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vulnevia
The Exploited.
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 09:38:00 -
[91]
 Originally by: Bo Bojangles
Originally by: vulnevia
Just you wait untill this guy buys 14 battleships and starts to gatecamp somewhere...
Oh he's pvp'd with it. I encountered Zhek's nasty little setup last July. Zhek's naming convention also makes it necessary for an opposing FC to broadcast his ships rather than call out the targets as per usual.
Hmm, I've seen a similar KM somewhere befor on battleclinic, could be that it's the same guy.
I think it's awesome though that he talks about mining in 12 ospreys when he's pvping with all those accounts, and that noone has been raging about that.
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.03.28 10:51:00 -
[92]
Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 28/03/2010 10:55:19
Originally by: AdmiralJohn
I'll bet that every single person supporting this guy is actually one of the 42 characters he is capable of using.
OP: You fail in more ways than you have accounts.
Originally by: Mara Rinn
How? He's not doing anything that 14 players side by side couldn't do too. He's not acquiring items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status faster than 14 players side by side.
He's doing ordinary game play on 14 computers side by side.
The point is, he isn't fourteen people, why the hell should he be able to benefit as if he were?
As long as you pay the money for said accounts into CCPs corporate account i doubt they could give a **** what you do with those accounts unless your macroing(which he isn't)
To the op: Very creative setup, and it's nice to see you have a hobby(computers and eve  ) Everyones desires are different, he wanted to build that, like i wanted to build a triple monitor rig for my eve.(<3 you ATI )
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SirDynty
Gallente
Boiians
Green Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 10:57:00 -
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Edited by: SirDynty on 28/03/2010 10:57:08
It rocks man,seriously! that computes and monitor trays:)
You can mine on it,i approve
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Ferroto Baggins
Caldari
Navy of Xoc
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.03.28 11:32:00 -
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Edited by: Ferroto Baggins on 28/03/2010 11:34:00
Dude that setup is beast.
If I ever win the lottery that's the first thing I'm building.
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Franny
Band of Builders Inc.
Trinova
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Posted - 2010.03.28 11:37:00 -
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o.O 14 accts!
ok, so I should kill synergy?, or just not put the 2nd acct on my 42" flatscreen when the wife's at work
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Wacktopia
Dark Side Of The Womb
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Posted - 2010.03.28 11:39:00 -
[96]
Originally by: Wendi Watson
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp
Section 7, A, 3:
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You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Such a setup can hardly be considered a normal game play
That line is so ambiguous. It doesn't mention multiple accounts so technically, if I click buttons really fast to mission faster than a 'normal' player am I too breaking the EULA? What a load of rubbish. Surely the spirit of that rule is to not 'cheat' by using a robot/macro/automation to play for you - playing 14 clients at once takes some skill in it's own right.
To the OP: Nice work, that must have taken some setting up? Also, I loled at the 4 bits of wood with marker pen on amongst all the technical wizardry :)
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Cipher Jones
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.28 16:22:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Wendi Watson
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp
Section 7, A, 3:
Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Such a setup can hardly be considered a normal game play
That line is so ambiguous. It doesn't mention multiple accounts so technically, if I click buttons really fast to mission faster than a 'normal' player am I too breaking the EULA? What a load of rubbish. Surely the spirit of that rule is to not 'cheat' by using a robot/macro/automation to play for you - playing 14 clients at once takes some skill in it's own right.
To the OP: Nice work, that must have taken some setting up? Also, I loled at the 4 bits of wood with marker pen on amongst all the technical wizardry :)
Again, this applies to each client. OP is not violating that paragraph. The paragraph ONLY applies to the client you are agreeing to the eula on. Think about it...
Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play.
Multiple accounts facilitate that, even 2 accounts. It is referring to each individual account.
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Jypsie
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Posted - 2010.03.28 17:39:00 -
[98]
I am unsure if I am impressed or horrified. 
Bit of both.
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Zacktar
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.28 18:40:00 -
[99]
Originally by: Bo Bojangles
Originally by: vulnevia
Just you wait untill this guy buys 14 battleships and starts to gatecamp somewhere...
Oh he's pvp'd with it. I encountered Zhek's nasty little setup last July. Zhek's naming convention also makes it necessary for an opposing FC to broadcast his ships rather than call out the targets as per usual.
Originally by: Zhek Kromtor
And while we're on the subject of numbers, if you and your 13 space buddies really get beat by someone using wooden dowels to control 14 ships it is abundantly clear who fails in the most ways.
I didn't see any dowels. What I saw was was your Ravens decloak, drop drones, target and fire in a unison that cannot be equated in a normal fleet orchestrated by a single target caller communicating to individual pilots.
