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Tangled
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:35:00 -
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I'm looking at getting a new desktop setup and wondered if anyone has any suggestions for good graphics cards to use for EVE?
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Flauschig Katzchen
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Posted - 2010.03.31 11:46:00 -
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Radeon HD 5870
Good for running multiple monitors, and well, just good at rendering images and stuffs on said monitors. Pricey, but you are worth it...baby.
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Droning Ceo
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:45:00 -
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The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
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Belysia
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Posted - 2010.03.31 12:55:00 -
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 Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
I have a 4850 and I'm always one of the first to load.
Max out at that resolution? Doubtful..
To the op I would get an ATI 5000 series card because they are by far the best bang got your buck and have DirectX11 which NVIDIA cards do not have.
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Kallieah
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:04:00 -
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Brand loyalty is stupid and EVE runs very well on any modern non-integrated graphics card. I'd consider setting a realistic price point for yourself and purchasing a graphics card that meets that price point. Even some integrated cards handle EVE well enough. I get reasonable performance out of EVE on a Radeon 3200 and it's not fun, but playable on an Intel GMA950 in my Dell Latitude D620 notebook.
Obviously fleet battles and other such things will demand more so you may want to buy some extra headroom to grow and possibly play other games.
A Radeon 3k class board or better will be okay in most situations. A GeForce 9k series, even one of the lower end cards will do fine as well. Both will allow most or even all of the eye-candy to be enabled while still offering acceptable performance.
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Hot Fudge
Minmatar
Brutor tribe
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:08:00 -
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I sense a fanboy battle erupting in this thread, which in turn will get it locked. In before the fanboy induced lock. :D
To the OP: Just use Google, do some research. Not a good idea to ask which is best on a forum, lol. There are quite a few sites out there that give you hard facts from testing, and not just opinions. Use Google. :)
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SemiCharmed
Clans of the Sanctums
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:17:00 -
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I would advise avoiding Radeon cards and go for Nvidea.
The BFG GTX260 OC MAXCORE 55nm 896MB (D) Dual DVI PhysX and Cuda ready PCI-E Graphics Card is quite a popular one for the casual gamer and will have no trouble at all playing EvE and the latest games out there.
XFX GTX285 1GB DDR3 Dual DVI PhysX and Cuda ready PCI-E Graphics Card is a very nice one and better than the one above, bit more expensive mind....
But i can give you names/links of gfx cards all day long but it depends how much you want to spend, and what motherboard etc you have, or are looking at getting. You can get the top of the line gfx card but said gfx card's performance can be stupidly dragged down by not having enough power and an inferior motherboard to name two things.
So be careful and look for compatibility!
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Belysia
To the op I would get an ATI 5000 series card because they are by far the best bang got your buck and have DirectX11 which NVIDIA cards do not have.
Also: quiet, cool, power-efficient and allows monitor spanning in windows 7. 5850 owner here, and no matter what I try I can't get it to heat up past 77C.
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:25:00 -
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dont get anything lower than an nvidia 8800 or radeon 3850, while they might work ok your FPS may drop below playable levels at larger resolutions.
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.03.31 13:42:00 -
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Radeon 5970, they work a treat.
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KaarBaak
Minmatar
Situation Grey
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:06:00 -
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EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX480
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Furb Killer
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:15:00 -
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Originally by: Kazuo Ishiguro
Originally by: Belysia
To the op I would get an ATI 5000 series card because they are by far the best bang got your buck and have DirectX11 which NVIDIA cards do not have.
Also: quiet, cool, power-efficient and allows monitor spanning in windows 7. 5850 owner here, and no matter what I try I can't get it to heat up past 77C.
Same here, also no issues with BC2.
The ati 5xxx cards are all great cards. In low-mid segment it in general doesnt matter that much which brand you take (those saying you should stay away from ati are talking out of their ass). In the high segment you want ati, unless you have your own nuclear power station.
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B0X
Republic Military School
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:26:00 -
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I've had cards from both makers, but had many more issues with ATi drivers.
On a gaming forum I'm apart of the main issue showing itself atm, is ATi driver issues with BFBC2.
The Radeon 5xxx series is a great graphics card, if ATi could get their act together with drivers, Nvidia would be screwed.
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Gerry Mack
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:27:00 -
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Originally by: KaarBaak
EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX480
Good performance yes but uses 250 watts and heats to around 95c according to tests. Oh and you mi8ght need to re mortgage as well.
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Kritinana
Minmatar
The New Mexican Connection
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Posted - 2010.03.31 15:47:00 -
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Not a big deal for eve. Some of the suggestions are rather uneccissary & won't do much more than cost you a lot of $$. Just set a budget and get whatever's the best that falls in line.
Currently gtx260's(216) or 280's now also, and 4890's are at a very nice price/performance ratio. Get 'em used and you can likely afford to put 2 or 3 of them in xfire/sli.
Very handy (at least w/ the ati ones) if you want to run more than two monitors off a single box.
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Zahira Wrath
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:12:00 -
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Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
I'll second that. I have a very old Nvidia 8800 GTS 640meg, and it runs eve at 1680x1050 with max everything perfectly fine. Eve does not use a lot of graphics horse power.
I'd say pick up a 8800 GT for a hundred dollars or so and be happy you saved alot of money.
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:20:00 -
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Personally I'd forgo a Graphics Card all together. This way you are never obsolete and you can just print a screen shot of what ever ship you want to fly at the time and tape it to your monitor...
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CCP Fallout
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:23:00 -
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Originally by: Belysia
I have a 4850 and I'm always one of the first to load.
I also have the 4850 and am very pleased with it. It's got just the right amount of power for my needs, although it's quite huge. My case has the CPU on the bottom, so I've some heat concerns, but it's held of fairly well and I've no complaints.
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hired goon
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Posted - 2010.03.31 16:31:00 -
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Best bang for your buck at the moment according to Tom's Hardware is the ATI Radeon HD 4670. I bought one on their recommendation for 60 quid I think, runs eve perfectly at 1680x1050 all gfx on. I haven't tried to dualbox however... I'm gonna grab myself a 5850 soon I reckon :D
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Genya Arikaido
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Posted - 2010.03.31 17:03:00 -
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I have 2x GeForce GTX 285s. Not terribly expensive, as it isn't bleeding edge, but close enough to make no difference, except in price savings.
Runs EVE at 5760x1080 with all settings on High at about 80FPS over 3 screens with a 4th screen overtop the center panel for my desktop.
Originally by: CCP Tuxford
my bad.
Rest assured I'm being ridiculed by my co-workers.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.31 17:04:00 -
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If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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Jim Luc
Caldari
Rule of Five
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Posted - 2010.03.31 17:21:00 -
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The nVidia 470 and 480 cards just came out (newegg still has them for pre-order).
Currently I have 2 GTS 250 cards that I'll probably keep for a while, but in 3 - 6 months I may break down and get 2 GTX 480 cards (currently buying both for SLI will run you about $750). But they have the new nVidia 3d surround, CUDA, PhysX, and DirectX 11.
It really depends on who you prefer though, ATI or nVidia. nVidia has always been better in the long run, in my opinion.
