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Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:49:00 - [1] I know it was brought up numerous times, but it looks this is bordering hilarious. If you still wonder (probably not) yes, I was ganked. I was not transporting Nighthawk BPO in a Badger, there was no officer modes, no pirate implants, etc etc. The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. My ship was destroyed by a battleship (20 day old char). If suicide ganking is profitable at this level, something is wrong. Do you really need to train for a freighter or a transport ship, and spend like 70mill, or 770mill to move 38mill of crap in 0.9 system?
Stray Bullets	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:53:00 - [2] Got owned by a 20 day noob? Something must be wrong!
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:54:00 - [3] Originally by: Black Lightning Nighthawk BPO in a Badger […] The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. My ship was destroyed by a battleship Seems about right. Where's the problem (well, apart from T2 BPO:s apparently being ridiculously cheap)? Oh, and is suppose the ganker was a bit wasteful, using a BS and all, when he could have earned more by using something far cheaper. ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.03.25 17:55:00 - [4] When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix.
Shawshanke	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:16:00 - [5] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent.
Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:20:00 - [6] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. Wait for trit to drop below 1.5/unit. Besides, you should really start using an orca for moving expensive stuff around.
Vaal Erit Science and Trade Institute	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:24:00 - [7] If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. Originally by: Jim Raynor EVE needs danger, EVE needs risks, EVE needs combat, even piracy, without these things, the game stagnates to a trivial game centering around bloating your wallet with no purpose.
The Crushah Gallente Death of Virtue MeatSausage EXPRESS	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:40:00 - [8] Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die.
Kuar Z'thain Fraser's Finest	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:41:00 - [9] Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die.
Deebs McFluffen Gallente Cryo Innovations A.P.O.P.H.I.S	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:50:00 - [10] Originally by: Kuar Z'thain Originally by: The Crushah Originally by: Shawshanke Originally by: Kuar Z'thain When Tech 1 hulls cost you NEGATIVE Isk after insurance, you can get away with doing all sorts of stupid things. Wait for the insurance fix. The insurance fix will do absolutely nothing about suicide ganking. The gankers I know have multi-billion liquid and gank empty industrials out of boredom all the time just because its easy due to industrials having no HP and the draw backs are almost non-existent. I alpha'ed a Badger in Balle, just to watch it die. Listening to that song at this very moment. Give more Medium slots for a shield Buffer or up the Hitpoints is what I would like to see. Deebs McFLuffen
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 20:57:00 - [11] Originally by: Vaal Erit If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. And what exactly did I wrong? Is it really necessary to use T2 transport to move 38 mill stuff around? That means that in order to protect myself from 20 day noob, I'd have to train for 50 days and spend 45 mill ISK on skills, plus 70 mill on the ship itself? The problem is that T1 indys have no tank at all. The char that's barely able to undock in a bs can alpha the ship. I think, industrial ships tank should be increased so that wouldn't be popped if someone kust looks at it. Another problem is insurance. After his bs with T1 crappy modules was popped by CONCORD he probably made a little profit with insurance, my cargo was just a bonus. No idea why CCP can't make insurance void if ship was destroyed by CONCORD.
Catherine Frasier	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:00:00 - [12] Originally by: Vaal Erit If a 20d old character suicide ganked you, you are doing something wrong. That should be true, but it's not.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:26:00 - [13] A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! The OP chose the latter.... You chose to carry a lot of valuables around in what is essentially a wet paper bag, probably not taking any of the relative easy precautions that could have saved you, maybe even AFK'd... You probably didn't scout, you probably took the direct route, you probably fitted for cargo capacity, and probably didn't pay attention. The game rules (for now) are that ships are cheap and can suicide gank! You CHOSE willingly to ignore this rule, probably didn't take any precautions, and got toasted! The fault for that lies ENTIRELY on your shoulders! Most likely you know this deep down, but is desperately trying to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault by making loud noises that it is someone else's. It won't work though... In EVE YOU and YOU ALONE is responsible for your safety! When you get blown up, YOU have full and sole responsibility for it because you put yourself in position to being blown up! So stop crying ffs.... Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:33:00 - [14] Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! The OP chose the latter.... You chose to carry a lot of valuables around in what is essentially a wet paper bag, probably not taking any of the relative easy precautions that could have saved you, maybe even AFK'd... You probably didn't scout, you probably took the direct route, you probably fitted for cargo capacity, and probably didn't pay attention. The game rules (for now) are that ships are cheap and can suicide gank! You CHOSE willingly to ignore this rule, probably didn't take any precautions, and got toasted! The fault for that lies ENTIRELY on your shoulders! Most likely you know this deep down, but is desperately trying to convince yourself that it wasn't your fault by making loud noises that it is someone else's. It won't work though... In EVE YOU and YOU ALONE is responsible for your safety! When you get blown up, YOU have full and sole responsibility for it because you put yourself in position to being blown up! So stop crying ffs.... WRONG I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away.