Though as I recall there was a slight variation in the beginning of the targeting sequence between the ships,.. have you tried maple?
Seriously? I saw Zhek and all his accounts in Vylade just last night. They were all 4/09 I believe.I was like wtf is this?
Last July would put those at being 3 months old. And even if they were in cloaky Ravens you had how much time to get out? Or destroy 3 month old toons? Lol...
All he would have heard after decloaking in Ravens is weepweepweepweepweep trying to target you because of the targeting delay. You are bitter and fail if he whooped you with cloaky Ravens at 3 months old. 14 of him or not.
I salute you Zheke. Awesome setup.
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Cambarus
The Compass Reloaded
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Posted - 2010.03.28 19:44:00 -
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I find it amusing that the GMs are still avoiding this thread, half the posts on the from page of GD seem to have GM replies but this one's gone on for 4 pages with no official posts >_> |
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TekRa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.28 19:51:00 -
[101]
12 accounts doesn't mean he plays 12x more than average. take a break from the 'get a life' comments. I bet there are many people in eve who spend much more time in game with fewer accounts.
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Joe Space
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Posted - 2010.03.28 19:53:00 -
[102]
OP: keep up the good work
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Erich Herrmann
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Posted - 2010.03.28 20:01:00 -
[103]
Originally by: Boomershoot
He's clicking 13 times faster than anyone without macros could ever do.
7 times faster. If he had a keyboard under each hand, he could click twice at any one time.
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omgevenmoarfreemoniez
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Posted - 2010.03.28 20:01:00 -
[104]
I'd say the OP should get a life, but it looks like he's so far gone he might be better taking the shadow of a life that he currently has.
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AdmiralJohn
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.28 20:26:00 -
[105]
I'll bet this thread was created by mods to see who the no-lifers are.
If you really think this is cool, you need to reevaluate your priorities.
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TekRa
Minmatar
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Posted - 2010.03.28 21:07:00 -
[106]
Originally by: AdmiralJohn
I'll bet this thread was created by mods to see who the no-lifers are.
If you really think this is cool, you need to reevaluate your priorities.
as far as games go, it is quite cool; in the grand scheme of things less so.
what do you do that's so special, cured cancer yet?
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Mitchello
Caldari
The Collective
Against ALL Authorities
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Posted - 2010.03.28 21:30:00 -
[107]
Originally by: Zhek Kromtor
Here's the site explaining how I have more computers than friends:
http://sites.google.com/site/khromtor/
If we could get some clarification from CCP about whether using programs like Synergy that merely allow you to use a single mouse among multiple computers in the same way someone uses a single mouse when they have multiple displays that would definitely open the door to a lot more multiboxers...
That's quite misleading actually. You are not using a single mouse among multiple computers to go from one client to another, to another, etcetera. You are controlling all of them at the same time for the same actions, effectively doing the same thing as multiboxing software which breaches the EULA, if not through spirit of the text then even just solely by providing an unfair advantage which is just as much part of the EULA.
Or am I mistaken when I see those screenshots, it does strike me that while you are not currently using software to do it for you, you are pairing up all mouse movements to control all your clients at the same time with one singular control. Those mice are tied together, for perfect positioning, so that movement is mirrored across all your clients, while effectively moving just one mouse "unit".
That's pretty much called "obtaining an unfair advantage", exactly the same as doing it with software to not have to bother with tying those mice together.
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Professor Tarantula
Hedion University
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Posted - 2010.03.28 21:49:00 -
[108]
I can feel the EMF just looking at that setup.
My deepest sympathies.
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Dogo Duma
Caldari
The Darwin Foundation
INVICTUS.
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Posted - 2010.03.28 21:49:00 -
[109]
Originally by: Wacktopia
Originally by: Wendi Watson
http://www.eveonline.com/pnp/eula.asp
Section 7, A, 3:
Quote:
You may not use macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.
Such a setup can hardly be considered a normal game play
That line is so ambiguous. It doesn't mention multiple accounts so technically, if I click buttons really fast to mission faster than a 'normal' player am I too breaking the EULA? What a load of rubbish. Surely the spirit of that rule is to not 'cheat' by using a robot/macro/automation to play for you - playing 14 clients at once takes some skill in it's own right.
To the OP: Nice work, that must have taken some setting up? Also, I loled at the 4 bits of wood with marker pen on amongst all the technical wizardry :)
It's not ambiguous at all. If he indeed has those mice tied together for synchronised control over multiple accounts at the same time for the same coordinated actions, he has an inherent and non native advantage over other players, regardless of whether single or multi account user. Regardless of PVE or PVP, his actions are by design accelerated over those of any other player who does not have such synchronised control over all of his clients at the same time.
