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Dhaul
Minmatar
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:37:00 -
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Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:52:00 -
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 Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
Why are you using a gimp-y O/S when current games are still designed for Windows?
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Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:15:00 -
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I had a XFX 8600 GTS 630M until recently which ran everything in EVE fine except large dustclouds combined with very bright lighting, that still caused a little lag.
It died of old age (near 2-3 years) a month or so back and I replaced it with a GTX 285, which runs EVE beautifully, although the card itself is huge (and a bit pricey) and you'll have to watch the temperatures/fan settings in the first few days.
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
Why are you using a gimp-y O/S when current games are still designed for Windows?
Because it's cool to play games on Linux, presumably.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:43:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
You mean the ones who decided to stop development of open source drivers?
Quote:
Also yes ati have dx11 cards but where are the dx11 games? D-:
1. You were the one who started about future proof.
2. BF:BC2.
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ZenZorZar
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:00:00 -
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ATI vs NVIDIA fanboys ..allways a good topic XD
but seriously ...
ATI has new chips on the market for low - mid - highend needs.
NVIDIA only released a highend moster so far that doesnt even look too good compared to ATI's 5xxx series ( especialy if you look at how much fps / watt you get)
buying NVIDIA atm basicly means buying a year old architecture .. that in the best case got renamed to fake a new product line
ATI drivers are better then their reputation... or in other words NVIDIA's are just as bad ..just in a diffrent field of use.
the moment NIVDIA trys to place their new mid & low range gpu's in the market ( and is able to deliver them in numbers ) ATI's prices will drop even more for the 5xxx series.
my vote would be go buy an ATI 5xxx series ... if you can wait a bit longer till NVIDIA has placed some more of the new gpu's on the market and the pricefights will start.
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illford baker
EVE RONIN
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:06:00 -
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you could wait a few weeks till the 12th and get a GTX 470
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:43:00 -
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EVGA GTX 480 space heater/gpu 
Seriously though, Nvidia all the way. Let the ati fanbois complain about heat when gamers/overclockers put waterblocks on their gpu's anyway. I'll take performance over heat anyday. 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:53:00 -
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Then buy a 5890
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
watttttttt??????????
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever read.
Nvidia drivers are 10000x better then ati's. Crossfire has more common problems then nvidia sli and ati has a problem with aa in most games. Nvidia has released their share of bugged drivers but ati catalyst drivers are a joke. Also compatiblilty is everything so Nvidia wins that contest. Ati fanbois were jealous of physx so we gave it to them
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Then buy a 5890
their is no 5890 out yet 
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:25:00 -
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Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What?
From the Nvidia driver page:
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196.75 Alert! NVIDIA is aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues after installing 196.75 drivers from NVIDIA's website. NVIDIA has removed these drivers and asked its partners to also remove the drivers. Any customers still using 196.75 drivers are asked to immediately discontinue use and either roll back to their previous driver or install the new 197.13 drivers.
I went from ATI (various up to X1900XT) to Nvidia (9600GT) and now I'm back with ATI (HD5870). And all I can say is that I have had more problems with Nvidia drivers in the 9 months of owning an Nvidia card than I have had with the ATI drivers in the more than 4 years of owning ATI. Its simple. Just download the plain ATI driver without CCC, install ATI Tray Tools and enjoy.
As far as Linux support goes, the open source drivers for ATI are pretty decent if you aren't playing heavy games and the binary driver is leaps and bounds better than it was 2-3 years ago (which is the mindset people have when they bring up ATI having bad Linux drivers). As someone mentioned, Nvidia dropped their open source driver and basically say that you must use VESA for just long enough to get to the Nvidia website to download their binary driver. Say what?
TL;DR: I have a HD5870 and I've never been happier. ATI have the best bang for buck/power/heat cards out atm. Lol Nvidia. Get a cheap HD4890 or go for something in the upper HD5xxx series.
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illford baker
EVE RONIN
R-I-P
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Karnitha
Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What?
From the Nvidia driver page:
Quote:
196.75 Alert! NVIDIA is aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues after installing 196.75 drivers from NVIDIA's website. NVIDIA has removed these drivers and asked its partners to also remove the drivers. Any customers still using 196.75 drivers are asked to immediately discontinue use and either roll back to their previous driver or install the new 197.13 drivers.
