null Sec? Yes. This thread made me hungry. Originally by: GM Horse I've sadly misplaced my magic "find farmers in ravens" button.
Gladys Pank Amarr Trillionaire High-Rollers Suicidal Bassoon Orkesta	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:36:00 - [66] Originally by: Tippia Originally by: Gladys Pank Has no one mentioned the natural insta undock from Jita 4-4? Amatuers. Natural insta-undocks are almost as bad as having no insta at all. They provide a handy starting point for creating a proper one, though. I should have been clearer. They're useful in a pinch, relying on them on a regular basis is a foolish idea. You can use it to setup your own bm under hostiles noses before undocking the valuables. Signature removed, ♥ Parrots, but they aren't EVE Online sigs. Zymurgist Why you! :(((((((
Baneken Gallente Aseveljet Sev3rance	Posted - 2010.03.26 19:49:00 - [67] As far as 30,5K ehp goes it isn't really that much when you think of it, for example look at the humble little thorax. [Thorax, pvp rax] Damage Control II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II 1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II 10MN MicroWarpdrive I Stasis Webifier II Warp Scrambler II Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Trimark Armor Pump I Medium Ancillary Current Router I Hammerhead II x5 31,3K EHP and 390(548 with drones) dps and definitely attracts less ganks then a badger as for a 20day old character that was quite obviously someone's alt unless he grinded towards lvl 4's like no tomorrow just to get a BS to gank in Jita.
Sissy Fuzz Amarr Sissy Fuzz Communications	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:10:00 - [68] Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Yeah. You are so big. Pathetic little nerd.
Sissy Fuzz Amarr Sissy Fuzz Communications	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:17:00 - [69] Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! You probably didn't scout Scout for what? A BS? Originally by: Kerfira So stop crying ffs.... Stop giving imbecile advice ffs.
Malcanis Vanishing Point. The Initiative.	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:24:00 - [70] Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Yeah. You are so big. Pathetic little nerd. Now that Badger pilot is a Ghost Rider In The Sky.

Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.27 11:32:00 - [71] Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Originally by: Kerfira You probably didn't scout Scout for what? A BS? For gankers, obviously. Quote: Stop giving imbecile advice ffs. It's excellent advice. Not understanding or heeding it is rather imbecile. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Galleter	Posted - 2010.03.27 12:28:00 - [72] heh - guys - what next? someone will suicide noobships because they have 1 unit of tritanium, and basic laser? so make in jita npc 0.0, all near jita lowsec, and let it burn. It should be fun.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.27 12:32:00 - [73] Edited by: Kerfira on 27/03/2010 12:34:09 Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Scout for what? A BS? A BS that looks like it is waiting to gank people.... They're blindingly obvious IF you take the time to look! It is kinda like if you want to take a quick dip in the Florida Glades... You check whether there are any alligators in the water first! Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Originally by: Kerfira So stop crying ffs.... Stop giving imbecile advice ffs. Scouting, insta undocks, route planning, fitting for tank, and paying attention are EXCELLENT advice for anyone flying a hauler. If you can't see that, you're seriously deficient at playing this game ('My Little Pony Online' might be more up your alley) Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Originally by: The Crushah I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Yeah. You are so big. Pathetic little nerd. How you can see anything wrong with blowing up spaceships in a game about blowing up spaceships, THAT's the pathetic bit Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.03.27 12:45:00 - [74] Originally by: Sissy Fuzz Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Yeah. You are so big. Pathetic little nerd. Big and Little? --
Serpents smile	Posted - 2010.03.27 13:55:00 - [75] Originally by: Brucco So when you initially undock you're invulnerable ? Really? I never knew that. Is this High/Low/Null Sec? High, low and null sec. This is how you play undocking games. Undock and hit the stop button (it is the only action you can take to stay invulnerable anything else breaks the invul), for 30 seconds you are "safe" to see if you need to dock up asap or if you can continue your journey. Does not work with some stations that spit you out of docking range when you undock. Also not when the station is bubbled (I think). And of course you can be bumped out of docking range by others fed up with you docking undocking infinite times.
Ralara Caldari Vivicide Vivisection.	Posted - 2010.03.27 14:22:00 - [76] Originally by: Serpents smile Also not when the station is bubbled (I think). Wrong. Quote: And of course you can be bumped out of docking range by others fed up with you docking undocking infinite times. not in those 30 seconds. --


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