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brakespear
Minmatar
Snowman Inc
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:33:00 -
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Sapphire HD5670 here, nice, cheap, small, quiet card with no issues as yet - have used ATI cards for ages and only once had problems with drivers (although that might just be my choice of games  )
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:42:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
If you are interested in the future you take ati, since they got good DX11 cards for reasonably price, contrary to nvidia who's cards need a personal nuclear power station.
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Mashie Saldana
Red Federation
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:57:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
If you are interested in the future you take ati, since they got good DX11 cards for reasonably price, contrary to nvidia who's cards need a personal nuclear power station.
And a dedicated aircondition unit. 
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Caldari
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Posted - 2010.03.31 18:59:00 -
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Originally by: Gerry Mack
Originally by: KaarBaak
EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX480
Good performance yes but uses 250 watts and heats to around 95c according to tests. Oh and you mi8ght need to re mortgage as well.
My lower-tech system:
Video cards run around 60 degC with one EVE client, and 70 degC with three clients (max settings). CPU is nearly always around 45 degC, as it is mostly idle (70 degC when pegged with Prime95). Video card fans make the most noise (40% speed).
Interval immediate: 300 FPS with one client, 75 FPS with three clients (max settings)
* 2x EVGA GTX 285 Classified (1 GB) in SLI mode
* 2x Dell U2410 24-inch IPS monitors (using HDMI, but they have every imaginable interface)
* Corsair HX1000W powersupply (It is actually two complete 500 Watt power supplies on one board)
* Aero-Cool BX-500 case (lots of ventilation)
* 7x Silenx iXtrema Pro 120mm FDB fans 800RPM 38CFM 7DBA (silent)
* EVGA X58 Classified motherboard
* 12 GB DDR3 OCZ PC3-16000 Gold (running 1600 MHz 8-8-8-24 1T)
* Intel i7-975 EE 3.3 GHz (running at 133x31 = 4.13 GHz)
* Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 Rev C. (push-pull bottom-top orientation)
* 2x Thermalright Stealth Silent 120mm FDB 1600RPM 63.7CFM 28BA (for CPU)
* 2x Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB SATA2
* Samsung SH-S223L/BEBS 22X SATA Black DVD Writer Lightscribe
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Jarnis McPieksu
Insidious Existence
En Garde
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:03:00 -
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Forget GeForce 8800s. They are obsolete and not worth it unless you get one absolutely dirt cheap.
Today, your realistic options are;
a very cheap "last on the shelf" GeForce 9800GTX or Geforce GTS 250 (a more recent model of 8800 series - both are the same card, GTS250 just has a more recent sticker to fake that it's a newer model)
a very cheap "last on the shelf" ATI Radeon HD 4890
Only buy one of these if you can find one at around $100-$130. If not...
ATI Radeon HD 5770 - cheapest proper gaming card out there - anything cheaper than this or the two older models mentioned above = no good for gaming, avoid.
ATI Radeon HD 5850 - best bang for your buck. Period.
ATI Radeon HD 5870 - best sanely priced card.
And, in theory, in a few weeks, you can add GeForce GTX 480 as the absolute top-of-the-line, but the price is pretty harsh and availability may be tight.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Mashie Saldana
Originally by: Furb Killer
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
If you are interested in the future you take ati, since they got good DX11 cards for reasonably price, contrary to nvidia who's cards need a personal nuclear power station.
And a dedicated aircondition unit.
Luckily I have air conditioning in my home and an 800 watt psu so I'm set!(or will have as the last one burst into flames taking out my poor computer in the process.) Bonus is that in winter I can shut off the vent and still have a comfy warm room! \o/ Also yes ati have dx11 cards but where are the dx11 games? D-:
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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Irida Mershkov
Gallente
Capsuleers of Doom
Opticon Alliance
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:12:00 -
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Originally by: Jarnis McPieksu
ATI Radeon HD 5770 - cheapest proper gaming card out there - anything cheaper than this or the two older models mentioned above = no good for gaming, avoid.
I use one of these, very happy with this card.
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Xovak
Federal Navy Academy
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:19:00 -
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Edited by: Xovak on 31/03/2010 19:19:46
Edited by: Xovak on 31/03/2010 19:19:13
If you're looking for a decently priced, mid-range ATI card, the MSI R5770 is a great choice. Overclocks like a beast and has an awesome price/performance ratio.
Alternatively the MSI N250GTS has about the same quality if you prefer NVIDIA over ATI.
If you're looking to splurge and make your new desktop completely future-proof, I suggest the SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100281VX-2SR.
On a side note, if you want to make your new desktop future-proof for the next 10 years, the ASUS P6X58D Premium Motherboard is absolutely kick-ass if you plan on going with an i7.
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Dhaul
Minmatar
Agent-Orange
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:37:00 -
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Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
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Kuar Z'thain
Fraser's Finest
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Posted - 2010.03.31 19:52:00 -
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Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
Why are you using a gimp-y O/S when current games are still designed for Windows?
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Thenoran
Caldari
Tranquility Industries
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:15:00 -
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I had a XFX 8600 GTS 630M until recently which ran everything in EVE fine except large dustclouds combined with very bright lighting, that still caused a little lag.
It died of old age (near 2-3 years) a month or so back and I replaced it with a GTX 285, which runs EVE beautifully, although the card itself is huge (and a bit pricey) and you'll have to watch the temperatures/fan settings in the first few days.
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:22:00 -
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Originally by: Kuar Z'thain
Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
Why are you using a gimp-y O/S when current games are still designed for Windows?
Because it's cool to play games on Linux, presumably.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:38:00 -
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Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 20:43:00 -
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Originally by: Dhaul
Personally I'd stay away from any ATI card simply because they have half-ass their Linux drivers. NVIDIA has great drivers, hence I recommend them to everybody. Who cares if your chip is more powerful if the software gimps it?
You mean the ones who decided to stop development of open source drivers?
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Also yes ati have dx11 cards but where are the dx11 games? D-:
1. You were the one who started about future proof.
2. BF:BC2.
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ZenZorZar
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:00:00 -
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ATI vs NVIDIA fanboys ..allways a good topic XD
but seriously ...
ATI has new chips on the market for low - mid - highend needs.
NVIDIA only released a highend moster so far that doesnt even look too good compared to ATI's 5xxx series ( especialy if you look at how much fps / watt you get)
buying NVIDIA atm basicly means buying a year old architecture .. that in the best case got renamed to fake a new product line
ATI drivers are better then their reputation... or in other words NVIDIA's are just as bad ..just in a diffrent field of use.
the moment NIVDIA trys to place their new mid & low range gpu's in the market ( and is able to deliver them in numbers ) ATI's prices will drop even more for the 5xxx series.
my vote would be go buy an ATI 5xxx series ... if you can wait a bit longer till NVIDIA has placed some more of the new gpu's on the market and the pricefights will start.
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illford baker
EVE RONIN
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:06:00 -
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you could wait a few weeks till the 12th and get a GTX 470
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:43:00 -
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EVGA GTX 480 space heater/gpu 
Seriously though, Nvidia all the way. Let the ati fanbois complain about heat when gamers/overclockers put waterblocks on their gpu's anyway. I'll take performance over heat anyday. 
