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Boomershoot Caldari Suddenly Ninjas	Posted - 2010.03.29 06:12:00 - [121] Originally by: King Gore Has the OP gotten his account unbanned? Yes, The ban expired.
Mordorg Gallente Aliastra	Posted - 2010.03.29 07:27:00 - [122] Originally by: Hixxy while it might not be the case for the OP but only a 3 day ban for macroing? should be insta account lockdown and for eternity or until proven otherwise. also posting it's just a 3 day ban might not be too clever an idea as it might encourage people to try it as the penalties are so weak. I used to feel exactly this way. But then I was banned for botting in another game because I "didn't respond to a GM" while I was obviously afk in a safe zone. Even GMs can make mistakes, as this case shows. He did not violate the eula as it is written; it merely appeared that it he was.
Mitchello Caldari The Collective Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.29 10:09:00 - [123] Edited by: Mitchello on 29/03/2010 10:09:26 Originally by: Mordorg Even GMs can make mistakes, as this case shows. He did not violate the eula as it is written; it merely appeared that it he was. In this case however the GM has not made a mistake, the player in question was silly enough to demonstrate to the public how he achieves an unfair advantage in obtaining items (etc.) at an accelerated pace because of synchronised control over his clients, previously through software control and later on through (hilarious really but still within the same paradigm) tying his mice together to achieve the same accelerated results. Unless I am mistaken and he has not lined up his clients, mirrored the UI's, synchronised client UI element positions and synchronised his mice to control 14 clients simultaneously through singular actions in the screenshots he uploaded.
Nina Mercedez	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:17:00 - [124] Originally by: Wendi Watson http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp Section 7, A, 3: Quote: You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game. Such a setup can hardly be considered a normal game play So what is considered "normal gameplay"? I use 4, if not 5, accounts on a daily basis in missions. Some might not consider this normal, but it's normal for me. And sometimes I use my other computer, too.
Aera Aiana	Posted - 2010.03.29 11:44:00 - [125] ... I don't mind the multiboxing... but seriously dude, 14 accounts? Are you singlehandedly trying to keep the PLEX price high?
Azran Zala Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:44:00 - [126] Edited by: Azran Zala on 29/03/2010 12:47:19 If using synergy is cause for banning, then thats just stupid. I too use synergy, not really to multibox, but simply because I dont want 4 different keyboards and mice on my desk. (fileserver, media-pc, gamerig, laptop) I have my desktops sitting neatly beside my desk with table cloths over them providing secondary functions as end tables. And I use my laptop's keyboard and mouse to control them all. Synergy just allows u to use 1 mouse and keyboard for multiple machines. All it does is save space. It doesnt do anything for you.
Ivas Tiffy Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.03.29 12:51:00 - [127] Edited by: Ivas Tiffy on 29/03/2010 12:51:21 Originally by: Azran Zala Edited by: Azran Zala on 29/03/2010 12:47:19 If using synergy is cause for banning, then thats just stupid. I too use synergy, not really to multibox, but simply because I dont want 4 different keyboards and mice on my desk. (fileserver, media-pc, gamerig, laptop) I have my desktops sitting neatly beside my desk with table cloths over them providing secondary functions as end tables. And I use my laptop's keyboard and mouse to control them all. Synergy just allows u to use 1 mouse and keyboard for multiple machines. All it does is save space. It doesnt do anything for you. i am sure you are trolling... cloth over your pc cases? lol
Azran Zala Fleet of the Damned	Posted - 2010.03.29 13:01:00 - [128] Originally by: Ivas Tiffy Edited by: Ivas Tiffy on 29/03/2010 12:51:21 Originally by: Azran Zala Edited by: Azran Zala on 29/03/2010 12:47:19 If using synergy is cause for banning, then thats just stupid. I too use synergy, not really to multibox, but simply because I dont want 4 different keyboards and mice on my desk. (fileserver, media-pc, gamerig, laptop) I have my desktops sitting neatly beside my desk with table cloths over them providing secondary functions as end tables. And I use my laptop's keyboard and mouse to control them all. Synergy just allows u to use 1 mouse and keyboard for multiple machines. All it does is save space. It doesnt do anything for you. i am sure you are trolling... cloth over your pc cases? lol Ok the cloth was an exagiration, but yeah I do stack 2 on each side and use them as extra table space. Also : Quote: "But then I come to realize after complaining to other multiboxers on dual-boxing.com that CCP may not even allow software multiboxing - that is sending a keyboard or mouseclick to multiple computers or clients at the same time via multiboxing software such as Synergy, Keyclone, Octopus, etc." Synergy doesnt send the same key/mouse click to multiple pcs at once. It switches focus to a specific pc, (whichever u've moved the mouse cursor to) and sends keyboard/mouse commands over the network. Basically it gives u the look and feel of having a multi-monitor setup.