I went from ATI (various up to X1900XT) to Nvidia (9600GT) and now I'm back with ATI (HD5870). And all I can say is that I have had more problems with Nvidia drivers in the 9 months of owning an Nvidia card than I have had with the ATI drivers in the more than 4 years of owning ATI. Its simple. Just download the plain ATI driver without CCC, install ATI Tray Tools and enjoy.
As far as Linux support goes, the open source drivers for ATI are pretty decent if you aren't playing heavy games and the binary driver is leaps and bounds better than it was 2-3 years ago (which is the mindset people have when they bring up ATI having bad Linux drivers). As someone mentioned, Nvidia dropped their open source driver and basically say that you must use VESA for just long enough to get to the Nvidia website to download their binary driver. Say what?
TL;DR: I have a HD5870 and I've never been happier. ATI have the best bang for buck/power/heat cards out atm. Lol Nvidia. Get a cheap HD4890 or go for something in the upper HD5xxx series.
wow, you found one problem. way to go, you have proven that it has been made by humans. all drivers have problems and ATI just happens to have more, but you like ATI so you look for problems in nvidia drivers.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:32:00 -
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8800 Ultra in SLI , don't need anything better, runs in 3 screens at 3840X1024 :)
also , about ú100 or less on eBay ;)
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Safe yourself time and money and get a new generation ati card. you cant do something wrong (5850 beeing the best choise here, 5770 if you don't want to spend much).
the newest nvidia cards are only for enthusiasts willing to pay the price (energy consumption, price, heat, noise). they need work (refresh will come in autumn/winter).
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
You need to learn how to install drivers then because thats the stupidest thing i've ever read.
No kidding the guy sounds like he should stick to PS3's they have no drivers...
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Grez
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:03:00 -
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Edited by: Grez on 01/04/2010 00:04:28
Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
Yeah, because NVIDIA don't release drivers that destroy their cards. Oh wait, that's right, they do...
Also, had a 4870 (recently upgraded to a 5870, running both in CrossfireX), loaded BC2 fine, the 5870 loads BC2 fine, and they both load it fine in CFX.
Can't forget to mention they can't call it SLI because 3DFX trademarked it, and NVIDIA purchased 3DFX way back in the day - hence, they can't use the name.
Do your research before you start mocking other cards ;). Think you'll find that ATI are quite ahead of the game in this current day in age.
Lets also not forget that EVE can work with AA perfectly fine on ATI cards if you disable bloom, without the need for any third party software.
There's really no question about which company to go for right now. They have better drivers and better cards. In the past that may not have been the case, but for the past few years they've excelled, and they've completely slaughtered NVIDIA recently.
To the OP: Go for a 4850, 4870 if you can find them cheap enough, mine on its own will still run any game at max without any issues. If you have the dough, 5850 or 5870 are the best you can get for a decent price at the moment. If you're loaded, go for the 5970.
To Zeba: I discovered Incarna using the apex technology will run on the CPU, not the GPU.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:20:00 -
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Originally by: Belysia
Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
I have a 4850 and I'm always one of the first to load.
Max out at that resolution? Doubtful..
To the op I would get an ATI 5000 series card because they are by far the best bang got your buck and have DirectX11 which NVIDIA cards do not have.
1. Loading speed has nothing to do with your graphics card, l2tech
2. The 8800GT/S 512MB cards can easily run EVE at 1920x1200 at max settings (at least a single client)
3. You two are so tech illiterate, it hurts
Anyway, to Op
If you're building a new PC from the bottom up, an AMD based platform will likely yield the best price/performance ratio for you right now. Basically, a build similar to this:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 620 (phenom based quad-core at 2.5/2.6/core stock speed)
These provide excellent gaming performance for their price, and while technically similar to the X3 435 on which you can unlock the fourth core, while paying less, I would personally just go for the 'already unlocked' one and know I won't run into problems there. Both CPUs have a reasonable bit of overclocking headrom, extending their overall lifetime a bit a few years down the line.