Obsidian Hawk RONA Legion	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:40:00 - [15] Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira A wise person plays a game under the rules it has, not under the rules he wish it had! stuff WRONG I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. op you must not know how to fit haulers then. My mammoth has 13k ehp on it. well outside most suicide gankers insta pop range. here is what you do, get a badger mk II, put on field extender rigs to get moar shields. put on an passive em / explosive resists. and a bunch of extenders. then in the lows put 2 power diagnostics and expanders and bam. most battleships wont be able to gank you. I would also reccomend that you spend a long time looking at available hardwire implants to see which ones will extend shields and give you more armor. nuff said.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:45:00 - [16] Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:46:00 - [17] I can only assume you meant Nighthawk BPC, cause T2 BPO's are worth a bit more than 38m. I don't think it shows a difference on the ship scanner, same as it shows no different on the killboard. So, it LOOKED like you were carrying a BPO. Easily worth it. At least, as I recall, that is. What kind of tank were you fitting? Were you 100% cargo extender fit, to carry around 1 BPC, or did you do the smart thing and fit nanofibers (or, at LEAST unfit the extenders)? Were you on autopilot? If all you were carrying was a BPC, the safest way to go is a small, fast [ceptor], cloaky [covops / bomber], or tanky [AF / HAC] ship. Or, a heavily tanked BS.
Cyaxares II	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:47:00 - [18] Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. make yourself an undock bookmark at 4-4 (300km out or so), you will need it anyways once you fly somewhat bigger hauling ships.
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:48:00 - [19] Orcas help too. Put it in the corp hangar. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Black Lightning	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:52:00 - [20] Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds.
LoudMouth InLocal	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:54:00 - [21] Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. That's not too far off from the base cost of the lower-end battleships. I'm sure you've heard of insurance, right?
Barakkus Caelestis Iudicium	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:56:00 - [22] Originally by: LoudMouth InLocal Originally by: Black Lightning Originally by: Kerfira Edited by: Kerfira on 25/03/2010 21:46:59 Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. So you were in the absolute WORST place in EVE, doing the absolute worst you can do there, undock from 4-4 in a paper-thin hauler with valuables, most likely not tanked (otherwise you'd have used that as a defence), KNOWING there's a bunch of gankers waiting outside, and doing it without using an insta undock bookmark As said.... FULLY AND COMPLETELY YOUR OWN FAULT! It is so easy to get out of 4-4 alive, if you THINK and PLAN just a little. I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. That's not too far off from the base cost of the lower-end battleships. I'm sure you've heard of insurance, right? This ^^ Usually if I'm going to suicide something in a BS, it's made from a bpc that runs about a mil and whatever minerals I've managed to get from refining mission loot or mining with an alt. Essentially getting me free money from the insurance payout. Originally by: CCP Dropbear rofl edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 21:56:00 - [23] Originally by: Black Lightning I thought that 38 mill would be too low amount of ISK to attract those suicide carrion birds. You obviously know about the forum, and you probably read it too.... I honestly don't believe your statement as it's been posted time and time again here that often the gankers don't even bother scanning, but just shoot haulers at random. As you're implicitly admitting, it was completely your own fault, and you've hopefully learned from it. EVE is a game of consequence, and punishes mistakes harshly. This is a GOOD thing as it makes the game challenging and encourage you to learn. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Izztyrr Maemtor Caldari Suddenly Ninjas Tear Extraction And Reclamation Service	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:20:00 - [24] Originally by: Black Lightning My ship was destroyed by a battleship (20 day old char). LOL! That's has to be the funniest thing I've read all day. Thanks for the laugh OP. Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Tippia Reikoku IT Alliance	Posted - 2010.03.25 22:53:00 - [25] Just because others have said the same thing already won't stop me from repeating it… Originally by: Black Lightning I was in high sec, in Jita, undocking from 4-4. How you can scout there? No matter how you fit badger, it insta-pops if bs shoots at it. There was no direct or indirect route - the destination was 3 jumps away. For the record, a Badger II can be given some 30k EHP. Said Badger II can warp in 0 seconds from undock. Every 3-jump destination from Jita has multiple indirect routes (not that you need them since they can't catch you when you warp off and can't instapop you). ——— “If you're not willing to fight for what you have in ≡v≡… you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.” — Karath Piki
Kerfira Audaces Fortuna Iuvat	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:27:00 - [26] Originally by: Tippia a Badger II can be given some 30k EHP Low Slots: 1x Damage Control II 2x Power Diagnostic System II Mid Slots: 3x Medium Shield Extender II 1x Photon Scattering Field II 1x Heat Dissipation Field II 1x Invulnerability Field II Rigs: 3x Medium Core Defence Field Extender I EHP: 31.274 as per EFT Originally by: CCP Wrangler EVE isn't designed to just look like a cold, dark and harsh world, it's designed to be a cold, dark and harsh world.
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.25 23:42:00 - [27] Originally by: Black Lightning *I was not* transporting Nighthawk BPO in a Badger, there was no officer modes, no pirate implants, etc etc. The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. You know.. you 'smart guys' really need to learn how to read, and comprehend what you read because for all your brains, you guys look pretty stupid right now. The OP stated clearly that he did NOT transport anything of value, yet over and over again you brainiacs keep stating "don't transport T2 BPO's etc" as if the OP had actually been transporting them, despite him saying he wasn't very clearly in his post. While I do agree, hauling in an untanked ship out of Jita is about equal to handing over your goods w/o a fight, and the OP would have done better to tank his ship, rather than think he was safe because his cargo was basically worthless... it doesn't change the fail cascade of you people that can't read what the OP actually posted, versus what you THINK he posted because you fail at reading comprehension. -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:10:00 - [28] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost his cargo was basically worthless... 1. 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially to a 20 days old character. 2. If the cargo was "basically worthless", there's no need whining about it as he lost "basically nothing."
Lucifer's Ghost Minmatar Native Freshfood	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:17:00 - [29] Originally by: Ba'Rumph Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost his cargo was basically worthless... 1. 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially to a 20 days old character. 2. If the cargo was "basically worthless", there's no need whining about it as he lost "basically nothing." Reading comprehension failure detected (again). He said he was GANKED by a 20 day old character. Not that HE was a 20 day old character. Furthermore he himself stated his cargo was basically worthless. I will quote him for you... Originally by: Black Lightning The cargo was worth barely more than 38 mill. Do you really need to train for a freighter or a transport ship, and spend like 70mill, or 770mill to move 38mill of crap in 0.9 system? -------------------------------------------------- Real Men Pod Tank
Ba'Rumph The Really Awesome Players	Posted - 2010.03.26 00:26:00 - [30] Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Reading comprehension failure detected (again). He said he was GANKED by a 20 day old character. Not that HE was a 20 day old character. Indeed it's reading comprehension failure, but it's on your part. 38 mil is a lot for a 20 day old character, hence the 20 day old character saw fit to gank the person for 38 mil. Got it now, sport? Originally by: Lucifer's Ghost Furthermore he himself stated his cargo was basically worthless. I will quote him for you... No need to quote him. Unlike you, I can read. As I said, 38 mil isn't "basically worthless", especially not for a 20 day old character (the ganker in case you have trouble getting your head around who I am talking about). Might I recommend that you take a look at your own comprehension before you go about posting **** on the forums?

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