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Eto Tekai
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Posted - 2010.03.28 21:58:00 -
[110]
What about one of the Mercury water drinking birds like that episode of Simpsons where he had to work from home becuase he was fat.
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Johnathan Roark
Caldari
The Graduates
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2010.03.28 22:46:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Ralara
Then I guess the 20% or so of us that use G15/19 keyboards should also be banned.
Can't find it now, but I saw a thread a while back with a dev saying those are ok because they require human interaction. Same could be applied to this case, but GMs hate to admit they are wrong.
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ceaon
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.28 22:58:00 -
[112]
OP you are a hero
/respect
BTW awesome post OP you win the forums today
Originally by: CCP Adida
The male thread was locked because the discussion turned into transsexuals and man boobs.
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Berenices Herculina
Gallente
Center for Advanced Studies
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Posted - 2010.03.28 23:34:00 -
[113]
WTF...
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DiamondX
Minmatar
More-Cowbell
Cult of War
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Posted - 2010.03.28 23:38:00 -
[114]
Seriously WTF...
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Duncan MacPherson
Minmatar
Clan MacPherson
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Posted - 2010.03.29 01:39:00 -
[115]
Good on you OP.But anyone who tell you to get a life - needs to get one themselves. Who is anyone to tell anyone how to live.
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Thuranni
Eldjotnar
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Posted - 2010.03.29 01:53:00 -
[116]
Edited by: Thuranni on 29/03/2010 01:53:02
nevermind
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Orange
Silver Fox Ironworks
Black Star Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.29 02:32:00 -
[117]
Many people posting in this thread need to just relax. It is pretty obvious from reading the material on his website that is just fooling around with ospreys. There are killboard links with him in a bunch of ravens bringing the smackdown on unsuspecting foes burn eden style.
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Bo Bojangles
The Perfect Storm
Gentlemen's Club
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Posted - 2010.03.29 03:39:00 -
[118]
Originally by: Zacktar
All he would have heard after decloaking in Ravens is weepweepweepweepweep trying to target you because of the targeting delay. You are bitter and fail if he whooped you with cloaky Ravens at 3 months old. 14 of him or not.
Umm, no I'm not bitter about losing an internet spaceship dude. I was just trying to show that Zhek does more than mine with his dirty dozen or so. They weren't cloaky Ravens either, he decloaked at a gate he'd just jumped through, and I could have crossjumped him but there were more goons on the other side I think, and I'd heard of Zhek as he'd allegedly had progressed through pvping with Caracals and Drakes, and wanted to see this thing of his myself.
But sure, ok, my phoon fails at tanking 12 Ravens and change. I'll go uninstall now. =p
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AndrewNardella
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Posted - 2010.03.29 04:12:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Dogo Duma
Originally by: Wacktopia
That line is so ambiguous. It doesn't mention multiple accounts so technically, if I click buttons really fast to mission faster than a 'normal' player am I too breaking the EULA? What a load of rubbish. Surely the spirit of that rule is to not 'cheat' by using a robot/macro/automation to play for you - playing 14 clients at once takes some skill in it's own right.
To the OP: Nice work, that must have taken some setting up? Also, I loled at the 4 bits of wood with marker pen on amongst all the technical wizardry :)
It's not ambiguous at all. If he indeed has those mice tied together for synchronised control over multiple accounts at the same time for the same coordinated actions, he has an inherent and non native advantage over other players, regardless of whether single or multi account user. Regardless of PVE or PVP, his actions are by design accelerated over those of any other player who does not have such synchronised control over all of his clients at the same time.
See second to last paragraph for the important stuff.
^^ This is why it is unfair. I have a setup that allows me to view and control six clients on one computer, but I can only perform actions on one client because I only have one mouse, keyboard and cursor. The OP is cheating he is able to perform multiple actions simultaneously, he has an unfair advantage over me which is clearly against the rules.
If this were not against the rules then I would be doing it too. But since it is, the OP is cheating and deserves to be punished for his actions which are harmful to the game.
If he were to use a single mouse and keyboard along with software like synergy, input director or teleport to allow control of multiple PCs non concurrently I would approve.
All that said everything pertinent to weather these actions are breaking the rules or not is mostly irrelevant as rules are subject to interpretation. The only interpretation that is important is that of CCP. I would like to hear in this thread weather CCP thinks the OP is cheating and breaking the rules.
I also applaud the efforts the OP has made, impressive setup!
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King Gore
Gore Squad
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Posted - 2010.03.29 04:41:00 -
[120]
Has the OP gotten his account unbanned?
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