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Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
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Posted - 2012.09.21 14:06:00 -
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Raiz Nhell wrote:As a miner who has been "educated" several times...
I wholeheartedly approve of this education/jihad/natural selection...
I have learned not to jet-can I have learned not to aggro I have learned to fit a tank I have learned not to whine when ganked AFK
I have researched and moved and mined, and moved and mined, and moved and mined... I now enjoy the thrill of low-sec and living on highsec islands And as a miner I am thinking about a career move to provide some kinetic education to those of my profession that are stupid.
Those who will not adapt will die... Kill them, kill them all...
You have a square face. I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
13
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Posted - 2012.09.21 16:34:00 -
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Ok, so you killed some miners, fair play
What I don't get is the religious and racial insensitivity, what does that accomplish? You know other than the obvious. |
Kane the Black
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
13
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:06:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:What I don't get is the religious and racial insensitivity, what does that accomplish? You know other than the obvious.
One word: tears. Yarr!! |
Kalchak
Polaris Rising Gentlemen's Agreement
0
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:23:00 -
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As someone who's never really understood the ganker outlook, I would like to ask for clarification...
What is the difference between a carebear waste of space infidel miner, and a miner who works hard to produce essential minerals for ship construction? How do you spot the difference? I generally don't look closely at mining ships, they're a bit like asteroids in that respect, but I assume some of them must be useful, otherwise we'd all be spending our days rubbing pods against one another. |
Ristlin Wakefield
Wanderers of the Eternal Darkness Eternal Pretorian Alliance
87
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Posted - 2012.09.21 17:52:00 -
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Kalchak wrote:As someone who's never really understood the ganker outlook, I would like to ask for clarification...
What is the difference between a carebear waste of space infidel miner, and a miner who works hard to produce essential minerals for ship construction? How do you spot the difference? I generally don't look closely at mining ships, they're a bit like asteroids in that respect, but I assume some of them must be useful, otherwise we'd all be spending our days rubbing pods against one another.
It's like when everyone in jail gangs up on the child molester.
I have a lover, her name is EVE. I see her every night and all she asks in return is that I have a pilot's license. |
Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.09.22 18:59:00 -
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Daemon Ceed wrote:In celebration of the 4th of July, Jihad Squad's fleet of glorious martyr Catalysts descended upon infidel miners in Sinq L. in an effort to finally rid the region of bots and terrible carebears alike. We also hoped to finally receive our 72 virgins. One set of mindless fools we came about were two completely untanked Hulks, mining within 1km of eachother. They were quickly dispatched in hilarious fashion as can be seen here: (right click link, open in new tab) Infidel 1Infidel 2Believing that painting the asteroids with the blood of those who defile them would serve as a good enough warning, we left the area for awhile. Several hours later, after drinking far too much alcohol (we aren't exactly very devout Jihadists) our scout wandered back to look for more targets to hit. And there they were...the two same people in brand new Hulks, 1km from eachother. This time they actually had shield hardeners on at least. Thinking that they might be using something far more sturdy, like faction Invuls, we added one more member of our Mujahideen to the fleet and killed them both...again. Infidel 1Infidel 21 Billion ISK worth of Hulks down the pooper from the same people in a single day. The idiocy was almost as staggering as the profit: 135mil worth of T2 salvage & loot. When miners have to ask why they are hated so much, one only has to look at their behavior. Allahu Akbar Praise George Clooney
Your "Jihad" is pretty much over with the new barge changes. Fly safe!
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Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.09.22 19:05:00 -
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La Nariz wrote:I'd like to note that my sponsorship of ganking fabulous rod's mining ship is still in effect.
Ahhh..... the usual Goon Scam......nice try. Maybe the JIhadists will want to join? |
Kane the Black
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
13
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Posted - 2012.09.22 20:36:00 -
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Taraxon Taranogas wrote:Your "Jihad" is pretty much over with the new barge changes. Fly safe!
I guess you don't check killboards much, do you? Yarr!! |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
244
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Posted - 2012.09.23 03:31:00 -
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Taraxon Taranogas wrote: Your "Jihad" is pretty much over with the new barge changes. Fly safe!
It's not helping... at all. Still WAY to many morons with CARGO RIGGED hulks derping around in highsec. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
171
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Posted - 2012.09.24 21:14:00 -
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I really Really do not understand why even the max yield pilots are still running around with cargo rigs??
Many miners do not realize that a poorly fit exhumer is actually profitable to gank. two fit catalyst are cheap, and when they get concorded the gankers get loot and salvage from the catasysts and the mining ships. exhumers are T2 ships and can make for very valuable salvage. When you run the numbers two of even three cataylsts per exuhmer can be profitable if a decent salvage drops. It is very common for an exhumer to drop 100 mil worth of salvage. Plus several mil in modules. Even with the changes ganking can still be profitable if you do not tank.