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Furb Killer
Gallente
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:53:00 -
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Then buy a 5890
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 21:55:00 -
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Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
watttttttt??????????
Thats the stupidest thing i've ever read.
Nvidia drivers are 10000x better then ati's. Crossfire has more common problems then nvidia sli and ati has a problem with aa in most games. Nvidia has released their share of bugged drivers but ati catalyst drivers are a joke. Also compatiblilty is everything so Nvidia wins that contest. Ati fanbois were jealous of physx so we gave it to them
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Trader20
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:03:00 -
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Originally by: Furb Killer
Then buy a 5890
their is no 5890 out yet 
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:25:00 -
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Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What?
From the Nvidia driver page:
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196.75 Alert! NVIDIA is aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues after installing 196.75 drivers from NVIDIA's website. NVIDIA has removed these drivers and asked its partners to also remove the drivers. Any customers still using 196.75 drivers are asked to immediately discontinue use and either roll back to their previous driver or install the new 197.13 drivers.
I went from ATI (various up to X1900XT) to Nvidia (9600GT) and now I'm back with ATI (HD5870). And all I can say is that I have had more problems with Nvidia drivers in the 9 months of owning an Nvidia card than I have had with the ATI drivers in the more than 4 years of owning ATI. Its simple. Just download the plain ATI driver without CCC, install ATI Tray Tools and enjoy.
As far as Linux support goes, the open source drivers for ATI are pretty decent if you aren't playing heavy games and the binary driver is leaps and bounds better than it was 2-3 years ago (which is the mindset people have when they bring up ATI having bad Linux drivers). As someone mentioned, Nvidia dropped their open source driver and basically say that you must use VESA for just long enough to get to the Nvidia website to download their binary driver. Say what?
TL;DR: I have a HD5870 and I've never been happier. ATI have the best bang for buck/power/heat cards out atm. Lol Nvidia. Get a cheap HD4890 or go for something in the upper HD5xxx series.
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illford baker
EVE RONIN
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:31:00 -
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Originally by: Karnitha
Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What?
From the Nvidia driver page:
Quote:
196.75 Alert! NVIDIA is aware that some customers have reported fan speed issues after installing 196.75 drivers from NVIDIA's website. NVIDIA has removed these drivers and asked its partners to also remove the drivers. Any customers still using 196.75 drivers are asked to immediately discontinue use and either roll back to their previous driver or install the new 197.13 drivers.
I went from ATI (various up to X1900XT) to Nvidia (9600GT) and now I'm back with ATI (HD5870). And all I can say is that I have had more problems with Nvidia drivers in the 9 months of owning an Nvidia card than I have had with the ATI drivers in the more than 4 years of owning ATI. Its simple. Just download the plain ATI driver without CCC, install ATI Tray Tools and enjoy.
As far as Linux support goes, the open source drivers for ATI are pretty decent if you aren't playing heavy games and the binary driver is leaps and bounds better than it was 2-3 years ago (which is the mindset people have when they bring up ATI having bad Linux drivers). As someone mentioned, Nvidia dropped their open source driver and basically say that you must use VESA for just long enough to get to the Nvidia website to download their binary driver. Say what?
TL;DR: I have a HD5870 and I've never been happier. ATI have the best bang for buck/power/heat cards out atm. Lol Nvidia. Get a cheap HD4890 or go for something in the upper HD5xxx series.
wow, you found one problem. way to go, you have proven that it has been made by humans. all drivers have problems and ATI just happens to have more, but you like ATI so you look for problems in nvidia drivers.
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Bimjo
Caldari
SKULLDOGS
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Posted - 2010.03.31 22:32:00 -
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8800 Ultra in SLI , don't need anything better, runs in 3 screens at 3840X1024 :)
also , about ú100 or less on eBay ;)
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Ordais
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:42:00 -
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Safe yourself time and money and get a new generation ati card. you cant do something wrong (5850 beeing the best choise here, 5770 if you don't want to spend much).
the newest nvidia cards are only for enthusiasts willing to pay the price (energy consumption, price, heat, noise). they need work (refresh will come in autumn/winter).
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MaxxOmega
Caldari
Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse
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Posted - 2010.03.31 23:52:00 -
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Originally by: Trader20
You need to learn how to install drivers then because thats the stupidest thing i've ever read.
No kidding the guy sounds like he should stick to PS3's they have no drivers...
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Grez
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:03:00 -
[48]
Edited by: Grez on 01/04/2010 00:04:28
Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
Yeah, because NVIDIA don't release drivers that destroy their cards. Oh wait, that's right, they do...
Also, had a 4870 (recently upgraded to a 5870, running both in CrossfireX), loaded BC2 fine, the 5870 loads BC2 fine, and they both load it fine in CFX.
Can't forget to mention they can't call it SLI because 3DFX trademarked it, and NVIDIA purchased 3DFX way back in the day - hence, they can't use the name.
Do your research before you start mocking other cards ;). Think you'll find that ATI are quite ahead of the game in this current day in age.
Lets also not forget that EVE can work with AA perfectly fine on ATI cards if you disable bloom, without the need for any third party software.
There's really no question about which company to go for right now. They have better drivers and better cards. In the past that may not have been the case, but for the past few years they've excelled, and they've completely slaughtered NVIDIA recently.
To the OP: Go for a 4850, 4870 if you can find them cheap enough, mine on its own will still run any game at max without any issues. If you have the dough, 5850 or 5870 are the best you can get for a decent price at the moment. If you're loaded, go for the 5970.
To Zeba: I discovered Incarna using the apex technology will run on the CPU, not the GPU.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:20:00 -
[49]
Originally by: Belysia
Originally by: Droning Ceo
The nvidia 8800 range will still run pretty much anything, and are probably cheap now. They've always been very good cards, for a very good price point.
like, mine still maxxes out brand new games no problem @ 1920x1200 (becoz HD sucks ass i went 1 step further ;)
If you consider playing a game that isn't eve i'd stay away from the ATI cards atm, simply because of the amount of problems they have with specific games taking ages to load (current issue: Bc2 ATI cards take 5-6 mins to load a map, nvidia 10 seconds)
Also "crossfire" what, i hate all this gamer talk in technology is pretty dire.
Whats wrong with Scalable Link Interface Ati? You presuming your customers wont understand what it means?
I have a 4850 and I'm always one of the first to load.
Max out at that resolution? Doubtful..
To the op I would get an ATI 5000 series card because they are by far the best bang got your buck and have DirectX11 which NVIDIA cards do not have.
1. Loading speed has nothing to do with your graphics card, l2tech
2. The 8800GT/S 512MB cards can easily run EVE at 1920x1200 at max settings (at least a single client)
3. You two are so tech illiterate, it hurts
Anyway, to Op
If you're building a new PC from the bottom up, an AMD based platform will likely yield the best price/performance ratio for you right now. Basically, a build similar to this:
CPU: AMD Athlon II X4 620 (phenom based quad-core at 2.5/2.6/core stock speed)
These provide excellent gaming performance for their price, and while technically similar to the X3 435 on which you can unlock the fourth core, while paying less, I would personally just go for the 'already unlocked' one and know I won't run into problems there. Both CPUs have a reasonable bit of overclocking headrom, extending their overall lifetime a bit a few years down the line.