Motherboard: Any AM3 board with the 785G/790G/890GX northbridge and 2x PCI-E 16x slots if you're going ATI cards, or a nVidia 750 based board if going nVidia cards.
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
RAM: 2x 2gb DDR3 PC1600 sticks minimum
Overall, there's not a super-huge difference between the 'gaming' and value sticks. The heat spreaders on most sticks have been proven time and again to provide no true benefit, and in some cases, even hinder cooling. Those that have active heat-pads with sinks and/or use a heatpipe to conduct the heat away from the chips, fine, there's a tiny benefit there. Latency won't be a massive concern to you unless you're a particularly competitive gamer or run processing operations that require faster read/write turn-around for smaller operations as opposed to large operations.
Hard Drive(s): Completely different topic. You're fairly safe just going for a Samsung F3 based drive at any capacity. Read here for a tiny bit of RAID related info: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291383&page=2#51
PSU: If you're going to stick to a single-card PC, 450-550watt should be a safe bet. If dual-card, 650+ as your minimum. These are technically excessive for most systems, but allow headroom for powering expansion devices (hard drives, other drives, fans etc).
120mm Fan pulling air out the back/top. 120mm fan pulling air in at the front. That's about it.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:25:00 -
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ATI 5000 series is very good.
i would go with 5870 if you have money. like $500
5850 if you can afford that, $350 i think
but i would not go lower than 5770.. wich is like $280..
the new ATI cards suported Dx 11 while last i heard new nvidia cards only support DX 10.1
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Aggelos Theristes
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:41:00 -
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You really don't need a ú400 card to play Eve. If you're really into your gaming it would be worthwhile buying a good card.
Pick a card that will suit your needs, not one that will require you to buy a bigger power supply, and then will require you to buy a better CPU/RAM to take full advantage of.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:44:00 -
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Oh, and the most important bit, the graphics cards...
If shoestring and a single card, HD5750 or GTS250/9800GTX+.
If on a budget and need to go for a single card first, HD5770 or GTX260. (These will provide excellent crossfire/SLI performance if you get another in the near future, for the price)
If fatter wallet and single card, HD5850 or GTX275/GTX285. (same as above, but significantly greater first-card performance)
Note that in the ATI card's case you can run many more monitors per single card than on the nVidia card, so if multi-clienting is your thing and you want to get the most clients per card, then the ATI solution would work best here.
On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, the nVidia card has better value down the line should a card in the same range either become unavailable or senseless to buy, as you'll have PhysX processing available to you.
If a semi-fat wallet and going dual-cards off the bat, 2x HD5770 or GTX260.
If a fairly fat wallet, 2x HD5850 or 2x GTX275/285
You basically want to ensure that any card you get has 1gb or more of ram (in some of the GTX models' cases they're specifically 896mb due to the way the memory controllers work, this is still fine). The main reasoning behind this is that in Windows 7, the OS likes to unload window graphics elements to the graphics cards' ram exclusively as opposed to keeping copies of it in both the system memory and on the GPU. In general the memory utilization is fairly efficient, but it'll just give you better security in performance stability when you begin running many EVE/other MMO clients or games that need particularly large framebuffers (such as when running games at high resolutions with many post-processing effects and very large textures enabled).
On the whole there's no real reason to go for the 512mb variations of the cards, as the price difference is often a matter of $10-$20 and where there is better performance in the smaller card, it's specific to some titles while the card will fall back in performance in some other titles vs the 1gb version.
Hope this helps.
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Grez
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:47:00 -
[53]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
You may not know this, but you can't SLI two different card series with NVIDIA. With ATI you can (although you get no performance boost, just handy stuff). Hence you might be better off sticking in an ATI card if you want to SLI/Crossfire at a later date.
If you want to use performance improvements, you have to use two of the same family, but if you want to give them shared access to memory (has to be same type and size), or shared access to linked PCIe slots you can use CrossfireX. May not be as handy as using a PhysX processing card, but if you go with Windows 7 you can use two separate cards and drivers for that anyway now.
However SLI tends to scale better than CrossfireX at the moment, but ATI have just released a driver basically re-designing the entire Crossfire interface from the driver perspective, so that might change. Exciting time for nerds at the moment!