The only mining ship that gets even minor benefit from more cargo is the hulk as it goes through more crystals, but it also needs a hauler or ORCA to actually put its slightly higher yield to good use. the hauler/ORCA can hold the extra crystals if needed.
Even if it is a legacy HULK that was fitted before the change. Pull the rigs and put new ones in.
If you want to sacrifice tank for yield you can fit a processor over clocking rig and power grid rig and fit a full rack of MLU still leaving enough CPU/PG for a decent tank.
A mack can fit two MLU and a CPU II in the lows, processor overclocking, and ice mining rig in the rig slots, and still have a +20k ehp tank using shield hardeners and resistance amps. Much more if you use faction mods. Fit for full tank it can easily have over 40,000 ehp. That will not be profitable to gank. |
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Astroniomix
Thorn Project
244
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Posted - 2012.09.24 21:20:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:faction mods Everything before and after this part of your post was good.
Faction mods are a big no-no. Even if they aren't that expensive people will gank you just to get a "faction fit hulk" kill. |
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
171
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Posted - 2012.09.24 21:28:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Bugsy VanHalen wrote:faction mods Everything before and after this part of your post was good. Faction mods are a big no-no. Even if they aren't that expensive people will gank you just to get a "faction fit hulk" kill. True, But if you use the right mods, the ehp bonus can be well worth it.
I'm not talking about the a type small boosters that HULK pilots used to fit to tank null sec rats. but just the cheap resistance mods that can really boost ehp when you are short on CPU/PG.
I guess it is a trade off of more ehp but making a juicer target. |
Ravow
Wormhole-o-tron
13
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Posted - 2012.09.25 14:10:00 -
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I got the chance to gank the same miner three time in the same day.. It was long time ago :)
Some of them are dumb, some are not. We use to do that while gate camping, after about 45 minutes of waiting for ships, we use to switch for trasher fleet and have fun in empire space :) Ganking hulk was more profitable than the normal gatecamping day except those rare freighter ganking day.
I'm with the op with that, ganking miner is fun and we got lot of laught depending of how we kill them or there fit :) |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2012.09.27 09:57:00 -
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Kane the Black wrote:Hiro Ceffoe wrote:What I don't get is the religious and racial insensitivity, what does that accomplish? You know other than the obvious. One word: tears.
Really? what a world we live in huh.
I'm just saying it would probably work better if you used Ammarian religious fanatasism instead of middle east religious fanatasism in a spaceship game set in the future, but whaddo I know I just play the game for fun. |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
244
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Posted - 2012.09.27 16:28:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Kane the Black wrote:Hiro Ceffoe wrote:What I don't get is the religious and racial insensitivity, what does that accomplish? You know other than the obvious. One word: tears. Really? what a world we live in huh. I'm just saying it would probably work better if you used Ammarian religious fanatasism instead of middle east religious fanatasism in a spaceship game set in the future, but whaddo I know I just play the game for fun. Insulting fake internet religion doesn't generate as much of a reaction as insulting a real religion does. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.09.28 00:30:00 -
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we're back here again, again...again.
confirming there are still untanked can mining hulks and covetors. only difference now is i can use my retriever to get close and steal entire cans of ore. beats sitting in a belt for hours any day.
no one suspects the retriever will be an ore thief. mwah ha ha ha!
hmm, too much sugar.. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
25
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Posted - 2012.09.28 11:01:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote: Insulting fake internet religion doesn't generate as much of a reaction as insulting a real religion does.
Oh, se hes actually trying to be insulting to provoke a reaction... on the internet... from someone he doesn't know and probably never will? What, on the off chance his target is middle eastern? Seems like a stretch. Kinda just makes him look like an unimaginative fool to me, but each to there own I suppose.
Well good luck to him and his "trying to be insulting" to a certain ethnic group, I'm sure he will look back on these days of his life with.. great pride... great pride indead :P |
Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.09.28 11:09:00 -
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Bugsy VanHalen wrote:I really Really do not understand why even the max yield pilots are still running around with cargo rigs??
Many miners do not realize that a poorly fit exhumer is actually profitable to gank. two fit catalyst are cheap, and when they get concorded the gankers get loot and salvage from the catasysts and the mining ships. exhumers are T2 ships and can make for very valuable salvage. When you run the numbers two of even three cataylsts per exuhmer can be profitable if a decent salvage drops. It is very common for an exhumer to drop 100 mil worth of salvage. Plus several mil in modules. Even with the changes ganking can still be profitable if you do not tank.