Motherboard: Any AM3 board with the 785G/790G/890GX northbridge and 2x PCI-E 16x slots if you're going ATI cards, or a nVidia 750 based board if going nVidia cards.
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
RAM: 2x 2gb DDR3 PC1600 sticks minimum
Overall, there's not a super-huge difference between the 'gaming' and value sticks. The heat spreaders on most sticks have been proven time and again to provide no true benefit, and in some cases, even hinder cooling. Those that have active heat-pads with sinks and/or use a heatpipe to conduct the heat away from the chips, fine, there's a tiny benefit there. Latency won't be a massive concern to you unless you're a particularly competitive gamer or run processing operations that require faster read/write turn-around for smaller operations as opposed to large operations.
Hard Drive(s): Completely different topic. You're fairly safe just going for a Samsung F3 based drive at any capacity. Read here for a tiny bit of RAID related info: http://www.eveonline.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=1291383&page=2#51
PSU: If you're going to stick to a single-card PC, 450-550watt should be a safe bet. If dual-card, 650+ as your minimum. These are technically excessive for most systems, but allow headroom for powering expansion devices (hard drives, other drives, fans etc).
120mm Fan pulling air out the back/top. 120mm fan pulling air in at the front. That's about it.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:25:00 -
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ATI 5000 series is very good.
i would go with 5870 if you have money. like $500
5850 if you can afford that, $350 i think
but i would not go lower than 5770.. wich is like $280..
the new ATI cards suported Dx 11 while last i heard new nvidia cards only support DX 10.1
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Aggelos Theristes
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:41:00 -
[51]
You really don't need a ú400 card to play Eve. If you're really into your gaming it would be worthwhile buying a good card.
Pick a card that will suit your needs, not one that will require you to buy a bigger power supply, and then will require you to buy a better CPU/RAM to take full advantage of.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:44:00 -
[52]
Oh, and the most important bit, the graphics cards...
If shoestring and a single card, HD5750 or GTS250/9800GTX+.
If on a budget and need to go for a single card first, HD5770 or GTX260. (These will provide excellent crossfire/SLI performance if you get another in the near future, for the price)
If fatter wallet and single card, HD5850 or GTX275/GTX285. (same as above, but significantly greater first-card performance)
Note that in the ATI card's case you can run many more monitors per single card than on the nVidia card, so if multi-clienting is your thing and you want to get the most clients per card, then the ATI solution would work best here.
On the other hand, as I mentioned earlier, the nVidia card has better value down the line should a card in the same range either become unavailable or senseless to buy, as you'll have PhysX processing available to you.
If a semi-fat wallet and going dual-cards off the bat, 2x HD5770 or GTX260.
If a fairly fat wallet, 2x HD5850 or 2x GTX275/285
You basically want to ensure that any card you get has 1gb or more of ram (in some of the GTX models' cases they're specifically 896mb due to the way the memory controllers work, this is still fine). The main reasoning behind this is that in Windows 7, the OS likes to unload window graphics elements to the graphics cards' ram exclusively as opposed to keeping copies of it in both the system memory and on the GPU. In general the memory utilization is fairly efficient, but it'll just give you better security in performance stability when you begin running many EVE/other MMO clients or games that need particularly large framebuffers (such as when running games at high resolutions with many post-processing effects and very large textures enabled).
On the whole there's no real reason to go for the 512mb variations of the cards, as the price difference is often a matter of $10-$20 and where there is better performance in the smaller card, it's specific to some titles while the card will fall back in performance in some other titles vs the 1gb version.
Hope this helps.
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Grez
Fairlight Corp
Rooks and Kings
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Posted - 2010.04.01 00:47:00 -
[53]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
You may not know this, but you can't SLI two different card series with NVIDIA. With ATI you can (although you get no performance boost, just handy stuff). Hence you might be better off sticking in an ATI card if you want to SLI/Crossfire at a later date.
If you want to use performance improvements, you have to use two of the same family, but if you want to give them shared access to memory (has to be same type and size), or shared access to linked PCIe slots you can use CrossfireX. May not be as handy as using a PhysX processing card, but if you go with Windows 7 you can use two separate cards and drivers for that anyway now.
However SLI tends to scale better than CrossfireX at the moment, but ATI have just released a driver basically re-designing the entire Crossfire interface from the driver perspective, so that might change. Exciting time for nerds at the moment!
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.01 01:11:00 -
[54]
Edited by: AnonyTerrorNinja on 01/04/2010 01:11:56
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
My personal recommendation would be an nVidia based solution if you're going to start off with one card. This isn't a matter of brand loyalty so much as it is one that you will have better use out of your 'old' card should you ever decide to drop in a second card that doesn't match your first card at all, out of the fact that you can use the second card for PhysX processing in games at a later stage. In the ATI situation your second card can still be used to run, say, extra MMO clients at the same time, such as multi-clienting EVE, but you won't have much other use out of it unless it has DirectCompute (HD5-series) and games and/or applications begin making specific use of the tech in your everyday usage of the PC.
You may not know this, but you can't SLI two different card series with NVIDIA. With ATI you can (although you get no performance boost, just handy stuff). Hence you might be better off sticking in an ATI card if you want to SLI/Crossfire at a later date.
If you want to use performance improvements, you have to use two of the same family, but if you want to give them shared access to memory (has to be same type and size), or shared access to linked PCIe slots you can use CrossfireX. May not be as handy as using a PhysX processing card, but if you go with Windows 7 you can use two separate cards and drivers for that anyway now.
However SLI tends to scale better than CrossfireX at the moment, but ATI have just released a driver basically re-designing the entire Crossfire interface from the driver perspective, so that might change. Exciting time for nerds at the moment!
Cards, similarly to how you say you can use a mix of ATI and nVidia in one system (a friend and I were actually wondering about this recently, as he wants to get a HD5850 as his primary card but has a 9600GT and 8800GTS already), don't need to be in an SLI or crossfire configuration to be used together.
The only situation where it matters that a board specifically has SLI or Crossfire functionality is where you're using two of the same cards for just that purpose. Any other situation, you could just as well dump 2x nvidia cards into a crossfire system and just not run SLI, but still benefit from multi-card rendering in situations where you're running multiple clients, using CUDA/physx/GPGPU tasks etc.
If it is true that one can, notably without issues, run an nvidia and ATI card in the same system at once, then I would easily agree that for gaming purposes going for a HD5850 would likely result the best bang for buck, even if you get something as simple as a 9400GT/9500GT/GT210/GT220 as a secondary card for PhysX processing at the same time.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 03:48:00 -
[55]
Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 03:50:20
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Nice attempt but alas 99.999999999999999999999999999999996334534375% of the worlds pc gaming users would simply lulz at ur troll and buy an nvidia card if they are not broke and have to settle for ati..
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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DigitalCommunist
November Corporation
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Posted - 2010.04.01 05:54:00 -
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If you only play EVE, 8800GT/9800GT or 4850 are your best bet - get the 1gb versions if the price delta is negligible. They can be found for $90-120, and will run the game perfectly as well as handle current games on medium. Anything more powerful for EVE is a waste of money, unless you're running some absurd resolution and trying to force AA.