Ashira Twilight	Posted - 2010.03.29 14:01:00 - [129] I think his "command center" is sexy. To all you "get a life!" people, you're all just jealous of the man. I know I am.
H3llHound Blacksteel Mining and Manufacturing	Posted - 2010.03.29 14:42:00 - [130] i hope you got an Ac in there, otherwise i dont want to imagine the heat in there on a hot day __________________________________________________ We are Recruiting

Arrs Grazznic Poena Executive Solutions	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:23:00 - [131] Originally by: Ivas Tiffy i hope you get perma removed! just so you know.. when you brag to corp/alliance mates about using synergy or similar programmes... it eventually gets around what you do. and you DO get petitioned.. Do you actually know what Synergy is? All it allows you to do is control multiple computers from a single mouse and keyboard combination. It doesn't record mouse clicks or key strokes for later playback. It doesn't duplicate mouse clicks or key strokes onto other computers. Read about Synergy here, but pay careful attention to this: Quote: Synergy lets you easily share a single mouse and keyboard between multiple computers with different operating systems, each with its own display, without special hardware. It's intended for users with multiple computers on their desk since each system uses its own monitor(s). Redirecting the mouse and keyboard is as simple as moving the mouse off the edge of your screen. Synergy also merges the clipboards of all the systems into one, allowing cut-and-paste between systems. Furthermore, it synchronizes screen savers so they all start and stop together and, if screen locking is enabled, only one screen requires a password to unlock them all. Learn more about how it works. Cheers, Arrs
Ivas Tiffy Amarr Royal Amarr Institute	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:39:00 - [132] but this does not eexplains why he has 12 ships with the same exact setups... his taped mouse setup is PURE 100% fail. i hope his accounts remain banned. he has put that up as a scape goat to dance around an unfair advantage. and no.. a g15 is NOTHING like a "macro" it wont record mouse strokes etc.
Lord Slater Amarr Kodan Armada	Posted - 2010.03.29 17:45:00 - [133] Heh nice setup. I wish a senior Gm or dev would claryfy this tho as who knows one day i might have such a need too. ----------------------------------------------- YYAARRHH HAHAHA IM THE HAPPY PIRATE
Hixxy Caldari Provisions	Posted - 2010.03.29 18:01:00 - [134] Originally by: Ivas Tiffy but this does not eexplains why he has 12 ships with the same exact setups... his taped mouse setup is PURE 100% fail. i hope his accounts remain banned. he has put that up as a scape goat to dance around an unfair advantage. and no.. a g15 is NOTHING like a "macro" it wont record mouse strokes etc. but before weapon grouping was added to EvE you could "group" things and set them to buttons. they posted it was ok to use too i think. 1 guy jumping through with 14 chars and insta locking/firing/whatever with 1 keystroke is wrong. not sure how this program works but if that's the case he got off lightly, they looked and saw 14 accounts and "gave him a warning". i hope when they catch somone auto mining etc they dont get that privlage and are insta banned with no chance of getting the account back.
Tallaran Kouros Caldari	Posted - 2010.03.29 18:10:00 - [135] If nothing else then this is at least against the spirit of the EULA...
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.29 20:59:00 - [136] Originally by: Tallaran Kouros If nothing else then this is at least against the spirit of the EULA... How exactly? As I've mentioned several times the EULA applies to each client not all clients. This is clearly a signature.
Dogo Duma	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:02:00 - [137] Originally by: Cipher Jones Originally by: Tallaran Kouros If nothing else then this is at least against the spirit of the EULA... How exactly? As I've mentioned several times the EULA applies to each client not all clients. It's very simple really. The EULA is not a case of compliance per client, it's a case of formal terminology of "the software", "the system", "the game". Period. The topic here isn't about a client or multiple clients, single account or multiple account subscriber status (remember, your accounts are a service, we don't own anything, CCP does), it's about the guy synchronising actions across clients via a singular means of control/input, giving him an effective unfair advantage of accelerated control over his gameplay as opposed to that of any other player not using the same method (either software based or ducttaped mice doesn't matter). EULA is pretty clear on these parts really. If the guy did not synchronise control over all clients through a single means of input affecting all clients, he would not be breaking the EULA. For example, someone else playing multiple accounts has to do the same thing for all clients as someone with a single account would have to do, but one client at a time. This guy jumps over that, first through software and then with tying his mice together (he must be minmatar tbh) so that he does not have to go from one client to the next and to the next and etcetera. Instead he controls them all, at the same time, with a singular means of control which affects all clients simultaneously. Since that is not possible without what he's done, he achieves an accelerated method of control over his clients, affecting the rate of actions he undertakes in game directly. Doesn't matter if that happens in PVE or PVP really. In PVE his synchronised singular control enables him to obtain items at an accelerated pace. In PVP it enables him to wipe out items at an accelerated pace.