The only mining ship that gets even minor benefit from more cargo is the hulk as it goes through more crystals, but it also needs a hauler or ORCA to actually put its slightly higher yield to good use. the hauler/ORCA can hold the extra crystals if needed.
Even if it is a legacy HULK that was fitted before the change. Pull the rigs and put new ones in.
If you want to sacrifice tank for yield you can fit a processor over clocking rig and power grid rig and fit a full rack of MLU still leaving enough CPU/PG for a decent tank.
A max yield HULK can still get well over 15,000 ehp if fit properly. Not gank proof but much better than it was. At least hard for a solo ganker to take down at a profit.
If you really want max tank a Skiff properly fit for max tank can get over 100,000 ehp. Try ganking that at a profit.
A mack can fit two MLU and a CPU II in the lows, processor overclocking, and ice mining rig in the rig slots, and still have a +20k ehp tank using shield hardeners and resistance amps. Much more if you use faction mods. Fit for full tank it can easily have over 40,000 ehp. That will not be profitable to gank.
Any ship no matter its ehp can be ganked by the right fleet. The idea is to make it so there is no chance of breaking even once they loot and salvage everything. Very few gankers can afford to throw away 50-60 mil every time the gank. But most can afford to keep ganking when dumb miners make it profitable. T2 strip miners are worth quite a bit but nothing compared to the T2 salvage that you will drop. Tank your ship or learn to enjoy being a victim of gankers.
Thi is the best response I've seen yet. Great explanation. I'm not a ganker but now I can see your point.
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Taraxon Taranogas
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
8
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Posted - 2012.09.28 11:10:00 -
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Daichi Yamato wrote:we're back here again, again...again.
confirming there are still untanked can mining hulks and covetors. only difference now is i can use my retriever to get close and steal entire cans of ore. beats sitting in a belt for hours any day.
no one suspects the retriever will be an ore thief. mwah ha ha ha!
hmm, too much sugar..
Very slick...... |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
246
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Posted - 2012.09.28 15:06:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Astroniomix wrote: Insulting fake internet religion doesn't generate as much of a reaction as insulting a real religion does.
Oh, se hes actually trying to be insulting to provoke a reaction... on the internet... from someone he doesn't know and probably never will? What, on the off chance his target is middle eastern? Seems like a stretch. Kinda just makes him look like an unimaginative fool to me, but each to there own I suppose. Well good luck to him and his "trying to be insulting" to a certain ethnic group, I'm sure he will look back on these days of his life with.. great pride... great pride indead :P As your post clearly indicates, his strategy worked. |
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Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
27
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Posted - 2012.09.28 16:04:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:As your post clearly indicates, his strategy worked.
If you say so. :P
Honestly, I find it very puzzling but really interesting, I guess you might say I am a student of this behaviour, I haven't yet met anyone who could explain this behaviour to me, yet it's not uncommon.
T'is Strange indeed |
Astroniomix
Thorn Project
248
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Posted - 2012.09.28 22:47:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Astroniomix wrote:As your post clearly indicates, his strategy worked. If you say so. :P But you bring up yet another interesting point, did it work? I mean I'm assuming you think maybe he annoyed me or something, so let's assume thats true, does it make you feel better? Or him? I mean youd never REALLY now if you annoyed someone over the internet would you? More importantly taking the above into account, does it matter? If you can't really tell wether you legitimately annoyed someone, then why bother doing it at all. Can't you just "pretend" whoever your taking to is annoyed and get the same "feeling"? Perhaps a few placebo posts are in order. The mind boggles. Honestly, I find it very puzzling but really interesting, I guess you might say I am a student of this behaviour, I haven't yet met anyone who could explain this behaviour to me, yet it's not uncommon. You gain nothing, yet pretend you do, all in an enviroment where nobody cares either way, is it just an excersize in futility or does it really make you feel better? And if it makes you feel better is there profit in it for someone to exploit? It generated a reaction. That's all that matters.
Also your posts are getting increasingly longer, so you obviously care. |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
12
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Posted - 2012.09.29 00:06:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Astroniomix wrote:As your post clearly indicates, his strategy worked. If you say so. :P But you bring up yet another interesting point, did it work? I mean I'm assuming you think maybe he annoyed me or something, so let's assume thats true, does it make you feel better? Or him? I mean youd never REALLY now if you annoyed someone over the internet would you? More importantly taking the above into account, does it matter? If you can't really tell wether you legitimately annoyed someone, then why bother doing it at all. Can't you just "pretend" whoever your taking to is annoyed and get the same "feeling"? Perhaps a few placebo posts are in order. The mind boggles. Honestly, I find it very puzzling but really interesting, I guess you might say I am a student of this behaviour, I haven't yet met anyone who could explain this behaviour to me, yet it's not uncommon. You gain nothing, yet pretend you do, all in an enviroment where nobody cares either way, is it just an excersize in futility or does it really make you feel better? And if it makes you feel better is there profit in it for someone to exploit?
theres money in it. and its funny to make ppl who take the game too seriously cry. just look at the german kid playing unreal tournament. thats what miners get like when they are ganked.
plus, this is a pvp game whether peeps like it or not. even miners and traders are in competition with eachother, and i screw my competitors over every chance i get. better get used to it.