If you are building a general gaming desktop, then just go with the best price-performance card in your budget. Generally, avoid anything over $300 as you won't get much value for your dollar and you'll be spending as much on the gpu as the rest of the system.
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Imperius Blackheart
Caldari
Space Meanies Inc.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 06:00:00 -
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Originally by: Bimjo
8800 Ultra in SLI , don't need anything better, runs in 3 screens at 3840X1024 :)
also , about ú100 or less on eBay ;)
5770 Eyefinity will do that, draw less power, at higher FPS and in DX11 mode.
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.04.01 09:55:00 -
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Originally by: illford baker
Originally by: Karnitha
Nvidia drivers better than ATI? What? ...
wow, you found one problem. way to go, you have proven that it has been made by humans. all drivers have problems and ATI just happens to have more, but you like ATI so you look for problems in nvidia drivers.
I'm not entirely sure why you are assuming that I only had one issue. I didn't even experience the 196.75 problem because I had already moved over to ATI by then. I only noticed the warning when I was looking for drivers for my laptop. Of the 7 or more WHQL Nv drivers I used, at least 3 of them had issues severe enough to cause me to rollback to a known working driver. I think this only happened to me once with ATI. |
Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 17:05:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Karnitha
drivers for my laptop.
Ah this must be where the confusion sets in. All card manufacturors drivers tend to suck for laptops. However when you drop laptops out of the equation you will find that nvidia has a stellar record of stability and super quick fixes for any issues and that ati's track record is lulz at best.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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Karnitha
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:05:00 -
[60]
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Karnitha
drivers for my laptop.
Ah this must be where the confusion sets in. All card manufacturors drivers tend to suck for laptops. However when you drop laptops out of the equation you will find that nvidia has a stellar record of stability and super quick fixes for any issues and that ati's track record is lulz at best.
My issues were with the desktop drivers. I only acquired the laptop this week and needed to update the drivers, hence me visiting the Nv driver site and spotting that wonderful rollback warning.
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Mingus Sin
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:49:00 -
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Check out Toms Hardware and see reviews of the video cards. I'm seeing lots of opinions in this thread and thats NOT what you want to base your purchasing decision on. Tom's puts the cards in the same computer and tests them apples to apples and they test them using all the latest games so you can see how they compare. Keep in mind though that for the average human, telling the difference between one card that runs at 250 FPS and one that runs at 220 FPS is not possible.
We ran a test at one of our lan parties, we set up 4 machines with drivers from an ATI and Nvidia. We put in Nvidia 280 cards and ran them in MW2 and BC2 with others looking over our shoulders and then we switched out the cards and put in ATI 5870s. None of the guys could tell the difference and we had 20 different people looking at the monitors. We ran two very similar system with the cards side by side and still couldnt see much of a difference.
There are issues with each card that you may need to be aware of. One example is that motherboards that are running an Nvidia chipset are locking out some functions if you use an ATI video card. In Arkam Asylum, if you use an ATI card with a Nvidia MoBo, some of the particle effects are reduced so when you shoot a stack of papers you dont see them flying all over. There is a patch to fix this but it is something to be aware of if you have a MoBo with an Nvidia chipset.
Dont forget about your monitor too! Having a great card in a crappy monitor will make you feel bad about buying the card. I am running with one ATI 5870 and I dont have any issues in Eve or BC2.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 18:51:00 -
[62]
Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 18:52:57
Originally by: Karnitha
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Karnitha
drivers for my laptop.
Ah this must be where the confusion sets in. All card manufacturors drivers tend to suck for laptops. However when you drop laptops out of the equation you will find that nvidia has a stellar record of stability and super quick fixes for any issues and that ati's track record is lulz at best.
My issues were with the desktop drivers. I only acquired the laptop this week and needed to update the drivers, hence me visiting the Nv driver site and spotting that wonderful rollback warning.
Noone ever said nividia never has released a buggy driver. But the rate is rather small when compaired to ati when you look at the long view. Also note that nvidia has put up a big statment to roll back until they fix the issue which judging by past issues will be rather quick. Again unlike ati that might let bugs launguish for months without any official recognition until it finally gets fixed. You get what you pay for I guess is the best way to explain choosing nvidia over ati. Think of nvidia as the exspensive exotic hand built to incredible tolerances sports car vs ati's mass produced cheap street racer. Both go really fast and handle well but the odds are good than when pushed to the limit the exotic will continue to perform perfectly and the mass produced one will blow an engine due to some defect from the less exspensive constuction methods.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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Copine Callmeknau
Targaryen Industries
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:29:00 -
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If you've got megabucks, go the GTX480, absolute state of the art atm.
Failing that, a GT260 is a nice card, and the 8800 will do in a pinch (I'm running EVE on an integrated 7000 series, anything will run EVE)
I recommend nvidia cards not for fanboy reasons, but because EVE is designed for nVidia products, and makes a lot of use of CUDA engine. Go have a look at some of the fanfest footage if you don't believe me.
IMO 260 is the ideal card for EVE, fairly cheap and quite powerful.
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Xrak
Pat Sharp's Potato Rodeo
Wildly Inappropriate.
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:39:00 -
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Originally by: Copine Callmeknau
I recommend nvidia cards not for fanboy reasons, but because EVE is designed for nVidia products, and makes a lot of use of CUDA engine. Go have a look at some of the fanfest footage if you don't believe me.
Erm, no it doesn't. Eve doesn't use any part of CUDA atm, and the only parts that have been suggested that might use it are for cloth simulation in Incarna, hardly a major part of the game.
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.01 19:51:00 -
[65]
Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 03:50:20
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Nice attempt but alas 99.999999999999999999999999999999996334534375% of the worlds pc gaming users would simply lulz at ur troll and buy an nvidia card if they are not broke and have to settle for ati..
The *only* time I've ever had problems with ati cards is if they're some one producing a card with ati chipset. With actual ATI cards, I have *never* had a problem with drivers or the cards, I have always had problems with nVidia cards, as well as most of the people I know. Even with nVidia chipset motherboards, nVidia cards and their respective drivers are quite lacking when you want something to just plug in and go. I shouldn't have to "mess" with things to get the card to work right. I spent a week uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers, wiping and redoing the OS just to get that 8800 GTX to actually render all the textures in EQ2, even tried an 8600 and that had the exact same thing happen. I said **** it and sent the whole thing back, got something with an actual ATI card and worked flawlessly on the first try. Couple friends had the exact same issue with the 8800 and 8600. nVidia has and always will be crap.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Zeba
Minmatar
Honourable East India Trading Company
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Posted - 2010.04.01 20:01:00 -
[66]
Originally by: Barakkus
The *only* time I've ever had problems with ati cards is if they're some one producing a card with ati chipset. With actual ATI cards, I have *never* had a problem with drivers or the cards,
Then its a funny coincidence that the overwhelming majority of ati cards sold are third party. Thanks for proving my point for me.