Gjs312 Rionnag Alba Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2010.03.29 22:12:00 - [138] Edited by: Gjs312 on 29/03/2010 22:12:38 edit: wow i misread that
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.29 23:15:00 - [139] Quote: It's very simple really. The EULA is not a case of compliance per client, actually its right there in the EULA: Quote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software Quote: A. Software License Subject to the terms of the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the Software and its accompanying documentation solely in connection with accessing the System in order to play EVE using a single valid Account. States it directly and clearly. Someone will argue, someone will call me "troll". Pre-emptive LOL. This is clearly a signature.
Dogo Duma	Posted - 2010.03.30 00:08:00 - [140] Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: It's very simple really. The EULA is not a case of compliance per client, actually its right there in the EULA: Quote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software Quote: A. Software License Subject to the terms of the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the Software and its accompanying documentation solely in connection with accessing the System in order to play EVE using a single valid Account. States it directly and clearly. Someone will argue, someone will call me "troll". Pre-emptive LOL. Nobody will call you a troll, people will at best conclude you have no reading skills, probably because there is no mention of the word "client" in what you quoted. Either way that's beside the point, since your licence is granted for "the software" on a per account basis based on the per copy abstract. Irrelevant of number of accounts you register to licence as such. Anyway, the above is a moot point. The guy accelerates the pace of actions and control, and as such breaks the EULA regardless of. And that's the core of it. Does he achieve an advantage over other players? Yes. How? Both via software and other means which provide synchronised control at accelerated rate of multiple accounts ("the software", remember). Ergo, EULA broken (violated seems such a strange word to use given the context of EVE's subscribers )

Tyaden	Posted - 2010.03.30 00:14:00 - [141] one day ill have my own wooden dowel setup...
Raptor Stan	Posted - 2010.03.30 01:49:00 - [142] So just what is normal gameplay? 1 person, one computer, 1 mouse, 1 keyboard, 1 monitor, 1 account, 1 character? CCP clearly wants you to have more than one account and approves of it. Remember the Power of Two programs? So multiple account MUST fall under the heading of "normal gameplay". Now lets say I have two accounts on two different computers and I want to go mining. For convenience I want my laser cycles to match. Now I really don't want to get banned so my only option is to lock up the rocks and place my keyboards side by side and press F1 at the same time on both keyboards using one finger on each of my two hands. But wait! I just pressed two buttons at the same time! Uh-oh! I told my two clients to mine faster than "normal gameplay" allows. But I'm not in violation of the EULA am I? Do you see how your argument against multiboxing falls apart? If I can press two buttons on two different keyboards at the same time using one finger on each hand and not be in violation of the EULA then why not place 4 keyboards such that I could press 4 buttons at a time? Would stretching my fingers across two keyboards and using more than one finger at once violate the EULA? For that matter I can make two regular sized mice fit under my hand and have my index finger on one mouse and my middle finger on the other. Am I not allowed to use one hand to move two mice? This is an exercise in absurdity. Either you have to have an absurd rule such as only allowing a player to have one account/client active at any time and only use one finger at a time or you must allow an absurd setup like Zhek demonstrated. So which do you want; one account, one finger or can you accept that EVE is a sandbox game and people will get creative both in-game and out? Personally, I am impressed with Zhek's setup. If he had fingers long enough there would be no dowels rods and this discussion would be moot. As such I think it is perfectly valid. It follows that if a hardware solution is valid then why not a software solution. As long as someone is originating each of those clicks and keystrokes at the same time they are relayed to the client what does it matter if they were replicated by a piece of software or by a dowel rod stretched across several keyboards.