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Judo Chopped
GET TO DA CHOPPER
0
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Posted - 2012.09.29 16:48:00 -
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Fabulous Rod wrote:I don't understand, why do ppl hate miners?
Why would people hate miners and not the angry, no-life, butthurt babies who take their frustration out on random ppl to make them feel good about themselves?
I would think it would be more natural to hate those who are so happy about the fact that they got to annoy someone, or pity them at least.
Congealed phlegm > Suicide gankers > Miners
Unfortunately, miners are bottom of the food chain. Having said that... get back to work, so I can buy your stuff! |
Daemon Ceed
Jihad Squad from Riyadh Reckless Ambition
294
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Posted - 2012.09.30 10:53:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Astroniomix wrote:As your post clearly indicates, his strategy worked. If you say so. :P But you bring up yet another interesting point, did it work? I mean I'm assuming you think maybe he annoyed me or something, so let's assume thats true, does it make you feel better? Or him? I mean youd never REALLY now if you annoyed someone over the internet would you? More importantly taking the above into account, does it matter? If you can't really tell wether you legitimately annoyed someone, then why bother doing it at all. Can't you just "pretend" whoever your taking to is annoyed and get the same "feeling"? Perhaps a few placebo posts are in order. The mind boggles. Honestly, I find it very puzzling but really interesting, I guess you might say I am a student of this behaviour, I haven't yet met anyone who could explain this behaviour to me, yet it's not uncommon. You gain nothing, yet pretend you do, all in an enviroment where nobody cares either way, is it just an excersize in futility or does it really make you feel better? And if it makes you feel better is there profit in it for someone to exploit? It generated a reaction. That's all that matters. Also your posts are getting increasingly longer, so you obviously care.
Oh, this is rich. So very very rich. It's obvious I've ruffled your politically correct feathers, otherwise you wouldn't have even bothered to respond in reference to it.
Anyhoo, this thread's longevity is quite impressive indeed. Tonight I'd like to roll out an incentive to donors to our cause. If you donate 10mil or more, we will contract to you the corpse of a miner that we podded/saved from their menial life of mediocracy. To add further value, we'll also attach an Evemail with the in game kill record. This way you can be sure we did our utmost to make your donation matter. The Sandbox = Play however the hell you want. |
lanyaie
538
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Posted - 2012.09.30 18:40:00 -
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We miners are very smart okay? we are smarter then all of you and create your ships without us you'd be living of reprocessed minerals so show some respect! Hay |
Daichi Yamato
Swamp Bucket Swamp Bucket Empire
16
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Posted - 2012.09.30 23:53:00 -
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lanyaie wrote:We miners are very smart okay? we are smarter then all of you and create your ships without us you'd be living of reprocessed minerals so show some respect!
miners that tank and are smart enough to avoid ganking can still make ships. this thread is in honour of those that dont and arent
(in before that was troll and was why it was liked ) |
Lyrrashae
Crushed Ambitions Reckless Ambition
353
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Posted - 2012.10.01 00:42:00 -
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Isses it to be urp-splosion taime naow, pleez?
(EVE is still unplayable for me, and I haz a sad, but forum-tears are always fun!) There is a fine and proper artistry to wielding verbal scalpels, such that the crap-poster you've slashed doesn't even know they've been cut. But verbal bludgeons -- Those are just fun. |
Hiro Ceffoe
State War Academy Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2012.10.01 11:09:00 -
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Astroniomix wrote:Also your posts are getting increasingly longer, so you obviously care.
I care in such a way that is apparently beyond your comprehension :P
Daichi Yamato wrote:thats what miners get like when they are ganked.
Can you prove that blanket statement? |
Kane the Black
Black Dragon Fighting Society The Devil's Tattoo
15
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Posted - 2012.10.01 12:00:00 -
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Hiro Ceffoe wrote:Can you prove that blanket statement?
www.minerbumping.com
A whole blog dedicated to collecting tears of your fellow roid leeches. I know it's through bumping instead of ganking, but the effects are pretty similar as mental patients tend to freak out when you disrupt their online therapy. If you would have gotten out of your asteroid belt a little more, you could've figured this one out yourself. Yarr!! |
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