Originally by: Barakkus
I have always had problems with nVidia cards, as well as most of the people I know. Even with nVidia chipset motherboards, nVidia cards and their respective drivers are quite lacking when you want something to just plug in and go. I shouldn't have to "mess" with things to get the card to work right. I spent a week uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers, wiping and redoing the OS just to get that 8800 GTX to actually render all the textures in EQ2, even tried an 8600 and that had the exact same thing happen. I said **** it and sent the whole thing back, got something with an actual ATI card and worked flawlessly on the first try. Couple friends had the exact same issue with the 8800 and 8600. nVidia has and always will be crap.
Hrmm, I have never had any install issues with any card be it ati or nvidia. Driver buggysness sure but never any problems with just 'plugging it in and working'. Maybe you and your friends need to take some time and google up some guides if you have had so many install issues. Could have been a mobo incompatibility or some such.
Originally by: CCP Zymurgist
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Taua Roqa
Minmatar
Woe Hole
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Posted - 2010.04.01 20:06:00 -
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first things first!
most importantly; how big is your monitor and how many do you have :P
myself, for example, have an HD 4770 and a single 19" monitor. With max settings an HD 4770 is still massive overkill for playing nothing but eve, however it handles any other games i've played at max settings with ease - it cost ú70 like 4 months back, great card for the price. infact, it was the best.
but...if you have a larger monitor and more of them, and only intend on playing eve, an HD 4770, or equivalent, is still more than good.
beware anyone telling you to spend loads of cash, they likely are just trying to show off how bad they are at spending money :(
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Barakkus
Caelestis Iudicium
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Posted - 2010.04.01 20:32:00 -
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Edited by: Barakkus on 01/04/2010 20:32:30
Originally by: Zeba
Originally by: Barakkus
The *only* time I've ever had problems with ati cards is if they're some one producing a card with ati chipset. With actual ATI cards, I have *never* had a problem with drivers or the cards,
Then its a funny coincidence that the overwhelming majority of ati cards sold are third party. Thanks for proving my point for me.
Originally by: Barakkus
I have always had problems with nVidia cards, as well as most of the people I know. Even with nVidia chipset motherboards, nVidia cards and their respective drivers are quite lacking when you want something to just plug in and go. I shouldn't have to "mess" with things to get the card to work right. I spent a week uninstalling and reinstalling various drivers, wiping and redoing the OS just to get that 8800 GTX to actually render all the textures in EQ2, even tried an 8600 and that had the exact same thing happen. I said **** it and sent the whole thing back, got something with an actual ATI card and worked flawlessly on the first try. Couple friends had the exact same issue with the 8800 and 8600. nVidia has and always will be crap.
Hrmm, I have never had any install issues with any card be it ati or nvidia. Driver buggysness sure but never any problems with just 'plugging it in and working'. Maybe you and your friends need to take some time and google up some guides if you have had so many install issues. Could have been a mobo incompatibility or some such.
No, the motherboard was an nVidia chipset that was supposed to work with the card.
I don't think google is going to help :P There's nothing to installing hardware...Granted the 8800 had just come out when we were trying out the card, but still, you would thing replacing it with an 8600 would work out since that card had been out at least a year before the 8800 was released to the market...not a single driver version worked, AND EQ2 was designed specifically to work with nVidia hardware...nVidia was/is helping them with the development.
I'm not sure where you get your "facts" from, but your sweeping generalizations might want to be researched a bit before you make them. Recently the majority of ATI cards being sold are 3rd part because ATI has all but stopped producing their own cards (thanks AMD, really, no wonder you're losing market share on your processors too)...which has me in a pickle at the moment, I'm going to have to replace my machine next year, and if I can't get an ATI made card, I'm probably going to have to try nVidia once again (shudder).
Another example of nVidia crapiness...I have an nVidia Quadro NVS 295 in my computer at work, one day it decided to stop seeing the second monitor, just out of the blue...redid the drivers a few times, swapped it out with another card, same thing, swapped the old card back in and did the drivers a 4th time and it finally started seeing the second monitor again. From time to time it mixes up which is the primary monitor as well, which is just irritating as ****.
Originally by: CCP Dropbear
rofl
edit: ah crap, dev account. Oh well, official rofl at you sir.
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Oxinean
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Posted - 2010.04.03 07:18:00 -
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Edited by: Oxinean on 03/04/2010 07:20:47
Originally by: Tau Cabalander
Originally by: Gerry Mack
Originally by: KaarBaak
EVGA Nvidia GeForce GTX480
Good performance yes but uses 250 watts and heats to around 95c according to tests. Oh and you mi8ght need to re mortgage as well.
My lower-tech system:
Video cards run around 60 degC with one EVE client, and 70 degC with three clients (max settings). CPU is nearly always around 45 degC, as it is mostly idle (70 degC when pegged with Prime95). Video card fans make the most noise (40% speed).
Interval immediate: 300 FPS with one client, 75 FPS with three clients (max settings)
* 2x EVGA GTX 285 Classified (1 GB) in SLI mode
* 2x Dell U2410 24-inch IPS monitors (using HDMI, but they have every imaginable interface)
* Corsair HX1000W powersupply (It is actually two complete 500 Watt power supplies on one board)
* Aero-Cool BX-500 case (lots of ventilation)
* 7x Silenx iXtrema Pro 120mm FDB fans 800RPM 38CFM 7DBA (silent)
* EVGA X58 Classified motherboard
* 12 GB DDR3 OCZ PC3-16000 Gold (running 1600 MHz 8-8-8-24 1T)
* Intel i7-975 EE 3.3 GHz (running at 133x31 = 4.13 GHz)
* Thermalright Ultra Extreme 120 Rev C. (push-pull bottom-top orientation)
* 2x Thermalright Stealth Silent 120mm FDB 1600RPM 63.7CFM 28BA (for CPU)
* 2x Western Digital WD1001FALS Caviar Black 1TB SATA2
* Samsung SH-S223L/BEBS 22X SATA Black DVD Writer Lightscribe
Wow you wasted all that money and didnt even put an SSD in there for your os? I mean if your gunna spend that much you might as well go all out.
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Baneken
Gallente
Aseveljet
Sev3rance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 07:29:00 -
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Edited by: Baneken on 03/04/2010 07:30:09
Originally by: Taua Roqa
and beware FPS ratings, more fps than your monitor can refresh...uhm, yeah i don't need to explain that :P
That used to be the case with old CRT monitors with flat screens you have no such issues.
I can get GF8800 for 30Ç (like 50$ ? So if you buy a one for a 100$ you're getting ripped off, badly).
As for performance I have no issues at all with my 8800 but I wouldn't buy it unless the rest of your computer is about the same age.
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Sardon Darkstar
Caldari
Best Path Inc.
Atlas Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.03 07:55:00 -
[71]
My advice is simple:
1) establish your budget;
2) check out the leading hardware sites (like tomshardware or tweakers) for reviews and comparisons of the video cards that match your budget;
3) choose and buy.
Don't ask on forums, because 9 out of 10 times the topic will spiral into a fanboy war. The amount of contradictory advice in this thread already made my head hurt and I'm not the one depending on this advice.
Good luck and let us know your new system specs!