Tom Peeping	Posted - 2010.03.30 03:07:00 - [143] Originally by: Vaal Erit It's a low tech macro, but still a macro. I applaud your creativity and engineering skills but am glad that CCP bans your accounts. We got enough problems with alts and people 2-3 boxing and the like, we don't need this. Also, they only ban macro users for 3 days? Well I can see why we are still flooded with macros to this day. No way.... CCP seem to have defined macros as using software to click a mouse, whereas physically clicking the keyboard is ok. This system the user has to physicially press the keys. In his favor, there've been a LOT of pretty dumb GM's out there. (sorry ccp, I really like you, seriously, but your GM's don't always check with prior GM rulings, or even your own policies, and have given us some real inconsistency many many times.)
Cipher Jones Minmatar	Posted - 2010.03.30 04:38:00 - [144] Originally by: Dogo Duma Originally by: Cipher Jones Quote: It's very simple really. The EULA is not a case of compliance per client, actually its right there in the EULA: Quote: YOUR ACCOUNT You may establish only one (1) account for each copy of the Software licensed. If you wish to establish another Account, you must obtain another license for the Software Quote: A. Software License Subject to the terms of the EULA, CCP grants you a limited, non-exclusive, revocable license to use the Software and its accompanying documentation solely in connection with accessing the System in order to play EVE using a single valid Account. States it directly and clearly. Someone will argue, someone will call me "troll". Pre-emptive LOL. Nobody will call you a troll, people will at best conclude you have no reading skills, probably because there is no mention of the word "client" in what you quoted. Either way that's beside the point, since your licence is granted for "the software" on a per account basis based on the per copy abstract. Irrelevant of number of accounts you register to licence as such. Anyway, the above is a moot point. The guy accelerates the pace of actions and control, and as such breaks the EULA regardless of. And that's the core of it. Does he achieve an advantage over other players? Yes. How? Both via software and other means which provide synchronised control at accelerated rate of multiple accounts ("the software", remember). Ergo, EULA broken (violated seems such a strange word to use given the context of EVE's subscribers ) Maybe you don't know what a client is but everyone who is seriously in this conversation understands what it is, not to mention everyones lawyers. If it creates an unfair advantage by using multiple accounts all multiple accounts are a violation of the EULA, which it clearly states is not the case. This is clearly a signature.
Chuuuy Caldari SniggWaffe	Posted - 2010.03.30 06:52:00 - [145] I don't understand why people keep calling this an 'unfair advantage'. Players constantly have advantages over each other in-game. Some players have more skill points. Some players have more ISK. Some players have more experience. So yes, he does have an advantage. However, this is not an unfair advantage. It's not unfair because anyone can go out and do it.
RedClaws Amarr Dragon's Rage E C L I P S E	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:04:00 - [146] It's impressive, be it a but out of the ordinary. I'm wondering though : what screen resolution do you use on monitor and eve client to be able to put them next to each other that seamlessly.
Mary Stardust	Posted - 2010.03.30 07:05:00 - [147] WOW - I would say that if you put as much effort into RL as you do in eve, you will do well. My guess is that is quite sad to see people doing this as it obviously an illness at this level. Get out and talk to real people.
Kalos Beila	Posted - 2010.03.30 08:38:00 - [148] Wow dude. I think I can see the future because - I can see the exact spot youre going to drop dead! In that chair. In front of those monitors. Nobody wants to see "This dude really pwnt @ EVE Online." on someone's tombstone. This is proof that it IS possible to win so much that you fail. Epicly. I wonder how much heat the earth would lose if you stepped out into the sun due to your albedo reflecting so much **ing light on your pale as ** skin? Its time to put down the game, dude.
Dogo Duma	Posted - 2010.03.30 09:43:00 - [149] Originally by: Cipher Jones Maybe you don't know what a client is but everyone who is seriously in this conversation understands what it is, not to mention everyones lawyers. If it creates an unfair advantage by using multiple accounts all multiple accounts are a violation of the EULA, which it clearly states is not the case. Repeating the same thing until infinity still does not make it true, please don't misunderstand me, I do feel sympathy for your position, it's just not going anywhere. The EULA makes no mention of the word, term, concept or abstract of "the client". End of story, right there. The concept of "unfair advantage" is one coined by CCP. It has nothing to do with single or multiple accounts. Nobody says that the use of multiple accounts creates such an unfair advantage, so no amount of repeating your strange statements is going to reach into even stranger conclusions . Please, repeat yourself again, we're all looking forward to these little lessons
Mag's the united Negative Ten.	Posted - 2010.03.30 10:00:00 - [150] Originally by: Dogo Duma Repeating the same thing until infinity still does not make it true...... The same could be said for you. I too await your repeat and little lesson.



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