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 01:11:00 -
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Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 01/04/2010 01:11:56
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
You may not know this, but you can't SLI two different card series with NVIDIA. With ATI you can (although you get no performance boost, just handy stuff). Hence you might be better off sticking in an ATI card if you want to SLI/Crossfire at a later date.
If you want to use performance improvements, you have to use two of the same family, but if you want to give them shared access to memory (has to be same type and size), or shared access to linked PCIe slots you can use CrossfireX. May not be as handy as using a PhysX processing card, but if you go with Windows 7 you can use two separate cards and drivers for that anyway now.
However SLI tends to scale better than CrossfireX at the moment, but ATI have just released a driver basically re-designing the entire Crossfire interface from the driver perspective, so that might change. Exciting time for nerds at the moment!
Cards, similarly to how you say you can use a mix of ATI and nVidia in one system (a friend and I were actually wondering about this recently, as he wants to get a HD5850 as his primary card but has a 9600GT and 8800GTS already), don't need to be in an SLI or crossfire configuration to be used together.
The only situation where it matters that a board specifically has SLI or Crossfire functionality is where you're using two of the same cards for just that purpose. Any other situation, you could just as well dump 2x nvidia cards into a crossfire system and just not run SLI, but still benefit from multi-card rendering in situations where you're running multiple clients, using CUDA/physx/GPGPU tasks etc.
If it is true that one can, notably without issues, run an nvidia and ATI card in the same system at once, then I would easily agree that for gaming purposes going for a HD5850 would likely result the best bang for buck, even if you get something as simple as a 9400GT/9500GT/GT210/GT220 as a secondary card for PhysX processing at the same time.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 03:48:00 -
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Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 03:50:20
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Nice attempt but alas 99.999999999999999999999999999999996334534375% of the worlds pc gaming users would simply lulz at ur troll and buy an nvidia card if they are not broke and have to settle for ati..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.01 05:54:00 -
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If you only play EVE, 8800GT/9800GT or 4850 are your best bet - get the 1gb versions if the price delta is negligible. They can be found for $90-120, and will run the game perfectly as well as handle current games on medium. Anything more powerful for EVE is a waste of money, unless you're running some absurd resolution and trying to force AA.
If you are building a general gaming desktop, then just go with the best price-performance card in your budget. Generally, avoid anything over $300 as you won't get much value for your dollar and you'll be spending as much on the gpu as the rest of the system.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Space Meanies Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 06:00:00 -
[57]
Originally by: Bimjo
8800 Ultra in SLI , don't need anything better, runs in 3 screens at 3840X1024 :)
also , about ú100 or less on eBay ;)
5770 Eyefinity will do that, draw less power, at higher FPS and in DX11 mode.
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: Karnitha
Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What? ...
wow, you found one problem. way to go, you have proven that it has been made by humans. all drivers have problems and ATI just happens to have more, but you like ATI so you look for problems in nvidia drivers.
I'm not entirely sure why you are assuming that I only had one issue. I didn't even experience the 196.75 problem because I had already moved over to ATI by then. I only noticed the warning when I was looking for drivers for my laptop. Of the 7 or more WHQL Nv drivers I used, at least 3 of them had issues severe enough to cause me to rollback to a known working driver. I think this only happened to me once with ATI. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:05:00 -
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Originally by: Karnitha
drivers for my laptop.
Ah this must be where the confusion sets in. All card manufacturors drivers tend to suck for laptops. However when you drop laptops out of the equation you will find that nvidia has a stellar record of stability and super quick fixes for any issues and that ati's track record is lulz at best.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
Get off the forums and go kill someone!
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:05:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Karnitha
drivers for my laptop.
Ah this must be where the confusion sets in. All card manufacturors drivers tend to suck for laptops. However when you drop laptops out of the equation you will find that nvidia has a stellar record of stability and super quick fixes for any issues and that ati's track record is lulz at best.
My issues were with the desktop drivers. I only acquired the laptop this week and needed to update the drivers, hence me visiting the Nv driver site and spotting that wonderful rollback warning.
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