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.04.03 08:48:00 -
[72]
Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 03/04/2010 08:51:13
The brand loyalty in this thread just shows people have more money than sense.
The 400 series of nvidias cards are utter crap and theres various articles out there detailing how nvidia screwed up so badly. I have an nvidia 9800 before, upgraded to a 5770 and it definitely does what i want it to do currently.
Nvidia will learn from their mistakes next year and hopefully put out something that will be worth buying. The 400 series is far too expensive, hot and power intensive, and at best only works 10% better than a 5870 unless your in unigine with massive tesselation. Nvidia lose this year, ATI have won. ATI's single gpu card is pretty mcuh equal power(a few fps difference in a game which will max out both cards) , runs with 100W less power, and the won't be toasting weenies on the heatsink, although both their fans are quite noisy at max temp, the 480 is like a vacuum cleaner. (EVGA themselves put out a watercooled version because it runs so damned hot)
Physx is a bit of a gimmick, as with a single nvidia gpu, physx is crap, as nvidia cards are very bad at switching back and forth between computation and rendering(i have a 260 in an alternate pc).You need a dedicated gpu of at least a 250 to run arkham asylum at playable levels with physx(although i run a 9800 as my physx card, drivers need a recode to make it work though). Also physx is becoming obsolete with the advent of directx 11.
Hopefully next year nvidia come out with something truelly magical and stop with the "Let's make the biggest chip we possibly can and watch our yields go into single digits" idealogy, then i might buy some stuff from them(i usually alternate between both makers depending on how their current cards are)
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Dan Grobag
Caldari
Grobag's Family
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Posted - 2010.04.03 11:29:00 -
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I bought an ati radeon 4850 recently, best bang for your buck in that price range.
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Sobach
Fourth Circle
Total Comfort
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Posted - 2010.04.03 16:53:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Zeba
Edited by: Zeba on 01/04/2010 03:50:20
Originally by: Barakkus
Originally by: Zeba
If you are interested in incarna and don't mind paying a little extra for proven driver stability then go with nvidia as all the shiney that will be used in incarna is based off the apex tech which ati does not and probably will never support. If you are budget minded and don't mind each driver release fixing one issue to only bring on two more then go with ati. Performance wise they are all on the same page as most people play with vsync anyways so its always capped at 60fps which any modern card ati or nvidia can do with all the settings on ultramegazomg high.
nVidia has never had good driver stability unfortunately. I've had nothing but problems with nVidia cards and their drivers. I tried to give them a shot after years of avoiding them after my first go around, and they proved themselves lacking once again after I bought a system with 8800 GTX card in it, needless to say, I pretty much wrote off nVidia at this point.
Nice attempt but alas 99.999999999999999999999999999999996334534375% of the worlds pc gaming users would simply lulz at ur troll and buy an nvidia card if they are not broke and have to settle for ati..
way to start trolling yourself there :P
No one with a sane grasp on reality can really argue that nvidia has lost this latest round to ati. They are over 6 months late to the market, with a product that on average only manages to be 10-15% faster at stock speed, while consuming substantially more power and produces even more heat, not to mention the GPU itself isn't even fully functional, though that's TSMC's fault, not nvidia's. Regardless, the Fermi isn't in the best of position right now, no matter how you slice it.
Bottom line is, for those seeking the most raw power from their rig at the expense of all else can't go wrong with a pair of 480 in SLI, it IS the most powerful single GPU card, once this paper launch is over and actual product get to retailers. But for everyone else where cost-effectiveness / heat / noise is any concern at all, chances are they'll be far better off going with ati's 5-series card.
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Taxesarebad
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Posted - 2010.04.03 17:12:00 -
[75]
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 03/04/2010 08:59:40
Edited by: TheLordofAllandNothing on 03/04/2010 08:51:13
The brand loyalty in this thread just shows people have more money than sense.
The 400 series of nvidias cards are utter crap and theres various articles out there detailing how nvidia screwed up so badly. I have an nvidia 9800 before, upgraded to a 5770 and it definitely does what i want it to do currently.
Nvidia will learn from their mistakes next year and hopefully put out something that will be worth buying. The 400 series is far too expensive, hot and power intensive, and at best only works 10% better than a 5870 unless your in unigine with massive tesselation. Nvidia lose this year, ATI have won. ATI's single gpu card is pretty mcuh equal power(a few fps difference in a game which will max out both cards) , runs with 100W less power, and the won't be toasting weenies on the heatsink, although both their fans are quite noisy at max temp, the 480 is like a vacuum cleaner. (EVGA themselves put out a watercooled version because it runs so damned hot)
Physx is a bit of a gimmick, as with a single nvidia gpu, physx is crap, as nvidia cards are very bad at switching back and forth between computation and rendering(i have a 260 in an alternate pc).You need a dedicated gpu of at least a 250 to run arkham asylum at playable levels with physx(although i run a 9800 as my physx card, drivers need a recode to make it work though). Also physx is becoming obsolete with the advent of directx 11.
Hopefully next year nvidia come out with something truelly magical and stop with the "Let's make the biggest chip we possibly can and watch our yields go into single digits" idealogy(which is the reason the cards are so overpriced compared to ATI's as most of the chips are binned), then i might buy some stuff from them(i usually alternate between both makers depending on how their current cards are)
this guy is kinda right, t
from a company standpoint, Nvidia overprices EVERYTHING. i personally don't like them for this reason. but the important things are performance VS price. idk about invidia but i have a low power 3200 series ATI card and run medium settings no lag, i dont push it further since its a laptop anyways eve doesnt need a uber highend card. i would get somthing about 1.5 times better than needed though
ATI's 5750, wich is a lower end of their newest line of cards.
for Nvidia? well i would avoid this year. unless you get one of the 200 series. i would get the 275, or 285
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Kallieah
The Unknown Bar and Pub
Elysium Alliance
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Posted - 2010.04.04 14:16:00 -
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You people do realise that the OP has yet to respond to this thread. I believe this was a clever troll to get the slobbering fanbois to have a jolly little argument and it's worked.
4/10 - Low score due to the fact that computer parts brand loyalists are so easily rabble-roused.
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King Rothgar
Amarrian Retribution
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Posted - 2010.04.04 14:30:00 -
[77]
The nvidia 8800 I have in my PC runs all games currently out at max detail without any trouble. Most recently this includes modern warfare 2. I'm sure ATI's cards are fine, I've never had any problems with them in the past. Just have an nvidia atm, never understood the fanboyism tbh.
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Grez
Monolithic.
Advocated Destruction
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Posted - 2010.04.06 04:16:00 -
[78]
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
If it is true that one can, notably without issues, run an nvidia and ATI card in the same system at once, then I would easily agree that for gaming purposes going for a HD5850 would likely result the best bang for buck, even if you get something as simple as a 9400GT/9500GT/GT210/GT220 as a secondary card for PhysX processing at the same time.
It is true, although NVIDIA got a bit of a bashing for disabling this at first. You might need to look-up how to do it properly, and you need Windows 7 to do it (Vista and XP don't support it).
New ATI cards also support DirectCompute so they can do PhysX processing quite easily.
FYI, a quad core CPU will out-pace either card on physics processing. They're designed for multiple FP calculations as well as single, whereas GPU's are designed to do insanely fast processing of matrices.
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Semaj Notlimah
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Posted - 2010.04.06 07:18:00 -
[79]
Top video cards for price
^^what I use for information^^
Currently waiting for my new Radeon 5770 HD to come in to replace my old 7600gt. I pretty much got it because it is DX 11 capable ( BF:BC2), and I picked it up for $150. The benchmarks are very good in the single card category and if you are not as unlucky as me (only 1 pci-e x16), you can CF it (top 10 in benchmarks). As a poor college student, the upgrade was cheap =D
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TheLordofAllandNothing
Caldari
United Systems Navy
Zenith Affinity
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Posted - 2010.04.06 08:17:00 -
[80]
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
If it is true that one can, notably without issues, run an nvidia and ATI card in the same system at once, then I would easily agree that for gaming purposes going for a HD5850 would likely result the best bang for buck, even if you get something as simple as a 9400GT/9500GT/GT210/GT220 as a secondary card for PhysX processing at the same time.
It is true, although NVIDIA got a bit of a bashing for disabling this at first. You might need to look-up how to do it properly, and you need Windows 7 to do it (Vista and XP don't support it).
New ATI cards also support DirectCompute so they can do PhysX processing quite easily.
FYI, a quad core CPU will out-pace either card on physics processing. They're designed for multiple FP calculations as well as single, whereas GPU's are designed to do insanely fast processing of matrices.
Actually software physx is horribly slow(executed on the cpu) , gpu's are designed specifically to compute massive amounts of floating point calculations, so a GPU will give you tons more power for physx.
Also if directcompute will let me run physx is there any idea how i can trick a game into letting me use the ATI card?(without bios flashing said ati card)
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Derelicht
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Posted - 2010.04.06 10:55:00 -
[81]
Originally by: Trader20
Originally by: Furb Killer
Then buy a 5890
their is no 5890 out yet
Then buy a 7650.
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AnonyTerrorNinja
Minmatar
Buggers' Advanced Interstellar Transport
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Posted - 2010.04.06 11:31:00 -
[82]
Originally by: TheLordofAllandNothing
Originally by: Grez
Originally by: AnonyTerrorNinja
If it is true that one can, notably without issues, run an nvidia and ATI card in the same system at once, then I would easily agree that for gaming purposes going for a HD5850 would likely result the best bang for buck, even if you get something as simple as a 9400GT/9500GT/GT210/GT220 as a secondary card for PhysX processing at the same time.
It is true, although NVIDIA got a bit of a bashing for disabling this at first. You might need to look-up how to do it properly, and you need Windows 7 to do it (Vista and XP don't support it).
New ATI cards also support DirectCompute so they can do PhysX processing quite easily.
FYI, a quad core CPU will out-pace either card on physics processing. They're designed for multiple FP calculations as well as single, whereas GPU's are designed to do insanely fast processing of matrices.
Actually software physx is horribly slow(executed on the cpu) , gpu's are designed specifically to compute massive amounts of floating point calculations, so a GPU will give you tons more power for physx.
Also if directcompute will let me run physx is there any idea how i can trick a game into letting me use the ATI card?(without bios flashing said ati card)
You can't. DirectCompute and PhysX are both APIs, the former being a Microsoft initiative with the latter originally being created by Aegia and later bought out by nVidia.
In any event, you can't use DirectCompute to gain any benefit in games that don't specifically use it (read: enabling DX11 in new games that have support for it). As far as PhysX usage goes, with reference to the guy that earlier called it a 'gimmick', HavoK and PhysX are very closely related, and HavoK has seen extensive use in modern games for all sorts of 'simple' effects. The physics related puzzles in Half-Life 2 or Portal, as examples, use HavoK. The traps in Oblivion and Fallout 3, use HavoK. These are only examples I can recall off the top of my head, but what I can say is that HavoK can be accelerated via the PhysX API, and thus can provide a tangible performance boost in games making more extensive use of it.
Why we don't see epic amounts of physics in games right now? Because developers are held back by licensing and too broad a spectrum of systems to accommodate. Go play Borderlands on a 7800GTX at high settings, in a system with a single-core CPU such as a P4 Prescott or a 3200+ or greater single-core Athlon with 2gb of ram. Now play the game on the same system using a 8600GT, with PhysX processing set to use the GPU.
Be amazed at the massive jump in performance. Why is that? Because PhysX is responsible for the handling of the rigs/bones in the character models, particularly those of the humanoids, in order to accommodate the fact that the creatures are using 'generated' guns, not static mesh items. On the same system using a like-performance card from the ATI camp, from the HD2000/HD3000 and HD4000 series, you'll not get as great a boost in framerate, because the cards can't provide any proper processing for those physics.
To the guy that pointed out the op hasn't responded on the thread - so what? This thread can provide insight into an issue that may be relevant to may people browsing these forums that would have posted exactly the same thread.
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Neesa Corrinne
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
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Posted - 2010.04.06 12:24:00 -
[83]
If you want an extremely powerful, yet sometimes glitchy "mayyyybe the game you just bought will be supported by it, mayyyybe it won't" card, then by all means go with ATI.
If you want a slightly less powerful, yet extremely stable "The way it's meant to be played" card, then I would suggest sticking with NVIDIA.
And if you plan on running a dual card setup, then ffs, please listen to reason and never ever go with Crossfire. SLI is so much more stable and much more highly scalable across the board than Crossfire and if you don't believe it, just go to any ATI help forums and read through all the issues.
Just sayin...
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Prolonged ALT
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Posted - 2010.04.06 14:03:00 -
[84]
The ATI HD 5850 is well worth the 300 or so it costs to buy it i can run every FPS game out there at 100+ FPS without crossfire. (thats maxed settings). Also if your redo'ing your entire computer get an I7 and 6 GB (min) of DDR3 memory trust me its well worth it.
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Meiyang Lee
Gallente
Azteca Transportation Unlimited
Gunboat Diplomacy
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Posted - 2010.04.06 14:53:00 -
[85]
Originally by: Neesa Corrinne
If you want an extremely powerful, yet sometimes glitchy "mayyyybe the game you just bought will be supported by it, mayyyybe it won't" card, then by all means go with ATI.
If you want a slightly less powerful, yet extremely stable "The way it's meant to be played" card, then I would suggest sticking with NVIDIA.
And if you plan on running a dual card setup, then ffs, please listen to reason and never ever go with Crossfire. SLI is so much more stable and much more highly scalable across the board than Crossfire and if you don't believe it, just go to any ATI help forums and read through all the issues.
Just sayin...
Current games will ALL work on ATI hardware without issue, just like they would on nVidia hardware. There are some unfortunates who's game won't work, but it's rarely the GPU that's to blame (for both sides).
The only difference is support for PhysX (since that's owned by nVidia) and the loss of AA in some titles because nVidia somehow managed to patent an implementation of FSAA that's built into directX itself.
There's a good chance that upcoming titles won't even need PhysX anymore for physics, since directX 11 has compute shaders that basically do the same thing as nVidia's proprietary CUDA software.
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